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Keyaron Fox makes the cut, perhaps Blades does not.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;825632]Paul would be picked up off waivers before he ever came near or practice squad.[/quote]

because he's done so much as a low round pick...

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[quote=diehard;825634]Keyaron Fox makes the cut, perhaps Blades does not.[/quote]

Blades acknowledged on twitter that he thinks he'll be cut.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-roster-survey-offense/2011/08/24/gIQAWzmobJ_blog.html]Redskins roster survey: Offense - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=Longtimefan;826583][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-roster-survey-offense/2011/08/24/gIQAWzmobJ_blog.html]Redskins roster survey: Offense - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

I'm surprised so many people in the survey picked Sellers and Stallworth.

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[quote=SkinzWin;826588]I'm surprised so many people in the survey picked Sellers and Stallworth.[/quote]

Well it's The Post so there are much more casual fans and name recognition will go a long ways.

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Banks isn't going anywhere....believe that.

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[quote=saden1;826601]Banks isn't going anywhere....believe that.[/quote]

His only contribution to the team is as a punt returner and he's injured half the time. He's so small and fragile his NFL career will be no more than 4 years, if that. He's not worth the roster spot, not at the expense of another player who will be able to contribute on special teams and offense or defense for years to come.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;826608]His only contribution to the team is as a punt returner and he's injured half the time. He's so small and fragile his NFL career will be no more than 4 years, if that. He's not worth the roster spot, not at the expense of another player who will be able to contribute on special teams and offense or defense for years to come.[/quote]Even if you're arguing that Niles Paul should have a bigger impact than Banks, I think any player (exception to Banks) who can't crack our top five receivers isn't in the long term plans anyway. So as a sixth receiver punt returning specialist who has little long term upside, Banks is exactly the kind of player you keep in that spot over a ninth lineman anyway.

It's not Niles Paul vs. Brandon Banks, it's the Erik Cook/Mo Hurt loser vs. Banks. Because they didn't keep nine linemen last year (they almost did, but they were a lot deeper last year), you can probably figure out which way they are going there.

The problem with the way the roster as constructed is that theres too many veterans at receiver to keep anyone who should be kept. Stallworth could always get Armstrong's spot as the 3rd WR, but assuming that he doesn't have all that realistic of a shot to take that, he was essentially forced off the roster at the point when we signed Moss and traded for Gaffney. Hankerson is a lock. And Austin is probably the 5th guy. If Paul is more in the long term plans than Austin, I have no doubt he'll make the roster over him, and TA will be a surprise cut. But because I'm not convinced there is a long term plan for Paul, I can't see him making the roster w/o an injury to Austin or Armstrong.

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I don't think banks and Paul are battling for 6th wr; they're battling for 5th. I don't see stallworth in our plans.

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If Austin doesn't make the team ill be depressed.. he showed sparks last year when he got a chance, and has shown sparks in the preseason when given the chance.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;826608]His only contribution to the team is as a punt returner and he's injured half the time. He's so small and fragile his NFL career will be no more than 4 years, if that. He's not worth the roster spot, not at the expense of another player who will be able to contribute on special teams and offense or defense for years to come.[/quote]

you coulda said the same thing to the Bears about Hester when they made their super bowl run. Hester was still a corner then... think he contributed anything besides returning then?

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[quote=Bucket;826651]If Austin doesn't make the team ill be depressed.. he showed sparks last year when he got a chance, and has shown sparks in the preseason when given the chance.[/quote]

I'm with you, he definitely deserves a real shot on this team.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;825294]This is a thread to discuss our many camp batlles.


Beck Vs. Grossman

Running backs

WR's

Let's talk camp battles and how things are progressing.

I think the Skins should keep both Royster and Helu. I would go with

Hightower
Helu
Royster
Torian - get's hurt too often.

Young
Williams

I would drop Sellars.

Wideouts

Terrance Austin over Banks[/quote]


QB - Doesn't matter to me. Which ever of the two that can win games. Tired of have QB problems every single year.

WR - Moss, Armstrong, Gaffney, Austin, Paul, Hankerson.
RB - Hightower, Helu, Torain. (you can't let Torain go, he ran so good last year and he'll be ready for the season opener. His injury was not his hamstring, or knee and I believe if it was the regular season, he may have found a way to play)
FB - Young
TE - Sellers. I think you have to find a spot for Sellers. He can play multiple positions, FB, RB(goalline if needed) TE, and he is a beast at special teams (which he takes tremendous pride in)

OL - Capers, Hicks i think should stay. Hicks has the familiarity and Capers having experience in that style of offense from his days at WVU, I think can play in this style of offense. Sinclair could make a case too.

I am also hoping Riley gets the starting nod beside fletcher. He has to play to learn, we can't keep him on the bench. Too much natural instinctive talent to waste.

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[quote=Kindoy;826652]you coulda said the same thing to the Bears about Hester when they made their super bowl run. Hester was still a corner then... think he contributed anything besides returning then?[/quote]
you just compare a hall of fame returner to banks?

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[quote=12thMan;825510]So you you have Gnomes making the team over Horton? I can live with that. Horton really hasn't been the same from a couple of years ago when he was racking up interceptions and then later got injured.

It would be nice if all the Huskers made the active roster.[/quote]


I said it then and I will say it now. Those picks and recoveries were "look what I found" instances and were not predicated on any particular skill or anything that he was doing aside from executing the play. He got lucky. Players of much better talent have not recieved that amount of luck in such a short time frame.

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Banks to IR would make some decisions easier for the coaches. I think if his knee isn't good by the 4th preseason game, he might be headed to IR. If Banks can get healthy though, he's certainly worth keeping for his return ability. I look at it this way, there are players that have a position but essentially only see time on special teams, like Banks. As a 5th or 6th wr, Banks doesn't need to play wr much if at all.

Special teams to me will determine whether this team is above 500 or not. All things equal I don't expect any better than 7 or 8 wins this year, but if Gano improves by 10-15% & Banks has the same impact as last year when he was healthy, we could be a winner.

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[quote=#56fanatic;826656]QB - Doesn't matter to me. Which ever of the two that can win games. Tired of have QB problems every single year.

WR - Moss, Armstrong, Gaffney, Austin, Paul, Hankerson.
RB - Hightower, Helu, Torain. (you can't let Torain go, he ran so good last year and he'll be ready for the season opener. His injury was not his hamstring, or knee and I believe if it was the regular season, he may have found a way to play)
FB - Young
[B]TE - Sellers. I think you have to find a spot for Sellers. He can play multiple positions, FB, RB(goalline if needed) TE, and he is a beast at special teams (which he takes tremendous pride in)[/B]

OL - Capers, Hicks i think should stay. Hicks has the familiarity and Capers having experience in that style of offense from his days at WVU, I think can play in this style of offense. Sinclair could make a case too.

I am also hoping Riley gets the starting nod beside fletcher. He has to play to learn, we can't keep him on the bench. Too much natural instinctive talent to waste.[/quote]

I will give you the teams play is solid but he is old and we are looking to get younger. I think Logan Paulsen is a really good TE and should make the team.

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[quote=Angry;826677]I said it then and I will say it now. Those picks and recoveries were "look what I found" instances and were not predicated on any particular skill or anything that he was doing aside from executing the play. He got lucky. Players of much better talent have not recieved that amount of luck in such a short time frame.[/quote]


It has been 2 years since I last heard Horton's name on the field. He is as good as gone. Unless Gnomes is sent to the practice squad. One advantage Horton does have is that he's pretty big and physical and in a 3-4 defense that's a must for a strong safty.

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[quote=freddyg12;826680]Banks to IR would make some decisions easier for the coaches. I think if his knee isn't good by the 4th preseason game, he might be headed to IR.[/quote]

Good point, they can shelve him for a year and he will be fresh next year when the league takes away that rule that deminishes his role.

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who the hell is Gnomes?

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[quote=GreekSkin;826686]who the hell is Gnomes?[/quote]

DB drafted out of Nebraska.

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[quote=GreekSkin;826686]who the hell is Gnomes?[/quote]

Banks' nickname?

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[quote=GTripp0012;826616]Even if you're arguing that Niles Paul should have a bigger impact than Banks, I think any player (exception to Banks) who can't crack our top five receivers isn't in the long term plans anyway. So as a sixth receiver punt returning specialist who has little long term upside, Banks is exactly the kind of player you keep in that spot over a ninth lineman anyway.

It's not Niles Paul vs. Brandon Banks, it's the Erik Cook/Mo Hurt loser vs. Banks. Because they didn't keep nine linemen last year (they almost did, but they were a lot deeper last year), you can probably figure out which way they are going there.

The problem with the way the roster as constructed is that theres too many veterans at receiver to keep anyone who should be kept. Stallworth could always get Armstrong's spot as the 3rd WR, but assuming that he doesn't have all that realistic of a shot to take that, he was essentially forced off the roster at the point when we signed Moss and traded for Gaffney. Hankerson is a lock. And Austin is probably the 5th guy. If Paul is more in the long term plans than Austin, I have no doubt he'll make the roster over him, and TA will be a surprise cut. But because I'm not convinced there is a long term plan for Paul, I can't see him making the roster w/o an injury to Austin or Armstrong.[/quote]

austin deserves to make it, paul can ride the PS, so i really think he'll end up there. if hankerson wasn't a 2nd rounder he might end up there too :P btu i agree, they'll let him learn for a year. we'll keep 6 WRs, but banks or donte or... are going to get cut unless we keep 7.

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[quote=GreekSkin;826686]who the hell is Gnomes?[/quote]

Actually it's G-nomes...like in the hood?

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QB-Beck, Grossman, Clemens
RB-Hightower, Torain (if healthly), Helu, Royster (if Torain not healthly)
FB-Young, Sellers (more of a TE, but also backup FB)
TE-Cooley, Davis, Paulsen
WR-Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Hankerson, Stallworth, Austin, Banks
OL- Chester, Montgomery, Lichtensteiger, Brown, Williams
OL backups- Hicks, Oldenberg, Locklear

S-Otogwe, Landry, Doughty, Horton, Moore, Gomes
CB-Hall, Wilson, Buchanon, Barnes
ILB-Fletcher, McIntosh, Riley, Fox, Blades
OLB-Orakpo, Kerrigan, Alexander, Jackson
DL-Cofield, Bowen, Carriker, Jenkins, Bryant, Golston

This is actually 51, 1 too many if you include the 3 special teams players. Can't decide who else to cut. I'm going to say either stallworth or austin, but i think they both are kinda needed (is austin available for another year on the practice squad)?

I think alot of camp battles this offseason aren't even with players at their own positions. For example, the RBs TEs, and FBs I feel will duke it out for a spot.

The Wr's could be playing against the safeties (we have a bunch at both positions). And so on, but you get the point.

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[quote=12thMan;826698]DB drafted out of Nebraska.[/quote]

is it a playful nickname? because his actual name is Gomes, there's no n lol.

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[quote=GreekSkin;826722][B]is it a playful nickname?[/B] because his actual name is Gomes, there's no n lol.[/quote]

I think it is. Right now I'm forgetting his first name because I'm getting him twisted with Jonny Gomes who plays for the Nationals. Oh yeah his first name is Dejon. In this case I think one guy misspelled his name and others ran with it.

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[quote=That Guy;826711]austin deserves to make it, paul can ride the PS, so i really think he'll end up there. if hankerson wasn't a 2nd rounder he might end up there too :P btu i agree, they'll let him learn for a year. we'll keep 6 WRs, but banks or donte or... are going to get cut unless we keep 7.[/quote]

Hankerson was a 3rd rounder and even if he was later I think he would still make this years roster just because of his upside.

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[quote=GreekSkin;826686]who the hell is Gnomes?[/quote]

[img]http://www.fanselite.com/media/8132972922.jpg[/img]

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:lol: there he is!

[quote=mooby;826742]I think it is. Right now I'm forgetting his first name because I'm getting him twisted with Jonny Gomes who plays for the Nationals. Oh yeah his first name is Dejon. In this case I think one guy misspelled his name and others ran with it.[/quote]

Even if this isn't the case I'm sure from this point forward he will be called Gnomes lol

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[quote=Alvin Walton;826746][img]http://www.fanselite.com/media/8132972922.jpg[/img][/quote]

[IMG]http://i51.tinypic.com/2h2nma1.png[/IMG]

I see the resemblance. PS: Both players had their feet on the ground in this picture. LOL

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[quote=That Guy;826711]austin deserves to make it, paul can ride the PS, so i really think he'll end up there. if hankerson wasn't a 2nd rounder he might end up there too :P btu i agree, they'll let him learn for a year. we'll keep 6 WRs, but banks or donte or... are going to get cut unless we keep 7.[/quote]I don't really think Paul is a better PS candidate than Aldrick Robinson. I could see Robinson as Terrence Austin at this time next year. I think Paul is more a "what you see is what you get" guy. He absolutely should be on someones 53 man roster, and I believe he will be. I don't think he gets through waivers.

The reason I don't think he makes our 53 man is because we built though veterans at the top end. Santana Moss is a really, really expensive 32 year old slot possession guy, playing in the same lineup as a 30 year old split end possession guy...I just didn't get it. I still don't get it. It made no sense to me at the time and probably won't ever.

It's possible both of those guys will be having a bigger impact in this league than Niles Paul will in 2013. I just don't think it's likely.

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Here's what I don't get. Austin is in his 2nd year, he seems to be really coming on, Armstrong played solid his first year starting, you drafted...Hank in the 3rd and then some projects later on. You bring back Moss. Banks is your stud return man and can play spot wr. Why in the hell would you bring in Gafney, Stallworth and try for Stockley? I really would want to ask Shanahan what the hell he's thinking with the wr's. I just don't get it. Have some confidence in the guys YOU drafted. And please...no one say.."well we didn't have OTA's and mini camps." That's a bunch of BS. No need for all those wr's.

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[quote=skinsfan69;826781]Here's what I don't get. Austin is in his 2nd year, he seems to be really coming on, Armstrong played solid his first year starting, you drafted...Hank in the 3rd and then some projects later on. You bring back Moss. Banks is your stud return man and can play spot wr. Why in the hell would you bring in Gafney, Stallworth and try for Stockley? I really would want to ask Shanahan what the hell he's thinking with the wr's. I just don't get it. Have some confidence in the guys YOU drafted. And please...no one say.."well we didn't have OTA's and mini camps." That's a bunch of BS. No need for all those wr's.[/quote]

Shanahan seems to bring "older" guys in who are going to

a)be competitive at a spot, thus pushing the rookies

and

b) be quality practice players, again showing rookies how they need to be practicing.

That way, if a rookie beats out a vet, you have a long term solution, but if the rookie stumbles somehow, you aren't left empty handed. After all, not one of these contracts were super bank busters...

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;826783]Shanahan seems to bring "older" guys in who are going to

a)be competitive at a spot, thus pushing the rookies

and

b) be quality practice players, again showing rookies how they need to be practicing.

That way, if a rookie beats out a vet, you have a long term solution, but if the rookie stumbles somehow, you aren't left empty handed. After all, not one of these contracts were super bank busters...[/quote]How can a rookie beat out Santana Moss for the second and a half receiver role? Moss got more first three years money than all but two FA wide receivers (Rice, Holmes), a bigger guarantee than all but four FA wide receivers (Rice, Holmes, Moore, Breaston), and an average per year higher than all but two FA WRs (Rice, Holmes). Put another way, Moss is making more than Chad Ochocinco is over the same length of terms. How can Terrance Austin beat THAT for playing time?

I'll tell you how: incriminating photographic evidence.

Or cell phone pictures of sleeping teammates.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;826783]Shanahan seems to bring "older" guys in who are going to

a)be competitive at a spot, thus pushing the rookies

and

b) be quality practice players, again showing rookies how they need to be practicing.

That way, if a rookie beats out a vet, you have a long term solution,[B] but if the rookie stumbles somehow, you aren't left empty handed.[/B] After all, not one of these contracts were super bank busters...[/quote]

All rookies stumble though. It's called growing pains and Hank is going through them now. It's just something you have to deal with.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-roster-survey-defense-and-special-teams/2011/08/25/gIQAviUwdJ_blog.html]Redskins roster survey: Defense and special teams - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;826798]All rookies stumble though. It's called growing pains and Hank is going through them now. It's just something you have to deal with.[/quote]

And you deal with it by putting vets there who understand that while they want to start they are also setting examples and roles that help the rookies understand the NFL game better.

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[quote=GTripp0012;826777]I don't really think Paul is a better PS candidate than Aldrick Robinson. I could see Robinson as Terrence Austin at this time next year. I think Paul is more a "what you see is what you get" guy. He absolutely should be on someones 53 man roster, and I believe he will be. I don't think he gets through waivers.

The reason I don't think he makes our 53 man is because we built though veterans at the top end. Santana Moss is a really, really expensive 32 year old slot possession guy, playing in the same lineup as a 30 year old split end possession guy...I just didn't get it. I still don't get it. It made no sense to me at the time and probably won't ever.

It's possible both of those guys will be having a bigger impact in this league than Niles Paul will in 2013. I just don't think it's likely.[/quote]

I'd take that bet.

We don't have another WR that adjusts as well to the ball as santana, and he's been productive. I think austin may creep onto the field before pauls blows it up, and i really haven't seen much out of robinson to think much either way.