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[quote=Hog1;729773]what is the question?[/quote]

"it was just a small violent faction of Americans responsible and not the majority who are peace loving?"

you previous statement about shouldnt muslim understand its not a true representation of our country. Im saying their is misrepresentation here at home as well of muslims abroad.

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[quote=firstdown;729777]So your saying that Bush did not ask the press to hold stories for safty reasons that they ran anyways?[/quote]

Actually no, what I am saying is that I believe that you actually don't believe the crazy shit that you post on the boards. That you have a reputation as a crazy right winger to live up to and that's why you write what you write.

There's no way in hell you can read what I just wrote and infer that I must be some kind of Bush/Obama/anybody else in politics lover. I don't even mention them. They have nothing to do with this post, or this thread, for that matter.

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[quote=Hog1;729780]Got it.
I think you can probably look for more of it, and it's hard for me to believe that was not a consideration to those that contrived the notion to build it there. Kind of surprising.........[/quote]

Comes with the territory I guess. Would it really matter where they built it though? It's not like anti-Muslim sentiment is something new in this country post 9/11.

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[quote=Mattyk;729791]Comes with the territory I guess. Would it really matter where they built it though? It's not like anti-Muslim sentiment is something new in this country post 9/11.[/quote]

I don't think it would be as popularized in........Rancho Cucamonga, rather than 9/11ville

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[quote=DynamiteRave;729739]Probably because the majority of Muslims are peaceful and denounce the those who practice radical forms of Islam like those who acted in 9/11. :doh:

[B]I can't wait till people start burning the Bible again[/B].[/quote

Didn't know they stopped.

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[quote=Hog1;729799]I don't think it would be as popularized in........Rancho Cucamonga, rather than 9/11ville[/quote]

No doubt.

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[quote=mooby;729788]Actually no, what I am saying is that I believe that you actually don't believe the crazy shit that you post on the boards. That you have a reputation as a crazy right winger to live up to and that's why you write what you write.

There's no way in hell you can read what I just wrote and infer that I must be some kind of Bush/Obama/anybody else in politics lover. I don't even mention them. They have nothing to do with this post, or this thread, for that matter.[/quote]

I sure did believe that post. For the recored I'm pretty liberal about some things, conservative when it comes to raising children (well my children) and conservative with most social issues. Even though I'm conservative I'm not a bible thumper and also have a problem with allot of them. I actually do think this guy is crazy but I find the reaction to him some what amusing.

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[quote=Hog1;729751]Well, I am not generally an advocate of such things but if we did, would muslims then conclude that it was just a small violent faction of Americans responsible and not the majority who are peace loving?[/quote]


Are we talking rouge American terrorist militiamen attacking Mecca? They shouldn't get mad at all Americans but at the very least they should be able to invade the states where these men came from.

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dont american citizens who view the koran as vile and hate filled have a right to express their feelings? in america?

while their feelings might be misguided to seemingly most of us here (their disdain towards minority extreme militants colors thier overly broad disdain for all islams) dont they have a right to express their feelings in a civil and organized manner?

the 1st amendment, freedom of speech and expression in this country wasnt put in place to protect the right of americans to say "yahoo for the US!" but to protect the rights and viewpoints of the fringe minority groups to organize and express themselves in a civil manner.

i think when the SC looks at what is protected speech vs hate speech they look towards, in part, the intent of the speaker. thats to say, the court wont block someone from saying something only based upon another persons unreasonable reaction.

if i burn the koran for the purpose of symbolizing my dislike for its teachings and not to incite a riot or jihad, i feel like i have that right in america. the fact that a group of people might be hyper-sensitive to my act shouldnt allow the courts or gov't to preclude me from doing so.

to decide what is and what isnt protected speech based upon others hyper-sensitive reactions would leave a mute world.

idk thoo i spent most of my time smoking tie stick and bowling at the ROTC. i dont really remember much.

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[quote=firstdown;729801][quote=DynamiteRave;729739]Probably because the majority of Muslims are peaceful and denounce the those who practice radical forms of Islam like those who acted in 9/11. :doh:

[B]I can't wait till people start burning the Bible again[/B].[/quote

Didn't know they stopped.[/quote]

Oh oh, here's what I meant; I can't wait till people start publicly gathering people together to burn the Bible again in the name of Christianity being a bunch of horse poo because Christianity is a dangerous religion with dangerous people. There we go. :)

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[quote=over the mountain;729822]dont american citizens who view the koran as vile and hate filled have a right to express their feelings? in america?

while their feelings might be misguided to seemingly most of us here (their disdain towards minority extreme militants colors thier overly broad disdain for all islams) dont they have a right to express their feelings in a civil and organized manner?

the 1st amendment, freedom of speech and expression in this country wasnt put in place to protect the right of americans to say "yahoo for the US!" but to protect the rights and viewpoints of the fringe minority groups to organize and express themselves in a civil manner.

i think when the SC looks at what is protected speech vs hate speech they look towards, in part, the intent of the speaker. thats to say, the court wont block someone from saying something only based upon another persons unreasonable reaction.

if i burn the koran for the purpose of symbolizing my dislike for its teachings and not to incite a riot or jihad, i feel like i have that right in america. the fact that a group of people might be hyper-sensitive to my act shouldnt allow the courts or gov't to preclude me from doing so.

to decide what is and what isnt protected speech based upon others hyper-sensitive reactions would leave a mute world.

idk thoo i spent most of my time smoking tie stick and bowling at the ROTC. i dont really remember much.[/quote]

I don't think anyone here is arguing whether or not they have a right to, they certainly do. But the fact that they are doing it in the name of Islam being bad and showing their disdain for radical Muslims, they fail to see that they just come off looking like a bunch of stupid radical Christians.

But I read an article about this on Yahoo News and a user comment on there said it best: "If radical Christians want to piss off radical Muslims, why intervene? Let them wipe each other off the face of the earth so regular people can have some peace and quiet."

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[quote=DynamiteRave;729753]Of course not right off hand but I don't think anyone was extremely comfortable with Islam for a good time after 9/11 happened. But it helps that a lot of building bridges and investigation went on after that. I mean the whole, "you hurt me, so I'm gonna hurt you back" thing is so Neanderthal, especially after so much work has been done to get Americans and Muslims to come to terms and understand what happened in terms of 9/11.[/quote]
Neanderthal or no, what terms would you suggest for dealing with radical sons if islam?
AND they do themselves NO good service in building a Mosque near the 9/11 site. No good can come of that. AND they knew that in advance but are trying to do it anyway. You have to be responsible for your own actions......even stupid ones. If they look to assimilate in a meaningful, peaceful way that contributes positively to society.....this isn't it

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p.s. this thread needs a TTE sighting right about now... Politics threads have been eerily quiet lately..

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BTW.......it's [B][U]Quran[/U][/B]
not Koran as in Korea

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[quote=DynamiteRave;729824]I don't think anyone here is arguing whether or not they have a right to, they certainly do. But the fact that they are doing it in the name of Islam being bad and showing their disdain for radical Muslims, [B]they fail to see that they just come off looking like a bunch of stupid radical Christians.[/B]

But I read an article about this on Yahoo News and a user comment on there said it best: "If radical Christians want to piss off radical Muslims, why intervene? Let them wipe each other off the face of the earth so regular people can have some peace and quiet."[/quote]

That's the sad irony. They are acting like the Taliban to show how much they hate the Taliban.

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[quote=Hog1;729828]Neanderthal or no, what terms would you suggest for dealing with radical sons if islam?
AND they do themselves NO good service in building a Mosque near the 9/11 site. No good can come of that. AND they knew that in advance but are trying to do it anyway. You have to be responsible for your own actions......even stupid ones. If they look to assimilate in a meaningful, peaceful way that contributes positively to society.....this isn't it[/quote]

I'm not saying building a Mosque near the 9/11 site is in a good taste but just like Over said about the Koran burning, they certainly have the right to do so. Albeit wrong or right. And you have no idea what those people building in Mosque have in store in terms of "good service". They might surprise the community and actually do some charitable work towards NYC.

Or they could just be a sleeper cell like everyone expects them to be. Whatever. *Shrugs*

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[quote=saden1;729817]Are we talk rouge American terrorist militiamen attacking Mecca? They shouldn't get mad at all Americans but at the very least they should be able to invade the states where these men came from.[/quote]

They could.....try
AND you can rest assured, if "they" were a big enough dog, they would. And maybe they are. They are good at that sort of thing........

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[quote=Hog1;729835]They could.....try
AND you can rest assured, if "they" were a big enough dog, they would. And maybe they are. They are good at that sort of thing........[/quote]


You don't have to be top dog to do damage....No men are more dangerous than those who have nothing to lose.

[quote]
To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.

-Sun Tzu[/quote]

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It's a community center with a prayer room, not a mosque. And the way some people talk you'd think a theme park reenacting planes flying into buildings was being built. Not sure I'll ever understand the connection between building this center and burning a holy book.

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:)[quote=DynamiteRave;729823][quote=firstdown;729801]

Oh oh, here's what I meant; I can't wait till people start publicly gathering people together to burn the Bible again in the name of Christianity being a bunch of horse poo because Christianity is a dangerous religion with dangerous people. There we go. :)[/quote]

Rave not sure why you think I would care because I have not been to church in 10 or so years. Last time i was asked if I wanted to go to heven I was in a bar and asked the guy to point her out.

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[quote=saden1;729842]You don't have to be top dog to do damage....No men are more dangerous than those who have nothing to lose.[/quote]

...supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.
I'm good with that, what's your plan?

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[quote=SmootSmack;729845]It's a community center with a prayer room, not a mosque. [B]And the way some people talk you'd think a theme park reenacting planes flying into buildings was being built.[/B] Not sure I'll ever understand the connection between building this center and burning a holy book.[/quote]

The image of that is pretty funny, actually.
Not sure about the book burning thing as well. No good can come from that.
If they had any concern for what anyone else really thought....especially with the NATIONWIDE blow up over the issue, they would be better served building their.....reading room, library, community center, munitions laboratory...elsewhere.
It seems being a good neighbor is not part of the equation, or at least concern for what their neighbors think?

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The problem is that the Mosque also represents the other bad half that we are still fighting. When its built there will be some celebrating the fact that this Mosque was built where it is and I think we don't need that. I also think that some of the donations will come from groups that hate us and would love to see the Mosque built. Why take the risk because if that happened it could get real ugly.

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[quote=Hog1;729851]...supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.
I'm good with that, what's your plan?[/quote]

I'd start with opening a genuine dialog with people and stop supporting tyrannical/dictatorial regimes. Everyone already knows about the stick in my hand, I just need to show them I got a carrot in the other hand too.

First thing is first though, I got to get the keys to this country. Vote for me!

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[quote=saden1;729877]I'd start with opening a genuine dialog with people and stop supporting tyrannical/dictatorial regimes. Everyone already knows about my stick in my hand, I just need to show them I got a carrot in the other hand too.

First thing is first though, I got to get the keys to this country. Vote for me![/quote]


Hmmmm..........Lord Saden1???

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[quote=saden1;729842]You don't have to be top dog to do damage....No men are more dangerous than those who have nothing to lose.[/quote]
And men who believe they gain heaven by violent acts are even more dangerous than those with nothing to lose.

Great Sun Tzu quote BTW. Problem with the Sun Tzu view in the case of battling fundamentalist Islam is that you cannot break this enemy's "resistance" because it consists of a religious obligation to either kill or subjugate all non-Muslims.

To be clear, I am not stating that all Muslims believe this. There are many peaceful Muslims who reject the fundamentalist ideology just as many mainline Christians reject radical Christian beliefs (burning Qurans, murdering abortion doctors, protesting at soldiers funerals, etc.). However, the problem worldwide is that there's a significant percentage of Muslims who follow the fundamentalist ideology.

The burning of the Quran is wrong and shouldn't be done, it's disrespectful to all Muslims. The same as buring Bibles is disrespectful to Christians. This display will accomplish nothing positive. However, as U.S. citizens (of all faiths) we have to either support the 1st Ammendment or not, no matter how deplorable the speech may be. I'm sickened by the thought of a picture of a crucifix in a bottle of urine being on display as art (and the NEA paying for it), I'm disgusted and angered at a U.S. flag being burned, I'm disgusted and angered if a Bible was burned. But I won't threaten, or attempt murder on those who do such things. If any violence comes to the DWOC people, it needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law as a hate crime.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;729882]And men who believe they gain heaven by violent acts are even more dangerous than those with nothing to lose.

Great Sun Tzu quote BTW. Problem with the Sun Tzu view in the case of battling fundamentalist Islam is that you cannot break this enemy's "resistance" because it consists of a religious obligation to either kill or subjugate all non-Muslims.

To be clear, I am not stating that all Muslims believe this. There are many peaceful Muslims who reject the fundamentalist ideology just as [B]many mainline Christians[/B] reject radical Christian beliefs (burning Qurans, murdering abortion doctors, protesting at soldiers funerals, etc.). However, the problem worldwide is that there's a [B]significant percentage of Muslims[/B] who follow the fundamentalist ideology.

The burning of the Quran is wrong and shouldn't be done, it's disrespectful to all Muslims. The same as buring Bibles is disrespectful to Christians. This display will accomplish nothing positive. However, as U.S. citizens (of all faiths) we have to either support the 1st Ammendment or not, no matter how deplorable the speech may be. I'm sickened by the thought of a picture of a crucifix in a bottle of urine being on display as art (and the NEA paying for it), I'm disgusted and angered at a U.S. flag being burned, I'm disgusted and angered if a Bible was burned. But I won't threaten, or attempt murder on those who do such things. If any violence comes to the DWOC people, it needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law as a hate crime.[/quote]

Yes, men who think they're heaven bound if they blow themselves up in the name of Islam are the most dangerous. The question is whether there is anything you can do to deter such thought without military action?


Quantify significant percentage of Muslims and many mainline Christians.

You will see Muslims burn the American flag in displeasure but you will never ever see them burn the Bible.

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[quote=Hog1;729879]Hmmmm..........Lord Saden1???[/quote]

Come on, think big, think First Emperor of the United States of America!

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[quote=saden1;729887]Come on, think big, think First Emperor of the United States of America![/quote]

You must have Obama and Nancy Pelosi working with you in the shadows.

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[quote=saden1;729885]

You will see Muslims burn the American flag in displeasure but you will never ever see them burn the Bible.[/quote]

Instead they just cheered when the twin towers fell. They won't burn the bible because the bible is not their enemy / infidels.
I personally think burning the books are dumb. Think about it, what is the highest sold book of all time...the bible. If you burn say 100,000 of them, guess what, someone will make more. Same can be said for the Koran. Burn them, and they will make more. So there is no real point. How about redirect that anger and decide to do something about the mosque at ground zero. All they have to do is declare it a national monument, or somewhere of historical significance, and poof, they can't build there. (they CAN do this since landing gear from the plane landed on that spot.)
That being said...while I think burning the books are dumb, I say have at it. If that's what they want to do, so be it. Of course, I do believe for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction...so I wouldn't want to be those people. At least someone is standing up and trying to do SOMETHING about the fact that America keeps taking it in the ass from radical islamic culture. Just wish they could pick a better way.

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[quote=jsarno;729892]Instead they just cheered when the twin towers fell. T[B]hey won't burn the bible because the bible is not their enemy / infidels.[/B]
I personally think burning the books are dumb. Think about it, what is the highest sold book of all time...the bible. If you burn say 100,000 of them, guess what, someone will make more. Same can be said for the Koran. Burn them, and they will make more. So there is no real point. How about redirect that anger and decide to do something about the mosque at ground zero. [B]All they have to do is declare it a national monument, or somewhere of historical significance, and poof, they can't build there.[/B] (they CAN do this since landing gear from the plane landed on that spot.)
That being said...while I think burning the books are dumb, I say have at it. If that's what they want to do, so be it. Of course, I do believe for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction...so I wouldn't want to be those people. At least someone is standing up and trying to do SOMETHING about the fact that America keeps taking it in the ass from radical islamic culture. Just wish they could pick a better way.[/quote]


Nah, they believe it is a sacred yet outdated text that warrants respect.

You've been listening to Newt Gingrich haven't you? Good luck making it a National Battlefield Memorial with so many people with vested interest in the land. Better have some serious cash if you want that land. I love it when small government proponents become big government advocates.

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[quote=saden1;729899]Nah, they believe it is a sacred yet outdated text that warrants respect.

You've been listening to Newt Gingrich haven't you? Good luck making it a National Battlefield Memorial with so many people with vested interest in the land. Better have some serious cash if you want that land. I love it when small government proponents become big government advocates.[/quote]

No I haven't. Just pointing out their anger could be put to better use.

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[quote=saden1;729885]Yes, men who think they're heaven bound if they blow themselves up in the name of Islam are the most dangerous. The question is whether there is anything you can do to deter such thought without military action?


Quantify significant percentage of Muslims and many mainline Christians.

You will see Muslims burn the American flag in displeasure but [B]you will never ever see them burn the Bible[/B].[/quote]Mainline Christians - based on numbers of overall Christians vs. those who commit the type of acts mentioned and giving an overly high estimate for those who support those acts. 90% + of Mainline Christians do not support the acts mentioned.

Fundamentalist Muslims - taking into account opinion polls outside the U.S. of percentages that believe killing Americans is justified, elections in Muslim countries where there is a fundamentalist vs. moderate Muslim candidate an underestimate would be 35-40%. Not saying this is the percentage that would become jihadists, saying this is the percentage that hold the belief system, agree with sharia law, etc.

Does burning buildings and Christian churches with Bibles inside count? How about just murdering Christians?

[URL="http://www.asianews.it/news-en/West-Java,-thousands-of-Islamic-extremists-attack-a-Christian-center-18256.html"]INDONESIA West Java, thousands of Islamic extremists attack a Christian center - Asia News[/URL]

[url=http://spectator.org/archives/2007/07/02/thrown-to-the-lions]The American Spectator : Thrown to the Lions[/url]

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/jan/14/anti-christian-violence-muslim-world]The wave of anti-Christian violence | Simon Tisdall | Comment is free | The Guardian[/url]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv9PyscAJ80]YouTube - Pakistan: blasphemy laws spur violence against Christians[/ame]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;729924]Mainline Christians - based on numbers of overall Christians vs. those who commit the type of acts mentioned and giving an overly high estimate for those who support those acts. 90% + of Mainline Christians do not support the acts mentioned.

Fundamentalist Muslims - taking into account opinion polls outside the U.S. of percentages that believe killing Americans is justified, elections in Muslim countries where there is a fundamentalist vs. moderate Muslim candidate an underestimate would be 35-40%. Not saying this is the percentage that would become jihadists, saying this is the percentage that hold the belief system, agree with sharia law, etc.

Does burning buildings and Christian churches with Bibles inside count? How about just murdering Christians?

[URL="http://www.asianews.it/news-en/West-Java,-thousands-of-Islamic-extremists-attack-a-Christian-center-18256.html"]INDONESIA West Java, thousands of Islamic extremists attack a Christian center - Asia News[/URL]

[url=http://spectator.org/archives/2007/07/02/thrown-to-the-lions]The American Spectator : Thrown to the Lions[/url]

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/jan/14/anti-christian-violence-muslim-world]The wave of anti-Christian violence | Simon Tisdall | Comment is free | The Guardian[/url]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv9PyscAJ80]YouTube - Pakistan: blasphemy laws spur violence against Christians[/url][/quote]

I get the mistreatment of christians but what I fail to understand is what you base 35 to 40 percent figure on. I would be shocked if you can find a poll that supports your claim that that many support the killing of americans.

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There you have it! Fundamentalist nutjob muslims win by a landslide.
This may cast some doubt on the Olive branch project. On the bright side only half will draw and fire. The other half might take the Olive Branch.....not a problem

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[quote=Hog1;729931]There you have it! Fundamentalist nutjob muslims win by a landslide.
This may cast some doubt on the Olive branch project. On the bright side only half will draw and fire. The other half might take the Olive Branch.....not a problem[/quote]

You wanna put operation "An Eye For An Eye" into effect?

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[quote=saden1;729944]You wanna to put operation "An Eye For An Eye" into effect?[/quote]
I......wanna do what makes sense. If the Olive branch will work, I'm on it.
If it will not we need to use the tools at our disposal as is necessary. If you look to some of our brothers and sisters in Europe, they are having some fun with the muslim communities. I would hate to have that dilemma....plague the USA.

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This needs derailed.

Can we all now agree that the best solution for all involved is to remove all religion? No more muslims, christians, hindu, jews, you name it, no mas. We can gather all of the holy books together and have a big pig roast (the now ex-muslims would love this, as they would get the chance to see that pork is delicious). We'd certainly have less to bitch at each other about. Then we could divide society down important lines, like Redskins fans vs. Cowboys fans. And Eagles fans, or as they would be known in this future utopian society, the homeless.
:FIREdevil:headbange:FIREdevil:headbange:FIREdevil:headbange

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[quote=saden1;729929]I get the mistreatment of christians but what I fail to understand is what you base 35 to 40 percent figure on. I would be shocked if you can find a poll that supports your claim that that many support the killing of americans.[/quote]Keep in mind I said the 35-40% was [B]NOT[/B] the percentage that would actually become jihadists, but that support Fundamentalist Islam (sharia, etc).

This Pew poll towards the bottom has a section with % that support or justify suicide bombing.

[url=http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1630/obama-more-popular-abroad-global-american-image-benefit-22-nation-global-survey?src=prc-latest&proj=peoplepress]Obama More Popular Abroad than at Home, Global Image of U.S. Continues to Benefit - Pew Research Center[/url]

This report from U of MD (Testudo Rules) is pretty interesting in the support for violent acts against civilians is fairly low (however estimating 5% of 1.2B Muslims worldwide is 60M, that's a large amount of potential jihadists), but what is concerning is the percentage that would impose strict sharia law. The Brookings Institute also had a hand in this, so it's not from Fox or Heritage :silly:

[url=http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/incl/printable_version.php?pnt=346]Printable Version[/url]

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;729964]This needs derailed.

Can we all now agree that the best solution for all involved is to remove all religion? No more muslims, christians, hindu, jews, you name it, no mas. We can gather all of the holy books together and have a big pig roast (the now ex-muslims would love this, as they would get the chance to see that pork is delicious). We'd certainly have less to bitch at each other about. Then we could divide society down important lines, like [B]Redskins fans vs. Cowboys fans.[/B] And Eagles fans, or as they would be known in this future utopian society, the homeless.
:FIREdevil:headbange:FIREdevil:headbange:FIREdevil:headbange[/quote]Says the guy with the PJ5 avatar.....J/K :)

If we did that then we would look like India's caste system with the Cowpuke fans on the bottom of the totem pole, slightly below the Iggles fans.