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I still don't get how Andre Gurode keeps goin to the pro bowl, even when former cowboy troy aikman said on the air that he's a very poor center for the cowboys and when of the weak links on their line..

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[quote=CultBrennan59;773582]I still don't get how Andre Gurode keeps goin to the pro bowl, even when former cowboy troy aikman said on the air that he's a very poor center for the cowboys and when of the weak links on their line..[/quote]

lol I don't get it either, remember when he had the shotgun snapping issue where he was tossing them over the QB's head all the time? How this guy is a multiple Pro Bowl player is beyond me.

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It's seems fairly simple to me; play makers get in, and the rest don't. Simple as that. Hall, regardless of what we think of his coverage skills, is a ball hawk and play maker. I can only think of a handful of plays, if that, when London turned the game in our favor or gave us momentum.

Fletcher is smart, he's solid in the middle, a high character guy and all of that, but he's an average play maker at best. I'm just saying.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;773350]How can you justify anyone other than Hall for us in the PB? We had several alternates, but c'mon, our D was a sieve, and our O couldn't find the endzone til DM was benched two weeks ago.[/quote]

What is a sieve?


Also, Miles Austin has to be the most overrated WR in the league.

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[quote=Mattyk;773588]lol I don't get it either, remember when he had the shotgun snapping issue where he was tossing them over the QB's head all the time? How this guy is a multiple Pro Bowl player is beyond me.[/quote]

What's interesting is that once offensive linemen, particularly centers, get selected once they just keep getting selected to the Pro Bowl, even if they have shitty seasons. I think you'll rarely find a center that has had like one or two Pro Bowl appearances. It's usually like 3-5 over the span of a career.

I mean, Chris Samuels probably got in once or twice when he didn't really deserve it. So I think it's just one of those things akin to unseating the incumbent in politics or dethroning the champ in boxing. Weird.

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O[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;773696]What is a sieve?


Also, Miles Austin has to be the most overrated WR in the league.[/quote]

A filter.. like what you use to sift flour or pour stock through to separate unwanted elements

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[quote=tryfuhl;773699]O

A filter.. like what you use to sift flour or pour stock through to separate unwanted elements[/quote]

Thanks never heard it called that before. Learn something new everyday.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;773696]What is a sieve?


Also, Miles Austin has to be the most overrated WR in the league.[/quote]

Not even close.. Ochocinco is followed by Randy Moss

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Ochocinco has earned the respect he gets for being a good WR. So has Moss, what has Miles Austin done to get the lovefest he gets.

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Actually I think that this time next year Brandon Lloyd will grab that honor to. I'm also tempted to call Welker overrated but the fact that he's played this year has been a miracle in and of itself. I'll wait till next year as well to reserve judgement.

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Ocho and moss Were great players key word were. Miles Austin Is a top 10 WR and I don't think any would argue that.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;773710]Ocho and moss Were great players key word were. Miles Austin Is a top 10 WR and I don't think any would argue that.[/quote]

I would.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;773720]I would.[/quote]

Quake v. OkieSkins Round 1: Is Miles Austin a Pro-Bowl wideout?

Go!

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I think Austin would have been a lock if romo stayed healthy.. Their offense went to a run first and short pass game with kitna.. Either way he's in the top 10.

He's the best all around WR in the NFC East IMO With nicks a close 2nd

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[quote=skinsfaninok;773723]I think Austin would have been a lock if romo stayed healthy.. Their offense went to a run first and short pass game with kitna.. Either way he's in the top 10.

He's the best all around WR in the NFC East IMO With nicks a close 2nd[/quote]

Miles Austin isn't even the best WR on his team and they were a pass first team up until Wade was fired. One good year and all of a sudden he's Andre Johnson?? Nah sorry I don't want to buy what your selling.

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Quake r u serious? He's not the best WR in his team? Dont say dez Bryant is after a rookie season.. And I know your not even thinking about Roy. I hate Dallas as much as anyone but that's just insane to say miles is overrated

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[quote=skinsfaninok;773730]Quake r u serious? He's not the best WR in his team? Dont say dez Bryant is after a rookie season.. And I know your not even thinking about Roy. I hate Dallas as much as anyone but that's just insane to say miles is overrated[/quote]

I'd take Dez over him, and Miles Austin is overrated and to say he's not is a joke.

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So now I think I heard Orakpo was in?

His stats were not as flashy this year, but I do beleive he lead the NFL in holding calls too? Can you imagine how scary it will be be for our defense if we can get someone like Von Miller?

Man.. It would improve our defense totally.. Just having more pressure would help the passing defense, etc.

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Yeah.. if Chi wins Fletcher is in too

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[quote=Bucket;778787]So now I think I heard Orakpo was in?

His stats were not as flashy this year, but I do beleive he lead the NFL in holding calls too? Can you imagine how scary it will be be for our defense if we can get someone like Von Miller?

Man.. It would improve our defense totally.. Just having more pressure would help the passing defense, etc.[/quote]

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/brian-orakpo/brian-orakpo-to-play-in-second.html]Redskins Insider - Brian Orakpo to play in second straight Pro Bowl[/url]

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Obviously this is a stats league, but not including Fletch is a huge snub.

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In fact, I take him over Rack and Rodgers.

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Hall***

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My sig says it all... most people including Skins fans don't give Hall the credit he deserves.

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Yeah he deserves so much credit. I haven't seen people get burned like him in ages. Comparing him to Deion is a joke.

He had two great games this year, one of which was handed to him by Cutler. He lost games for us too. Tampa was the last one I remember.

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[quote=hooskins;778832]Yeah he deserves so much credit. I haven't seen people get burned like him in ages. Comparing him to Deion is a joke.

He had two great games this year, one of which was handed to him by Cutler. He lost games for us too. Tampa was the last one I remember.[/quote]


D Hall is what he is, at times he will make big time plays and then there are times where he just gets owned out there.. You have to live with it

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Agreed. I mean I love it when he makes big plays, but he can be a huge liability in coverage.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;778836]Agreed. I mean I love it when he makes big plays, but he can be a huge liability in coverage.[/

He's no Sanders but I like his fight and ability to find the football.. What we need is another CB on the other side that can catch the damn ball.. Hopefully LOS leaves, I'm just burned out on him.. Same goes for other guys on this roster

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The Pro Bowl is a complete joke. I don't even pay attention to it anymore.

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[quote=hooskins;778832]Yeah he deserves so much credit. I haven't seen people get burned like him in ages. [B]Comparing him to Deion is a joke[/B].

He had two great games this year, one of which was handed to him by Cutler. He lost games for us too. Tampa was the last one I remember.[/quote]

Exactly what Im talking about. Not much credit from Skins fans. Not only is Deangelo on pace with Deion, He is entering the prime of his career and is already ahead of Deion in many crutial areas.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/deionsanders/profile?id=SAN282736]Deion Sanders, CB at NFL.com[/url]
[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/deangelohall/careerstats?id=HAL268837]DeAngelo Hall: Career Stats at NFL.com[/url]

Deion........ 53 INT's in 14 Seasons= 3.78 Avg per season
DeAngelo....32 INT's in 8 Seasons= 4.00 Avg per season

And thats no Joke!

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[quote=44ever;778912]Exactly what Im talking about. Not much credit from Skins fans. Not only is Deangelo on pace with Deion, He is entering the prime of his career and is already ahead of Deion in crutial many areas.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/deionsanders/profile?id=SAN282736]Deion Sanders, CB at NFL.com[/url]
[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/deangelohall/careerstats?id=HAL268837]DeAngelo Hall: Career Stats at NFL.com[/url]

Deion........ 53 INT's in 14 Seasons= 3.78 Avg per season
DeAngelo....32 INT's in 8 Seasons= 4.00 Avg per season

And thats no Joke![/quote]

Your stats do not tell the whole story.

Deion in his prime was a true shutdown corner. He made those int's despite the fact that QB's threw away from him a lot due to fear. DHall just does not strike the same fear in QB's that Deion did in his prime.

That said, Deion was pathetic against the run. DHall is a better run defender IMO.

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Hall is a better tackler than Sanders...but that's not saying much.

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Champ Bailey in his prime over any DB IMO!!!

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Thank you Lotus, my thoughts to a t.

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Orakpo is going to the PB now.


Fletcher still has a chance if the Bears go to the Super Bowl.

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2011/01/17/brian-orakpo-unofficially-headed-to-the-pro-bowl-and-other-li/]Brian Orakpo (Unofficially) Headed To The Pro Bowl, And Other Links[/url]

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[quote=Buster;779189]Orakpo is going to the PB now.


Fletcher still has a chance if the Bears go to the Super Bowl.

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2011/01/17/brian-orakpo-unofficially-headed-to-the-pro-bowl-and-other-li/]Brian Orakpo (Unofficially) Headed To The Pro Bowl, And Other Links[/url][/quote]

Yeah, I seen that. That is awesome. He belongs there, no doubt. The whole thing with Fletcher is extremely frustrating. He just keeps playing incredible football never missing a game and is overlooked year after year. WTF?!?!

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Am I wrong to think Fletcher should go in ahead of 'Rak?

They're both awesome players, but Fletcher seems like a bigger impact player (Orakpo could be if he wasn't clothes-lined every play).

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[quote=44ever;779228]Yeah, I seen that. That is awesome. He belongs there, no doubt. The whole thing with Fletcher is extremely frustrating. He just keeps playing incredible football never missing a game and is overlooked year after year. WTF?!?![/quote]

When you look at his numbers (especially how favorably they compare to Ray Lewis'), and especially his consecutive games played streak (which in my opinion as a middle linebacker is just as if not more impressive than Favre's), I think he has a legitimate shot at going to the hall of fame, and more than that I think he deserves to go.

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[quote=r08kessl;779478]When you look at his numbers (especially how favorably they compare to Ray Lewis'), and especially his consecutive games played streak (which in my opinion as a middle linebacker is just as if not more impressive than Favre's), I think he has a legitimate shot at going to the hall of fame, and more than that I think he deserves to go.[/quote]

I think Fletcher will need a super bowl ring in his resume, in order to make him a good candidate for HOF..

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[quote=GridIron26;779481]I think Fletcher will need a super bowl ring in his resume, in order to make him a good candidate for HOF..[/quote]

Has one, he won it with the ram's in 1999.