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[quote=Meks;832356]Knocking landry for talking shit and getting hyped about the game is just stupid.... almost every player does it u see those sound fx shows and wat not... its an intense grown ass mans game.. Landry has made more plays for us thru the years than not, I'm sick of hearing ppl hate the player and not the game.[/quote]

There's a bit more to it IMO. Yeah, lots of guys talk, but when you talk trash before the game then get burnt on the opening play like he did in the philly game, it brings a lot of negative attention to you.

Landry's issue isn't the talking, that may just be a symptom, his issues are being a good all around safety, not just making the big hit & letting everyone know. I think he's shown what he's capable of yet hasn't put it all together yet. I agree though, he makes more plays than not.

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[quote=Meks;832356]Knocking landry for talking shit and getting hyped about the game is just stupid.... almost every player does it u see those sound fx shows and wat not... its an intense grown ass mans game.. Landry has made more plays for us thru the years than not, I'm sick of hearing ppl hate the player and not the game.[/quote]

Does LL spitting twice on a player and starting a fight with him bother you in the least, or does LL get a pass yet again for having muscles? What about scheduling vacations during the season, or running his mouth on twitter?

I don't think that people on here so much hate the man, as want him to act better.

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Isn't ironic? Don't ya think? It's like rain-eee-ainnnn on a wedding day....

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The biggest thing about the spitting allegation ...... is the latter word

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And I don't think he ever got over, subconsciously, losing ST.. they got pretty close and after he was gone all LL wanted to do was play like he did... its effected the guy

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Do we even know if Landry was talking trash before the game though?

Something irked me about that story. I don't think LaRon and D-Hall would be making fun of DeSean's concussion, and if they were making fun of him, why the frak would they do it in earshot?

When I look at that fight, I see LaRon pat DeSean on the shoulder like "have a good game", and then DeSean flies off the fricking handle for some reason and shoves LaRon, which started the whole fight.

And the real problem on the first play was that the play call was friggin' stupid. Haslett made D-Hall the spy for Michael Vick on that play. D-Hall gets no jam on DeSean Jackson off the line of scrimmage since he either is spying Vick or bit on the play fake, and Landry, already dealing with the achilles injury, wasn't going to beat D-Jax in a foot race.

Landry looks like he started a fight and then got burnt, when it seems to me that dude got the bad end of a stupid situation with DeSean being a brat about something, and then this defensive coordinator and cornerback essentially selling him out.

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Spitting on a guy? Because another player said he spit? is there any proof of this spitting?

We understand polywog dislikes Landry on a personal level, but he brings it to the table when he's asked, and I love watching him play.

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[quote=Bucket;832372]Spitting on a guy? Because another player said he spit? is there any proof of this spitting?

We understand polywog dislikes Landry on a personal level, but he brings it to the table when he's asked, and I love watching him play.[/quote]

The Washington Redskins’ LaRon Landry said he was nowhere near the Eagles’ Mike McGlynn on two extra points and couldn’t have spit on McGlynn. But game video shows otherwise.

Landry is at the center of a controversy after multiple Eagles players accused him of dirty play in the Redskins’ epic 59-28 loss to the Eagles on Monday night.

After the game, the Eagles’ starting center, McGlynn, told reporters Landry went up to him on two extra points and spit directly in McGlynn’s face.

Landry responded by saying he was nowhere near McGlynn on the eight extra-points attempted by the Eagles in the game, and he could not have spit on McGlynn.

This is what Landry told the Washington Post :

"This is my answer: When would I ever be in touch with the center? I never blitz the 'A' gap." Landry said. When told McGlynn said the incidents occurred during extra points, he said: "Extra points? Still, when would I ever be in the 'A' gap? Extra points I'm on the end. With that said, that's your answer."

McGlynn claimed Landry spit on him after the Eagles scored their third touchdown and were kicking an extra point to make score 21-0.

The video from that play is inconclusive on the ESPN broadcast, since the director cut from the extra point to show McNabb’s reaction.

But video from the second extra point shows Landry (wearing no. 30 in red) lined up opposite the Eagles left tackle and walking right up to McGlynn (wearing no. 77 in green) after the kick when McGlynn was prone of the ground.

Landry can be seen leaning over and staring directly at McGlynn, with a distance of just several feet separating the heads of the two players.

On the broadcast, there are two other incidents where Landry appears to be close to McGlynn on the fifth and sixth extra points.

Landry also started the pre-game scrum last night that fired up the Eagles, along with Redskins' cornerback DeAngelo Hall.

Landry was burned by Vick and Jackson when they connected on an 88-yard TD pass against Landry to start the game for the Eagles.

Jackson was seen taunting Landry as he danced backwards into the end zone on the long pass.

Fox Sports says Landry and teammate DeAngelo Hall were taunting Jackson because of his recent concussions in a locker room tunnel as the teams were coming on the field.

“He brought up my concussion, and said, ‘I’m going to put you asleep again,’ ” said Jackson.

There were other reports Landry was bullying Jackson by making hand signs that he was going to give Jackson another concussion.


Come on. I dislike the Eagles too, but you have several witnesses who claimed that this happened and LL himself giving a false/conflicting statement. :doh:


[quote=NLC1054;832369]Do we even know if Landry was talking trash before the game though?

Something irked me about that story. I don't think LaRon and D-Hall would be making fun of DeSean's concussion, and if they were making fun of him, why the frak would they do it in earshot?

When I look at that fight, I see LaRon pat DeSean on the shoulder like "have a good game", and then DeSean flies off the fricking handle for some reason and shoves LaRon, which started the whole fight.

And the real problem on the first play was that the play call was friggin' stupid. Haslett made D-Hall the spy for Michael Vick on that play. D-Hall gets no jam on DeSean Jackson off the line of scrimmage since he either is spying Vick or bit on the play fake, and Landry, already dealing with the achilles injury, wasn't going to beat D-Jax in a foot race.

Landry looks like he started a fight and then got burnt, when it seems to me that dude got the bad end of a stupid situation with DeSean being a brat about something, and then this defensive coordinator and cornerback essentially selling him out.[/quote]

Landry was back and in position to make a play - he was just flat out beat.

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The only problem I have with Laron Landry is the fact that his football IQ is atrocious.

We are much better when he is on the field ONLY when the defensive coaching staff makes sure he doesn't have to think. At all. Ever.

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[quote=wilsowilso;832384]The only problem I have with Laron Landry is the fact that his football IQ is atrocious.

We are much better when he is on the field ONLY when the defensive coaching staff makes sure he doesn't have to think. At all. Ever.[/quote]

LOL! Tell you what though....he's a MONSTER in the box. Or coming over the middle to make a hit. :woot:

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His sideline to sideline speed is also awesome

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And at the end of the day.... I'll take Landry over about 26 other safties in the league... just an estimate but a pretty close one.

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[quote=polywog;832232]Look at all the QB's we went through in the last 10 years. It's par for the course when you change coaches like you're changing your oil.[/quote]

And how my QB's did we have start after Rypien and before Snyder bought the team again ? Had to have been 1 right ? This was such a model franchise during the Casserlie/Cooke reign wasn't it ?

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Oh, this thread isn't about Roy Williams(Safety)? Oh well, they pretty much have the same game. Oh, notice that pro-bowl pic of RW above. Proof the PB means jack shit.

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Don't agree with the comparison to Williams. He was much more of a liability in coverage than LL will ever be.

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[quote=Mattyk;832564]Don't agree with the comparison to Williams. He was much more of a liability in coverage than LL will ever be.[/quote]

I'm not sure I agree with this.

LL is the fastest safety in the NFL yet the guy has gotten beaten long by five yards or more like twenty times in his young career. Probably an exageration, but why does he get run by so much? Oh yeah he's a moron when it comes to coverage. Sounds like Williams to me.

LL is straight up awful if his responsibility is coverage.

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[quote=wilsowilso;832568]I'm not sure I agree with this.

LL is the fastest safety in the NFL yet the guy has gotten beaten long by five yards or more like twenty times in his young career. Probably an exageration, but why does he get run by so much? Oh yeah he's a moron when it comes to coverage. Sounds like Williams to me.

LL is straight up awful if his responsibility is coverage.[/quote]

I think you may be forgetting how bad RW was.

Coverage obviously isn't LL's strength, but he's not a complete one trick pony out there like RW was.

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Landry is a top 10 safety and Atogwe is a top 20

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[quote=Mattyk;832588]I think you may be forgetting how bad RW was[/quote]

He was a 5 time Pro-Bowler. Isn't that the standard people use for guys that are supposed to be good? (does with D. Hall fans)

[quote=Mattyk;832588]Coverage obviously isn't LL's strength, but he's not a complete one trick pony out there like RW was.[/quote]

I disagree. He's exactly like Roy Williams and is being used right now pretty much the same way. Stack him up at the line and let him rack up the tackles.

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How many times are we going to cherry pick that one play?

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[quote=polywog;832381]The Washington Redskins’ LaRon Landry said he was nowhere near the Eagles’ Mike McGlynn on two extra points and couldn’t have spit on McGlynn. But game video shows otherwise.

Landry is at the center of a controversy after multiple Eagles players accused him of dirty play in the Redskins’ epic 59-28 loss to the Eagles on Monday night.

After the game, the Eagles’ starting center, McGlynn, told reporters Landry went up to him on two extra points and spit directly in McGlynn’s face.

Landry responded by saying he was nowhere near McGlynn on the eight extra-points attempted by the Eagles in the game, and he could not have spit on McGlynn.

This is what Landry told the Washington Post :

"This is my answer: When would I ever be in touch with the center? I never blitz the 'A' gap." Landry said. When told McGlynn said the incidents occurred during extra points, he said: "Extra points? Still, when would I ever be in the 'A' gap? Extra points I'm on the end. With that said, that's your answer."

McGlynn claimed Landry spit on him after the Eagles scored their third touchdown and were kicking an extra point to make score 21-0.

The video from that play is inconclusive on the ESPN broadcast, since the director cut from the extra point to show McNabb’s reaction.

But video from the second extra point shows Landry (wearing no. 30 in red) lined up opposite the Eagles left tackle and walking right up to McGlynn (wearing no. 77 in green) after the kick when McGlynn was prone of the ground.

Landry can be seen leaning over and staring directly at McGlynn, with a distance of just several feet separating the heads of the two players.

On the broadcast, there are two other incidents where Landry appears to be close to McGlynn on the fifth and sixth extra points.

Landry also started the pre-game scrum last night that fired up the Eagles, along with Redskins' cornerback DeAngelo Hall.

Landry was burned by Vick and Jackson when they connected on an 88-yard TD pass against Landry to start the game for the Eagles.

Jackson was seen taunting Landry as he danced backwards into the end zone on the long pass.

Fox Sports says Landry and teammate DeAngelo Hall were taunting Jackson because of his recent concussions in a locker room tunnel as the teams were coming on the field.

“He brought up my concussion, and said, ‘I’m going to put you asleep again,’ ” said Jackson.

There were other reports Landry was bullying Jackson by making hand signs that he was going to give Jackson another concussion.


Come on. I dislike the Eagles too, but you have several witnesses who claimed that this happened and LL himself giving a false/conflicting statement. :doh:




Landry was back and in position to make a play - he was just flat out beat.

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Who cares if he spit on an Eagle. I woul perfer if he shit in his helment and wiped his ass on his jersey.

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I have no problems with him missing some games [COLOR="Black"][B]early[/B][/COLOR] in the season. It's imperative that's he's playing and healthy during the second half of the season when we'll be fighting for a playoff spot.

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[quote=Mattyk;832622]How many times are we going to cherry pick that one play?[/quote]

There isn't a single strong safety in the NFL who could of covered Desean Jackson on that play - both Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu would of got smoked too. Anyways, they need to start cherry picking about his heroic interception against Aaron Rogers that sealed the game for us:)

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[quote=Mattyk;832622]How many times are we going to cherry pick that one play?[/quote]

I didn't mention any play. That picture just summed his coverage ability.

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[quote=NC_Skins;832637]I didn't mention any play. That picture just summed his coverage ability.[/quote]

That's pretty much the same thing as cherry picking. He has at times covered receivers well yet your pic does not represent that reality.

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[quote=Lotus;832650]That's pretty much the same thing as cherry picking. He has at times covered receivers well yet your pic does not represent that reality.[/quote]

No it's not. THe year before he was horrible. People bitched and said he was playing out of position (FS) and that's why he was terrible(some truth to it). This past year, they were smart and at least played to his strength, but he still got beat and gave up big plays (especially on Rogers side of the field) from when he was supposed to pick up the zone coverage.

That's pretty much the whole idea of them going out and getting Atogwe to help out with the coverage issue. Personally, I think a big problem with LL is that he's a freelancer and doesn't have much discipline to his position. I think we just saw a 2 time pro-bowler just let go in New England because he couldn't play the position with discipline. Generally, safeties shouldn't be leading the league in tackles. That's something a linebacker does.

LL has the talent to be all-pro, lets get that fact established. However, he needs to have his head in the game. Not sure if he needs more film study, but I do recall Ray Lewis talking about how Ed Reed became the stud he did. He came into the league and studied film with Ray all the time (even over at Ray's house) and applied that knowledge on the field.

I don't care about his trash talking. I don't care if he poses. I do care if he's not playing up to ability.

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Yes.. Pick out one play and base that on his coverage play.

How many plays in a year do you think a Safety plays? How many coverages, or man coverages/zones do you think they are involved in?

So you can pick out 10-15 plays where Landry gets beat in a span of 3-4 years? That's 16 games, 60 or so pass plays, and let's even break it in half because it's not always on his side of the field.

I'm just saying.. It's kinda rediculous to pull out a persons bad plays and call him bad when you don't mention the good ones.

Yeah because we wont miss this guy in our new defensive scheme.

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A shame people can't read. Nah, it's better to take something somebody said and twist it to something it's not to suit your point. Kudos on the reading comprehension failure.

1) never said he's bad, even though he was horrible in blanche's scheme.

2) compared him to Roy Williams which is pretty accurate. Hard hitter with poor coverage skills

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The difference is Roy Williams was never as athletic or dominant as Laron can/has been.

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[quote=GreekSkin;832657]The difference is Roy Williams was never as athletic or dominant as Laron can/has been.[/quote]

5 time pro-bowler and actually 1 all-pro selection. You can't say one is bad and not the other.

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I'm pretty surprised people are defending LL's coverage skills.

They are so very bad.

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[quote=NC_Skins;832651]Generally, safeties shouldn't be leading the league in tackles. That's something a linebacker does.

[/quote]

When did he lead the league in tackles?


There are a number of safeties that get tackle numbers like Laron.

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[quote=GreekSkin;832660]When did he lead the league in tackles?


There are a number of safeties that get tackle numbers like Laron.[/quote]

He was leading the league in tackles right up till he got hurt.

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[quote=NC_Skins;832658]5 time pro-bowler and actually 1 all-pro selection. You can't say one is bad and not the other.[/quote]

I can actually because of two reasons:

1. Roy Williams was never good enough to have 5 pro bowl selections and he benefited greatly by being associated with the Cowboys.

2. He barely played in schemes that suited his abilities.

On the other hand Laron is finally being played in a scheme both he and the coach like.

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[quote=NC_Skins;832661]He was leading the league in tackles right up till he got hurt.[/quote]

yeah and that means what exactly? I just dont get the point.

Is it a knock on him?

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[quote=NC_Skins;832661]He was leading the league in tackles right up till he got hurt.[/quote]

I remember bringing up this point last year. I don't have the exact numbers in front of me. But I recall in the opener he led the team in tackles, but I believe about half of them were on running plays. Now, I'm glad he made the tackle but concerned that our safety was making so many tackles on running backs. It's usually an indicator that the running back broke through at least the first tackle...I hope we don't see that again this year

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I didn't twist any words. You said his coverage skills were poor, and I disagree. They are not on the level of a Cornerback, and that's because he's not play cornerback.

He's basically a roamer, and that is what he excels at. I just wouldn't compare him to Roy Williams because Roy Williams had 0 pass defensive skills.

Landry is not going to ever beat D. Jackson or any other top WR in the NFL ina coverage contest because he's not suppose to. There is 11 players on the field, and they all have responsibilities.

I never understood the concept of saying one guy is bad at something, and the other is great. When all in all... If you have a good pass rush, then you can have good corners, or vice versa. It all works in a team aspect.. So because D. Jackson burned Landry doesn't mean it was Landry's fault and only his. If I recall Vick was in the pocket for a good bit, and DJack also had a pretty easy release..

Anyways.. Agree to disagree I suppose

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do you know how many people desean jackson has burnt? a shit load. i don't like him at all but the kid can play. I agree with Greek skin 100%. How are you going to hold it against LaRon that he had the most tackles. would you like him to just wait until someone else comes and does it. We are using Landry exactly to his abilites and its paying off, hes an animal when used like this. Roy Williams was a hitter ill give him that but LaRon covers much better then him and is pretty much more athletic then him in every way possible. (speed, agility, acceleration, quickness, etc.)

(NC SKINS is a hater to sum this long ass paragraph up)

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As a safety....more than making a tackle....you want to break up the pass....you want an Int. You don't wan't to have to chase down wide receivers and tackle them to prevent a TD.

When you tackle a guy down field, it is not nearly as good as if you got him in close. On bad teams, safety's will have a lot of tackles - even bad safety's.... especially if you let them catch the ball.

[QUOTE=Lotus;832650]That's pretty much the same thing as cherry picking. He has at times covered receivers well yet your pic does not represent that reality.[/QUOTE]

LL has trouble in coverage. It ain't his strong suit. He makes up for it by trucking guys. Just so you know I'm not a complete LL hater, here is Laron at his best....


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just going by memory, he made a lot of his tackles in the backfield and on runners in general. It's also not his job to cover everyone so if a corner or linebacker allow a player to catch the ball he still has to tackle them.

I don't think his high number of tackles had anything to do with his coverage skills, except for the fact that the coaches prefer to play him closer to the line of scrimmage.