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McNabb is mentally damaged goods (ego, self esteem, embarrassment).
There's no way we'll keep him.

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Football is a business, feelings do not matter.

If the year is shortened or there is a lockout from training camp or even post-draft activities, any team who drafted a QB and can't work with them is already in for a lost year. Plus, there's uncertainty with FA and when it might happen and how and even so, it's a crappy FA year talent-wise at QB...one of the worst I can remember.

Teams with starter-caliber QBs already on the roster should be less-inclined to make a change. Like it or not, McNabb is still a starter in the league. He does know the playbook even if he didn't catch on quick enough last year and he's a professional...so you can bet he's been working on the playbook and not sitting on his butt like Haynesworth. He's also professional enough to say that he signed the contract, so he's going to play it out. I don't see him as the type to cry and bail on us. He wants to be on the field.

When he was benched last year, the season was already lost in terms of the playoffs. Mike Shanahan said that he was going to play bench players and evaluate talent for the next season if that happened and he did. Sure, they bumbled the process in the eyes of the media who was just digging for a new controversy since Fat Al was no longer a story...but he did what he said he would. I didn't see the problem or any handwriting on the wall that McNabb was off the team in the future.

I think it's way overblown and honestly, since this is not a normal offseason and could be a lost offseason for developing a new QB whether from FA or the draft. it would be the best route to stick with McNabb for another year. He'll be in year #2 of the system, he can't possibly decline from his disaster of 2010.

Lets use our draft picks on other, more urgent needs like both lines, possibly a WR and 3-4 LBs. We should be focusing more on helping the personnel transition to the 3-4. With a solid D and McNabb, we can win. With another 31st-ranked D and a rookie QB who couldn't work on the offense in TC, we're toast and will be wishing for another 6-10 season.

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I agree the McNabb situation was blown out of proportion. I still lean towards him not being here next year, but I wouldn't completely rule out his return either.

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Coach should have TOLD MCNABB first about when the benching was going to happen, but other than that bad oversight, everything went as it was planned out and already stated publicly.

Besides, McNabb wasn't going to make it 16 games last year regardless, he was limping around all season. Early in the year, I was impressed with his running, he looked better than he had for 5 years, but he got hurt. Pulling him actually points MORE to him being in the short-term plan than not, because it was protecting him.

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[quote=Monkeydad;790647]Smith has proven he can't be a starting QB. He's had more chances than anyone else.

Please no. I'll take Rex.


In reality, I think we're keeping McNabb.[/quote]

He's the west coast Jason Campbell...meaning he's had to deal with change every year...meaning I'm surprised you would so easily write him off

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[quote=SmootSmack;790656]He's the west coast Jason Campbell...meaning he's had to deal with change every year...meaning I'm surprised you would so easily write him off[/quote]

Campbell shows some upside...Smith had a great college career but has shown no ability to play at the NFL level.

JC never had a 1 TD. 11 INT season. Campbell can run, Smith is a statue. Campbell is tough, Smith is injury-prone. The only real similarity is their lack of a consistent offensive scheme.

JC = 68 TD/46 INT, 60.8 COMP%
AS = 51 TD/53 INT, 57.1 COMP%

I've given Campbell more chances because I've seen he can play. He had a great year in Oakland...better than our QBs.

Smith has looked like garbage every chance he's had. He's had a longer leash than I've ever seen, but a team will tend to do that with such a financial investment in one guy.

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[quote=Monkeydad;790652]Football is a business, feelings do not matter.

If the year is shortened or there is a lockout from training camp or even post-draft activities, any team who drafted a QB and can't work with them is already in for a lost year. Plus, there's uncertainty with FA and when it might happen and how and even so, it's a crappy FA year talent-wise at QB...one of the worst I can remember.

Teams with starter-caliber QBs already on the roster should be less-inclined to make a change. Like it or not, McNabb is still a starter in the league. He does know the playbook even if he didn't catch on quick enough last year and he's a professional...so you can bet he's been working on the playbook and not sitting on his butt like Haynesworth. He's also professional enough to say that he signed the contract, so he's going to play it out. I don't see him as the type to cry and bail on us. He wants to be on the field.

When he was benched last year, the season was already lost in terms of the playoffs. Mike Shanahan said that he was going to play bench players and evaluate talent for the next season if that happened and he did. Sure, they bumbled the process in the eyes of the media who was just digging for a new controversy since Fat Al was no longer a story...but he did what he said he would. I didn't see the problem or any handwriting on the wall that McNabb was off the team in the future.

I think it's way overblown and honestly, since this is not a normal offseason and could be a lost offseason for developing a new QB whether from FA or the draft. it would be the best route to stick with McNabb for another year. He'll be in year #2 of the system, he can't possibly decline from his disaster of 2010.

Lets use our draft picks on other, more urgent needs like both lines, possibly a WR and 3-4 LBs. We should be focusing more on helping the personnel transition to the 3-4. With a solid D and McNabb, we can win. With another 31st-ranked D and a rookie QB who couldn't work on the offense in TC, we're toast and will be wishing for another 6-10 season.[/quote]

I think you're looking at it from a short term perspective. And in that sense, sure keeping McNabb or even Grossman would help. But in a way it would be a blessing if we were able to draft a QB this year who could just sit and learn for a season without any pressure to be thrown into the fire now. In the long run, we need to improve our QB position even it means passing on a quick fix at some other position now (for example taking Phil Taylor). I'd rather be 6-10 in 2011 and 10-6 in 2012. Then 8-8 in 2011 and 6-10 in 2011.

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[quote=Monkeydad;790659]Campbell shows some upside...Smith had a great college career but has shown no ability to play at the NFL level.

JC never had a 1 TD. 11 INT season. Campbell can run, Smith is a statue. Campbell is tough, Smith is injury-prone. The only real similarity is their lack of a consistent offensive scheme.

JC = 68 TD/46 INT, 60.8 COMP%
AS = 51 TD/53 INT, 57.1 COMP%

I've given Campbell more chances because I've seen he can play. He had a great year in Oakland...better than our QBs.

Smith has looked like garbage every chance he's had. He's had a longer leash than I've ever seen, but a team will tend to do that with such a financial investment in one guy.[/quote]

Well I disagree with many of your points, but I don't want to turn this into a Campbell thread. So I'll just leave it at we disagree

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You're right, if we do draft a QB, he needs to sit for the year and learn. Even so, learning under McNabb may not be a bad idea.

He HAS been to a Super Bowl and a ton of NFC Championships. Would we prefer that Rex Grossman the blooper machine teach the future leader of our team?

From a mentoring standpoint, McNabb is still the best option.


I just do not see any scenario other than financial possibly, that would make sense to part ways with McNabb. We gave up a lot to get him, we might as well give it a chance to work, if even for one year as a transition to a young QB as a long-term solution.

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[quote=Mattyk;790613]Given the choice I would definitely take Grossman. 3 years under his belt now in this system, he would be the better choice in the short run as a potential starter.[/quote]

Ideally I would say Smith, but nothing is "ideal" about our qb situation, so I agree w/you that the 3 years Rex has in it would make him a better short-term answer. Bringing in yet another vet qb might be subtraction by addition; having a rookie learn w/a clipboard can't be as effective when the vet starter is new as well. Not to mention, it would change the chemistry of the team once again.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;790590]How is Smith better than Grossman folks? Seriously[/quote]

I am not sold on Smith and this response was my first response. However, perhaps Smith has greater upside than the Rexster.

We know what we are getting with Rex - good one week, a train wreck the next. Multiple turnovers. And Rex has hit his ceiling - he is not going to get any better.

Smith, on the other hand, could be one of those players who blooms with a change of scenery. He could get much better and really contribute.

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[quote=Monkeydad;790662]You're right, if we do draft a QB, he needs to sit for the year and learn. Even so, learning under McNabb may not be a bad idea.

He HAS been to a Super Bowl and a ton of NFC Championships. Would we prefer that Rex Grossman the blooper machine teach the future leader of our team?

From a mentoring standpoint, McNabb is still the best option.


I just do not see any scenario other than financial possibly, that would make sense to part ways with McNabb. We gave up a lot to get him, we might as well give it a chance to work, if even for one year as a transition to a young QB as a long-term solution.[/quote]

I think the financial reason to move him now could be pretty significant. There's no better time than now to move him. It sucks because we gave up so much for him, but it may be the best of a bad situation.

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Too early to write off Alex Smith. He was very young when he came in the league and hasn't had the best circumstances under which to develop in SF. Who knows, maybe Harbaugh keeps him and all of this is moot?

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[quote=Lotus;790668]I am not sold on Smith and this response was my first response. However, perhaps Smith has greater upside than the Rexster.

We know what we are getting with Rex - good one week, a train wreck the next. Multiple turnovers. And Rex has hit his ceiling - he is not going to get any better.

Smith, on the other hand, could be one of those players who blooms with a change of scenery. He could get much better and really contribute.[/quote]

Which is sort of my feeling as well. Yes, we're probably fine with Rex for another year. But what's his upside really? He's just a placeholder. But with Smith maybe, just maybe, we find a guy who as you say needs a change of scenery and will just be 27 years old

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[quote=Lotus;790668]I am not sold on Smith and this response was my first response. However, perhaps Smith has greater upside than the Rexster.

We know what we are getting with Rex - good one week, a train wreck the next. Multiple turnovers. And Rex has hit his ceiling - he is not going to get any better.

Smith, on the other hand, could be one of those players who blooms with a change of scenery. He could get much better and really contribute.[/quote]

Yes! This is the exact reason why Smith should be the choice over Rex. At best Rex will be okay and we could go 8-8. if were wrong and Smith is a bust then we win 5 or 6 games...whats the difference? It's better to roll the dice that Smith could turn into something good.

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^ 8-8 is right. I don't see us going anywhere meaningful with Rex. Ever.

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[quote=Lotus;790683]^ 8-8 is right. I don't see us going anywhere meaningful with Rex. Ever.[/quote]


WE won't go anywhere with any QB unless he's a rookie in this draft imo. Alex Smith has had 3 different OC's and he still sucks. Might as well have JC back

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[quote=Masshole;790491]The other thing is, demand seems to be far outpacing supply for quarterbacks in this draft. If we could get Gabbert or Newton that's one thing, but they're not going to fall to us, so we're not going to get good value with our pick, and really, nothing would be worse than us REACHING during this draft, when we have so many needs to fill. And if 5 of the poorer teams in the league all draft quarterbacks this year, the 5 guys most talked about, plus Dalton and Kapaernick all going in the 1st 2 rounds, seems to stand to reason that demand for quarterbacks should drop next year, when the supply will be better. So we can get the best value rather than reaching for someone this year/trading away a key pick from next year to the Patriots to move from 41 to 33 (or 28), to take Locker or Ponder, who the jury is very much still out on.[/quote]

Some mocks have us going with Ponder from FSU, which to me personally wouldn't be such a bad option. I know Sam Bradford looks like he will be a stud, but most of these high profile guys do not make an impact. Look at the two QBs with the most rings the past decade: Big Ben and Brady. Both were considered low end QB prospects. Big Ben did garner more press than Tom, but still wasn't near the ludicrous level of Cam Newton. This kid(Newton) has a huge ass head, but not too sure if he has much of a brain in it though.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;790711]WE won't go anywhere with any QB unless he's a rookie in this draft imo. Alex Smith has had 3 different OC's and he still sucks. Might as well have JC back[/quote]


I say draft a QB in 2011 and 2012. Going for failed free agents all the time is boring and usually is just a "treading water" strategy that leads us nowhere.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;790744]I say draft a QB in 2011 and 2012. Going for failed free agents all the time is boring and usually is just a "treading water" strategy that leads us nowhere.[/quote]


Yeah I'm sorry but the whole Alex Smith talk sounds ridiculous to me, idk how any skins fan would want Smith behind center next year.. Just keep Rex if thats the case

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I still don't see how Alex Smith/Bruce Gradkowski are better option then Tarvaris Jackson or Troy Smith.

And when it comes to Rex I would rather give Matt Lienart or John Beck a shot then go with Rex Grossman.

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30GUT

I'd rather have Vince Young than those guys seriously

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[quote=Monkeydad;790659]I've given Campbell more chances because I've seen he can play. He had a great year in Oakland...better than our QBs..[/quote]



Great year? Got the numbers to back that up? Anybody still thinking JC is anything other than a backup should be examined.

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JC was 7-5 as starter for the Raiders, can't hate on that.

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[quote=Chico23231;790578]Id be up for bringing him in over both of them too. The only reason Id be up for A. Smith over Grossman is like someone said b4, upside. I think we saw what we got with Rexy in this offense at the end of the year. I really couldnt guage Smith in this offense, but jesus christ San Fran has been HORRIBLE for a long time. He's due for a change of scenery, he would be next to nothing to bring in. Little risk.[/quote]


But, what Grossman showed us is that a younger guy and familiarity with the offense is better than the Brunell's of the football world.

Tell me I'm wrong, but I got the feeling McNabb was not being honest with us when given his chances at QB for us. I had this feeling he was holding back (purposely) because I saw him play better while in Philly. I know, he was in the same offense for 11 seasons and should have played better.

I wish the Skins can learn a lesson here. That being enough with retread QBs, they usually don't work out.

I think Grossman is the best option right now for the Skins. He knows the offense. Bringing in someone else at QB is like starting all over again. Far too many growing pains. Solve the problems at NT, Center and RT with the draft.

Get the best LBs available in FA. Stop kidding ourselves, we don't have enough picks for our needs. Picking a first or second round QB is a luxury we cannot afford.

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[quote=Mattyk;790775]JC was 7-5 as starter for the Raiders, can't hate on that.[/quote]

Not if you don't mind not having a good enough record to get into the playoff. I want a QB that can take me there, not NEAR there. This ain't horseshoes, close doesn't count.

PS Why do all of you guys want Smith so bad? He has more career INT than TDs and his best career completion percentage just barely ekes over 60%. Not to mention his best career QB rating is 80.

I'm sorry but he IS the west coast Jason Campbell. And if you are okay with a .500 record or slightly over at best, go for it, but I want someone that can take me to the promise land. At least Rex has three years in this system.

Why isn't anyone talking about Kyle Orton? I've been telling everyone all offseason we need to bring him in here. He is WAY better than any of the GoodWill QBs you guys are trying to donate to the team.

Reality check. Established, quality FAs or youthful draftees are the only two ways we should be moving here. Anything else is just sideways at best, but more likely backwards. Kaepernick, Dalton, or Ponder from the draft with a combo of Kyle Orton would put this team in the right direction.

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[quote=SkinzWin;790788]Not if you don't mind not having a good enough record to get into the playoff. I want a QB that can take me there, not NEAR there. This ain't horseshoes, close doesn't count.

PS Why do all of you guys want Smith so bad? He has more career INT than TDs and his best career completion percentage just barely ekes over 60%. Not to mention his best career QB rating is 80.

I'm sorry but he IS the west coast Jason Campbell. And if you are okay with a .500 record or slightly over at best, go for it, but I want someone that can take me to the promise land. At least Rex has three years in this system.

Why isn't anyone talking about Kyle Orton? I've been telling everyone all offseason we need to bring him in here. He is WAY better than any of the GoodWill QBs you guys are trying to donate to the team.

Reality check. Established, quality FAs or youthful draftees are the only two ways we should be moving here. Anything else is just sideways at best, but more likely backwards. Kaepernick, Dalton, or Ponder from the draft with a combo of Kyle Orton would put this team in the right direction.[/quote]


Dude I've said the same things, Orton is way better than Smith, look at record and stats not even close.. Some want smith because he was a former number 1 pick that "may" pan out somewhere else.. No thanks, the guy sucks plain and simple. He was overrated in college and the 9ers to the bait.

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I feel like I inadvertently created a monster with the Alex Smith speculation I started a couple of months back. Let me repeat, there's no official rumor tying the Redskins to Smith.

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[quote=SmootSmack;790797]I feel like I inadvertently created a monster with the Alex Smith speculation I started a couple of months back. Let me repeat, there's no official rumor tying the Redskins to Smith.[/quote]


Now you've really done it lol

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From KC Joyner "The Football Scientist" last summer

n Malcolm Gladwell's brilliant book "Outliers," he makes the case that while there are many factors that go into whether or not a person will be successful, the overriding factor seems to be opportunity. Gladwell shows how getting a lucky break and landing multiple long-term gigs in Hamburg, Germany, for example, gave the Beatles an opportunity to put in the necessary hours to hone their skills to an elite level.

He also notes how Bill Gates benefited greatly from the state-of-the-art computer lab his high school installed in 1968. Gladwell said that Gates admitted he was probably one of the few people in the entire world with access to the type of computer he was able to start using when he was 13 years old.

This mindset and focus on opportunity can also be applied to the case of San Francisco 49ers quarterback Alex Smith. The official word coming from the 49ers is that Smith will be the starter in 2010, but their frequent use of words like "confidence" and "comfortable", along with Jed York's comment that "we believe in Alex," combine to make it sound like they are at some level hesitant to give Smith more opportunities.

The odd part about this is there are multiple metric and statistical reasons to think that Smith is already among the top 50 percent of quarterbacks in the NFL.

Let's start with his performance in the passer rating category. Smith was able to post a rating of 88 or better in six of his 11 games last season. If we look at the rest of the league, we find that only 16 of the 32 qualifying quarterbacks (14 passes per game being the bar to rank to as a qualifier) bettered this total, but that doesn't take into account that every other quarterback ranking ahead of him on that list played in at least 14 games.

If we prorate Smith's percentage of games with an 88 or better mark (54.5 percent) over a 16-game season, it equates to roughly nine games. There were only 11 passers with more 88-plus games last year and that doesn't take into account that Smith could improve upon that mark as he develops his skills.

Smith also fared quite well in various passing yards per attempt (YPA) metric categories last season. His 13.4 deep pass (balls thrown 20-29 yards downfield) YPA ranked 11th in the league and placed him slightly behind Donovan McNabb (13.6) and slightly ahead of Peyton Manning (13.1).

It gets even better for Smith when looking at his 2009 bomb pass numbers (a bomb pass being an aerial thrown 30-plus yards downfield). Smith's 25.3 YPA mark here was the best in the league. There is a caveat in that Smith did throw only 11 of these passes, but it still bodes extremely well for what his statistics in this area could look like over the course of an entire season.

Even in the areas where he struggled last year, there is more than a little reason to believe he could show immediate significant improvement. The most compelling of these is his short pass totals.

The bad news on this front is that Smith's 5.4 mark in short pass YPA ranked 31st in the league last season, but that needs to be put into some perspective. The median short pass YPA last season was 6.4 yards, so adding merely one yard of YPA here would move Smith from near the bottom of the league to right in the middle. (It is also worth noting the three quarterbacks who posted the 6.4 median short pass YPA mark in 2009 -- Drew Brees, Matt Ryan and Manning.)

This is notable because it wasn't a lack of accuracy or even completions that stunted Smith's short pass YPA. His 75.7 percent short pass success rate (a metric that divides completions and defensive penalty pass plays into short pass attempts) ranked 16th in the league, or right in the aforementioned middle.

So if Smith's issue wasn't completions, what caused the short pass woes? There were multiple problems but one primary cause was Michael Crabtree. Crabtree gained only 169 yards on 39 short passes last year -- that's only 4.3 YPA. That total ranked him 85th of 88 qualifying receivers. Given Crabtree's superior college resume on short passes, it would come as a shock if he didn't see a huge jump in this number in 2010. If that happens, it alone could probably account for the half-yard improvement Smith needs in this area.

What all of this means is that Smith may already be in the midst of his Beatles/Hamburg or Gates/computer lab phase. If that is the case, it is worth noting one of Gladwell's other success components, which is the 10,000-hour rule. Numerous studies show that true mastery of a field does not occur until one puts in 10,000 hours of work within it.

The frequent changes made to the 49ers' offensive coaching staff during Smith's first five years in the league mean that he probably hasn't reached the necessary 10,000-hour benchmark under the current coaching regime. The numbers say it would behoove the 49ers to do all they can to get him to that mark as soon as possible. If they do, they might end up with one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.

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[quote=SmootSmack;790800]From KC Joyner "The Football Scientist" last summer

n Malcolm Gladwell's brilliant book "Outliers," he makes the case that while there are many factors that go into whether or not a person will be successful, the overriding factor seems to be opportunity. Gladwell shows how getting a lucky break and landing multiple long-term gigs in Hamburg, Germany, for example, gave the Beatles an opportunity to put in the necessary hours to hone their skills to an elite level.

He also notes how Bill Gates benefited greatly from the state-of-the-art computer lab his high school installed in 1968. Gladwell said that Gates admitted he was probably one of the few people in the entire world with access to the type of computer he was able to start using when he was 13 years old.

This mindset and focus on opportunity can also be applied to the case of San Francisco 49ers quarterback Alex Smith. The official word coming from the 49ers is that Smith will be the starter in 2010, but their frequent use of words like "confidence" and "comfortable", along with Jed York's comment that "we believe in Alex," combine to make it sound like they are at some level hesitant to give Smith more opportunities.

The odd part about this is there are multiple metric and statistical reasons to think that Smith is already among the top 50 percent of quarterbacks in the NFL.

Let's start with his performance in the passer rating category. Smith was able to post a rating of 88 or better in six of his 11 games last season. If we look at the rest of the league, we find that only 16 of the 32 qualifying quarterbacks (14 passes per game being the bar to rank to as a qualifier) bettered this total, but that doesn't take into account that every other quarterback ranking ahead of him on that list played in at least 14 games.

If we prorate Smith's percentage of games with an 88 or better mark (54.5 percent) over a 16-game season, it equates to roughly nine games. There were only 11 passers with more 88-plus games last year and that doesn't take into account that Smith could improve upon that mark as he develops his skills.

Smith also fared quite well in various passing yards per attempt (YPA) metric categories last season. His 13.4 deep pass (balls thrown 20-29 yards downfield) YPA ranked 11th in the league and placed him slightly behind Donovan McNabb (13.6) and slightly ahead of Peyton Manning (13.1).

It gets even better for Smith when looking at his 2009 bomb pass numbers (a bomb pass being an aerial thrown 30-plus yards downfield). Smith's 25.3 YPA mark here was the best in the league. There is a caveat in that Smith did throw only 11 of these passes, but it still bodes extremely well for what his statistics in this area could look like over the course of an entire season.

Even in the areas where he struggled last year, there is more than a little reason to believe he could show immediate significant improvement. The most compelling of these is his short pass totals.

The bad news on this front is that Smith's 5.4 mark in short pass YPA ranked 31st in the league last season, but that needs to be put into some perspective. The median short pass YPA last season was 6.4 yards, so adding merely one yard of YPA here would move Smith from near the bottom of the league to right in the middle. (It is also worth noting the three quarterbacks who posted the 6.4 median short pass YPA mark in 2009 -- Drew Brees, Matt Ryan and Manning.)

This is notable because it wasn't a lack of accuracy or even completions that stunted Smith's short pass YPA. His 75.7 percent short pass success rate (a metric that divides completions and defensive penalty pass plays into short pass attempts) ranked 16th in the league, or right in the aforementioned middle.

So if Smith's issue wasn't completions, what caused the short pass woes? There were multiple problems but one primary cause was Michael Crabtree. Crabtree gained only 169 yards on 39 short passes last year -- that's only 4.3 YPA. That total ranked him 85th of 88 qualifying receivers. Given Crabtree's superior college resume on short passes, it would come as a shock if he didn't see a huge jump in this number in 2010. If that happens, it alone could probably account for the half-yard improvement Smith needs in this area.

What all of this means is that Smith may already be in the midst of his Beatles/Hamburg or Gates/computer lab phase. If that is the case, it is worth noting one of Gladwell's other success components, which is the 10,000-hour rule. Numerous studies show that true mastery of a field does not occur until one puts in 10,000 hours of work within it.

The frequent changes made to the 49ers' offensive coaching staff during Smith's first five years in the league mean that he probably hasn't reached the necessary 10,000-hour benchmark under the current coaching regime. The numbers say it would behoove the 49ers to do all they can to get him to that mark as soon as possible. If they do, they might end up with one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.[/quote]



He couldn't do anything under Norv so he still sucks imo.. sorry I just won't be convinced, rather have JC

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[quote=skinsfaninok;790801]He couldn't do anything under Norv so he still sucks imo.. sorry I just won't be convinced, rather have JC[/quote]

jeez he was only with Turner for one year and it was just his 2nd season in the league. I think he showed a lot of improvement under Norv from year 1 to year 2.

[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/49ers-quarterback-Alex-Smith-struggled-when-Norv-Turner-left-in-2007-15494529]49ers quarterback Alex Smith struggled when Norv Turner left in 2007 - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN[/url]

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[quote=SkinzWin;790788]Not if you don't mind not having a good enough record to get into the playoff. I want a QB that can take me there, not NEAR there. This ain't horseshoes, close doesn't count.[/quote]

The Raiders went from 5-11 to 8-8, and on top of that went 6-0 in the division. Pretty nice improvement if you ask me. JC was a big part of that. Give him some credit.

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[quote=Mattyk;790802]jeez he was only with Turner for one year and it was just his [B]2nd season in the league[/B]. I think he showed a lot of improvement under Norv from year 1 to year 2.

[URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/49ers-quarterback-Alex-Smith-struggled-when-Norv-Turner-left-in-2007-15494529"]49ers quarterback Alex Smith struggled when Norv Turner left in 2007 - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN[/URL][/quote]


So now that he's in his 7th season, whats his excuse? Guy sucks man period.

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[quote=Mattyk;790803]The Raiders went from 5-11 to 8-8, and on top of that went 6-0 in the division. Pretty nice improvement if you ask me. JC was a big part of that. Give him some credit.[/quote]

I did. Credit that he can make a team mediocre, average, run of the mill, however you want to say it. Until Jason Campbell or Alex Smith prove they can make a playoff run and actually do something other than play averagely, then I maintain what I have said about them... Just because a guy was a #1 overall pick, or has had a different offensive system every year doesn't mean they will be a great QB. I think they have had the opportunity to show what they have and while they are serviceable, they have not proved they are a top level QB capable of taking a team to the next level. Is Smith paying you to do his PR?

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

[quote=30gut;790751]I still don't see how Alex Smith/Bruce Gradkowski are better option then Tarvaris Jackson or Troy Smith.

And when it comes to Rex I would rather give Matt Lienart or John Beck a shot then go with Rex Grossman.[/quote]


All of them are backups, nothing more.

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;790799]Now you've really done it lol[/quote]

LOL...no the real monster would be if I told you which NFL QB they are actually seriously interested in...provided this CBA can get sorted out.

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

[quote=SmootSmack;790864]LOL...no the real monster would be if I told you which NFL QB they are actually seriously interested in...provided this CBA can get sorted out.[/quote]


FU SS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL PM me please!!!!!:angry-smi

I bet I have a good guess

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;790769]30GUT

I'd rather have Vince Young than those guys seriously[/quote]Forgot all about Vince put him in there too and they're all at least as good or in Vince's case better options then those suggested in the article and better then Rex.

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

[quote=Mattyk;790775]JC was 7-5 as starter for the Raiders, can't hate on that.[/quote]Some fans are always gonna point the finger of blame at Campbell despite putting up decent numbers in 2009 in a nearly untenable situation his stats were nearly identical to Carson Palmer despite playing in pure chaos.