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[quote=That Guy;815290]well, if dallas is mad about, that's always a plus... maybe the bidding on c jenkins went too high, maybe our FO did their research and snagged a great talent...

i don't know, i've never heard of him and didn't see him, but the roids fans i've talked to liked him, so i'll have to sit and wait on this.

no way we sign 3 DEs though, looks like we've got a DE, a NT/DE and then a rotation to fill out the lineup.

we still need a couple OL bodies, [B]and some reasonable LBs.[/B] [/quote]

Yes -- definitely need to start looking at the LBs. I've got high hopes for Robert Henson though.

BTW, where the hell have you been, that guy?

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

I'm sure this thread will be revisited during the season if Bowen plays well. From everything I've heard about him, he's young, an up and comer, and honestly I'm starting to trust our FO more with the contracts they are giving out. So if they had to pay that much to snag him, it is what it is. I won't care what his numbers look like as long as he plays good.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=vallin21;815296]You say that, but Bowen is YOUNG AND UNPROVEN. He has potential BUT I'd rather have a known commodity, than a guy w/ upside. Not saying he won't be a good player, but C. JENKINS IS A PROVEN 3-4 DE. Therefore he's more deserving of a payday than Bowen. IMO[/quote]

I think Cofield is the known commodity and he's younger than Jenkins. I applaud the FO for not overspending on C. Jenkins if they are not getting him.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

I think they'll bring in another body at NT, hard to see them entering the year with just Cofield, Bryant, and Neild there. But I think the DE depth chart is complete four deep with Bowen, Carriker, Holliday, and Jarvis Jenkins.

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I just hope we have enough left to sign a quality offensive lineman.

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I'm cautiously optimistic.

Funny, this might be the first time in a while we could look back and say we caught this guy before he wanted his big payday. I'm done with Jenkins and 30+ yr old crowd on the down side of their careers. It's about time we caught some young talent rising.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=Beemnseven;815303]Yes -- definitely need to start looking at the LBs. I've got high hopes for Robert Henson though.

BTW, where the hell have you been, that guy?[/quote]

world tours, sandobox, 16hour+ days 6 days a week... but i'm out now and 7 days unemployed ;) I'll go get a job sometime soon, but i'm enjoying it right now.

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[quote=D'BOYZ;815277]Save this comment because by halfway through this season trust me you will eat them[/quote]

Half of these guys don't have a clue what they are talking about...

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[quote=12thMan;815310]I'm cautiously optimistic.

Funny, this might be the first time in a while we could look back and say we caught this guy before he wanted his big payday. I'm done with Jenkins and 30+ yr old crowd on the down side of their careers. [B]It's about time we caught some young talent rising.[/B][/quote]

This.

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And the tears keep streaming down in Dallas...

[URL="http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/07/big-loss-de-stephen-bowen-sign.html"]Big Loss: DE Stephen Bowen signs with Washington[/URL]

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[quote=vallin21;815296]You say that, but Bowen is YOUNG AND UNPROVEN. He has potential BUT I'd rather have a known commodity, than a guy w/ upside[/quote]

Oh, you mean like Albert Haynesworth? ...no wait

Donovan McNabb?...no wait

Jeremiah Trotter?...no wait

Adam Archuletta? ...no wait

Dana Stubblefield?... no wait

Antwaan Randle El?...no wait

Brandon Lloyd? ....no wait


I'm sure I can add quite a few more of "proven" guys we brought in here and paid rewarding for and got squat.

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[quote=That Guy;815311]world tours, sandobox, 16hour+ days 6 days a week... but i'm out now and 7 days unemployed ;) I'll go get a job sometime soon, but i'm enjoying it right now.[/quote]

The life of a rock star. Nice.

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[quote=Ruhskins;815308]I just hope we have enough left to sign a quality offensive lineman.[/quote]

We've made one huge upgrade on the O-line already.













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For what it's worth, Bowen is trending on Twitter. Plenty of analyst are saying the Skins stole this guy away from the Cowboys and this wasn't a part of their plan. Interesting.

So we have two starting DL that are familiar with the offenses in the East. I like, I like.

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I admit I didn't know much about this guy when I saw the headline, but the more I'm reading he sounds like an under the radar type of move that could pay off big. Sounds like Dallas really wanted him back and he was ready to take over a bigger role this year. He's on the right side of 30 and I don't see where the contract is anything too crazy at all.

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I'm just curious to know what does this mean for Carriker. Honestly to me, Cofield is not a nose tackle. I would put Cofield and Bowen at DEs, but does this mean that Carriker is no longer a starter?

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[quote=Monkeydad;815288]We have money to spend and are forced to spend. Cofield and Bowen are far, FAR better than who...Antonio Bryant, Jarvis Jenkins and Kemoeatu?

[B]We're upgrading the defense nicely.[/B][/quote]You should probably explain yourself.

The best NT on our roster is still Anthony Bryant. I didn't think there was a better guy out there to begin with, and I think Cofield can find a place here, but I think he's going to have to move around the defensive front to have matchups he can win.

Which can't really happen if Bowen, and Carriker are playing 70% of snaps in standard downs.

I think there's a lot more young talent on this defensive line than there was at 7 AM on Tuesday. I just am not seeing how it all come together as a good DL.

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[quote=Monkeydad;815320]We've made one huge upgrade on the O-line already.













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[quote=12thMan;815310]I'm cautiously optimistic.

Funny, this might be the first time in a while we could look back and say we caught this guy before he wanted his big payday. I'm done with Jenkins and 30+ yr old crowd on the down side of their careers. It's about time we caught some young talent rising.[/quote]

Like NE, and the better Franchises do every year. Good Post!

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[quote=Mattyk;815327]I admit I didn't know much about this guy when I saw the headline, but the more I'm reading he sounds like an under the radar type of move that could pay off big. Sounds like Dallas really wanted him back and he was ready to take over a bigger role this year. He's on the right side of 30 and I don't see where the contract is anything too crazy at all.[/quote]$12.5 million SB = under the radar?

That cant be right.

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[quote=GTripp0012;815332]$12.5 million SB = under the radar?

That cant be right.[/quote]

I'm saying he wasn't a big name or a really well known guy.

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It seems that Cullen Jenkins agent had a handshake deal in place with the SKins and pulled back at the last moment trying to get that extra bit. Needless to say, the Skins called his bluff.


[quote] @Jsteelzout2dome Jsteelz

agent had handshake deal , then went 4 more, hearing deal is dead in water, will stay on it incase it changes..more needs 2 fill..like OL
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[quote] @Jsteelzout2dome Jsteelz
Bowen was back up plan if Jenkins got 2 crazy in price. honestly dont know if that puts him out of it now.. gotta check, agent was doing
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[quote]
Jsteelz
@Jsteelzout2dome Jsteelz
Bruce dont play games, u screw with us u get left in the dust.. he can get that big pay from Dallas or Pack, laugh, if he loses money now
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[quote=NC_Skins;815318]Oh, you mean like Albert Haynesworth? ...no wait

Donovan McNabb?...no wait

Jeremiah Trotter?...no wait

Adam Archuletta? ...no wait

Dana Stubblefield?... no wait

Antwaan Randle El?...no wait

Brandon Lloyd? ....no wait


I'm sure I can add quite a few more of "proven" guys we brought in here and paid rewarding for and got squat.[/quote]

LMAO :lol: :lol::rofl:

Great Great Post

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Grant Paulsen's write up on Bowen:

[url=http://washington.cbslocal.com/2011/07/28/report-stephen-bowen-to-sign-with-redskins/]Report: Stephen Bowen to Sign With Redskins « CBS Washington[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;815333]I'm saying he wasn't a big name or a really well known guy.[/quote]We just made him one.

I think Bowen can play up to his contract if left at RDE. It's too big of a contract to exceed, though. Basically just have to hope he carries over his play from the Dallas 3-4 (which is a different scheme than ours), and locks down that position for at least 3 years.

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We have Joe Joseph NT on our roster as well, he caught a DUI last season that's why we know nothing about him.

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[quote=GTripp0012;815329]You should probably explain yourself.

The best NT on our roster is still Anthony Bryant. I didn't think there was a better guy out there to begin with, and I think Cofield can find a place here, but I think he's going to have to move around the defensive front to have matchups he can win.

Which can't really happen if Bowen, and Carriker are playing 70% of snaps in standard downs.

I think there's a lot more young talent on this defensive line than there was at 7 AM on Tuesday. I just am not seeing how it all come together as a good DL.[/quote]

Cofield has been and will be a NT. He's versatile:

[URL="http://washington.cbslocal.com/2011/07/27/barry-cofield-signs-with-redskins/"]Barry Cofield Signs With Redskins « CBS Washington[/URL]

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/hard-hits/post/redskins-could-use-barry-cofield-in-a-number-of-ways/2011/07/27/gIQAtg8pcI_blog.html"]Redskins could use Barry Cofield in a number of ways - Hard Hits - The Washington Post[/URL]

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Giants-tackle-Cofield-to-ask-for-trade-?urn=nfl-339639"]Giants tackle Cofield to ask for trade? - Scoop Du Jour - NFL*Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/URL]

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A few things have to be considered here. The team has cleared out alot of its aging talent: Daniels, Kemoeatu, Haynesworth. This made the DL depth pretty thin. I don't like the fact that they've seemingly overspent for to restore depth. That's why it's important to find talent later in the draft. This franchise hasn't done a good job at that so therefore are always forced to buy high and sell low. I like the Bowen pickup, not the cost. Maybe Bowen will stick since Carriker won't after this year.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;815340]We have Joe Joseph NT on our roster as well, he caught a DUI last season that's why we know nothing about him.[/quote]

Bryant play very well at NT at the end of the season, I would keep him at NT with Neild. I would be okay with a line consisting of Cofield, Bryant, and Bowen.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=NC_Skins;815318]Oh, you mean like Albert Haynesworth? ...no wait

Donovan McNabb?...no wait

Jeremiah Trotter?...no wait

Adam Archuletta? ...no wait

Dana Stubblefield?... no wait

Antwaan Randle El?...no wait

Brandon Lloyd? ....no wait


I'm sure I can add quite a few more of "proven" guys we brought in here and paid rewarding for and got squat.[/quote]

You can list all those names, but we're talking about Bowen, NOT PAST MOVES. Was this the right move? I'm not so sure it was but I'll take a wait and see approach.

Bottom Line: I don't think he's worth the 12.5 guaranteed

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[quote=Monkeydad;815341]Cofield has been and will be a NT. He's versatile:

[URL="http://washington.cbslocal.com/2011/07/27/barry-cofield-signs-with-redskins/"]Barry Cofield Signs With Redskins « CBS Washington[/URL]

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/hard-hits/post/redskins-could-use-barry-cofield-in-a-number-of-ways/2011/07/27/gIQAtg8pcI_blog.html"]Redskins could use Barry Cofield in a number of ways - Hard Hits - The Washington Post[/URL]

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Giants-tackle-Cofield-to-ask-for-trade-?urn=nfl-339639"]Giants tackle Cofield to ask for trade? - Scoop Du Jour - NFL*Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/URL][/quote]

This would be a lot of money for what typically a nose tackle does (plug holes and not play every single snap). Unless we're playing a Wade Phillip type of the 3-4 with an attacking NT.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

I love how our fanbase on the internet knows so much more about the team than Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan.


If only they'd lurk on the WP, we'd win the Super Bowl every year!

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Doc Walker just said it best ... (to paraphrase): 'Anybody from the front seven of Dallas or the New York Giants, is probably better than yours. Their front lines are among the best in the NFL.'

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[quote=Monkeydad;815341]Cofield has been and will be a NT. He's versatile:

[URL="http://washington.cbslocal.com/2011/07/27/barry-cofield-signs-with-redskins/"]Barry Cofield Signs With Redskins « CBS Washington[/URL]

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/hard-hits/post/redskins-could-use-barry-cofield-in-a-number-of-ways/2011/07/27/gIQAtg8pcI_blog.html"]Redskins could use Barry Cofield in a number of ways - Hard Hits - The Washington Post[/URL]

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Giants-tackle-Cofield-to-ask-for-trade-?urn=nfl-339639"]Giants tackle Cofield to ask for trade? - Scoop Du Jour - NFL*Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/URL][/quote]I think he can play at NT. But I don't necessarily think he's an improvement on Bryant unless you're following the money trail.

I mean, Cofield is going to have to get his snaps. He's a young, talented football player with a good bill of health. So if he has to line up at nose to play in our defense, that's probably a good thing.

There's no question it will be the toughest assignment of his career. Bryant is still the proven commodity, at least until Cofield starts to dominate his old team on Sept 11.

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And I thought bolstering the D-line would make people happy.

I can't wait to see the joy when we start signing some O-lineman.

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[B]Michael Lombardi[/B]
"I like the Stephen Bowen signing for the Skins not because we are both Hofstra grads but because he can rush well inside and impact pass dns"

[B]Dallas News[/B]
Big loss: DE Stephen Bowen signs with Washington:
[B]
Chris Canty tweeted[/B]:
Big up to DE #72 Stephen Bowen. 5 yrs 28million to the Redskins
[B]
Dallas Morning News reporter on loss of Bowen[/B]: "This is a big blow for the Cowboys." [url=http://bit.ly/pJLeqg]Big loss: DE Stephen Bowen signs with Washington | Dallas Cowboys Blog | Sports News | News for Dallas, Texas | The Dallas Morning News[/url]

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[quote=Beemnseven;815349]Doc Walker just said it best ... (to paraphrase): 'Anybody from the front seven of Dallas or the New York Giants, is probably better than yours. Their front lines are among the best in the NFL.'[/quote]

Good way to put it. Those are teams that draft well on the d-lines.

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[quote=Mattyk;815351]And I thought bolstering the D-line would make people happy.

I can't wait to see the joy when we start signing some O-lineman.[/quote]

We'll get calls for Chris Samuels to come back from retirement and to bring Rabach back. LOL.

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[quote=Ruhskins;815345]This would be a lot of money for what typically a nose tackle does (plug holes and not play every single snap). Unless we're playing a Wade Phillip type of the 3-4 with an attacking NT.[/quote]Yeah, if we attack up front, we just picked up two younger-ish players who are very good at that.

Though if we had played an attacking defense, Haynesworth could have been an every down player. We're still going to two-gap it.

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I think we'll be seeing a lot of this:

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