This move gives me a little more faith in the coaches. I sometimes feel like MS and KS are stubborn as hell and you know they wanted it to work out with Rex to show how smart they are with choices. Glad they can do what's best. Because with Beck, we might be getting the same thing as Rex, but maybe not. With Rex, we know exactly what's going to happen. 50 percent decent games, 50 percent horrible.

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So we got our starting QB for Doug Dutch.

I don't know whether to cheer for a brilliant personnel move or to cry because we have a Doug Dutch-quality starting QB.

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One (of many) things that worry me about Beck was the scramble where he fumbled the ball. I mean Holy Cow, nobody touched him, he just knocked it loose himself. I guess I believe we will see 1-3 turnovers a game with Beck at QB, just hope his mobility makes up for those ones.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;849470]One (of many) things that worry me about Beck was the scramble where he fumbled the ball. I mean Holy Cow, nobody touched him, he just knocked it loose himself. [B]I guess I believe we will see 1-3 turnovers a game with Beck at QB, just hope his mobility makes up for those ones.[/B][/quote]

Agreed. In my eyes both of our QB's are potential turnover machines.

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Where are the bells and rays of sunshine sneaking through the clouds while making this announcement?

The Book of John has begun!
John Beck will be the next morman QB in the NFL to go to the SUPER BOWL!
He will have as many touchdowns as he has wives

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[quote=Mattyk;849407]They had to make this move. I know guys supported Rex, he may be a great guy and all, but 18 turnovers here in 8 starts? C'mon man.[/quote]

Clearly from past posts, we both seen this coming. And to be honest, I don't believe Rex had the majority of the locker room so I don't think it will be a interruption or that big of a loss for the few that have voiced their opinion on keeping Rex.

I bet most of the players are as excited as we are to see what Beck can do in a starting position with the surrounding cast of talent.

He will change the dynamics of our offense. Between his mobile abilities plus his quick reads added to a trio of great RB's I see our offense moving much faster and confusing Defenses a little more with less telegraphing.

Now will it be enough to change the W/L column? Thats a wait and see but I for one am very excited to see Beck get a chance. He has been extremely professional in the way he handled being #2. He kept himself prepared week after week for the nod. He deserves this opportunity.

HTTR!!!!!

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[quote=hooskins;849429]A better question: does McNabb make the HOF? If you only look at his body of work at Philly you could make a case.[/quote]


No. He had a Bernie Kosar-type career. One of the better QBs in the game while he was at his peak, but never got over the hump. His teams were close to the Super Bowl most years, but never won at the end.

Kosar is not in the HOF, McNabb won't be either...at least any time soon.

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"The Red-Headed Stranger's"' greatness shall silence them all.

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[quote=Lotus;849468]So we got our starting QB for Doug Dutch.

I don't know whether to cheer for a brilliant personnel move or to cry because we have a Doug Dutch-quality starting QB.[/quote]

Is Hightower better than Holliday?

I think we took advantage of several teams. Allen and Shanahan do know how to build teams. It can't be done overnight though.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;849470]One (of many) things that worry me about Beck was the scramble where he fumbled the ball. I mean Holy Cow, nobody touched him, he just knocked it loose himself. I guess I believe we will see 1-3 turnovers a game with Beck at QB, just hope his mobility makes up for those ones.[/quote]

He fumbled a lot I believe back in 2007 as well. 7 times in 4 games, or something like that. Can't let that happen

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;849461]I think you are missing the very 1st decision, and it was from that one that every other decision followed.

The 1st decision was that the rest of the team could not sustain a raw qb's growth. Thus, his actions all were predicated on building a fundamentally sound team where he could draft his guy, and have him have success. From that, the only questionable decision was getting rid of Campbell, but I have already said that, atleast in my opinion, that was simply moving a guy to clear out past history, so when he does bring in his guy, there are no divided loyalties.[/quote]

Um...what he's missing is...no Colt Brennan!! **runs and hides**

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Great Move. I see this being the 2000 Ravens QB decision when they benched Tony Banks for Trent Dilfer.

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one thing is for sure. I'll be happy for at least one Sunday without rex grossman. The question that remains though, is will it be only one sunday without grossman?


Come on Beck. Gotta run with this chance. Prolly wont have many more chances to become a legit starter in this league after this one.

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[quote=SmootSmack;849481]He fumbled a lot I believe back in 2007 as well. 7 times in 4 games, or something like that. Can't let that happen[/quote]

It might have to do with the fact he holds the ball like my 7-year-old niece.

I'll get used to it though, at least he's faster than my niece (unlike Rex).

God bless the Beck era. False hope is better than none. :headbange

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;849488]It might have to do with the fact he holds the ball like my 7-year-old niece.

I'll get used to it though, at least he's faster than my niece (unlike Rex).

God bless the Beck era. [B]False hope is better than none.[/B] :headbange[/quote]


Hey, give the guy at least one sunday to prove himself. He might be just the game manager this team needs. Who knows.

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There was no other choice. He turned over the ball 2.3 times for the past eight games. He is what he has always been - the year he went to the Superbowl, he had [B]20 INTs[/B] and lost five fumbles. In the last seven games of that season, he turned the ball over [B]eighteen[/B] times. The Chicago Bears got where they were that year because of their D; they got there because the D that allowed less than 100 yards per game showed up EVERY game (unlike ours), and could overcome Rex's turnovers.

We are very lucky we are not 1-4 instead of 3-2 because of his mistakes. He needed to be sat in the corner ever since the Dallas game when it was apparent to everyone in the world watching MNF that he was STILL the same Rex whose two INTs and two fumbles constantly shifted momentum back to the Colts in Superbowl XLI - who eventually took over that game and almost blew the Bears out in the 4th.

Shanny made the right move and told him to take a nap.

If Beck can just keep from turning the ball over and is slightly better than Rex, I am of the mind that it will have a measurable impact on how our O performs. He doesn't need to be great, just a little bit better than Rex and not as prone to boneheaded turnovers.

We'll see. He looked better in the pocket and under pressure than Rex.

The sky isn't falling, yet...

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[quote=Mechanix544;849489]Hey, give the guy at least one sunday to prove himself. He might be just the game manager this team needs. Who knows.[/quote]

Agreed, just "keeping it real". I'm pretty excited for the Beck era to begin. If Rex was starting I'd be depressed all week. I'm on the Beckwagon 100%.

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Hey what happened to that turd who did nothing but spout off about how great Rex was?

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[quote=Mattyk;849498]Hey what happened to that turd who did nothing but spout off about how great Rex was?[/quote]

You mean Rex Grossman in disguise?

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[quote=Mattyk;849498]Hey what happened to that turd who did nothing but spout off about how great Rex was?[/quote]

I believe some Admin type guy banned him.

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Starting Beck is the right decision. We need to find out now just how high we need to take a QB in next years draft. As it is now, we're probably going to have a pick in the middle of the 1st round, and all the other teams will KNOW we want a QB, so there is a strong possibility that teams will jump ahead of us to take the QB we want.

If Beck surpises us and plays pretty well, teams wont know with 100% confidence that we're taking a QB (especially given our poor oline depth and lack of a true #1 wide receiver). therefore, seeing what beck can do is extremely important ot the long-term success of the franchise.

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So, Mike Shanahan is not only racist against black people, he's also an anti-Semite. Tar and feather him!!!!

XD

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[quote=Mattyk;849498]Hey what happened to that turd who did nothing but spout off about how great Rex was?[/quote]

think his name was johnnylildick? im sure he's crying

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[quote=Chico23231;849514]think his name was johnnylildick? im sure he's crying[/quote]

johnny5dicky was his name.

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[quote=diehard;849419]Some people don't stand for anything but, yet they beat others up for doing so [sigh].[/quote]

Sorry, but I don't understand...:confused:

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[quote=hooskins;849429]A better question: does McNabb make the HOF? If you only look at his body of work at Philly you could make a case.[/quote]

A simple answer: No.

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[quote=SmootSmack;849482]Um...what he's missing is...no Colt Brennan!! **runs and hides**[/quote]

You had better run and hide. That comment is like the guy in the "Revenge of the Vampire" movies who discoveres the corpse and decides to pull the stake out of the vampire's heart. You are going to awaken the Cult of Colt... No one will be safe.

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Had to be done.

What I like about this move is not that Beck is going to be the next coming of Theisman or even Dilfer, but it's that Shanahan made the correct call. Imagine the shit storm if he had backed Rex for another week? This is what a decently run organization does. My feeling is that back in the Vinny/Zorn days, something bizzare would have happened at this point. We trade for Mark Brunnell. We get Randel-el as a QB. Etc. Something to make us look even worse than we are with Rex and his 4 ints.

As for the state of the QB position for the skins, my feeling has always been that this year's QBs are place-holders. Do you really think Shanny believes that Rex or Becks is going to lead us to the superbowl? Trust me. He does not, barring a miraculous transformation of Becks into Brees. This year is about building, about finding the right blue-collar guys to take you forward. And it's about putting a system in place on offense and defense. Once we do that, we can fill the slots we need. We were not in a good position to get the QB of the future last year. It will happen next year, unless we revert to Vinny-Zorn style craziness (not impossible, given our history under Danny).

Much more worrisome to me is the loss of 2 starting OL and Cooly--as it applies to the run game. Shanny is all about the run. If we can't run the ball, it doesn't matter all that much who is QB. To think that losing Kory L would be the big blow this year? Whod a thunk it?

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[quote=GMScud;849428]Interesting the different QB decisions The Genius Shanahan Brain Trust has made since they've been here:

1) Decides not to re-sign Campbell
2) Trades a 2nd round pick (and another pick, I forget which round) for Donovan McNabb
3) Trades for John Beck
4) Signs Rex Grossman
5) Benches Donovan McNabb (then has a disastrous presser explaining why)
6) Starts Rex Grossman the remainder of 2010
7) Trades Donovan McNabb for a side of rice pilaf
8) Praises John Beck in the offseason like he's God's gift (Kyle wanted him 10th overall in Houston, etc etc)
9) Starts Rex Grossman after an open competition in camp
10)[B] Benches Rex Grossman 5 weeks into the season (I agree with this decision wholeheartedly)[/B]
11) Names John Beck the starter.

WHEW!! Let's hope he starts hitting on some of his quarterback decisions.[/quote]

You can change this to "Decides to bench Rex after 4 INTS and almost at the end of a very important divisional game."

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A ray of hope Beckons every time he drops beck to pass. He completes our offensive beckfield.

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[quote=SmootSmack;849481]He fumbled a lot I believe back in 2007 as well. 7 times in 4 games, or something like that. Can't let that happen[/quote]

Someone, I think on wash post forum, said they were at the game & noticed that Beck's passes are often wobbly, not a tight spiral. That comment made me wonder if his hands are just small & he often slightly loses grip as he begins to throw?

The fumble on sunday looked like a case of simple clumsiness & nerves, trying to move fast & make a decision. I'm not too worried about that, I'm more worried about how well he throws the ball w/several blitzers about to pounce on him. He didn't throw well under pressure in the last preseason game, v. the iggles they didn't bring too many after him. At least he can run!

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[quote=GMScud;849428]Interesting the different QB decisions The Genius Shanahan Brain Trust has made since they've been here:

1) Decides not to re-sign Campbell
2) Trades a 2nd round pick (and another pick, I forget which round) for Donovan McNabb
3) Trades for John Beck
4) Signs Rex Grossman
5) Benches Donovan McNabb (then has a disastrous presser explaining why)
6) Starts Rex Grossman the remainder of 2010
7) Trades Donovan McNabb for a side of rice pilaf
8) Praises John Beck in the offseason like he's God's gift (Kyle wanted him 10th overall in Houston, etc etc)
9) Starts Rex Grossman after an open competition in camp
10) Benches Rex Grossman 5 weeks into the season (I agree with this decision wholeheartedly)
11) Names John Beck the starter.

WHEW!! Let's hope he starts hitting on some of his quarterback decisions.[/quote]

All great points.1 thing you forgot to add is signing Mcnabb to a new contract after benching him,I think Shanahan is not near what he's cracked up to be,he's an average coach at best and even worse talent evaluator.
Didnt Dan Reeves mostly put together the team that Shanahan had his success with?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;849431]Good. Hopefully, we'll see improvement in the situational O playcalling to protect Beck a bit until he settles in.[/quote]

Hopefully.. like when Kitna took over for Romo and Garrett called plays around Kitna's game and they improved

KS is a whole different beast though.. I think that MS needs to get more involved in the next couple weeks' gameplan

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[quote=htownskinfan;849533]All great points.1 thing you forgot to add is signing Mcnabb to a new contract after benching him,I think Shanahan is not near what he's cracked up to be,he's an average coach at best and even worse talent evaluator.
Didnt Dan Reeves mostly put together the team that Shanahan had his success with?[/quote]Shanahan certainly was not great in Denver, and got off to a poor start in some respects here as a "GM". However, it seems the situation here has a more "shrewd" FO since he has at least one subordinate he can take some advice from, Bruce Allen being one of them.

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[quote=ashvirtually;849493]There was no other choice. He turned over the ball 2.3 times for the past eight games. He is what he has always been - the year he went to the Superbowl, he had [B]20 INTs[/B] and lost five fumbles. In the last seven games of that season, he turned the ball over [B]eighteen[/B] times. The Chicago Bears got where they were that year because of their D; they got there because the D that allowed less than 100 yards per game showed up EVERY game (unlike ours), and could overcome Rex's turnovers.

We are very lucky we are not 1-4 instead of 3-2 because of his mistakes. He needed to be sat in the corner ever since the Dallas game when it was apparent to everyone in the world watching MNF that he was STILL the same Rex whose two INTs and two fumbles constantly shifted momentum back to the Colts in Superbowl XLI - who eventually took over that game and almost blew the Bears out in the 4th.

[/quote]

Yeah people talk about how he went to a SuperBowl... Remember how Lovie Smith had to reiterate just about every damn week that "Rex is our Quarterback" to the media? That's called winning in spite of someone, not because of them.

I don't think Rex is terrible overall as an NFL QB, but at this point I don't think he's starting material either. He's where he needs to be, now. Holding a clipboard. Hey, it could be worse. He can spend the next 5 or 6 years chilling on an NFL sideline making in the neighborhood of $1M/season.

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[quote=Bucket;849473]Where are the bells and rays of sunshine sneaking through the clouds while making this announcement?

The Book of John has begun!
John Beck will be the next morman QB in the NFL to go to the SUPER BOWL!
He will have as many touchdowns as he has wives[/quote]

John Beck: The Stormin' Mormon!

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The thing that got me in the preseason was Beck staring down receivers. I'm sure that there were a lot of plays designed to specifically target some wideouts but some of those over the middle passes wouldn't cut it in the regular season.

anyways hope he does well for us.. if not we were looking at mediocre to a bit above it anyways

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;849504]I believe some Admin type guy banned him.[/quote]
:lol:

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[I]"I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me[/I] (John 14:6). [I]I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?[/I] (John 11:25-26)"

Open the book of John HTTR

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This team is in the danger-zone right now...

[QUOTE]The path of the Redskins is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the injuries and the tyranny of evil opponents. Blessed is he who, in the name of intelligence and good QB play, shepherds the weakened team through the valley of darkness, for he is truly the fan's keeper and the finder of lost wins. [/QUOTE]


God help us!