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Legalize 'em -- all of them. It'll never happen, of course.

The War on Drugs is government's permission slip to snoop on our finances, to stop us if we're carrying too much cash, seize that cash, to burst through our front door in the middle of the night, to shoot our dog, to search our cars, ... on and on ...

It's also been very effective at chipping away at that pesky 4th amendment. Plus it ensures that cash continues to flow to the police departments, gives lots of government tax-feeders with plenty to do (not to mention the police union reps employed). It gives a reason for SWAT teams to exist -- making sure that after-market paramilitary equipment doesn't go to waste. The asset forfeiture laws give police departments all sorts of cool toys to play with, without even needing a guilty verdict preceding the forfeiture of the toys... It keeps the prison popluation up, keeps prison guards employed...

In other words, this endless, highly expensive "War" is just another way to keep the serfs in line, and provides the justification for tax dollars to continue to be sucked up by government.

It's a HUGE racket, and politicians aren't about to give that up.

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The headline sounded misleading to me ... I just didn't trust what it was saying. So I looked up who these WORLD LEADERS were. Former politicians from Columbia, Mexico & Brazil.
Kinda sounds like the world leaders of DRUNKS AGAINST MAD MOTHERS saying that efforts against drunk driving are wrong.

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[quote=Beemnseven;805772]Legalize 'em -- all of them. It'll never happen, of course. [/quote]

I think marijuana should be legalized, not any hardcore drugs. I do however think we should decriminalize possession of hardcore drugs (anything other than selling).


[quote=Beemnseven;805772]The War on Drugs is government's permission slip to snoop on our finances, to stop us if we're carrying too much cash, seize that cash, to burst through our front door in the middle of the night, to shoot our dog, to search our cars, ... on and on ... [/quote]

You are a bit off on this. Actually, the war on drugs is a effort on the behalf of lobbyist from the Tobacco, Alcohol, and other pharmaceutical industry. Know who the Partnership for a Drug-Free America is? Up until 1997, they were receiving millions of dollars from the alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceutical companies. Now, they only take checks from the pharmaceutical companies...lol OOOOoohh...the irony.

[url=http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1390]Pot Boiler[/url]

[quote]For a group fighting drug abuse, the Partnership has taken cash from some odd parties—including American Brands (Jim Beam whiskey), Philip Morris (Marlboro and Virginia Slims cigarettes, Miller beer), Anheuser Busch (Budweiser, Michelob, Busch beer), R.J. Reynolds (Camel, Salem, Winston cigarettes), as well as pharmaceutical firms Bristol Meyers-Squibb, Merck & Company and Proctor & Gamble (Marin Institute Backgrounder, 2/97).

The Partnership recently announced it will quit its alcohol and tobacco habit but will continue to mainline pharmaceutical checks (Village Voice, 3/12/97). And its silence continues on America’s deadliest drug problems: tobacco (400,000 annual deaths), alcohol (100,000, including 20,000 from drunken driving), and pharmaceuticals (6,000 to 9,000).[/quote]

It's always been about money and greed and keeping their foothold in the market of consumers. It's never been about stopping drugs or helping the people.


[quote=Beemnseven;805772]It's also been very effective at chipping away at that pesky 4th amendment. [/quote]

The War on Terrorism has eroded more civil liberties than anything. LOL PATRIOT ACT.

[quote=Beemnseven;805772]It's a HUGE racket, and politicians aren't about to give that up.[/quote]

It is a huge racket, and politicians are going to keep taking those lobbyist checks to keep that policy intact.

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[quote=NC_Skins;805794]

You are a bit off on this. Actually, the war on drugs is a effort on the behalf of lobbyist from the Tobacco, Alcohol, and other pharmaceutical industry. Know who the Partnership for a Drug-Free America is? Up until 1997, they were receiving millions of dollars from the alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceutical companies. Now, they only take checks from the pharmaceutical companies...lol OOOOoohh...the irony.

[/quote]

My point wasn't off at all. You're correct, as far as big pharma goes. They like the War on Drugs too, but it doesn't negate my point. They like it because it stifles competition from other mind-altering substances, but government likes it even better because it's a great tool for keeping their eyes on our business and their boots on our throats.

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[quote=Dogtag;805779]The headline sounded misleading to me ... I just didn't trust what it was saying. So I looked up who these WORLD LEADERS were. Former politicians from Columbia, Mexico & Brazil.
Kinda sounds like the world leaders of DRUNKS AGAINST MAD MOTHERS saying that efforts against drunk driving are wrong.[/quote]

your statement doesn't really make any sense and you obviously didn't take much time to look it up. this is one of the first links after you google war on drugs failed. and fyi paul volcker was chair of the fed reserve under carter and regan and was an economic advisor to obama, schltz was sec of state under regan, if you actually cared.


The 19-member commission includes former presidents of Mexico, Brazil and Colombia, Greece's prime minister, former U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, former U.S. officials George P. Schultz and Paul Volcker form, the writers Carlos Fuentes and Mario Vargas Llosa, and British billionaire Richard Branson.


Read more on myFOXdfw.com: [url=http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/national/060211-panel%3A-war-on-drugs-failed,-regulate-marijuana#ixzz1OSLyBmdE]Panel: War on Drugs Failed, Regulate Marijuana[/url]

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I think the war on drugs is a big wast of money and not even sure why we spend so much money and effort on the war against drugs. With that said I have no problem if the make some lagal but don't then turn arround and ask me to pay for peoples addiction to drugs.

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[quote=NC_Skins;805750]LOL. Are you serious? Have you been to Iraq or do you know anybody that lives there? So you are taking their GDP and assuming they are living the good life. I imagine most Iraqis would tell you to go to hell. You want to know about that GDP? It's the oil my man. The whole reason we were there. The country is still in turmoil and you now have civil wars between the sunni and shiite. I can see Iraq has turned into a regular Dubai. *rolls eyes*

Man. I'm ready to pack up and roll to Iraq so I can live the good life!! Hear, listen from the good people of Iraq if you don't believe me.

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You really are delusional if you believe the Iraqi people are better off.
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just out of curiosity have you ever been to iraq? i hate to go of subject but felt i should say something. i was in iraq i was there for almost a year, and i can tell you from my experience in country that they are much better off now than they were before we got there.

you can take a video of some people pissed that we are there but what does that prove? i bet i could walk down my street and find enough people to make a pretty shitty video of people who hate obama, the other half would hate bush. but you know what, i could make that video and do whatever i wanted with it because thats the beauty of a free country. sure it's shitty over in iraq right now, but at least they are in the process of building a free democracy.

i'm not saying i agree or disagree in any way with what all took place but to say they are not better off than they were before walking around in fear i don't understand. yes the country is still in turmoil but they are making progress as a country and are far better off.

i don't follow politics and never have claimed to, i can't run off stats and tell you how much was spent and what effect this war has had on our economic system. but what i can speak on is my experience in country and all the iraqi people i met that thanked me and were very apperciative of the us forces and everything we have done for them.

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I get high on Pu$*y but eventually weed will be legalized IMO.

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[quote=firstdown;805805]I think the war on drugs is a big wast of money and not even sure why we spend so much money and effort on the war against drugs. With that said I have no problem if the make some lagal [B]but don't then turn arround and ask me to pay for peoples addiction to drugs.[/B][/quote]

You already are

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[quote=firstdown;805805]I think the war on drugs is a big wast of money and not even sure why we spend so much money and effort on the war against drugs. With that said I have no problem if the make some lagal but don't then turn arround and ask me to pay for peoples addiction to drugs.[/quote]

FD -- you already are with your tax dollars. All of those people we put in prison for small offenses costs lots and lots of tax dollars.

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[quote=firstdown;805805]I think the war on drugs is a big wast of money and not even sure why we spend so much money and effort on the war against drugs. With that said I have no problem if the make some lagal but don't then turn arround and ask me to pay for peoples addiction to drugs.[/quote]

FD, Im gonna be in your neck of the woods in Portsmouth for a Phish concert in a couple weeks, you should slide on through for the tailgate to check the progress of how your tax money been spent since the implementation of Reagan's era drug policy to stop the availability of drugs in your community. Im sure you wont have a problem scoring and at the sametime you can witness all the viciousness and violence these type of drugs incourage. Im sure you will agree the drugs im refering to should be decrimilized or lagal.

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[quote=Chico23231;805845]FD, Im gonna be in your neck of the woods in Portsmouth for a Phish concert in a couple weeks, you should slide on through for the tailgate to check the progress of how your tax money been spent since the implementation of Reagan's era drug policy to stop the availability of drugs in your community. Im sure you wont have a problem scoring and at the sametime you can witness all the viciousness and violence these type of drugs incourage. Im sure you will agree the drugs im refering to should be decrimilized or lagal.[/quote]

:laughing2

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Ran across this the other day:

[url=http://gawker.com/5805928/the-underground-website-where-you-can-buy-any-drug-imaginable]The Underground Website Where You Can Buy Any Drug Imaginable[/url]

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[quote=mlmpetert;805855]Ran across this the other day:

[url=http://gawker.com/5805928/the-underground-website-where-you-can-buy-any-drug-imaginable]The Underground Website Where You Can Buy Any Drug Imaginable[/url][/quote]

thats nice, but come on man support you local business owners!

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Even if weed was legal i wouldnt smoke it. I just really really love freedom and personal responsibility. Maybe im just old fashion.....

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[quote=JoeRedskin;805467]'cause my tax dollars will likely be paying for your cancer treatments while your stoned ass hasn't worked a day in 20 years. :FIREdevil[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Maybe you shouldnt have to pay for my healthcare, just like maybe i shouldnt have to pay for yours? What if we were both responsible for paying for our own healthcare? What a crazy idea that would be......[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=mlmpetert;805890][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Maybe you shouldnt have to pay for my healthcare, just like maybe i shouldnt have to pay for yours? What if we were both responsible for paying for our own healthcare? What a crazy idea that would be......[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

What are you? Some kind of radical reactionary liberatarian lefty?!?!? Don't you believe in "Change we can believe in"?

Okay, back on topic - war on drugs bad.

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[url=http://www.slashfilm.com/david-simon-agrees-sixth-season-the-wire-agrees-war-drugs/]David Simon Agrees to Make Sixth Season of ‘The Wire’ If U.S. Agrees to End War on Drugs | /Film[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;805405]I'm all for legalizing weed, but not stuff like coke, heroin, etc. The harder stuff should be decriminalized though.[/quote]


So you can smoke your weed and I still can't snort some coke? That won't cure many problems.

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[quote=Chico23231;805845]FD, Im gonna be in your neck of the woods in Portsmouth for a Phish concert in a couple weeks, you should slide on through for the tailgate to check the progress of how your tax money been spent since the implementation of Reagan's era drug policy to stop the availability of drugs in your community. Im sure you wont have a problem scoring and at the sametime you can witness all the viciousness and violence these type of drugs incourage. Im sure you will agree the drugs im refering to should be decrimilized or lagal.[/quote]

I said I was for making drugs legal. So when is the Phish concert. Its called P town and maybe I'll bring the boat around to check out the concert because the concert place is right on the Elizbeth river and only 20min from our house.

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Let's see how far this goes...

[URL="http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/24/us-usa-marijuana-congress-idUSTRE75N51620110624"]Rep. Ron Paul and Rep. Barney Frank introduce legislation to end Federal laws against Mariuana use.[/URL]

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[quote=Beemnseven;808318]Let's see how far this goes...

[URL="http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/24/us-usa-marijuana-congress-idUSTRE75N51620110624"]Rep. Ron Paul and Rep. Barney Frank introduce legislation to end Federal laws against Mariuana use.[/URL][/quote]


Enter tobacco and alcohol lobbyists in 5...4...3...2..

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And [URL="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/06/marijuana-bill-officially-introduced-to-congress-by-ron-paul-barney-frank.html"]here's[/URL] why, kids, the proposed law is over before it even starts...

[QUOTE]House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith said his panel, which the proposed law is required to venture through, would not even consider it . . . "Marijuana use and distribution is prohibited under federal law because it has a high potential for abuse and does not have an accepted medical use in the U.S.," said Smith, who like Paul is a Texas Republican. "The Food and Drug Administration has not approved smoked marijuana for any condition or disease."[/QUOTE]

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[quote=Beemnseven;808476]And [URL="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/06/marijuana-bill-officially-introduced-to-congress-by-ron-paul-barney-frank.html"]here's[/URL] why, kids, the proposed law is over before it even starts...[/quote]

here is why it doesn't matter if it is dead in the water, it's just a first step. the first bill for something like this would never pass the main thing is getting a real discussion started.

[quote]The goal of the bill, HR 2306, is not to legalize marijuana but to remove it from the list of federally controlled substances while allowing states to decide how they will regulate it.

"I do not advocate urging people to smoke marijuana. Neither do I urge them to drink alcoholic beverages or smoke tobacco," said Frank (D-Mass.). "But in none of these cases do I think prohibition enforced by criminal sanctions is good public policy.

"Criminally prosecuting adults for making the choice to smoke marijuana is a waste of law enforcement resources and an intrusion on personal freedom," he added.

Frank admitted in a conference call Thursday that he didn't think the bill had a chance of passing, but according to Reason's Hit & Run blog, the congressman was "particularly struck by the hypocrisy of public officials who will themselves talk about smoking marijuana, wink at it, and
[/quote]

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[quote=Beemnseven;808476]And [URL="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/06/marijuana-bill-officially-introduced-to-congress-by-ron-paul-barney-frank.html"]here's[/URL] why, kids, the proposed law is over before it even starts...[/quote]


I'd bet Smith is for state right in other matters. I'm not liberal by any stretch but this war on drugs is such a waist of time and money.

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[quote=firstdown;808502]I'd bet Smith is for state right in other matters. I'm not liberal by any stretch but this war on drugs is such a waist of time and money.[/quote]

Legislating morality gets you votes though

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[quote=mlmpetert;808547]Legislating morality gets you votes though[/quote]

Nothing worse then a bunch of drunks telling people they have no right to get high. That's like someone telling you not to eat junk food while every picture you see of them they are eating ice cream.

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[quote=firstdown;808502]I'd bet Smith is for state right in other matters. I'm not liberal by any stretch but this war on drugs is such a waist of time and money.[/quote]

Of course, both sides have their inconsistencies, but the far right is off the charts on the hypocrisy scale when it comes to states rights...

-- They're for states' rights except when the state of Oregon passes a doctor assisted suicide law.

-- They're for states' rights except when New York allows homosexual marriage.

-- They're for states' rights but not when California permits medical marijuana dispensaries.

Come to think of it, why do they even say they believe in states' rights?

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/06/opinion/branson-end-war-on-drugs/index.html?hpt=hp_t3]War on drugs a trillion-dollar failure - CNN.com[/url]

Strong strong article.

Interesting:"A Pew study says it costs the U.S. an average of $30,000 a year to incarcerate an inmate, but the nation spends only an average $11,665 per public school student. The future of our nations and our children should be our priority"

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Snort more cock

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[quote=firstdown;971863]Snort more cock[/quote]

:coach: That's what this fella's doing.

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[quote=Beemnseven;808476]And [URL="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/06/marijuana-bill-officially-introduced-to-congress-by-ron-paul-barney-frank.html"]here's[/URL] why, kids, the proposed law is over before it even starts...[/quote]

Right, as opposed cigarettes.

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has anyone here been in prison?

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[quote=los panda;972189]has anyone here been in prison?[/quote]

I see where this is going.........

"Do you ever watch movies about gladiators?"

Pretty weak effort Los, get your nasty ass back to WeHo!

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ha!

no, i was just curious.

real prison w $50k bail for possessing mj (second offense, less than 1 gram both times) > probation violation > warrant issued > turned self in

other bail hearings;
$5k for the guy who broke a liquor bottle over a drive-thru employee's head
$10k for the guy w about 10 similar offenses
$20k for the guy w the unregistered firearm
etc.

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Think the dems could make drugs legal. All the drug addicts can then file for disability and sit on their ass and vote themself a pay raise every four years.

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok48ebjgOPM&feature=youtube_gdata_player]America's Longest War: The Trailer - YouTube[/ame]

[url=http://reason.com/reasontv/2013/03/19/americas-longest-war-the-trailer]America's Longest War: The Trailer - Reason.com[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;971856][url=http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/06/opinion/branson-end-war-on-drugs/index.html?hpt=hp_t3]War on drugs a trillion-dollar failure - CNN.com[/url]

Strong strong article.

Interesting:"A Pew study says it costs the U.S. an average of $30,000 a year to incarcerate an inmate, but the nation spends only an average $11,665 per public school student. The future of our nations and our children should be our priority"[/quote]

Executing more criminals would solve that.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1000328]Executing more criminals would solve that.[/quote]

So would embracing more financial based penalties for non-violent criminals and eliminating privatized prisons.

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[quote=Daseal;1000329]So would embracing [B]more financial based penalties for non-violent criminals[/B] and eliminating privatized prisons.[/quote]

So you would encourgae them to sell more drugs or comit more crimes to pay their legal fines. LOL Also its my understanding the reason we privatize prisons is because it cost less nt more.