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Longtimefan 09-17-2010 01:21 PM

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[quote=Mattyk;734638]You can play the what if game all day long. What if Armstrong hauls in that TD and we go up 17-0? Or what if we at least get the FG there and later on have a 16-7 lead?[/quote]

This is the place for what if's, the game is played here all the time, I've grown accustomed to it.

apiatt 09-17-2010 01:28 PM

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I think the defense's effort in week 1 was very solid. Remember guys, no matter what we think of there coaching staff Dallas is still one of the most talented teams in the NFL. To discredit the schemes Haslett cooked up as ineffective because we had 1 sack, has some to do with the holding, and some to do with the fact that they are quality team with Many above average players. Sure we are from set, and there a lot of questions that need to answered yet. But I think we get a much better taste of how tough we will be to prepare for schematically against Houston. While they are as talented at the skill positions as Dallas, I don't think they are as deep or talented on the O-line (excluding Barron of course).

I still think the major questions reside with the offense. We are going to need to score some points and until we are able to gel as a unit, even if our defense is stout, we can't win every game 13-7.

diehard 09-17-2010 01:32 PM

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I think teams have realized Horton's playmaking ability. He should get in the game more.

Longtimefan 09-17-2010 01:38 PM

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^^ I agree, and especially with your last sentence. It's virtually the same as most people are saying that weighed in. It's not about bitching or complaining, but more about how we'd like to see the defense improve. I find no fault in that.

saden1 09-17-2010 01:45 PM

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I really don't understand all the love for Haslett defenses. They were good at best, never great. Regardless of whether or not he gives teams different looks I'm worried about our run and pass defense. We need to do better.

SirClintonPortis 09-17-2010 04:46 PM

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[quote=tryfuhl;733877]That was the first thing that I noticed, even without the replay. How you can mess up timing that badly is crazy. I'm hoping he lost it in the lights or something, but who knows.[/quote]

I think it may something with eyes. He should get them checked since he may not be perceiving depth perfectly. I know DT had lasik in a prior offseason.

SirClintonPortis 09-17-2010 05:01 PM

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[quote=Mattyk;734589]Haven't seen anything official but one would have to think Haslett was ok with it, he was primarily playing on passing downs so he was probably allowed some leeway to get up field. Otherwise I can't see why he would have been left in there.[/quote]

Doubtful. Shooting the gap are staple for "Phillips" 3-4s, which I why I believe Haynesworth would fit better down there with the moo-moo bums. We have a Lebeau-influenced 3-4, so I think there's a mix of plays that ask the Dlinemen to two-gap and one-gap, but I can't be sure because there's so much to pay attention to.

itvnetop 09-17-2010 05:25 PM

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[quote=over the mountain;734587]has anyone found any qoutes from haslett or shanny re. whether haynesworth was supposed to be shooting the gap from NT?

Ive read every article posted in the warpaths news section and other articles to no avail.[/quote]

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/hard-hits/2010/09/redskins-texans_matchups_arian.html"]Arrington's take[/URL]

Pretty good insight coming from a former linebacker.

SirClintonPortis 09-17-2010 05:38 PM

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[quote=itvnetop;734746][URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/hard-hits/2010/09/redskins-texans_matchups_arian.html"]Arrington's take[/URL]

Pretty good insight coming from a former linebacker.[/quote]

Sounds like he shouldn't be shooting gaps then. Also seems to explain why Haslett wants him to play "with more power".

CultBrennan59 09-19-2010 08:53 PM

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After today game I just wanted to point out that Hasletts defense has always been ranked low, like 12-27th in the league overall. However the defenses have been high turnover type defenses. You can definitely win with this defense, being that its only week two, so we haven't fully learned it, and the fact that the Saints won with a so-so overall defense last year and a great turnover defense.

Really the Question mark players on this defense are: Kemo, Andre Carter, the secondary as a whole, and sometimes Gholston. If we got a better NT, we would already be that much better.

CultBrennan59 09-21-2010 04:36 PM

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Oh by the way, we have the worst defense in the NFL

32nd according to NFL.com...

kdogg3270 09-21-2010 04:48 PM

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5) Why is it that we can never get to Romo? I feel like every time any other team goes against him, they can get a few sacks against him, but when we go against them we make the whole OLine and the QB look like pro bowlers.




this has bothered me for years..i think it boils down to two reasons.

1. our defense (esp. the coaching staff) never seems to know what the other team (in this case Romo, dallas) is doing. This also applies to our yearly lack of interceptions as well.

2. it seems like other teams simply have better athletes than we do. And alot of that comes from stockpiling draft picks/having a younger team on the field.

MTK 09-21-2010 05:03 PM

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[quote=kdogg3270;737139]5) Why is it that we can never get to Romo? I feel like every time any other team goes against him, they can get a few sacks against him, but when we go against them we make the whole OLine and the QB look like pro bowlers.




this has bothered me for years..i think it boils down to two reasons.

1. our defense (esp. the coaching staff) never seems to know what the other team (in this case Romo, dallas) is doing. This also applies to our yearly lack of interceptions as well.

2. it seems like other teams simply have better athletes than we do. And alot of that comes from stockpiling draft picks/having a younger team on the field.[/quote]

The Bears didn't sack him at all. We sacked him once.

Mechanix544 09-21-2010 07:42 PM

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What is our defense ranked in PPG?

Id take 18.5 ppg with the offense we showed this past week, even with our questionable recieving corps.........

CultBrennan59 09-21-2010 07:49 PM

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[quote=Mechanix544;737227]What is our defense ranked in PPG?

Id take 18.5 ppg with the offense we showed this past week, even with our questionable recieving corps.........[/quote]

Yeah we're ranked 16th in the league in terms of PPG, not that good of a number IMO

NYCskinfan82 09-21-2010 08:03 PM

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The coaching staff thought process must be blitz blitz blitz they can't stop them all eventually we will get them.

saden1 09-21-2010 08:40 PM

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[quote=Mattyk;737146]The Bears didn't sack him at all. We sacked him once.[/quote]

I have to give it to Romo, he is amazingly elusive. No one out there is better than him when it comes to getting out of the pocket and escaping pressure.

skinsnut 09-21-2010 10:03 PM

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Biggest concerns entering the season....
WR's...
Ability to run
Switch to 3-4 and Haslett as a d coordinator (always ranked lower than Blache and skins predicesors)

Well...its true...McNabb makes our lame WR's look better...
We cant run
We still likely cant stop the run and now we cant stop the pass.
Our top 10 Defense is now crap...I know it is only 2 weeks but...our defense has blown 2 games in the end...and we won one because of a penalty.

Starters such as Daniels are on the bench...DE's are playing out of position at LB, unknows are playing the Dline and our safetys have not been shored up....blitzing 75% of the time only works with killer cover guys...we have one or two of those tops...not 3-4.

Haslett is the weak link for sure on this coaching staff....we all knew it from the beginning.
It is time for him to fix this crappy defense and use more discression with the blitz...I wouldn't mind a little bit of smashing WR's at the line too...this 10-15 yards off crap is just as sucky as last year...the problem is because we blitz with no suprise...we don't get there and they are tearing up our secondary.

I'd be pleased with a 4-3 with the same players as last year with more aggressive play calling...that would likely yield a far better result with this personnel

MTK 09-21-2010 10:12 PM

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To be fair I think we need to give this thing more than 2 games to call Haslett a weak link. We've gone up against two top offenses so far.

skinsnut 09-21-2010 10:17 PM

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[quote=Mattyk;737280]To be fair I think we need to give this thing more than 2 games to call Haslett a weak link. We've gone up against two top offenses so far.[/quote]

Perhaps...but you've got to admit...out of Shanny, Shanny JR and Haslett....that Haslett had the weakest coaching background results of the 3....not to mention Shanny's tendancy to select and churn through average D coordinators.

It is a shame...because, even though I was expecting a decline in defensive capability due to the scheme shift...I sure expected them to be able to force a few more punts than they have....due to their ability to stop offenses...not due to opponents errors such as the Dallas game.

Lets see how much yardage they give up to a crap team....especially late in the game.
I frankly cannot understand how you can give up that much yardage to an average team with a 17 pt lead late in the game...."prevent" would have yielded better results. The Houston game was a disgrace...great first impression!

MTK 09-21-2010 10:22 PM

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Again, we're only 2 games in against two very good offenses. Haslett is not some bum off the street. The mighty Gregg Williams only ranked 25th last year and has a ring.

SouperMeister 09-21-2010 10:31 PM

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Just watched the NFL Network replay of the Texans debacle, and Haslett deserves some measure of blame for the collapse. Houston was D-E-A-D, down by 17, 3rd and 15, late in the 3rd quarter when Haslett dialed up yet another blitz that yielded the 50 yard screen to Arian Foster and let Houston back in the game. The Skins never regained momentum after that.

skinsnut 09-21-2010 10:37 PM

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[quote=Mattyk;737287]Again, we're only 2 games in against two very good offenses. Haslett is not some bum off the street. The mighty Gregg Williams only ranked 25th last year and has a ring.[/quote]

Good point on Williams...touche'

Counter point...the Skin's offense does not have anywhere near the offensive firepower of NO... GW is smart enough to gamble on blitzes when he knows his offense can score 30 a game. That could yield big yardage but may result in turnovers...which occured.

Haslett does this stuff regardless of the situation...at least so far this season.
I will give him more time...but I (and likely other educated fans) are getting a bit uncomfortable with this need for a radically different defense without the proper personnel...now we need to worry about defensive playcalling too.

Ruhskins 09-21-2010 11:33 PM

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[quote=skinsnut;737294]Good point on Williams...touche'

Counter point...the Skin's offense does not have anywhere near the offensive firepower of NO... GW is smart enough to gamble on blitzes when he knows his offense can score 30 a game. That could yield big yardage but may result in turnovers...which occured.

Haslett does this stuff regardless of the situation...at least so far this season.
I will give him more time...but[B] I (and likely other educated fans) are getting a bit uncomfortable with this need for a radically different defense without the proper personnel...now we need to worry about defensive playcalling too[/B].[/quote]

I think you bring a good point here...Haslett is blitzing as though we have the defense for it. And well it doesn't work all the time. Had Haslett gone a bit conservative and focus more on coverage, we could have won the game.

Honestly, after being down 17 points, I think as a defense you defend the pass, especially Andre Johnson. While Foster was running all over us, many teams don't catch up by running the ball, especially when you have a QB like Schaub and a receiver like Johnson.

While Haslett is not the sole reason we lost (as we know it was Reed Doughty :smashfrea ) his overly aggressive blitzing scheme on a team that is learning the 3-4 and may not have the right personnel is a bit concerning.


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