Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;754755]Accountability is huge with Shanahan, and that explains his decisions regarding AH, and probably DM as well. It sounds like you'd rather sacrifice accountability and principles for a win.

As for Rabach, I'm willing to bet he's the hardest working guy on the team. And, sadly, he is probably our best option at center.[/quote]

I think we're overstating the accountability issue here and it's now becoming more of a talking point, and masking some of Shanahan's short comings, rather than something that actually fosters trust and maturity in your locker room. If your approach yields confusion and mistrust, then you need to check yourself. This ain't Pop Warner and it ain't the collegiate ranks. You're only going to be able to get so far with the hard nose approach with professional athletes that play at this level. And Shanny needs to find the line between effective accountability as an NFL coach and letting professionals be professionals.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=12thMan;754759]I think we're overstating the accountability issue here and it's now becoming more of a talking point, and masking some of Shanahan's short comings, rather than something that actually fosters trust and maturity in your locker room. If your approach yields confusion and mistrust, then you need to check yourself. This ain't Pop Warner and it ain't the collegiate ranks. You're only going to be able to get so far with the hard nose approach with professional athletes that play at this level. And Shanny needs to find the line between effective accountability as an NFL coach and letting professionals be professionals.[/quote]

Belichick is the epitome of the "hard-nosed" coach, and I'd say it's worked pretty well for him. He's built a team where none of his players would *ever* question any of his decisions. They work hard, and they do what they're told to the best of their abilities. If Shanahan's approach is causing confusion and mistrust, it could be because he's got the wrong kind of players.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;754763]Belichick is the epitome of the "hard-nosed" coach, and I'd say it's worked pretty well for him. He's built a team where none of his players would *ever* question any of his decisions. They work hard, and they do what they're told to the best of their abilities. If Shanahan's approach is causing confusion and mistrust, it could be because he's got the wrong kind of players.[/quote]

Totally agree.

I don't think there's any real confusion or mistrust anyway. The whole situation with Haynesworth was blown out of proportion and I think the dust will settle on this McNabb issue as well.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;754763]Belichick is the epitome of the "hard-nosed" coach, and I'd say it's worked pretty well for him. He's built a team where none of his players would *ever* question any of his decisions. They work hard, and they do what they're told to the best of their abilities. If Shanahan's approach is causing confusion and mistrust, it could be because he's got the wrong kind of players.[/quote]

Well Belichick has had the fortune of winning three Superbowls to back him up on his tactics. Unless you intimately know the details of pre-SB Patriots, I say that his tactics have become better known after he started to win. Maybe he started out this way in New England, but it is hard to question anyone when they win.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

Belichick didn't become a hard ass when they won, he wore out his welcome in Cleveland because of that. The best coaches are the ones that do things their way, no exceptions.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk;754837]Belichick didn't become a hard ass when they won, he wore out his welcome in Cleveland because of that. [B]The best coaches are the ones that do things their way, no exceptions.[/[/B]QUOTE]

Apparently......not here?

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=Mattyk;754837]Belichick didn't become a hard ass when they won, he wore out his welcome in Cleveland because of that. The best coaches are the ones that do things their way, no exceptions.[/quote]I think the progression of Coughlin and Belichick from my-way-or-the-highway to more adaptive styles is evidence to the contrary. As is the transition of Parcells from a guy who won a lot of games and super bowls to a .500 coach in his last two stops.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;754856]I think the progression of Coughlin and Belichick from my-way-or-the-highway to more adaptive styles is evidence to the contrary. As is the transition of Parcells from a guy who won a lot of games and super bowls to a .500 coach in his last two stops.[/quote]

I don't see any evidence that supports the notion that Coughlin or Belichick have become any less stubborn or demanding. They simply suffered through the growing pains -- alienating, cutting or trading anyone without unconditional support for them -- and now they have good teams full of professionals who don't question anything, show up to meetings on-time, and work hard at their jobs. That is a strategy for success, regardless of your profession.

People usually respond well to people who know what they want. Coaches like Coughlin and Belichick, spend a lot of time and effort to devise a solid long-term plan, and then they stick to it. The plan wasn't pulled out of thin air -- it was decided upon for many good reasons, and you'd never see coaches like them abandoning their plans mid-season. However, if they came to realize that a guy on their team didn't fit their plan as well as they originally thought, they wouldn't hesitate to make a change. The plan > the player.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=Mattyk;754837]Belichick didn't become a hard ass when they won, he wore out his welcome in Cleveland because of that. The best coaches are the ones that do things their way, no exceptions.[/quote]

Belichick also drafted a hall of fame QB with a 7th rounder. A little luck goes a long way too.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;754755]Accountability is huge with Shanahan, and that explains his decisions regarding AH, and probably DM as well. It sounds like you'd rather sacrifice accountability and principles for a win.

As for Rabach, I'm willing to bet he's the hardest working guy on the team. And, sadly, he is probably our best option at center.[/quote]


I am starting to seriously question Shanahan's "principles". Anyone noticed that McNabb is "out of shape" according to Shanahan. Seriously?

At least saying a 340 pound lineman, who you don't like, is out of shape passes the eye test. Trying to sell that McNabb is now "out of shape"? I am not buying.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

The dye has already been cast where Haynesworth is concerned. I could be wrong, but I have a feeling we won't have Albert to kick around next season if there is one.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=Longtimefan;755193]The dye has already been cast where Haynesworth is concerned. I could be wrong, but I have a feeling we won't have Albert to kick around next season if there is one.[/quote]

He is a bargain if they decide to keep him.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=Mattyk;754772]Totally agree.

I don't think there's any real confusion or mistrust anyway. The whole situation with Haynesworth was blown out of proportion and I think the dust will settle on this McNabb issue as well.[/quote]


have to disagree with you on Haynesworth here Matty ,big Al started this crap and has kept it going he's gone after this year but as for McNabb I agree...this will blow over wining a few games will solve that and if you make the playoffs ...he'll get his long term deal.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

How has AH kept it going?? Have you seen the last 3 games he's played in?

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;755202]He is a bargain if they decide to keep him.[/quote]
He has to date been the type of bargain we can.......ill afford and a far to common place occurrence at Redskin park. While the talent is there, the head is not

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=Giantone;755304]have to disagree with you on Haynesworth here Matty ,big Al started this crap and has kept it going he's gone after this year but as for McNabb I agree...this will blow over wining a few games will solve that and if you make the playoffs ...he'll get his long term deal.[/quote]

While I have generally NOT been in Big's corner with this deal, I must say the interviews with him (that I have seen) were totally impressive.
Not the entitled spoiled "Superlete" I expected at all.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=Mattyk;755325]How has AH kept it going?? Have you seen the last 3 games he's played in?[/quote]

3, Bears ..yup he had a good game against a very bad O line,Lions game played ok not what the Skins are paying for him but what I meant was when the situation was at it's peak ...there was more to blame AH then MS.

I think both mcnabb and haynesworth are here next season. The AH drama is dissipating, and I'm confident the mcnabb drama will likely do the same. Every time some issue like this comes up, everyone freaks out and makes ridiculous presumptions about getting rid of the player/coach in question. Both mcnabb and haynesworth make our team better, and there's no logic in getting rid of them unless we find a better option, which I'm doubtful will happen in one off-season.

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Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

Watching the game now, and first thought of the day: Ma'ake Kemoeatu is really in beast-mode these last two weeks. He didn't play much last week but flashed when he did. This week he's all over the place. Dominic Raiola is no slouch at center, but against Kemo and Haynesworth, he could do almost nothing right.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;755499]Watching the game now, and first thought of the day: Ma'ake Kemoeatu is really in beast-mode these last two weeks. He didn't play much last week but flashed when he did. This week he's all over the place. Dominic Raiola is no slouch at center, but against Kemo and Haynesworth, he could do almost nothing right.[/quote]

I agree, Kemo and AH are both playing well right now. Hasslett needs to reconize that and adjust his substitution pattern.
I watched the game again last night, mostly to watch the defense and McNabb...one major thing jumped off the scree at me. Kedric Golsten in playing really bad. He is playing on roller skates. The guy is getting pushed around and it is embarrassing. The major long runs were run right at his gap and he was pushed 5 yards off the line. Something need to be done. He is not a starter and it is time to make a change. He is not the player of the future that I thought he was. He is an ok backup, but that is it.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

Golston is an interior penetrator trying to play the 3-4 scheme, and it's just not working for him. He could play Holliday's role in the 4 man nickel front quite well (and does sometimes), but he's not a two down lineman in this defense.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;755503][B]Golston is an interior penetrator trying to play the 3-4 scheme, and it's just not working for him.[/B] He could play Holliday's role in the 4 man nickel front quite well (and does sometimes), but he's not a two down lineman in this defense.[/quote]

I am not sure if he is battling an injury that might be effecting his play, but he was terrible against the Lions. I mean really bad.
He was [B][U]not [/U][/B]getting doubled team or anything fancy, he just getting blown out on one on one blocking. Not good.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=Defensewins;755506]I am not sure if he is battling an injury that might be effecting his play, but he was terrible against the Lions. I mean really bad.
He was [B][U]not [/U][/B]getting doubled team or anything fancy, he just getting blown out on one on one blocking. Not good.[/quote]

He was being blown up by the Lions' RG last year as well. Part of the reason Kevin Smith iced that game in 2009.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

Rocky McIntosh is a very bad NFL linebacker. Gotta get HB Blades or Perry Riley some looks soon. It would be difficult to be much worse.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=Giantone;755304]have to disagree with you on Haynesworth here Matty ,big Al started this crap and has kept it going he's gone after this year but as for McNabb I agree...this will blow over wining a few games will solve that and if you make the playoffs ...he'll get his long term deal.[/quote]


I like your consistency. You have been wrong about Al from day one and you are sticking by your story. Don't worry, you will have two games to watch how "out of shape" he is.

I also love how everyone automatically thinks he is gone. His salary is going to be about 5 million next year which is a steal.

People are also forgetting that there is about a 90% chance that there are no OTA's and camps next year when the players are locked out.

So that takes care of most if not all of the Al preseason drama.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;755639]I like your consistency. You have been wrong about Al from day one and you are sticking by your story. Don't worry, you will have two games to watch how "out of shape" he is.

I also love how everyone automatically thinks he is gone. His salary is going to be about 5 million next year which is a steal.

People are also forgetting that there is about a 90% chance that there are no OTA's and camps next year when the players are locked out.

So that takes care of most if not all of the Al preseason drama.[/quote]

I think Haynesworth is gone because we need the picks. While I think it'd be great for him to stay, now that the drama is over and done and he's playing up to his potential, he is marketable. Unless his value drops off a lot, he should be commanding at least two picks if he continues to play the way he has in the past couple of games.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;755639]I like your consistency. You have been wrong about Al from day one and you are sticking by your story. Don't worry, you will have two games to watch how "out of shape" he is.
.[/quote]

What is my ...."story"?

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[quote=GTripp0012;755595]Rocky McIntosh is a very bad NFL linebacker. Gotta get HB Blades or Perry Riley some looks soon. It would be difficult to be much worse.[/quote]

Sarcastic sarcasm is sarcastic

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;755595]Rocky McIntosh is a very bad NFL linebacker. Gotta get HB Blades or Perry Riley some looks soon. It would be difficult to be much worse.[/quote]

Really man?? Rocky IS too small to play the middle I think he belongs at the OLB spot but HB is terribly small and he is no Fletcher but even having small fletcher hurts us at times. HB is a lifelong backup and special teams assest but Perry I last saw at the Colts game and seems he has to use special teams for more playing time.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=Dread-Skin;755964]Really man?? Rocky IS too small to play the middle I think he belongs at the OLB spot but HB is terribly small and he is no Fletcher but even having small fletcher hurts us at times. HB is a lifelong backup and special teams assest but Perry I last saw at the Colts game and seems he has to use special teams for more playing time.[/quote]

Read Dirt's post right above yours.