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[quote=JoeRedskin;844047]As to Rak, I generally agree. He has superlative physical ability. I would like to see him develop an effective spin move and/or a nice arm over - he may do them but I don't see them. It seems if he can't bull or speed rush the QB he doesnt get there.

maybe as RK gets more attention, Rak can start developing some techniques that let his speed become more of a factor.[/quote]

I saw that he used the spin move today...

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[quote=IrMitchell;844039]I'd love to say I'm surprised with how good Kerrigan has been but........


[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/779438-post422.html[/url]

Posted in january[/quote]

Way to edit your posts.

just kidding.

But Kerrigan can definitely be better than Orakpo, but right now we have one of the best 3-4 OLB cores in the league. Orakpo is our James Harrison. Kerrigan is our LaMar Woodley.

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[quote=Mattyk;844041]They both benefit by having the other on the opposite side. Kerrigan is exactly what we needed to go with Rak.

[B]I can't wait to see these guys dominate for years to come.[/B][/quote]

Whatever dude, you know that since both of them are good, we need to immediately trade the other for picks. If we trade one of our OLBs and Cooley we can have 3 first round picks next year. [/big time sarcasm]

On a serious note, I hope the team can put together an effective offense soon, so we don't waste this defense of ours while it is in its prime.

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[quote=mooby;844045]Kudos IrMitchell.

With that said, what's up with all the chest pounding on the 'Path recently? first 44ever with his "I told you so" about Torain and now IrMitchell about Kerrigan. No offense bro but it only works if someone else toots your horn, such as if I came in here and said, well IrMitchell deserves major kudos for his Kerrigan prediction before the draft. It just makes you look like an ass for doing it yourself. Again not trying to be hostile here but I'm calling it like I see it.[/quote]

That's exactly what I just did, I want the entire warpath to notice my eye for talent!

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[quote=diehard;844055]I saw that he used the spin move today...[/quote]

He had a nice inside move too.

2.5 sacks, not bad for a guy with no moves... according to some. :)

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[quote=Mattyk;844073]He had a nice inside move too.

2.5 sacks, not bad for a guy [B]with no moves[/B]... according to some. :)[/quote]

Being a human tsunami/tornado/wrecking ball is not a move.

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[quote=IrMitchell;844072]That's exactly what I just did, I want the entire warpath to notice my eye for talent![/quote]

Once again, kudos. :doh:

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Haven't even read the other posts yet but what it looks like to me is Orakpo is being held almost every play which keeps him from getting his sacks. Kerrigan is totally benifiting from Orakpo being stopped but what is nice is during the games it seems like when the opponants decide they are tired of Kerrigan either getting to the QB or getting too close they move the protection his way and Orakpo is freed up.

Its nice to see the Skins with two awesome pass rushers.

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I think Rak would get more calls if he went to the ground actually. You see holding called all the time when the tackle or guard takes the defender to the ground. Sure it'd be embellishing a little bit but we'd be naive to think players in this league don't embellish when given the opportunity. As for beating the tackle I think Rak is actually diversifying his arsenal up this year. I saw him work a spin move on one play there, and on another he went inside on the tackle. And as has been mentioned on Bowen's straight sack Rak rushed up the middle, bumped the guard into the tackle, and that's what opened Bowen up to get straight to the quarterback. Overall great game by Rak today, he still got a holding call and that's in addition to the 2.5 sacks he recorded.

Re: Your thoughts of the possibility of Kerrigan "surpassing" Orakpo
 

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/redskins-vs-rams-brian-orakpo-and-ryan-kerrigan-are-becoming-quite-a-duo/2011/10/02/gIQA13fUGL_story.html]Redskins vs. Rams: Brian Orakpo and Ryan Kerrigan are becoming quite a duo - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;844128][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/redskins-vs-rams-brian-orakpo-and-ryan-kerrigan-are-becoming-quite-a-duo/2011/10/02/gIQA13fUGL_story.html]Redskins vs. Rams: Brian Orakpo and Ryan Kerrigan are becoming quite a duo - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

Ironically Rob Jackson isn't to bad either. Granted his penalty today was a little boneheaded but when Rak has gone out with nicks and bruises these past two weeks I haven't been to worried about the dropoff, even though it's a relatively steep one from Rak to Jack.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;844130]Ironically Rob Jackson isn't to bad either. Granted his penalty today was a little boneheaded but when Rak has gone out with nicks and bruises these past two weeks I haven't been to worried about the dropoff, even though it's a relatively steep one from Rak to Jack.[/quote]

I've always liked Jackson and I can guarantee you that the other 7th rounder Markus White is another sleeper to keep an eye on.

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Couple of points:

1. Not sure if we can say Kerrigan is ROY with Von Miller playing like he has been.
2. Orakpo goes up against left tackles which are best prized bulls in the NFL.
3. Kerrigan benefits greatly from extra attention paid to Orakpo. Until Kerrigan proves he is more worthy than Orakpo of those double teams I dont think we can say he is better.
4. Kerrigan is a beast and I am so happy we have him and Orakpo.

Agreed on the first point, but at the same time we have to consider as good as Von Miller has played Kerrigan still beat him out for Defensive Rookie of the Month. If Kerrigan can put up good stats from game to game like he's been doing there's no reason it won't be a close race.

Re: Your thoughts of the possibility of Kerrigan "surpassing" Orakpo
 

Kerrigan is a steal at 17

Re: Your thoughts of the possibility of Kerrigan "surpassing" Orakpo
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;844130]Ironically Rob Jackson isn't to bad either. Granted his penalty today was a little boneheaded but when Rak has gone out with nicks and bruises these past two weeks I haven't been to worried about the dropoff, even though it's a relatively steep one from Rak to Jack.[/quote]

I really think the penalty was kinda stupid. Rob couldn't tell he released the football yet and was just finishing the play. Hit him square and tackled him. Nothing wrong with that in my eyes.

You let go of him, and he still has the football? We get a flashback of what Eli did in the Super Bowl

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Just wanted to point out on NFL.com, that we're ranked 5th overall in the league in Total Defense.
6th in Rush Defense.
Tied for first w/ Philly for most sacks in the league (15).
Tied for 7th in the league in pass defense.
5th in scoring.
2nd in TD's.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;843978]Stephen Bowen is very under-appreciated. I'm actually pretty ecstatic that they signed him instead of Cullen Jenkins. Granted Jenkins is playing well right now (4 sacks in 4 games) but Bowen has three years on him and is constantly getting pressure.[/quote]The good thing about Bowen is that he'll still be playing well when this team is ready to compete for the NFC East every season (2013- if all goes well in the next two drafts).

Jenkins is a better player now, and probably would have been a better use of the money we spent b/c his "cheap" years would have been more valuable to us on the front end. But considering the way we did go (probably overpaying Bowen), we came out alright.

Re: Your thoughts of the possibility of Kerrigan "surpassing" Orakpo
 

It would really be hard to compare these two players.....Orakpo is a destroyer, while Kerrigan is a guy that makes plays and is incredibly heads up.

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[quote=GTripp0012;844158]The good thing about Bowen is that he'll still be playing well when this team is ready to compete for the NFC East every season (2013- if all goes well in the next two drafts).

Jenkins is a better player now, and probably would have been a better use of the money we spent b/c his "cheap" years would have been more valuable to us on the front end. But considering the way we did go (probably overpaying Bowen), we came out alright.[/quote]

Actually come to think of it, I'm starting to wonder if Bowen is underpaid. In fact I found myself thinking earlier today "this is the type of play they were hoping to get out of Haynesworth last year." The sack is just the icing on the cake. His impact has been more then basic numbers he's posted on his own sheet.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;844154]Kerrigan is a [B]steal at 17[/B][/quote]

Sorry, I believe there is an error in your evaluation.
All the draft experts had Kerrigan grading out to go further down in the first round...ergo we ...foolishly took him to early. Stupid Bruce Allen
......doomed

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I think this is something that will help form a very strong defense for the next 10 years. You have these guys locked up, (hopefully) at very early times in their careers. We have a couple of young LB's in Riley and.....(crap forgot the other guys name)..anyway, this allows us to get better around them and not have to expirement on the two most important positions on this 3-4 scheme.

I love those two together because you can't double team both of them, one is always one on one and either we get the sack, good pressure, a hit or a holding call. and with the speed and power these guys play with and the constant rushing every play i think it wears down those offensive tackles and the running game starts to struggle and by the 4th quarter they can really take over.

Dumb question for this season because orakpo taking up other blockers makes kerrigan better.

Re: Your thoughts of the possibility of Kerrigan "surpassing" Orakpo
 

who cares? we have two young pass rushers that we can build a defense on.

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The real question is how good will the front 7 be if Jenkins (not cullen) comes back strong from his injury. As excited as I am about the start of this year, what is even better is the fact that this team is being built to go for a while.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;844178]The real question is how good will the front 7 be if Jenkins (not cullen) comes back strong from his injury. As excited as I am about the start of this year, what is even better is the fact that this team is being built to go for a while.[/quote]

Wow. Good call. I had completely forgotten about him

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If Kerrigan surpasses Orakpo then that means that we have a future Hall of Famer on our hands, because Orakpo is pretty much a beast!

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[quote=SmootSmack;844220]Wow. Good call. I had completely forgotten about him[/quote]

I agree and think Jenkins will make this defense MUCH better in 2012 along with some other potential "fillers". Now just to get a few more play makers on offense and this team will contend. I am liking the direction Allen/Shanny are taking this team.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;843995]Surpassing him in what?
This is like trying to decide who gets a free oil change, you or your wifes car.[/quote]

This is great!

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I don't think he is, and I agree that it does not really matter! As long as thety both keep playing at this level we are going to be tough on opposing Qbs all year long!

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They're both incredible players, but keep this in mind...without Orakpo being on this team, would Kerrigan be having this success. Orakpo become a legitimate player that must be double-teamed or held every play. That's one less body to block Kerrigan or anyone else. I'm not knocking Kerrigan, he's obviously a beast on his own, but both of them may end up contributing to the other's success from now on. Teams can not double-team BOTH of them. At this point, our opponents have been focusing on and fearing Orakpo. Now, they're going to have a huge dilemma as long as they're both on the field.

Kerrigan could end up being the best draft pick made by ANY team this year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;844177]who cares? we have two young pass rushers that we can build a defense on.[/quote]

Yes sir, aint it nice to kick back and enjoy!

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;844132]I've always liked Jackson and I can guarantee you that the other 7th rounder Markus White is another sleeper to keep an eye on.[/quote]

Absolutely! This is without a doubt the best LBing corps we've had in years. I've got more hope in this teams future than I've had in a decade or more. The call on Jackson was BS IMO and he excells at rushing the QB. Orakpo and Kerrigan are pure BEASTS and the Cowgurls and the rest of the NFC East will have to deal with them for years. :laughing2 ****in' bring it on bitches!

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I'd like to officially trademark:

[B][COLOR="DarkRed"]K.O. Defense[/COLOR][/B]

Or "The KOD" for short...

Re: Your thoughts of the possibility of Kerrigan "surpassing" Orakpo
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;844178]The real question is how good will the front 7 be if Jenkins (not cullen) comes back strong from his injury. As excited as I am about the start of this year, what is even better is the fact that this team is being built to go for a while.[/quote]

Indeed I was wondering about this a week ago.. It is amazing how big jump we have jumped from last year to this year, from one of worst defense in NFL to top 10. And yet Jenkins alone will make this defense better, I am looking forward to that next season.

I'm glad that Kerrigan is playing great, however the debate of possibility for Kerrigan to be better player than Orakpo is moot IMO, given that both are on same team. Also as some pointed out the fact that Orakpo is double-teamed sometimes, which gives Kerrigan opportunities to make plays. And he did. I must admit, I was one of many fans who were skeptical of the Kerrigan pick. I was not so sure that he would be able to make impact in games for us, but he proved me wrong in first game and again and again. Big props to the Redskins FO!

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Glad both of these guys are on this TEAM.

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this is the best conversation i've been a part of all day ... what a beast set of LB's we have ...

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;843931]^Thread[/quote]

They both remind me of Charles Mann and Dexter Manley. I cannot read into the future. many things can happen such as trade, injuries etc, but for now Orakpo is still ahead.

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When is Orakpo a free agent? It seems like its his time to get an extension. And they better re-sign him, once Fletcher decides to hang it up he is the new leader of the defense. Landry is up for extension too pretty soon too right?

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;844492]When is Orakpo a free agent? It seems like its his time to get an extension. And they better re-sign him, once Fletcher decides to hang it up he is the new leader of the defense. Landry is up for extension too pretty soon too right?[/quote]
Im not sure about RAK's contract ( or Landry's ) , however , I heard that both Rocky and Fletcher are in their last years ? Two outstanding players in Rak / Kerrigan , if we were to find a young Seymour / Ngata , we would be Dominant . By the way , nice games on Sunday cowgirls and iggles :)