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Cerrato really IS STUPID!
I thought he just lacked skills to run an NFL Front Office, but the reality is he is showing the same lack of common sense people skills that Dan Snyder lacks, for example the City Paper lawsuit. The ability to turn the other cheek and keep your mouth shut escapes them. It is really easy to do...but your huge ego and lack of common sense wont let you keep your mouth shut.

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[quote=Monkeydad;788015]Why do people still talk to Vinny? Seriously...[/quote]


IDK, if it wasn't for him speaking about Redskins than Redskin fans wouldn't care what he is saying and he would have an audience/following of zero. Lets abolish using his name and never have to relive that cross eyed ****. I know it will take years to undo his ****ups but we have to start somewhere/time.

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makes u wonder how little DS actually knows about football fml

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People question Bruce's hiring...........Pfft

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This is a great discussion thread here. And reading some of the points from everyone has got me thinking here again.

I have to kind of be Devil's Advocate here, but I know i will get great responses from you guys, i always do.

I get the feeling that Vinny was being very honest about the Zorn situation. They hired him out of desperation from losing the other head coach candidates (Fassell, G. Williams), and felt that they had a good chance to win with the roster they had.

Thinking back to how bad the offense was back then does make me think Vinny is telling the truth. When Sherm arrived, the offense was night and day different, and it confirmed most of our suspicions that Jim Zorn was a horrible play caller. We know for sure Zorn had the chance to relenquish playcalling duties at least 3 weeks before Sherm got here, so what if?? What if Zorn could have swalloed his ego, took the help from Sherm sooner, and the team could have finished at 8-8??

Vinny hit the nail right on the head with Zorn being horrible with the media. Bashing the players on TV was not the right thing to do. It sounds to me like Dan Snyder gave Jim Zorn his fair share of chances to make things work. Cerrato sounds honest when he says they knew Jim was over his head and they were trying to get him help so that they could make things work.

I'm not defending Vinny, he still doomed this franchise, but hearing him say this, and remembering my own memories of "The Zorn Era" kind of makes me think that Cerrato was at least being honest when discribed our helpless former coach. It sounds like they knew mid-season that he wasn't gonna make it, and tried everything they could to get it to work with Zorn as the captain, but in the end, maybe Zorn's own ego/philosophy got in the way...just food for thought,.

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Snake, I agree with much of what you say. But, and maybe it was that I didn't hear it, but my biggest gripe with Cerrato's interview was that he didn't take ownership of the situation. He didn't say I made the decision to go with Zorn. I decided to surround myself with people I perceived would not be a threat to my authority (i.e. Fassel) and it's not on me. He wasn't ready to be a head coach and it was my responsibility as the man in charge to make sure he was.

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[quote=Mattyk;788005]Does Vinny ever own up to any of his mistakes??[/quote]

Matty:

He cannot own up to mistakes that in his own mind he did not make.

"Self-delusional" is kinda the way I would describe Vinny Boombatz...

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It's just hilarious that we're supposed to believe Zorn's downfall was his ego. He was doomed from the start here with Vinny hovering over his every move. There's a reason why Vinny didn't trust Zorn from the start... he knew he was in over his head.

Just F off already, Vinny.

[QUOTE=Monkeydad;788015]Why do people still talk to Vinny? Seriously...[/QUOTE]

Exactly, Vinny should be getting the Steve Bartmen treatment in DC.

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[quote=NC_Skins;788065]I also want to add, that the biggest mistake from the Redskins (second to hiring Vinny) was hiring a offensive and defensive coordinator BEFORE a head coach. No coach in their right mind would ever step foot into a situation like that. They are the ones that hire the offensive/defensive coordinators and to have them already picked?...lol

Who did they expect would want the job? It's exactly why their only resort was Zorn. The ****ing idiots Vinny and Danny. They remind me so much of Dumb and Dumber. They belong together.[/quote]

That Zorn fiasco was a Vinny F-up because they were set to hire fassel until they recieved alot of negative feedback from the fans that caused them to turn away from Jim and scramble.

I think Greg would have been an excellent hire because he had the team leadership behind him and I believe he learned more about what it takes to be a great headcoach from Gibbs.

You don't work with someone that close without having part of their personallity rub off on you.

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[quote=NC_Skins;788029]


You know what's worse than this acting in this movie? Vinny's acting during his time here as the Redskins GM. He failed both roles miserably.[/quote]

Ummm the acting in that movie was amazing. I need to find it on Netflix like right now!

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[quote=diehardskin2982;788216]That Zorn fiasco was a Vinny F-up because they were set to hire fassel until they recieved alot of negative feedback from the fans that caused them to turn away from Jim and scramble.

I think Greg would have been an excellent hire because he had the team leadership behind him and I believe he learned more about what it takes to be a great headcoach from Gibbs.

You don't work with someone that close without having part of their personallity rub off on you.[/quote]

That whole fan revolt stuff is pretty overplayed. Ultimately it was really that Cerrato and Fassel couldn't co-exist. Cerrato couldn't handle it.

Remember Fassel was very nearly our head coach in 2004, but then Gibbs came calling. And how are you going to turn him down?

Then in 2008, Fassel wanted Zorn and Rex Ryan as his coordinators. We couldn't get Ryan but we did get Zorn for Fassel. But then Snyder caved to the whole "let a football guy run the team" mentality (I guess that was the real fan revolt) and let Cerrato-who, like it or not, has plenty of football experience-run Fassel out of town (before he even got here).

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[quote=SmootSmack;788224]That whole fan revolt stuff is pretty overplayed. Ultimately it was really that Cerrato and Fassel couldn't co-exist. Cerrato couldn't handle it.

Remember Fassel was very nearly our head coach in 2004, but then Gibbs came calling. And how are you going to turn him down?

Then in 2008, Fassel wanted Zorn and Rex Ryan as his coordinators. We couldn't get Ryan but we did get Zorn for Fassel. But then Snyder caved to the whole "let a football guy run the team" mentality (I guess that was the real fan revolt) and let Cerrato-who, like it or not, has plenty of football experience-run Fassel out of town (before he even got here).[/quote]

Thats the truth about Cerrato. We dont like him, but the fact is he had plenty of experience and was well qualified to run the football team. Damn, thinking back, i guess Vinny's biggest problem was that he knew the right moves to make for the good of the football team, but he had nobody 'over him" per say, to tell him, hey vinny, maybe we shouldnt spend this much on a guy. Snyder was not a football guy and i guess the true problem was giving Vinny total control.

But as others stated, Vinny should own up to making the mistake of hiring Zorn, when Cerrato, truly being a football guy, knew that Zorn was not cut out for the job.

I looked at Cerrato's work history, and the truth is the man really was involved in good stuff and seemed to do his job well. When he arrived here, his good work ran out. [B] Could Dan Synder just be the end all to why people are never successful here in ANY capacity???[/B]

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[quote=Mattyk;788205]It's just hilarious that we're supposed to believe Zorn's downfall was his ego. He was doomed from the start here with Vinny hovering over his every move. There's a reason why Vinny didn't trust Zorn from the start... he knew he was in over his head.

Just F off already, Vinny.[/quote]


I didn't understand that either. Jim Zorn with a ego? You mean the man that used words like "gosh golly" and "ouchie" is a man with a ego? No, Bill Parcells has a ego. Bill Bellicheat has a ego. Rex Ryan has a ego. Mike Shannahan has a ego. Jim Zorn does not have a ego.


I find some things comical about Vinny.

1) says he had nobody on staff that could call the plays, then rips Zorn for not listening to said incompetent staff

2) Wise asks him who's idea it was to bring in Jeff George after Brad Johnson had that good year. He doesn't recall...lol......in other word's it was Danny boys decision.

3) Considers Joe's second tenure a success...lol

4) Says Joe Gibb's stop calling plays due to media pressure?....lol

5) Says he checked out Haynesworth before the FA signing and that Sherm Smith vouched for his time in Tennessee. Seems that Sherm Smith disagrees 100% with Vinny. In fact, he told them "BUYER BEWARE". A flat out lie by Vinny on the AH signing.
[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/08/24/10/Smith-Cerratos-Recall-Ridiculous/landing.html?blockID=296766&feedID=272]Smith: Cerrato's Recall 'Ridiculous'[/url]

6) Says Schwartz and Spaggs weren't experienced enough to be head coaches, but yet they thought a guy who had never been a coordinator would be a good head coach?....lol

7) You can tell he's lying about Dan's involvement in football matters. He always hesitates before he answers.


[url=http://washington.cbslocal.com/2011/03/08/former-redskins-gm-vinny-cerrato-joins-mike-wise-in-studio/]Former Redskins GM Vinny Cerrato Joins Mike Wise In Studio « CBS Washington[/url]

God I want this guy to get hit by a bus but still live. The best place for Vinny would be in traction in some rehab unit in a hospital right about now.


If I were Jim Zorn, I'd kick Vinny square in the nuts if I ever ran into him again.

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There's a reason why VC's phone will never ring from anyone in this league, other than from Snyder of course. He's a complete FAIL as a GM.

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[quote=NC_Skins;788242]I didn't understand that either. Jim Zorn with a ego? You mean the man that used words like "gosh golly" and "ouchie" is a man with a ego? No, Bill Parcells has a ego. Bill Bellicheat has a ego. Rex Ryan has a ego. Mike Shannahan has a ego. Jim Zorn does not have a ego.


I find some things comical about Vinny.

1) says he had nobody on staff that could call the plays, then rips Zorn for not listening to said incompetent staff

2) Wise asks him who's idea it was to bring in Jeff George after Brad Johnson had that good year. He doesn't recall...lol......in other word's it was Danny boys decision.

3) Considers Joe's second tenure a success...lol

4) Says Joe Gibb's stop calling plays due to media pressure?....lol

5) Says he checked out Haynesworth before the FA signing and that Sherm Smith vouched for his time in Tennessee. Seems that Sherm Smith disagrees 100% with Vinny. In fact, he told them "BUYER BEWARE". A flat out lie by Vinny on the AH signing.
[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/08/24/10/Smith-Cerratos-Recall-Ridiculous/landing.html?blockID=296766&feedID=272]Smith: Cerrato's Recall 'Ridiculous'[/url]

6) Says Schwartz and Spaggs weren't experienced enough to be head coaches, but yet they thought a guy who had never been a coordinator would be a good head coach?....lol

7) You can tell he's lying about Dan's involvement in football matters. He always hesitates before he answers.


[url=http://washington.cbslocal.com/2011/03/08/former-redskins-gm-vinny-cerrato-joins-mike-wise-in-studio/]Former Redskins GM Vinny Cerrato Joins Mike Wise In Studio « CBS Washington[/url]

God I want this guy to get hit by a bus but still live. The best place for Vinny would be in traction in some rehab unit in a hospital right about now.[/quote]

Look at the piece he said about Joe Gibbs. It's hard to say he's lying about that. When the offense struggled during the final games of the 2005 season, and in the playoffs, most people, the media, and myself included, blamed Joe Gibbs for being too conservative. Joe Gibbs, being the man he is, brought in Al Saunders because he started to believe the criticism and wanted to help the team.

When Vinny says if Gibbs called the plays in 2006, that they'd be back in the playoffs, i agree 100%. Seeing how much utter shit we were in 2006 made me eat crow, and i missed the Joe Gibbs offense. Hell it was simple minded, but it worked, was proven, and WON CHAMPIONSHIPS.

Gibbs did get Cerrato high praise to Snyder. that much is true. I dont really believe Joe Gibbs would lie, just to put over the organization on his way out.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;788244]When Vinny says if Gibbs called the plays in 2006, that they'd be back in the playoffs, i agree 100%. Seeing how much utter shit we were in 2006 made me eat crow, and i missed the Joe Gibbs offense. Hell it was simple minded, but it worked, was proven, and WON CHAMPIONSHIPS.[/quote]

That offense won in a different era. One that had bypassed Joe a long time ago. We wouldn't have done any better with Joe calling the plays. As much as it pains Skins fans to say it, Joe was a failure his second go around regardless of those two meaningless playoff appearances. You can't be out of the league for that long and not lose something. What he did bring to this team was respect, hope, and leadership.


[quote=SolidSnake84;788244]Gibbs did get Cerrato high praise to Snyder. that much is true. I dont really believe Joe Gibbs would lie, just to put over the organization on his way out.[/quote]


I don't believe Joe would "lie", but it's hard to be objective when you got people constantly kissing your ass, and that's exactly what people did.

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I really truly feel in my heart that Vinny C. is a dickhead, but i think with spewing alot of his B.S., he gave us alot of truth about how things happened in the organization. Just wait for it, he will trash Dan Snyder before it is all over, and then Vinny will be a hero, lol.

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Snyder is the only supporter VC has... if he trashes him he's even more dumb than we thought.

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I've always felt like Snyder's friendship with Cerrato was not so much about the two if them, but about Snyder's respect for his father who, for whatever reason, was very tight with Vinny.

I know a lot of front offices would welcome VC to be part of their organization and do tge dirty work in the background. He had his first chance to lead here and he failed

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[quote=SmootSmack;788257]I've always felt like Snyder's friendship with Cerrato was not so much about the two if them, but about Snyder's respect for his father who, for whatever reason, was very tight with Vinny.

I know a lot of front offices would welcome VC to be part of their organization and do tge dirty work in the background. He had his first chance to lead here and he failed[/quote]

You really think he could get another NFL job? He was out a year when Marty fired him without a sniff and now he's been out another year. Any sort of personel job with another team could do a lot to rebuild his reputation...I find it hard to believe if there was anything out there for him that he wouldn't jump at it.

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Let me rephrase: I know his football skill set would be welcome. It's everything else he brings that hurts him

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He is still working in football to this day. Mac Brown, from Texas hired him just last month to come in and evaluate the players and serve as a consultant.

A matter of time before he finds work again. He is proven in the NFL to work in the background, with his one shot at true leadership being a failure. It makes me wonder if he would have been any different had he been with another, more winning organization.

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Oh he'll find work in football, just not as a GM again.

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[quote=NC_Skins;788246]That offense won in a different era. One that had bypassed Joe a long time ago. We wouldn't have done any better with Joe calling the plays. As much as it pains Skins fans to say it, Joe was a failure his second go around regardless of those two meaningless playoff appearances. You can't be out of the league for that long and not lose something. What he did bring to this team was respect, hope, and leadership.





I don't believe Joe would "lie", but it's hard to be objective when you got people constantly kissing your ass, and that's exactly what people did.[/quote]

I strongly disagree that Gibbs II was a failure. If you base it on expectations & you thought he'd win a superbowl, then yes he was a failure. But if you simply judge those 4 years by a few seasons before him & a few seasons after him, you see that Gibbs brought this team the only success it's had in the past decade. You have to judge him relative to what he walked into, which was a total mess. If the organization was in better shape to begin, I think he would've taken us further.

Back to Vinny; we can only imagine what Gibbs II tenure would've been like if Vinny wasn't here. I can't claim to know how the power structure operated then, but what everyone says about Vinny is that he always looked out for himself. He couldn't have been good for Gibbs.

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I think we should start a new poll:

Who would you identify as the all-time biggest nemesis to the Redskins organization? (The list of guys we love to hate is actually pretty long; once I got started, it was hard to know where to stop.)

a. Vinny Cerrato
b. Jerry Jones
c. Bill Parcells
d. Randy White
e. Buddy Ryan
f. Michael Irvin
g. Mark Bavaro (every time we play the G-men, I am still expecting to see him in the endzone with the football)

VC has my vote -- he's had more of a negative effect on the team and for a longer time than anyone else. The man is corrosive.

(Others should feel free to add to the list and vote.)

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[quote=Mattyk;788268]Oh he'll find work in football, just not as a GM again.[/quote]

Maybe if Notre Dame continues down into the toilet, they'll give him a shot at doing...[I]something[/I].

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[quote=Mattyk;788268]Oh he'll find work in football, just not as a GM again.[/quote]

I would be surprised if he ever worked for an NFL team again. I could see him in college recruiting or TV/Radio but I can't ever see another NFL team hiring him.

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[quote=redsk1;788004]Vinny hired Zorn. Zorn's a nice guy, but that hire was one of the worst hires possible. Vinnie couldn't hire anyone else, b/c anyone else didn't want to work w/ Vinny. Yes, go away Vinnie, we'd rather not hear your name ever again.[/quote]

We should've and could've hired Greg Williams, Gibbs had a little momentum going he would've built off of. Could have left Al as OC and kept building.

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[quote=horse;788291]We should've and could've hired Greg Williams, Gibbs had a little momentum going he would've built off of. Could have left Al as OC and kept building.[/quote]

Agreed, I was eager to see GW get his 2nd chance as a HC. He was in an ideal position in some respects, he'd earned the respect of Gibbs & players rallied around him, especially after ST's death. Leaving AS in place would've given him the magic 3 years at least to show how the O could do. Would've also given JC a chance to show what he could do w/the same OC.

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^^Amen.

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[quote=calia;788272]I think we should start a new poll:

Who would you identify as the all-time biggest nemesis to the Redskins organization? (The list of guys we love to hate is actually pretty long; once I got started, it was hard to know where to stop.)

a. Vinny Cerrato
b. Jerry Jones
c. Bill Parcells
d. Randy White
e. Buddy Ryan
f. Michael Irvin
g. Mark Bavaro (every time we play the G-men, I am still expecting to see him in the endzone with the football)

VC has my vote -- he's had more of a negative effect on the team and for a longer time than anyone else. The man is corrosive.

(Others should feel free to add to the list and vote.)[/quote]

Roger Staubach

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[quote=freddyg12;788294]Agreed, I was eager to see GW get his 2nd chance as a HC. He was in an ideal position in some respects, he'd earned the respect of Gibbs & players rallied around him, especially after ST's death. Leaving AS in place would've given him the magic 3 years at least to show how the O could do. Would've also given JC a chance to show what he could do w/the same OC.[/quote]

Exactly...and thinking back this is exactly what about 98% of the fan base wanted while dumb and dumber were fumbling around with Fassel & Zorn.

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[quote=freddyg12;788294]Agreed, I was eager to see GW get his 2nd chance as a HC. He was in an ideal position in some respects, he'd earned the respect of Gibbs & players rallied around him, especially after ST's death. Leaving AS in place would've given him the magic 3 years at least to show how the O could do. Would've also given JC a chance to show what he could do w/the same OC.[/quote]

I was too. I mentioned though, i think the reason GW didn't get the gig was the fact that he probably didn't take any sh** from Vinnie and Vinnie didn't like that. GW probably wanted more control than Vinnie was willing to give him.

So, Vinnie hired, then unhired Jim Fassell, then hired Zorn.

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[quote=celts32;788313]Exactly...and thinking back this is exactly what about 98% of the fan base wanted while dumb and dumber were fumbling around with Fassel & Zorn.[/quote]

It was really the craziest fiasco coaching search ever I think. Then, the ending...Zorn. Thud.

I don't know how they could go w/ Zorn over GW. Unbelieveable.

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[quote=redsk1;788323]It was really the craziest fiasco coaching search ever I think. Then, the ending...Zorn. Thud.

I don't know how they could go w/ Zorn over GW. Unbelieveable.[/quote]

Thats a GREAT point. Cerrato throwing out all of this crap about Zorn's ego, when the main reason he got rid of GW was because he knew that GW wouldn't let him run the show unchallenged (3 Pass Catchers *cough*) and on the flip side brought in Zorn because he thought he could control him. Same holds true apparently for why he didn't bring in Fassel. Cerrato was so egotistical that rather then hire a real head coach that might threaten his authority he promoted an offensive coordinator that wasn't even close to ready to run a football team.

The yes man, wanted his own yes man.

On top of that he's terrible with the media and his one real accomplishment in the world of football aside from stealing a couple mil from Redskin fans is that he "convinced" kids in the 80's to attend Notre freaking Dame. Which back then was about as difficult as convincing little kids to eat candy.

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[quote=freddyg12;788294]Agreed, I was eager to see GW get his 2nd chance as a HC. He was in an ideal position in some respects, he'd earned the respect of Gibbs & players rallied around him, especially after ST's death. Leaving AS in place would've given him the magic 3 years at least to show how the O could do. [B][U]Would've also given JC a chance to show what he could do w/the same OC.[/U][/B][/quote]

The bolded part would have never happened with Williams as head coach.


[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/07/AR2008010703548.html]Gibbs Leaves Future Open - washingtonpost.com[/url]


[quote]Gibbs also left open the idea of a quarterback competition between Jason Campbell and Todd Collins -- comments that sent shock waves among many veterans who believe that decision could stunt Campbell's development -- and said that he definitely wants Collins, a potential free agent, back. [/quote]

I assure you, that Gibbs and Williams were on the same page when it came to Jason Campbell. You want to know why Gregg Williams didn't get the job really? It's because Vinny and Snyder wanted JC the unquestioned starter because of all that was invested in him, and hence some of the clashes with Williams/Cerrato and why other coaches declined the job.

There is a insider on another forum and here was what he had to say about the situation.


[quote]no that is not speculating. Williams during his interviews was on the same page as Gibbs was actually. Williams was going to keep Saunders and give him 100% control of the offense and there was going to be a open competion for the starters job in camp but Williams leant toward Collins because he made the overall team more effective. Campbell vs Collins was a issue as some felt Campbell was a franchise QB that just needed proper grooming. Williams wouldn't guarantee Campbell the starter for this season and people didn't like that. Why do you think the first thing Zorn said after his maroon and black comment was Campbell is my Unquestioned starter during his press conference[/quote]


I always knew that Vinny and Dan had to press the JC starting issue for a QB minded coach to come in and name JC the unquestioned starter without reviewing tape or seeing any of them in practice. Notice Shanny didn't do this.

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Snyder selected Vinny Ceratto over Gregg Williams. What a strange time that was.
I remember being so pissed off when I read the article below, I immediately went on the warpath and posted my hate for VC and Snyder. Some of you guys told me to be patient and give VC a couple of years to run the team his way and show what he could do. I knew it was wrong then.
Typical of the VC era in DC, someone (vinny) leaked to the press that Williams was disrespectful to Gibbs in his interview. Williams confronted Vinny and DS and they both denied Williams was ever disrespectful to Gibbs. Pussy's!

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/26/AR2008012602356.html?sid=ST2008012602667]WILLIAMS: After Four Years and Four Interviews, He's 'Released' - washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;788327]The bolded part would have never happened with Williams as head coach.


[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/07/AR2008010703548.html"]Gibbs Leaves Future Open - washingtonpost.com[/URL]




I assure you, that Gibbs and Williams were on the same page when it came to Jason Campbell. You want to know why Gregg Williams didn't get the job really? It's because Vinny and Snyder wanted JC the unquestioned starter because of all that was invested in him, and hence some of the clashes with Williams/Cerrato and why other coaches declined the job.

There is a insider on another forum and here was what he had to say about the situation.





I always knew that Vinny and Dan had to press the JC starting issue for a QB minded coach to come in and name JC the unquestioned starter without reviewing tape or seeing any of them in practice. Notice Shanny didn't do this.[/quote]

Glad my comment drew some reaction! Still, if GW was hired JC would've been in "open competition" for the job. Moreso, Al Saunders deserved that next year after getting Collins to move the team in that late 07 run. I would've loved to see how that would've played out.

Ironic that a year later the danny was looking to replace JC at every turn.

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By the way can anyone give me a ball park figure of how much Cerrato made during his 10 years here in DC? I heard somewhere that the average salary for a GM in the NFL is something like $600,000.