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All of you guys with the counter argument, i.e. nothing to lose, lets see what Grossman has, etc. make great points, but that's not the main point people are going to see here. The main point people are going to see here is that the Shanahans aren't confident in McNabb and don't trust him. And by doing this, you divide the locker room. I see both sides of the argument, I just wish there wasn't an argument at all. You know Grossman is not the qb of the future, so you're not really doing anything except creating an argument where there shouldn't be one.

This is just stupid. I don't care that the season is over, that we won't make the playoffs, I'm just tired of all the mother****ing controversy around here. Can't we just get through this season without one week of stupid ass controversy at Redskins Park?

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lot of venting here...IMO, who cares? the season is a wash and mcnabb is old and beat up. let rexy get sacked 6 times sunday. yes it's dallas, but we still need mcnabb as a band aid until we get someone better.


shanahan has not impressed me thus far, but to be fair i came into the year with typically grandiose redskin fan expectations (alright, so it was 8-8...). however, i still have faith he will ultimately be the real deal. he's done it before, after all. you're out of your mind to take zorn over him.


if we flush all the cancer this year and stock up on young fellas that like to play hard and have fun (even if they suck), i couldn't be happier win or lose in 2011.

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[quote=Daseal;769733]I'm going against the mob here and say I love this move. McNabb may be 9th in passing, but he's also WAY up there in attempts. I'm sick of seeing wide open receivers getting bounce passes from McNabb. The season is over, lets see what Grossman has under his belt. What if he blows it up? I want to see Grossman play.[/quote]

If you want to see grossman play, there's plenty of film out there on him. he's garbage. he'll be our worst starting QB since patrick ramsey.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;769739]People are overreacting to this big-time.

We have nothing to play for this season, and the coaches want to do what's best for the team into the future by evaluating Rex, IMO. If that means upsetting some players, then SFW. Also, McNabb's contract can be voided at the end of this year, so we better make sure we are in a good position to make that decision when the time comes.[/quote]


I think we are all pissed over how this situation was handled. Everyone is blaming McNabb for this, when the OFFENSIVE LINE IS SHIT! The guy is hit, sacked, hurried more than any QB in the league. Can't people see this has been a year in year out thing with this team. It doesn't matter who the QB is, the oline is the worst in the league every year because Danny and Vinny wanted the SEXY pick instead of the right pick. second point is this, why waste a 2nd round pick on McNabb if you are going to have this outlook. Now that is a 2nd rounder we wont have next year, and still wont have a QB. Give the guy a break. We have no line, No WR worth a damn (and dont bring Santana into this, he isn't a #1) no RB worth a shit, but McNabb is playing hard, making plays, and throwing for more yards than he ever has. This is just Redskins life. We always find a way to screw something up. Hell, we fire the damn punter/holder instead of the damn kid that is the worst freaking kicker in the league. That to me is just insane.

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[quote=mooby;769745]All of you guys with the counter argument, i.e. nothing to lose, lets see what Grossman has, etc. make great points, but that's not the main point people are going to see here. The main point people are going to see here is that the Shanahans aren't confident in McNabb and don't trust him. And by doing this, you divide the locker room. I see both sides of the argument, I just wish there wasn't an argument at all. You know Grossman is not the qb of the future, so you're not really doing anything except creating an argument where there shouldn't be one.

This is just stupid. I don't care that the season is over, that we won't make the playoffs, I'm just tired of all the mother****ing controversy around here. Can't we just get through this season without one week of stupid ass controversy at Redskins Park?[/quote]

Here's the way I see it:

McNabb's deal is the epitome of an incentive-based contract. Here you go, Donovan, it's the 5 year deal you wanted -- but, we can void it at the end of this year, so you have 8 games to prove you deserve it. He hasn't done that, and it doesn't look like he will, so onto the next guy. Why wait?

F the controversy caused by hothead fans.

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[quote=#56fanatic;769740]Leave it to the Washington Redskins to F up these situations. First, the defense situation. Taking a perfectly run 4-3 and switching to something not having the players. Then taking the best Dlineman you have and one of the best in the league and totally screw that up. (not saying Albert is right on this, but you have a really good front 4 with AH playing full time and being more aggressive, but instead you switch to something that we dont have the players for) I am glad AH is suspended, but leave it to us to screw up a player that was DOMINANT. Now you take a 2nd round and what ever other round pick for a Hall of Fame QB, and completely ruin this by benching him. To say this is McNabbs issue, or his fault is a complete joke. This organization has completely ignored the most important aspect of a winning football team for longer than a decade, THE OFFENSIVE LINE. I dont care who you have behind center in this organization, they would not be doing anything better than the previous QB's that have been here. Can we not see what is going on. Every QB that has been under Danny and Vinnys watch has failed miserably. Eventually you look at the common denominator in all this and its the front office in ability to draft quality offensive lineman. The RB and QB are only as good as the "fat guys" up front. (Smoot's words) We have to be the most ingnorant run organization in the NFL. Shanny lost quite a few players with the whole AH situation, now he is losing even more with the McNabb benching. I am sure he will be losing quite a few fans over this crap. It is absolutely ridiculous. The guy may not be having a probowl year, but look at what he is doing behind one of the worst offensive lines in football. 4K passing yards, most in his career, may have played in all 16 games for the 1st time in his career, have basically zero running game (except last week, but TB stopped it in the 2nd half)
it is crap![/quote]

Exactly, with no O line, it doesn't matter. Now what kills me is with the picks we gave up for McNabb we could have fixed our entire O line problem in one draft next year and been on our way to recovery.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;769749]Here's the way I see it:

McNabb's deal is the epitome of an incentive-based contract. Here you go, Donovan, it's the 5 year deal you wanted -- but, we can void it at the end of this year, so you have 8 games to prove you deserve it. He hasn't done that, and it doesn't look like he will, so onto the next guy. Why wait?

F the controversy caused by hothead fans.[/quote]

Yeah, but why judge him on a season with a joke of an offensive line, terrible WR's, and a revolving door of UDFA running backs? I wasn't expecting a big year from Donovan, and I'm all for seeing what Rex/Beck have, it's just the way the organization has handled it that has been so awful.

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[quote=#56fanatic;769748]I think we are all pissed over how this situation was handled. Everyone is blaming McNabb for this, when the OFFENSIVE LINE IS SHIT! The guy is hit, sacked, hurried more than any QB in the league. Can't people see this has been a year in year out thing with this team. It doesn't matter who the QB is, the oline is the worst in the league every year because Danny and Vinny wanted the SEXY pick instead of the right pick. second point is this, why waste a 2nd round pick on McNabb if you are going to have this outlook. Now that is a 2nd rounder we wont have next year, and still wont have a QB. Give the guy a break. We have no line, No WR worth a damn (and dont bring Santana into this, he isn't a #1) no RB worth a shit, but McNabb is playing hard, making plays, and throwing for more yards than he ever has. This is just Redskins life. We always find a way to screw something up. Hell, we fire the damn punter/holder instead of the damn kid that is the worst freaking kicker in the league. That to me is just insane.[/quote]

I agree, without an offensive line it's hard to evaluate players, but it still has to be done. You can't give a pass and hand out 5 year contracts to old QBs who underachieve just because the line is shit. I'm thinking Shanahan was expecting something different than what he saw. Maybe more scrambling, maybe better work ethic, I don't know. It sucks that we lost a 2nd, but that was a risk that was worth taking, considering McNabb's credentials.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;769749]Here's the way I see it:

McNabb's deal is the epitome of an incentive-based contract. Here you go, Donovan, it's the 5 year deal you wanted -- but, we can void it at the end of this year, so you have 8 games to prove you deserve it. He hasn't done that, and it doesn't look like he will, so onto the next guy. Why wait?

F the controversy caused by hothead fans.[/quote]

It's not like he has a cast of all-stars all around him. He's not Manning or Brady, he's not going to have a great season with guys that have barely played football at a professional level. Like I said I see your argument, but at this point all this does is tell the world that things really haven't changed in DC. When things go wrong, find the scapegoat and stick him out in front of the crowd.

Whether McNabb is here or not next year is a conversation for the offseason. I realize McNabb hasn't been perfect but singling him out with 3 games left in the season doesn't do anything but create bad press.

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Pffff. Who cares. It's not like McNabb is having a great season and the Redskins are 10-3 trying to nail down a playoff spot. They stink, and McNabb's the 25th rated QB in the league and leads in INTs. Yeah he's thrown for a lot of yards but when you have as many attempts as he has, you're going to pile up a bunch, even if you consistently miss open receivers and bounce balls.

His backers and columnists are already wailing about respect, etc....plleeeeeeeeeease.

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[quote=RFKRat;769756]Pffff. Who cares. It's not like McNabb is having a great season and the Redskins are 10-3 trying to nail down a playoff spot. They stink, and McNabb's the 25th rated QB in the league and [B]leads in INTs[/B]. Yeah he's thrown for a lot of yards but when you have as many attempts as he has, you're going to pile up a bunch, even if you consistently miss open receivers and bounce balls.

His backers and columnists are already wailing about respect, etc....plleeeeeeeeeease.[/quote]

If you're going to come in here, get your facts straight instead of spouting off b.s.

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Shanahan sure loves himself some drama, and this is all this is going to create.

Might as well just cut McNabb now. Why not?

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schefter now just said on espn, that mcnabb will not return and he feels more disrespected than he has ever been in his career. gay

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I saw this coming a month ago when McNabb was benched at the end of the Detroit game. I even posed the question, did anyone think Grossman would start a game before seasons end. If the report is actually true, we have our answer. I can't imagine this going over well.

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Hard to argue with DM right now. I'd want outta here too if I were him.

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[quote=mlmdub130;769760]schefter now just said on espn, that mcnabb will not return and he feels more disrespected than he has ever been in his career. gay[/quote]

And the circus continues. Ahh man. I really help just laughing at this point.

Yeah, Schefter just said "the marriage between the Skins and McNabb is over. It's over."

McNabb will play in Arizona (his home) next year, and then just fade into retirement.

Sigh.

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[quote=Mattyk;769762]Hard to argue with DM right now. I'd want outta here too if I were him.[/quote]

Thank god we only used a worthless 2nd round pick on him. Given our recent 2nd round history we should be lucky we got some production out of it.

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OK, what other team had these same issues with a coach and they have done just fine?

Also we don't know this for sure but if it is true maybe they want to see if we chould keep him as our 2nd string QB.

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I'm so frustrated this franchise can't seem to get out of it's own way. We have cornered the market of combining poor on field performances with more self created drama than anyone in sports! I've never been close to giving up on one of my teams but dammit they are making me strongly consider it!

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I just hope that if we do cut McNabb we don't move to Grossman or Beck as the answer for 2011.

But see this is news to get worked up over, Hunter Smith being waived...not so much

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Lets go on and get through this season, take AJ Green in the first and Kellen Moore in the 2nd !

F it, I have no ties to Donovan. I like him as a player but as a Redskin, so the F what. Be easy champ, go have a nice couple seasons in AZ and let us fix this shyt here.

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[quote=SmootSmack;769767][B]I just hope that if we do cut McNabb we don't move to Grossman or Beck as the answer for 2011.[/B]

But see this is news to get worked up over, Hunter Smith being waived...not so much[/quote]

ditto that

I think it's pretty clear now that DM will be dealt in the offseason. Question is what is their plan now? A rookie? A free agent? It can't be Grossman or Beck, it just can't be. Can it?

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[quote=firstdown;769765]OK, what other team had these same issues with a coach and they have done just fine?

Also we don't know this for sure but if it is true maybe they want to see if we chould keep him as our 2nd string QB.[/quote]

If your talking about keeping Mcnabb as 2nd string that can't happen. You can't afford to pay a back up 10 million next year. And just like everyone else I dislike Danny Schneider but in this case, I would probably be ripping Shanny a new one for costing me essentially 3.4 million for 3 games by Mcnabb when they resigned him. Might as well have used that money and fed the homeless or something.

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I don't have a problem with them benching him. It's how the Shanahan's handle it. YOU'RE 5-8 AND NOT GOING ANYWHERE! Just come out and tell Rex on Mon so he can prepare and show DM respect and tell him Monday. You wait til Fri??? WTF?? I don't know about anyone else but I'm slowly getting tired of the Shanahans.

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So I guess a move like this confirms that Mike Shanahan will probably be fired at season's end???

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[quote=SmootSmack;769767]I just hope that [B]if we do cut McNabb [/B]we don't move to Grossman or Beck as the answer for 2011.

But see this is news to get worked up over, Hunter Smith being waived...not so much[/quote]

thats the thing that gets me. why would we bench mcnabb at this point? it forces us to cut him. if we had just let the season play out, we could have traded him to arizona or minnesota in the offseason.

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Are we trying Grossman out or KS? I think it is a combo, and I am fine with a ham sandwich starting for a year if we can get Line help from dealing McNabb.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;769774]So I guess a move like this confirms that Mike Shanahan will probably be fired at season's end???[/quote]

Your tea leaves are once again way off my friend.

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[quote=WilbursHomie;769751]Exactly, with no O line, it doesn't matter. Now what kills me is with the picks we gave up for McNabb we could have fixed our entire O line problem in one draft next year and been on our way to recovery.[/quote]

There have been many times where he's had good protection and he's throwing late or into the ground. I haven't see DM throw anyone open this year. The wr's are always reaching back or jumping up high to catch balls. Don't have a problem with them benching him, it's how they handle it that pisses me off.

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[quote=GMScud;769724]I think this pretty much cements the fact that Shanahan's regime has been a big disappointment thus far.

While I'd be stunned if The Danny axed him after just one year, it's safe to say MS hasn't really given us anything other than his big name.

Is it me, or does this season feel even worse than last year? I mean, last year it didn't take long for things to unravel into a comical circus that we all knew would end, and that at least gave us some promise for sweeping changes in 2010.

Now those changes have been instituted in what was the biggest organizational change since Danny bought the team, and the result? Well... Shanahan is going to need more than one year, but I'm not optimistic anymore.[/quote]


That's why I wasn't willing to paint Shanahan our savior just because of the resume he brought. I said when he was hired, he hasn't done anything for the Redskins yet, and until he does, he's just another coach that was going to have to prove himself. So far, not so good.

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[quote=Mattyk;769762]Hard to argue with DM right now. I'd want outta here too if I were him.[/quote]

He could have improved his case by playing well. As it stands, it's a "what is" league. And in 2010, D McNabb is a pretty damn horrible QB.

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[quote=skinsfan69;769772]I don't have a problem with them benching him. It's how the Shanahan's handle it. YOU'RE 5-8 AND NOT GOING ANYWHERE! Just come out and tell Rex on Mon so he can prepare and show DM respect and tell him Monday. You wait til Fri??? WTF?? I don't know about anyone else but I'm slowly getting tired of the Shanahans.[/quote]

They knew at the beginning of the week. It's only now the rest of us are finding out

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;769783]He could have improved his case by playing well. As it stands, it's a "what is" league. And in 2010, D McNabb is a pretty damn horrible QB.[/quote]

Yeah he certainly hasn't played great. Horrible might be a bit of a stretch, definitely subpar. Still, both sides have to share blame. Mike's handling of the situation has been less than ideal and DM is only here because the Shanahans wanted him here, at one time that is.

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Mike Wilbon, Thom Loverro, and Steve Czaban all think that Shanahan's essentially one and done in Washington ala Marty and this is Shanahan's way of saying "F U" to washington. he's doing "donoughts in the lawn" on his way out.

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Just listening to Theismann on NFL network and not hearing a ringing endorsement of DMac. He says basically that DMac played himself out of the position.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;769783]He could have improved his case by playing well. As it stands, it's a "what is" league. And in 2010, D McNabb is a pretty damn horrible QB.[/quote]

i think you have to look at the team as a whole, you can't keep scapegoating players year in and year out, shit this is the third? player we have turned into a scapegoat this year alone. we are a horrible team and mcnabb hasn't played great but he isn't the only problem with this team, and i would say he isn't the biggest problem either.

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Is there any chance that this move is being made to prevent clauses in the trade that would escalate what we owe Philly?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;769789]Is there any chance that this move is being made to prevent clauses in the trade that would escalate what we owe Philly?[/quote]

i'm not 100% sure but i remember reading one of smoot smacks posts that would leave me to believe not

edit:that might have been a post about jamal brown actually

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This entire organization has become an epic fail, what a ****ing joke

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[quote=Mattyk;769785]Yeah he certainly hasn't played great. Horrible might be a bit of a stretch, definitely subpar. [B]Still, both sides have to share blame. Mike's handling of the situation has been less than ideal and DM is only here because the Shanahans wanted him here, at one time that is[/B].[/quote]

Agreed. Honestly, it's disheartening when the team (with the resumes these guys have) makes decisions that a large % of the fanbase goes "what are you thinking?" and then the fanbase turns out to be right. But like SS said earlier, MS seems to be admitting making a mistake in picking up McNabb. If that's the situation, I'm glad he's not compounding it by stubbornly sticking with the guy he brought it.