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Bachmann? Ya'll never hear the crazy shit that bitch be saying? Come on man, she will get embarrassed by Obama.

Christie, that guy is nice. Real shame he isn't running.

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So should we start a How To Pass Time During The Government Shutdown thread ?

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;792268]This isn't about who is living in The House. It's about two sides that are not willing to care about the people they are supposed to be serving enough to cut the bullshit. When our country gave up on it's people and cared more about money than ever we started heading down tis slope. Some of you may feel it's this president who is at fault, I feel that he shoulders some of the blame. It's everyone that works down the street from where I do who is to blame. They all need to sit down and think about what they are doing to the american people.

The companies that are making money hand over fist yet they pay no taxes, give them a bill just like I get every paycheck and every year. Maybe that can help a little bit ?

What do I know, not too much but **** them all for the stress they are putting us through. All this standoff at High Noon bullshit is real childish.[/quote]


We are animals with competing interests and I require a different type/level of service.

[quote]"You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time."[/quote]

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;792268]This isn't about who is living in The House. It's about two sides that are not willing to care about the people they are supposed to be serving enough to cut the bullshit. When our country gave up on it's people and cared more about money than ever we started heading down tis slope. Some of you may feel it's this president who is at fault, I feel that he shoulders some of the blame. It's everyone that works down the street from where I do who is to blame. They all need to sit down and think about what they are doing to the american people.

The companies that are making money hand over fist yet they pay no taxes, give them a bill just like I get every paycheck and every year. Maybe that can help a little bit ?

What do I know, not too much but **** them all for the stress they are putting us through. All this standoff at High Noon bullshit is real childish.[/quote]
I actually don't care if the goverment does shut down because I feel they do more harm then good when they are actually working passing bill.

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This is ridiculous. Shutting down the government will actually cost us, the tax payers, more money in the long run. I agree that fiscal changes need to be made in Washington, but putting this many people on furlough is not fair. Not only will government employees be sitting at home, so will their contractor counterparts. Curious how this will impact the often insulated Northern VA economy.

At my job we've basically been told it doesn't look good. Prepare to get some time off.

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[quote=dmek25;792214]can you name one person from the GOP that can beat him?[/quote]

Bobby Jindal

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If the goverment shuts down why do national parks have to close? Do we really need someone working for people to enjoy the outdoors.

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Overall disappointed with the Dems not realizing its gonna take much deeper cuts to get this thing in order, but whats new? I would be knee deep in the Pentagon's budget cutting away, state and foriegn aid, government contractors, and the government workforce as a whole-2 year freeze isnt sh*t. All earmarks need to go as well.

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[quote=firstdown;792286]I actually don't care if the goverment does shut down because I feel they do more harm then good when they are actually working passing bill.[/quote]

To hell with those rich shits. They'll still get paid, but all of us contractors get dick while they play their game. They'll still get their perks while the federal employees hope they get paid for their time out. I hate politics, and the games that go along with government.

I'm walking around my building and folks are just dragging, sad as hell, talking about whether or not we'll be here monday or not. F it, I can't help what happens it's in their hands, but **** all the people that are playing with peoples lives. Make those big companies pay some taxes and stop giving money away while they send jobs elsewhere. I'm done man, I'm starting to get upset, I'll be burning about 5 tonight !

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[quote=Chico23231;792671]Overall disappointed with the Dems not realizing its gonna take much deeper cuts to get this thing in order, but whats new? I would be knee deep in the Pentagon's budget cutting away, state and foriegn aid, government contractors, and the government workforce as a whole-2 year freeze isnt sh*t. All earmarks need to go as well.[/quote]

It's not just the Dems. It's the entire system.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;792674]To hell with those rich shits. They'll still get paid, but all of us contractors get dick while they play their game. They'll still get their perks while the federal employees hope they get paid for their time out. I hate politics, and the games that go along with government.

I'm walking around my building and folks are just dragging, sad as hell, talking about whether or not we'll be here monday or not. F it, I can't help what happens it's in their hands, but **** all the people that are playing with peoples lives. Make those big companies pay some taxes and stop giving money away while they send jobs elsewhere. I'm done man, I'm starting to get upset, I'll be burning about 5 tonight ![/quote]

Sorry to hear about your situation. Do you work for the government or a contractor that does government work.

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[quote=Chico23231;792671]Overall disappointed with the Dems not realizing its gonna take much deeper cuts to get this thing in order, but whats new? I would be knee deep in the Pentagon's budget cutting away, state and foriegn aid, government contractors, and the government workforce as a whole-2 year freeze isnt sh*t. All earmarks need to go as well.[/quote]

I agree with everything you said but I also think its time for the right to also fix the tax rules for large corps that get away with paying little to no taxes. While I'm the first person to say I hate taxes I feel everyone should pay their fair share. That goes for the large corporations to the poor. I also think its fine for the rich to pay a larger % but I also think that the poor also needs to pay some taxes. Everyone yells for cutting budgets but they raise hell when its their things getting cut.

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It's a shame we depend on the government so much. How did this happen?

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[quote=firstdown;792286]I actually don't care if the goverment does shut down because I feel they do more harm then good when they are actually working passing bill.[/quote]

I agree. Compensating soldiers with an IOU to stare the barrel of the enemy gun seems OK to me. Carry on.

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[quote=firstdown;792677]I agree with everything you said but I also think its time for the right to also fix the tax rules for large corps that get away with paying little to no taxes. While I'm the first person to say I hate taxes I feel everyone should pay their fair share. That goes for the large corporations to the poor. I also think its fine for the rich to pay a larger % but I also think that the poor also needs to pay some taxes. Everyone yells for cutting budgets but they raise hell when its their things getting cut.[/quote]

Federal Corporate tax needs to be lowered from i think like 35%, 60 minutes had a good story on it a couple weeks ago. Major companies are moving offshore to lessen their tax burden. Companies that thrive on doing business in the states move to tax shelter-like countries ie Swizzland, and reduce their tax from 35% to like 15%-25%...so we because of stupid tax law miss out on trillions. It would be nice to have that money.

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[quote=firstdown;792676]Sorry to hear about your situation. Do you work for the government or a contractor that does government work.[/quote]

I'm a contractor and my wife is a Federal Employee. This is a shitty thing, I hope they work this out soon. Everyone here is expecting to be out for about a week tops, the crazy thing is I was told earlier that I have to come in Monday to turn in the albatross they call a Blackberry, only to be sent home once it's all official.

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[quote=firstdown;792663]If the goverment shuts down why do national parks have to close? Do we really need someone working for people to enjoy the outdoors.[/quote]

National parks require things like maintenance and security for people and animals.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;792674]To hell with those rich shits. [B]They'll still get paid, but all of us contractors get dick while they play their game[/B]. They'll still get their perks while the federal employees hope they get paid for their time out. I hate politics, and the games that go along with government.[/quote]

Not all contractors. One of the companies that contracts to us is going to pay up to a week's worth of salary for any employee affected by a shutdown.
They're not a small company, either.

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That's good stuff, a week makes a hell of a difference. Mine just sent an email telling us that we need to turn in our time sheets today and made sure that we didnt forget we wouldn't get paid, lol. I sure hope we get through this soon.

My yard is going to be beautiful because of all this !

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;792716]That's good stuff, a week makes a hell of a difference. Mine just sent an email telling us that we need to turn in our time sheets today and made sure that we didnt forget we wouldn't get paid, lol. I sure hope we get through this soon.

My yard is going to be beautiful because of all this ![/quote]


Iam assuming yo ucan use vacation time...correct?

My job won't be affected by the shutdown, which is good, my heart goes out to those that are not as lucky.

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Yeah I can but I'm gonna hold onto it. If we get to a week in then I'm gonna go into it. I'm sitting on 47 hours right now. I'm usually a very optomistic person but this shit is really starting to scare me now.

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[quote=FRPLG;792690]I agree. Compensating soldiers with an IOU to stare the barrel of the enemy gun seems OK to me. Carry on.[/quote]

I don't see why they should be classified differently than any other government employee. No pay for everyone!

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[quote=saden1;792724]I don't see why they should be classified differently than any other government employee. No pay for everyone![/quote]

That's the spirit.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;792682][B]It's a shame we depend on the government so much[/B]. How did this happen?[/quote]

Its because people depend on the goverment so much.

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[quote=Lotus;792709]National parks require things like maintenance and security for people and animals.[/quote]

The woods need maintenance? Thats new. You mean we turned them into parks so they now need maintenance. Security? are parks that dangerous? Sounds like the federal government has turned something free and cheap into something expensive to run. I know it sound dumb but I'm trying to make the point of how we drive up the cost of even the simple stuff.

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[quote=saden1;792724]I don't see why they should be classified differently than any other government employee. No pay for everyone![/quote]The 20 yr. olds in Iraq / Afghanistan with a wife and/or child at home that are worried about car payments, house/rent payments, food, utility payments I'm sure agree with you.

I wonder why the President, Congress, and also welfare recepients still get their checks while young military families living paycheck to paycheck, with their lives on the line for the defense of this nation, see a disruption in pay.....when that issue could be fixed with a stroke of Obama's pen (see previous gov't shut-downs). Obama is the C in C and uses these kids as pawns in a politcal game....Disgusting!

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[quote=firstdown;792749]The woods need maintenance? Thats new. You mean we turned them into parks so they now need maintenance. Security? are parks that dangerous? Sounds like the federal government has turned something free and cheap into something expensive to run. I know it sound dumb but I'm trying to make the point of how we drive up the cost of even the simple stuff.[/quote]

Yes, the woods need maintenance in terms of tree health care. Then there are the roads and trails through the woods. There are also efforts to prevent the poaching of endangered species.

As for security, perhaps you are unaware that drug gangs have been turning some national parks into marijuana farms. Sometimes these gangs are armed. There are a million other things that could happen.

Notice that the government did not create any of these problems. Government is required to deal with them, however.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;792750]The 20 yr. olds in Iraq / Afghanistan with a wife and/or child at home that are worried about car payments, house/rent payments, food, utility payments I'm sure agree with you.

I wonder why the President, Congress, and also welfare recepients still get their checks while young military families living paycheck to paycheck, with their lives on the line for the defense of this nation, see a disruption in pay.....when that issue could be fixed with a stroke of Obama's pen (see previous gov't shut-downs). [B]Obama is the C in C and uses these kids as pawns in a politcal game....Disgusting![/B][/quote]

I'm not disagreeing with you, just pointing out that Capitol Hill people of every political stripe are also using them as political pawns because they are being driven by ideology rather than substantive issues.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;792750]The 20 yr. olds in Iraq / Afghanistan with a wife and/or child at home that are worried about car payments, house/rent payments, food, utility payments I'm sure agree with you.

I wonder why the President, Congress, and also welfare recepients still get their checks while young military families living paycheck to paycheck, with their lives on the line for the defense of this nation, see a disruption in pay.....when that issue could be fixed with a stroke of Obama's pen (see previous gov't shut-downs). Obama is the C in C and uses these kids as pawns in a politcal game....Disgusting![/quote]

As do the 22+ yr. olds who work for the government who may or may not have bills to pay.

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Well my contractor told me not to come in on Monday !

I'm pretty sure there will not be a shut down but IF there is. I'll be getting my Black Ops up !!!!

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[quote=saden1;792755]As do the 22+ yr. olds who work for the government who may or may not have bills to pay.[/quote]The 22+ yr. olds that work in other areas of the gov't don't face the choice of getting shot at or going to Leavenworth. Both Reagan and Clinton made sure the military did not see a pay disruption in the last two shut-downs.

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[quote=Lotus;792754]I'm not disagreeing with you, just pointing out that Capitol Hill people of every political stripe are also using them as political pawns because they are being driven by ideology rather than substantive issues.[/quote]If they want to fight over funding for Planned Parenthood vs. Defense acquisitions fine, I get it. But as I mentioned, all it takes is a stroke of the pen by Obama to take the soldiers timely pay out of it.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;792760]The 22+ yr. olds that work in other areas of the gov't don't face the choice of getting shot at or going to Leavenworth. Both Reagan and Clinton made sure the military did not see a pay disruption in the last two shut-downs.[/quote]

What Clinton and his predecessors did is relevant. What is relevant is that the 20 yr. olds waging war will still not have to worry about where their 3 meals a day will come from and where to sleep. Let's share the sacrifice.

All citizens employees are created equal and if the republicans think otherwise the fallout will be their fault. I suspect the republicans will fold and make a deal but then again their level of retardedness can be beyond comprehension sometimes so you never know. It will be very interesting to see what happens...whatever happens I will be a happy man.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;792763]If they want to fight over funding for Planned Parenthood vs. Defense acquisitions fine, I get it. But as I mentioned, all it takes is a stroke of the pen by Obama to take the soldiers timely pay out of it.[/quote]

My point was that it should not come down to Obama's pen.

But you and I are essentially in agreement: whatever it takes, military families should not pay the price for the budget fiasco.

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[quote=saden1;792765]What Clinton and his predecessors did is relevant. What is relevant is that the 20 yr. olds waging war will still not have to worry about where their 3 meals a day will come from and where to sleep. Let's share the sacrifice.

All citizens employees are created equal and if the republicans think otherwise the fallout will be their fault. I suspect the republicans will fold and make a deal but then again their level of retardedness can be beyond comprehension sometimes so you never know. It will be very interesting to see what happens...whatever happens I will be a happy man.[/quote]The level of retardedness (not very PC of you BTW) extends across both sides of the aisle, it just depends on how you look at things on where the greater concentration of it is.

Actually a precedent set by a previous Democratic president in a similar situation is relevant. And while the single 20 yr. old wherever he/she is stationed isn't going to miss a meal, the married 20 yr. old who gets the texts/E-mails from a worried/frantic spouse at home that can't pay bills or buy groceries is not something that should be tolerated by any CinC. It shows Obama's complete lack of concern (best case) / disdain (worst case) for the servicemen & women that risk their lives under his orders. Having served myself and worked with military members since 1985, this disgusts me.

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[quote=Lotus;792768]My point was that it should not come down to Obama's pen.

But you and I are essentially in agreement: whatever it takes, military families should not pay the price for the budget fiasco.[/quote]We agree on both counts. But this is far too close to the edge to not have Obama take action.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;792773]The level of retardedness (not very PC of you BTW) extends across both sides of the aisle, it just depends on how you look at things on where the greater concentration of it is.

Actually a precedent set by a previous Democratic president in a similar situation is relevant. And while the single 20 yr. old wherever he/she is stationed isn't going to miss a meal, the married 20 yr. old who gets the texts/E-mails from a worried/frantic spouse at home that can't pay bills or buy groceries is not something that should be tolerated by any CinC. It shows Obama's complete lack of concern (best case) / disdain (worst case) for the servicemen & women that risk their lives under his orders. Having served myself and worked with military members since 1985, this disgusts me.[/quote]

Am I to understand that the pain of the deployed 20 yr old's family is more important to mitigate than that of a married 22+ yo government employee working in the states? Give me break, every person has bills to pay...the pain of not being able to pay your mortgage or car note is universal but somehow that concept is lost to you and your ilk due to misguided ideological stance.

I'm not PC, and I don't care for Windows either. Oh and as someone who hasn't served but has $2,500 mortgage along with a host of other bills I am disgusted by your demand for preferential treatment.

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[quote=saden1;792724]I don't see why they should be classified differently than any other government employee. No pay for everyone![/quote]

Who did you serve with? How long did you serve? What theatre of battle were you in?

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[quote=saden1;792775]Am I to understand that the pain of the deployed 20 yr old's family is more important to mitigate than that of a married 22+ yo government employee working in the states? Give me break, every person has bills to pay...the pain of not being able to pay your mortgage or car note is universal but somehow that concept is lost to you and your ilk due to misguided ideological stance.

I'm not PC, and I don't care for Windows either. Oh and as someone who hasn't served but has $2,500 mortgage along with a host of other bills I am disgusted by your demand for preferential treatment.[/quote]You and your ilk won't get it. Those who maybe lean left, but aren't hard-core "true believers", will get it. Oh and just wondering if the 22+ yr. old gov't employee in the states you speak of has a target on his/her back everyday and is separated from his/her family for months on end.

And while we're at it, I find it ridiculous that the ideological stance of the far left that runs the democrat party today would put all gov't employees through this pain over an amount of less than 1% of the total federal budget which has skyrocketed since the Ds got control of the WH and both houses of Congress.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;792780]You and your ilk won't get it. Those who maybe lean left, but aren't hard-core "true believers", will get it. Oh and just wondering if the 22+ yr. old gov't employee in the states you speak of [b]has a target on his/her back everyday and is separated from his/her family for months on end[/b].

And while we're at it, [b] I find it ridiculous that the ideological stance of the far left that runs the democrat party today would put all gov't employees through this pain over an amount of less than 1% of the total federal budget[/b] which has skyrocketed since the Ds got control of the WH and both houses of Congress.[/quote]

Irrelevant. Appeal to emotion is rarely a convincing argument.

It takes two to tango and I love mango...it's good to share...here, take a bite.