Re: Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)
 

Doug Dutch is a badass name...

Re: Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)
 

So, John Beck is 29 years old. Just one year younger than Grossman and a year (well, more like four months) older than Campbell.

Would have liked this trade a lot more if he was 26 or something, but those mormon missions will really kill your pro career.

Re: Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;716490]John Beck's 2007 numbers were really, really terrible in any number of ways, but at least his interception rate was respectable.[/quote]

I'm trying to understand the rationale behind the trade. We trade a player that probably wasn't going to make the team for another whose situation would appear to be simular at best. Is the plan for him the PS?

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[quote=Longtimefan;716589]I'm trying to understand the rationale behind the trade. We trade a player that probably wasn't going to make the team for another whose situation would appear to be simular at best. Is the plan for him the PS?[/quote]

I'm thinking, if a guy isn't worthy of a roster spot they wanted to get him out and get another guy in, because why waste time? They don't want Colt -- probably don't want Beck either -- but they've gotta find out.

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[quote=Longtimefan;716589]I'm trying to understand the rationale behind the trade. We trade a player that probably wasn't going to make the team for another whose situation would appear to be simular at best. Is the plan for him the PS?[/quote]I think he has too much accrued time to land on an NFL practice squad.

Beck has a greater than zero chance of being the no. 2 QB this year, which I believe is the rational behind the trade. I'll bet trade talks started between the Ravens and the Redskins on the topic of their CB depth, and that we tried to get a draft pick out of them, but couldn't. Doug Dutch wasn't going to make our team, and Beck wasn't going to make theirs (unless Troy Smith was traded), so the ability to look at John Beck in the preseason seems like a no-brainer.

In all likelyhood, he's going to get released before the season. He'd have to beat out Grossman for a roster spot, and there's enough evidence out there to think that Rex is just better. But with this trade, Shanahan can make the decision for himself.

Re: Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)
 

Bartel is probably the practice squad/emergency QB in all possible outcomes. That's better security than Beck, who is competing with Grossman to make the team.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;716495]How is his arm strength? It seems like the problem with Rex, and Colt atleast was their arm strength and deep ball throws.[/quote]Middling. He was a spread quarterback at BYU, and the Dolphins didn't run a downfield offense when they drafted him.

It's not a limitation or anything, but arm strength rarely is.

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As I stated in the Colt thread, this move is interesting. Shanahan has stated he usually carries only 2 QBs. Although Beck's chance of making the team is not zero, it surely isn't much above 5%. Did they need another arm to throw balls to our 10 WR's?

I think the CB Dutch probably wouldn't have made the team either, but perhaps (?) he had a higher chance of making it.

Then again, Shanahan doesn't seem to play favorites, and if this guy magically impresses and shows the potential that made him a 2nd round pick.. I guess he could beat Rexy. Seriously doubt it. Practice squad as detailed above....

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[quote=ethat001;716610]As I stated in the Colt thread, this move is interesting. Shanahan has stated he usually carries only 2 QBs. Although Beck's chance of making the team is not zero, it surely isn't much above 5%. [B]Did they need another arm to throw balls to our 10 WR's? [/B]

I think the CB Dutch probably wouldn't have made the team either, but perhaps (?) he had a higher chance of making it.

Then again, Shanahan doesn't seem to play favorites, and if this guy magically impresses and shows the potential that made him a 2nd round pick.. I guess he could beat Rexy. Seriously doubt it. Practice squad as detailed above....[/quote]Probably needed to buy more footballs.

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Yeah, he's an arm for camp but I do think he's here for competition for the #3 job. MS has went with only 2 QBs in the past so that's a possibility, but it seems more likely that he'll carry 3.

Re: Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)
 

Beck and Bartel will get most of the playing time in preseason. If Bartel beats Beck out, he probably ends up on the practice squad. Doubt he makes it to the active roster.

If Beck wins out, then it probably means (has to mean) Skins go 3 deep at QB.

If the unforeseen happens, Beck (or Bartel) actually makes it to #2 QB and someone out there needs Grossman in a trade. That scenario I seriously doubt will happen.

Just like Haynesworth though, Colt really has no one to blame but himself

Re: Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)
 

I wish Colt well though

Re: Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)
 

Even if we don't carry 3, he can sit on the practice squad. At the very least, it pushes Rexy a bit.

Re: Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)
 

This is a really nice trade for Doug Dutch, who has a pretty good chance to be the no. 5 CB on a playoff team. In competition with Cary Williams and Travis Fisher for that honor.

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I don't really see the skins keeping 3 QB's unless Beck forces their hand by lighting it up all summer. I think this is most likely about Colt being so bad that it was detrimental to the rest of the offenses development to have him taking snaps. Shanny probably just needed a better camp arm.

Re: Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)
 

You really think we traded for Beck just to release him ? I think not ... They will have 3 QBS on roster for the 2010 season .. #5 - #8 - #9

Re: Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)
 

Who called who did they want a CB or did we want a QB.

Re: Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;716593]I think he has too much accrued time to land on an NFL practice squad.

Beck has a greater than zero chance of being the no. 2 QB this year, which I believe is the rational behind the trade. I'll bet trade talks started between the Ravens and the Redskins on the topic of their CB depth, and that we tried to get a draft pick out of them, but couldn't. Doug Dutch wasn't going to make our team, and Beck wasn't going to make theirs (unless Troy Smith was traded), so the ability to look at John Beck in the preseason seems like a no-brainer.

In all likelyhood, he's going to get released before the season. He'd have to beat out Grossman for a roster spot, and there's enough evidence out there to think that Rex is just better. But with this trade, Shanahan can make the decision for himself.[/quote]

Colt was to some extent a fan favorite. With Grossman entrenched as the #2 QB Shanahan won't have to worry about the fans calling for Colt in the event Grossman has to play and does not do well. Colt threw his worst passes of the summer with Shanahan watching closely.

The Ravens desperately need help in their secondary, Dutch is a far cry from being any form of an answer. Fred Smoot is still out there, maybe they should ring him up.

Re: Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)
 

I think you guys are missing an important point here regarding roster moves this time of the year; if Rex or, God forbid, McNabb goes down you have to bring in a guy that's familiar with the system in a pinch.

So even if Beck doesn't make the squad (ditto J.Galloway), they've spent sufficient time in the system and can get in there on short notice and suit up. I think in cases like this, the coaches are preparing with one eye down the road in the event of untimely injuries.

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[quote=DCtoAZ;716647]You really think we traded for Beck just to release him ? I think not ... They will have 3 QBS on roster for the 2010 season .. #5 - #8 - #9[/quote]

Not to release him but I wouldn't consider him a lock close to a lock make the team. The last time Shanahan carried 3 QB's was when there was a little bit more uncertainty at the position in 2003 when they brought in Jake Plummer. After Plummer proved himself Shanahan started carrying two QB's. In our case McNabb is much more proven at this point then Plummer was during his first year with the Broncos.

With the Beck trade you're basically looking at an exchange that only cost us a CB that was a long shot to make the final roster around the same time you were looking to cut your third or fourth string QB.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;716648]Who called who did they want a CB or did we want a QB.[/quote]

My guess is they called us after Domonique Foxworth got injured

Re: Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)
 

[quote=SOUL-SKINS;716676]My guess is they called us after Domonique Foxworth got injured[/quote]

Plus the guy is kind of a local product. I'm pretty sure that had something to do with them trading for a relative unknown.

Height: 5-11 Weight: 205 Age: 24
Born: 2/15/1986 [B]Hyattsville , MD[/B]
College: Michigan
Experience: 1st season
High School: [B]Gonzaga HS [Washington, DC][/B]

Re: Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)
 

[sarcasm] Let me be the first to say unless Beck starts, we won't win squat. [/sarcasm]

Re: Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;716475]This guy went from high 2nd round pick (4th QB taken after JaMarcus, Quinn, and Kolb) to waived by the Dolphins to traded for Doug Dutch. Yikes![/quote]


Stupid bastards!!!!!!!! They could have just signed Frerotte to be the 3rd stringer til they draft a QB next year or in 2012. Frerotte is probably still better than this Beck. Shit, if Gus is still working out, he would have been better than Brennan.

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[quote=GTripp0012;716594]Bartel is probably the practice squad/emergency QB in all possible outcomes. That's better security than Beck, who is competing with Grossman to make the team.[/quote]

Shit Bartel, Beck, Grossman?????? After Donovan that is what we have to work with? Shit, give me Gus back. You might think I am nuts, but the guy went 8-3 replacing Jackson at Minnesota, and still has something left in the tank probably. You can get him at league minimum also. Not saying have him anything other than QB #3, but damn, he is going to be better than Grossman, Beck, or Bartel. Well, at least better than one or two of these guys.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;716726]Shit Bartel, Beck, Grossman?????? After Donovan that is what we have to work with? Shit, give me Gus back. You might think I am nuts, but the guy went 8-3 replacing Jackson at Minnesota, and still has something left in the tank probably. You can get him at league minimum also. Not saying have him anything other than QB #3, but damn, he is going to be better than Grossman, Beck, or Bartel. Well, at least better than one or two of these guys.[/quote]

Is this rabid obsession all due to your dad and Tulsa?

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[quote=SmootSmack;716727]Is this rabid obsession all due to your dad and Tulsa?[/quote]


Trying to be funny here Smooty. But I hate to say it I might not be that off the mark in reality. Gus isn't the best by far, but I rather have a former Pro Bowl QB that although might not be super, can still manage a game and win. Beck's numbers suck the big one, and Bartel isn't ever going to get higher than #3 on any teams depth chart. Grossman plain sucks. I wouldn't mind seeing Gus as our #3 for a one year deal til we draft another QB to replace him. Honestly now. You are going to tell me you rather have Beck than Gus? Like I said Gus ended his last season being active with a 8-3 record. His stats weren't good, but he did the job with AP. We have LJ, CP, and WP. I think he could win games for us if the unthinkable could happen.

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[quote=SmootSmack;716727]Is this rabid obsession all due to your dad and Tulsa?[/quote]


My dad went to Va Tech and W Va. No connection with Tulsa. And it isn't such a rabid obsession as it is just pure schtick, although I am a Gus fan for sure!!!!! The Cult of Colt is dead, but the legions of Gus fans live on!!!!!

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I like the move. I want John Beck to be successful here in DC. I assure you it has nothing to do with the fact that we share a last name and that I'd love to have a jersey with my name on it without looking as pretentious as I actually am....

Re: Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)
 

I think Gus subconsciously doesn't want another QB wearing #12. :D

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Just got back from Kings Dominion to find that Doug Dutch is no longer with the Redskins. NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! I was going to create a little section for Doug Dutch fans at FedEx and call it the Dutch Oven.

Re: Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;716746]I think Gus subconsciously doesn't want another QB wearing #12. :D[/quote]

Definitely not!!!!!!! That would be a total sacrilege!!!!!!

Re: Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)
 

[quote=Warren85Ellard;716747]Just got back from Kings Dominion to find that Doug Dutch is no longer with the Redskins. NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! I was going to create a little section for Doug Dutch fans at FedEx and call it the Dutch Oven.[/quote]

it's cool.. the new party decks will be renamed to the Beck Decks.. fitting that they're facing the end zones!

Re: Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)
 

[quote=Gmanc711;716470]Why exactly?

Not trying to hate on John Beck or anything, but I don't really get the reason behind the trade. Does he have ties to anyone on the staff?[/quote]

I read that Brennan said that Kyle tried to get Beck before and couldn't.
So it appears that Kyle has always like Beck.
Btw Beck's ball velocity was tested higher then Joe Flacco's.
So dude has a strong arm.
I have a hunch that Beck makes the squad as a developmental QB.

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Thought this was ironic.

2006 Season Stats: Other than Colt Brennan, perhaps no signal-caller in college football had as good of a season as John Beck. In terms of pure statistics, he is nearly unmatched. He

ranked second in the country to Hawaii's Colt Brennan in passing efficiency with a rating of 169.1. Beck ranked in the top five quarterbacks in the NCAA in nearly every major offensive category: points responsible for(19 ppg.), total passing yardage(3,885 yards), and passing yards per game(323.75 ypg.). That is not even mentioning Beck tossed an eye gouging touchdown to interception ratio(32 touchdowns: 8 interceptions) and a hair-raising completion percentage of 69.3 percent.

Re: Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)
 

all of that at the challenging BYU

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[quote=tryfuhl;716763]all of that at the challenging BYU[/quote]

You're dense if you think that BYU is an easy school to play at. Between the honor code that bans sex and alcohol to the two year morman mission in a third world country, it's a wonder anyone makes it out alive :D

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[quote=Dirtbag359;716762]Thought this was ironic.

2006 Season Stats: Other than Colt Brennan, perhaps no signal-caller in college football had as good of a season as John Beck. In terms of pure statistics, he is nearly unmatched. He

ranked second in the country to Hawaii's Colt Brennan in passing efficiency with a rating of 169.1. Beck ranked in the top five quarterbacks in the NCAA in nearly every major offensive category: points responsible for(19 ppg.), total passing yardage(3,885 yards), and passing yards per game(323.75 ypg.). That is not even mentioning Beck tossed an eye gouging touchdown to interception ratio(32 touchdowns: 8 interceptions) and a hair-raising completion percentage of 69.3 percent.[/quote]

You ought to check out of his scouting reports. Eerily similar to Colt
[url=http://www.warroomreport.com/draft/rankings/qb/beck.htm]John Beck Scouting Report[/url]

[quote]Strengths:
John Beck has a [B]quick release [/B]and is efficient in a [B]short passing attack[/B]. Beck has adequate arm strength and is a good character person.
Weaknesses:
Beck has an a[B]wkward release, including a low release point at times.[/B] He comes from a [B]shotgun based spread passing offense in college [/B]and will be[B] forced to adapt to making more vertical NFL throws[/B]. He is [B]older than the typical prospect at age 25[/B].
Overall:
Beck has been effective at BYU, but will have a hard time being anything more then a backup at the next level. He is not the athlete many teams are seeking at quarterback and his age is a concern. He is good at making quick decisions and has acceptable arm strength.[/quote]

[url=http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=1146]John Beck Scouting Report - 2007 NFL Draft Prospect[/url]
[quote]2007 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:
person
John Beck, QB, BYU
John Beck looks to be a top 10 QB, perhaps going as early as the third round, but more realistically probably fourth or even fifth round. His age (at 25) is a concern, as well as being a product of the BYU system that typically plays weaker teams. His arm strength is average, but his strengths include his accuracy and great decision-making ability, thus avoiding turnovers. He also has a pretty quick release and a good presence in the pocket. His height is average for a QB, but is shorter than the premier QBs in this year's draft (Quinn is 6'4 and Russell is 6'6). [/quote]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;716764]You're dense if you think that BYU is an easy school to play at. Between the honor code that bans sex and alcohol to the two year [b]morman[/b] mission in a third world country, it's a wonder anyone makes it out alive :D[/quote]

at least spelling isn't an issue

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[quote=tryfuhl;716768]at least spelling isn't an issue[/quote]

Maybe he meant Merman...

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