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Matty if this were his first time trying to shake the injury bug I would have no problems. Right now I want them to hold him down and give him the needle. Some cortisone ought to do the trick.

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If he can't get on the field you just cut him loose. But forcing the issue doesn't do anyone any favors.

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[quote=Mattyk;720827]If he can't get on the field you just cut him loose. But forcing the issue doesn't do anyone any favors.[/quote]

I'm game, then we can stop talking about it. Until that happens though he is the only player not participating and it is going to draw attention.

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Don't forget Mike Furrey! What do you mean draw attention? Everyone knows about it.

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I think Kelly makes the team still.

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[quote=tryfuhl;720838]Don't forget Mike Furrey! What do you mean draw attention? Everyone knows about it.[/quote]

Yeah, we are going to have a conversation about Mike Furrey's inability to participate.

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[quote=Angry;720842]Yeah, we are going to have a conversation about Mike Furrey's inability to participate.[/quote]

haha

might as well cut him now IMO

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[quote=tryfuhl;720848]haha

might as well cut him now IMO[/quote]

I agree, I didn't like that we brought him in in the first place.

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[quote=GMScud;720714]Preseason game #3 vs. the Jets when the starters will play a lot of the game... now that will be a serious test. Especially for our offense. Their D is lights out, even without Revis. I'd love to cram a win down Rex Ryan's big fat pie hole.[/quote]

I agree, the Jets are without a doubt our most formidable opponent in the preseason.

What [IMO] was one of the most encouraging signs in the game against the Bills was the ability to sustain offense. There were at least two scoring drives covering 70yds. or more, something we haven't been accustomed too seeing around here in a while.

So yeah! the Jets defense presents a real challenge and will surely test our ability to sustain offense. Should be a good match-up.

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Although I think Hall isn't worth the $ and he's probably an average cover corner, he still is our best play maker in the secondary. I don't think I've seen him ever drop an Int. Dude has great hands.

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Saden1, I agree with you on all counts except that I did have confidence in K.Shanahan. He's a proven commodity. He proved himself in Houston. My concern was would his pass happy offense gel with his fathers run happy offense? I was worried we would end up with the Gibb2/Saunders failed expierment. Although Gibbs used a man to man blocking style and Saunders used zone I believe. So knowing both Shanahan's used zone blocking probably wouldn't be as big a deal. It seemed to work out fine.

[B]Pluses:[/B]
Finally an offensive scheme.
2 QB's capable of leading the offense.
Better protection from the OL.
WR's who seemed to know what they were doing.
No major injuries.

[B]Minuses:[/B]
We played the Bills.
1st team defense needs tweeking. (better push off the line)
1st team offense needs tweeking. (dirt balls, over throws, redzone running)
special teams blocking.

We played the Bills folks. Lets see what we have after Sat. when we play a play off team from last yr. Defense- did Kemo play? was he not getting a good enough push off the line? It would be nice to have him and AH to switch out often since AH gets tired quickly. I'm sure the offensive issues will get corrected by game 1. Special Teams.... what can I say, I'm not a fan of our position coach there. I'd like to have seen him fired also but it is what it is. It did look somewhat different though. the KR was not catching the ball with the opposing team in his face all the time.

People are quick to praise Banks and then say he needs to work on his holding on to the ball. I saw his muff but he did recover and tried to make a play. Didn't Thomas do the same thing on the first kick off to us? or was that someone else? In a nut shell they looked 99% better then .... well .... almost 20 yrs. To me that is. I guess we will be better able to critique them after Sat. game but everything looked better. Scheme, routes, play calls, runs, passes, blocking, defensive pass rush, LB's, interception, KR. Maybe it's just me and a whole new start from top to bottom but they did remind me of Skins of old. Say Gibbs1. Even though they seemed to throw many plays out there I just get the feeling there was a lot held back still. I've always like Shanahan's thought process..... "this is my scheme, it's a great scheme, I have many weapons, I'll show you my plays, you just have to find a way to stop it."

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[quote=SBXVII;720869]Saden1, I agree with you on all counts except that I did have confidence in K.Shanahan. He's a proven commodity. He proved himself in Houston. My concern was would his pass happy offense gel with his fathers run happy offense? I was worried we would end up with the Gibb2/Saunders failed expierment. Although Gibbs used a man to man blocking style and Saunders used zone I believe. So knowing both Shanahan's used zone blocking probably wouldn't be as big a deal. It seemed to work out fine.[/quote]

I think for the most part this is Kyle Shanahan's offense we're seeing. I'm sure Mike has some input, but this is Kyle's show.

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For the first preseason game I was pretty happy with the way we played across the board. I actually think its good for players to make mistakes in preseason because they can learn from them. I do get mad at lazy uninspired play which I did not see Friday night.

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Plus:

London Fletcher: So glad I was wrong about going after him. It's like he's been playing ILB in the 3-4 his whole career. Very lucky to have him on our team

Ryan Torain: He runs too high? So did Eric Dickerson. Anyhow, happy to see him run well, otherwise all my praise of him would have been for naught. More importantly though, nice to see him back on the field less than two years after tearing his ACL.

Minus:

Chad Rinehart: So sad I was wrong about drafting him. Maybe he's just not totally healthy yet, but while everyone talks about cutting Kelly and whether he was a busted draft pick; I'm more concerned with Rinehart. Not sure there's a place for him on this roster

Maake: Didn't seem to get much penetration at DT. He takes up space, but wasn't much of a difference maker

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[quote=Angry;720849]I agree, I didn't like that we brought him in in the first place.[/quote]

why? he didn't keep any young studs from getting signed

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[quote=Mattyk;720877]I think for the most part this is Kyle Shanahan's offense we're seeing. I'm sure Mike has some input, but this is Kyle's show.[/quote]

There are a lot of similarities to Denver's offense though...moving the QB out of the pocket and having receivers (including TE) at various depths right in front of the QB. Also, the pulling linemen and straight-ahead running game.

Not surprising if Kyle's system mirrors his father's though. But you're right, Kyle is calling the shots...even if he learned from his father.

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[quote=Buster;720898]There are a lot of similarities to Denver's offense though...moving the QB out of the pocket and having receivers (including TE) at various depths right in front of the QB. Also, the pulling linemen and straight-ahead running game.

Not surprising if Kyle's system mirrors his father's though. But you're right, Kyle is calling the shots...even if he learned from his father.[/quote]

Oh yeah no doubt there are similarities. I was just making the point there's no melding of systems like we saw with Gibbs/Saunders or Zorn's passing game mixed with Gibbs' running game.

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[quote=SmootSmack;720890]Plus:

London Fletcher: So glad I was wrong about going after him. It's like he's been playing ILB in the 3-4 his whole career. Very lucky to have him on our team

Ryan Torain: He runs too high? So did Eric Dickerson. Anyhow, happy to see him run well, otherwise all my praise of him would have been for naught. More importantly though, nice to see him back on the field less than two years after tearing his ACL.

Minus:

Chad Rinehart: So sad I was wrong about drafting him. Maybe he's just not totally healthy yet, but while everyone talks about cutting Kelly and whether he was a busted draft pick; I'm more concerned with Rinehart. Not sure there's a place for him on this roster

[B]Maake: Didn't seem to get much penetration at DT. He takes up space, but wasn't much of a difference maker[/B][/quote]

Taking up space is pretty much his job though. If he's penetrating much at NT, something's not right.

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[quote=Mattyk;720900]Oh yeah no doubt there are similarities. I was just making the point there's no melding of systems like we saw with Gibbs/Saunders or Zorn's passing game mixed with Gibbs' running game.[/quote]

Funny how HC's can come from the same coaching tree and yet have totally different looking styles. I so bad want to know which offense McNabb likes batter this one or his old Eagles. I know the answer would be politically correct though and he most likely would say this one.

I look at Reids scheme and it looks old and tired and slow sometimes. It almost does not look like anything that came out of San Fran. I look at Holmgrens and it too looks slow sometimes but at times with the Seahawks it looked similar to Shanahan's which looks fast to me. I remember yrs ago people talking about the WCO supposed to be fast and needing smaller OL to get it done. Reid loves his big fat slow lineman.

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[quote=diehard;720713]What I saw from RG Rinehart (#77) was solid. Maybe you've mistaken for RT Oldenburg (#68).[/quote]
He was getting blown up almost every play and he gave up two sacks.

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Kelly won't practice tomorrow.. chances "very very slim" that he plays against Ravens

"Obviously, if he can't practice, he can't show me anything"

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[quote=tryfuhl;720912]Kelly won't practice tomorrow.. chances "very very slim" that he plays against Ravens

"Obviously, if he can't practice, he can't show me anything"[/quote]

I feel kinda bad for the guy. He seems like a good kid but his body just keeps letting him down.

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[quote=tryfuhl;720897]why? he didn't keep any young studs from getting signed[/quote]

He just seemed like unnecessary camp fodderthat was keeping younger guys from getting snaps. In retrospect Kelly is doing that all by himself.

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[quote=Mattyk;720902]Taking up space is pretty much his job though. If he's penetrating much at NT, something's not right.[/quote]

To clarify, meant he takes up space as in he was just there. But I didn't really notice him either penetrating or helping others (a la Haynesworth and Perry Riley). I also saw him get pushed back a bit. Overall, not totally impressed. Still early though

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[quote=SmootSmack;720890]Plus:

London Fletcher: So glad I was wrong about going after him. It's like he's been playing ILB in the 3-4 his whole career. Very lucky to have him on our team

Ryan Torain: He runs too high? So did Eric Dickerson. Anyhow, happy to see him run well, otherwise all my praise of him would have been for naught. More importantly though, nice to see him back on the field less than two years after tearing his ACL.

Minus:

Chad Rinehart: So sad I was wrong about drafting him. Maybe he's just not totally healthy yet, but while everyone talks about cutting Kelly and whether he was a busted draft pick; I'm more concerned with Rinehart. Not sure there's a place for him on this roster

Maake: Didn't seem to get much penetration at DT. He takes up space, but wasn't much of a difference maker[/quote]

SS.... Who is the player Fletcher is referring too?

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[quote=Longtimefan;720926]SS.... Who is the player Fletcher is referring too?[/quote]

What?

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[quote=SmootSmack;720928]What?[/quote]

The first line of your post sounds like a quote from London Fletcher, I'm curious as to what player he was talking about.

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[quote=SmootSmack;720928]What?[/quote]

I've come to the conclusion this was your very own quote. Sorry for the misunderstanding what you intended. I just never remember you having any form of opposition to Fletcher.

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Biggest two minuses:

It was the preseason
It was the bills

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Hi everyone...1st post here.

Pluses: Loved how we were able to score TD's in the redzone on the 1st and 2nd teams...
Tackling seems to be much better than last season already...
O-line played exceptional compared to last season....
Not committing turnovers...Keep it up guys!

Minuses: Seems some players were hesitant on what they were supposed to do on Defense such as A.Carter. They were reacting to the offense instead of Attacking,like this Defense is designed to do....
Did not like that Rookie getting 5 steps or more on Carlos Rogers on that deep incomplete pass. He does that against Dallas,Colts or teams with very good QB's and so on and it's 6....Carlos has and always has scared me back there,but Hall played very well....
I have no Minuses for the Offense. It was like watching the Colts in a Redskins uniform compared to the last 4 or 5 years imo...

[B]BTW...Glad to be here guys and look forward to having great discussions and debates with my fellow Redskins fans.[/B]

ace

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Welcome to the board Ace!

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Welcome.

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[quote=SBXVII;720907]I so bad want to know which offense McNabb likes batter this one or his old Eagles. I know the answer would be politically correct though and [B]he most likely would say this one. [/B][/quote]A good running game is a QBs best friend, I'm confident McNabb likes this offense better than Reid's

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Absolutely, not having a 70%-30% split with the majority of the offense's success on his shoulders should be a welcome change of pace for McNabb.

I think he'll be more efficient in this offense.

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Not to mention he will have 2 very good outlets at TE,which is a very rare luxury.
A good TE is a QB's best friend. McNabb will have 2 of them,which makes this team VERY dangerous imo...

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[quote=murphy196;720711]Seriously? You didn't think Kyle would know what he was doing? The guy was the O coordinator of one of the best offenses last year! He is arguably a top 5 O coordinator.[/quote]

Success with the Texans doesn't guarantee success with the Redskins. I think he will do just fine and is the real deal but at the same time I have that "it's too good to be true" feeling.

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[quote=skinsfan69;720914]I feel kinda bad for the guy. He seems like a good kid but his body just keeps letting him down.[/quote]


Certain factors make a hamstring injury more likely. Age, weight, flexibility and bad running stride can all cause a hamstring injury. Previous hamstring injuries make another occurrence highly likely as well. [B]Performing explosive movements when your muscles are not prepared[/B] can rupture the muscle fibers and cause a major hamstring injury.
To some extent this injury occurs due to poor flexibilty training and poor warm up practices. To some extent this is a preventable injury, especially if you have a history of this injury, you should be prepared.
Regardless how 'Great his hands are' and all of his other 'awesome' strengths (which I have not seen), if his body fails him this much at his young age, maybe being a professional athlete is not in his future.
It is not in our best interest to have a WR on our roster that has this chronic problem.
To some extent this is lack of preparation.

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[quote=12thMan;720839]I think Kelly makes the team still.[/quote]


You might be right I think if the FO didn't think he had something to offer they would of cut him already.

HTTR.

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Well, also, when you look at it Kelly is the biggest receiver we have on the team and many believe that, when healthy, he probably has the best hands on the team.

Even if Joey Galloway makes the team this year, you'd have to think next year he probably doesn't and how many more years do we keep a Santana Moss; two or three? So we'd be right back at square one trying to fill out the roster at that spot. I think Kelly is more about the next two years than just this season.

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If he can get back healthy within another week or so I think Kelly is making the team.