Re: Laron Landry = Lavar?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;854963]Funny how losing makes some folks hate players smh.. I don't like how he talks trash but he's a top 10 safety in the NFL that would start on any team in the league[/quote]

Sorry to be Mr. Spock here but [B]the only way [/B]he would "start on any team in the league" would be if he were THE BEST free safety in the league or THE BEST tight safety in the league.

Laron Landry is neither...

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Landry has not met his ceiling and certainly a large part of that is his own fault. He needs to do a lot of work to be more disciplined, take better angles, and be better in coverage. He has the physical tools but he needs to start using them better.

That said, it is easy to find safeties who are worse than LL but hard to find safeties who are better than LL. Until we have something better, we need to hang onto him.

And for those arguing that Doughty is better than LL - please pass what you are smoking! Don't bogart that kind bud!

Re: Laron Landry = Lavar?
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;854975]Sorry to be Mr. Spock here but [B]the only way [/B]he would "start on any team in the league" would be if he were THE BEST free safety in the league or THE BEST tight safety in the league.

Laron Landry is neither...[/quote]

tight safety? This is a new position?

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;854975]Sorry to be Mr. Spock here but [B]the only way [/B]he would "start on any team in the league" would be if he were THE BEST free safety in the league or THE BEST tight safety in the league.

Laron Landry is neither...[/quote]

I had to read that twice before I caught the logic. Very vulcan indeed. No one can say you are out of your vulcan mind. The logic is tight and right.

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[quote=SmootSmack;854979]tight safety? This is a new position?[/quote]

It's what you use to keep your panty hose from falling down.

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[QUOTE=Lotus;854978]Landry has not met his ceiling and certainly a large part of that is his own fault. He needs to do a lot of work to be more disciplined, take better angles, and be better in coverage. He has the physical tools but he needs to start using them better.

Well no shiz. That is the whole point. Now puff puff give.

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[quote=SmootSmack;854979]tight safety? This is a new position?[/quote]

The terminology is contagious.

I have a client who refers to strong safeties as tight safeties because they often have to cover the tight end. I will have to go and wash my hands to get that terminology out of them for the next time I type out a posting. :confused: :embarrass

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[quote=Lotus;854978]Landry has not met his ceiling and certainly a large part of that is his own fault. He needs to do a lot of work to be more disciplined, take better angles, and be better in coverage. He has the physical tools but he needs to start using them better.

[B]That said, it is easy to find safeties who are worse than LL but hard to find safeties who are better than LL. Until we have something better, we need to hang onto him.[/B]

And for those arguing that Doughty is better than LL - please pass what you are smoking! Don't bogart that kind bud![/quote]

That is exactly right.
Why create a hole in the roster to fill another hole? That is spinning your wheels....like a dog chasing his tail.
We need to be patient and build through the draft over time.
Just as important, we need to bring in coaches that can develop talent. That can take promising young players and make them good NFL stars. Not coaches that have to have the talent in place to be good.
Doughty is not athletic enough to be an every day starter at safety or any other poistion in the NFL. I don't care how good his technique.

Re: Laron Landry = Lavar?
 

[quote=freddyg12;854972]Your assumption is that LL is not "free-lancing." I don't know whether he is or not, but in creating the thread I was at least posing that question, so thanks for a thoughtful reply.

It may be a fine line between "free-lancing" and simply consistently misreading plays. Lavar would bite hard on every play fake it seemed, was that free lancing or simply a consistent failure to see the ball & read the play? That may be what Fletch was upset about.

Another similarity; Lavar couldn't shed blocks. LL takes on blockers like they have the ball sometimes, puts his body into them w/a hit, basically takes himself out of the play.[/quote]


Obviously, I cannot read Laron Landry's mind so I do not KNOW he is not freelancing. However, what I see from him is that he approaches developing plays in a single way. He runs headlong at the point of attack and when he arrives he tries to deliver a huge hit. That is what he does. And it is that singular intent that often gets him "beat deep". That is not a value judgement on Laron Landry as a person; it is just a conclusion drawn from what I have seen on the field for almost five years now.

Given the similarity of his play on the vast majority of offensive plays, I conclude that is not "freelancing"; it is the way he plays.

Arrington was easy to "diagnose" with freelancing. LaVar said that is how he preferred to play and felt "constrained" by the coaches when they got angry with him for playing like that.

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[quote=Defensewins;854987]That is exactly right.
Why create a hole in the roster to fill another hole? That is spinning your wheels....like a dog chasing his tail.
We need to be patient and build through the draft over time.
Just as important, we need to bring in coaches that can develop talent. That can take promising young players and make them good NFL stars. Not coaches that have to have the talent in place to be good.
Doughty is not athletic enough to be an every day starter at safety or any other poistion in the NFL. I don't care how good his technique.[/quote]

Don't sweat the technique. I just saw Laron fly by and crash into Canada. I haven't said this today so here goes. "I hate Dallas"

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[quote=Sonny9TD;854959]Thanks for being bold enough to say so. I respect that.[/quote]


Just a couple of weeks ago it was how bad Doughty sucks, and can't tackle and can't cover. I guess when people go back to the bench when the starters are healthy, people forget what its like when they are actually on the field.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;854961]Landry is going to expect a payday at the end of this season that is commensurate with what the Redskins pay for players who are recognized in the NFL. Translation:
[INDENT][B]He is gonna want guaranteed money and not just a little of it.[/B][/INDENT][/quote]



I don't see how he has any leverage. What accolades does he have to back up any type of big money salary demands?

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[quote=Sonny9TD;854913]Totally correct. REED DOUGHTY is more of a solid player.[/quote]

Did I actually just read the above statement??
this has to be a joke

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[quote=#56fanatic;854991]Just a couple of weeks ago it was how bad Doughty sucks, and can't tackle and can't cover. I guess when people go back to the bench when the starters are healthy, people forget what its like when they are actually on the field.[/quote]

Not sure what you're talking about? You say that like Laron is playing better. Nope.

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[quote=#56fanatic;854993]Did I actually just read the above statement??
this has to be a joke[/quote]

No here is the joke
Laron is a much better tackler. Ba ha ha

Or, what NFL safety runs at the ball carrier as fast as they can and then flies completely over top of them without touching them?


But seriously it would be nice to see him make some tackles.

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[quote=freddyg12;854875]Dirty 30 is a guy that I wish I could like more. I know he is coming off an injury & he was playing lights out last year beforehand. But the 2nd half TD incident w/London in his face sunday really made me think about his overall approach to the game. Something's been wrong w/this defense the last couple weeks, I wonder if he's part of the problem.

He is great at making big hits, but if you watch him take on blockers he usually takes himself out of the play. His coverage issues have been talked about by us quite a bit.

Is Laron our present day Lavar? A big hitter but undisciplined? Is he a Shanahan guy? I'm actually wondering if the staff feels he's worth investing in beyond his current deal.[/quote]

Studs and Duds (defense): Redskins-Bills
By John Keim: Wash. Exam. (Duds)

SS LaRon Landry. He completely blew a coverage on the Bills’ last touchdown pass, a 15-yarder to Scott Chandler in the third quarter. Landry likes to take chances and veer off the script sometimes, but in this case it’s hard to tell why he reacted the way he did. Landry crept up near the line as if he was going to blitz or that he anticipated a run. Chandler ran right past Landry without drawing a glance. By the time Landry realized what was going on it was way too late. London Fletcher had a harsh reaction after the play; just a guess but Fletcher doesn’t go that crazy unless this has been an issue with this defense. Also, didn’t like that Landry wagged his finger at Steve Johnson after one play in which the Bills gained a first down but Landry ended up knocking the receiver to the ground (Johnson was also hit low by those involved in the play). The Bills were leading and had just gained a first down; no wagging. Love the passion he brings, but the timing has to be right.

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[quote=Sonny9TD;854940]"There goes the neighborhood". Funny.

You must like Laron's big muscles. Or is it the way he flies thru the air with a swing and a miss? But big muscles are impressive to some. Reed can tackle better than Laron. Laron should be more solid. He has the tools. But he hasn't proved it. He sure talks a good game after the other team gets a first down and we are behind big time and he happens to be in on the tackle. There is a reason Reed is on the team playing. He has heart and doesn't talk stupid chit at the wrong time. See link below for Laron's solid play.



[URL="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/315459-washington-redskins-laron-landry-needs-to-learn-how-to-tackle"]Washington Redskins' LaRon Landry Needs to Learn How to Tackle | Bleacher Report[/URL][/quote]

I'll say this, if you could put Reed's head on LL's body, you would have a true superstar.

Because that's impossible of course, I'll stick with LL starting over Doughty. It's not even close. I like Reed, solid dude and a good special teams/backup, but he's not a starter.

Re: Laron Landry = Lavar?
 

Landry is like David Boston.
Take his shirt off and he's top 10.
Leave it on and he's a big name without big stats.

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[quote=Mattyk;855009]I'll say this, if you could put Reed's head on LL's body, you would have a true superstar.

Because that's impossible of course, I'll stick with LL starting over Doughty. It's not even close. I like Reed, solid dude and a good special teams/backup, but he's not a starter.[/quote]

Pretty much this.


LL is in the same boat as D. Hall in my book. Physically, they are two of the best players in the NFL at their position. They however lack the discipline to make them All-Pro on the level of a Ed Reed or Revis. I think that's what pisses me off the most, I KNOW they have the talent. This wasn't meant to be a shot at D. Hall, I just wanted to equate it to why I feel the same about LL as I do him.

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When LL leaves via free agency, its gonna be the same situation as Carlos. We are gonna be kicking ourselves we didnt treat this guy better and will he probably end up in the probowl, just like Carlos is this year.

Laron is a borderline probowl type. My biggest problem is the recent injury issues. Dont want to give him a contract if he cant play at least 14-16 games a year.

To say Reed even close to the talent of LL is an epic fail. Not a comparison, believe me if we cut Reed tomorrow nobody picks his worthless ass up. No one

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[quote=mattyk;855009]i'll say this, if you could put reed's head on ll's body, you would have a true superstar.

Because that's impossible of course, i'll stick with ll starting over doughty. It's not even close. I like reed, solid dude and a good special teams/backup, but he's not a starter.[/quote]

ok.

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[quote=Longtimefan;855004]Studs and Duds (defense): Redskins-Bills
By John Keim: Wash. Exam. (Duds)

SS LaRon Landry. He completely blew a coverage on the Bills’ last touchdown pass, a 15-yarder to Scott Chandler in the third quarter. Landry likes to take chances and veer off the script sometimes, but in this case it’s hard to tell why he reacted the way he did. Landry crept up near the line as if he was going to blitz or that he anticipated a run. Chandler ran right past Landry without drawing a glance. By the time Landry realized what was going on it was way too late. London Fletcher had a harsh reaction after the play; [B]just a guess but Fletcher doesn’t go that crazy unless this has been an issue with this defense[/B]. Also, didn’t like that Landry wagged his finger at Steve Johnson after one play in which the Bills gained a first down but Landry ended up knocking the receiver to the ground (Johnson was also hit low by those involved in the play). The Bills were leading and had just gained a first down; no wagging. Love the passion he brings, but the timing has to be right.[/quote]

Thanks for posting this. One of same thoughts I had earlier in this thread.

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[quote=Chico23231;855017]When LL leaves via free agency, its gonna be the same situation as Carlos. We are gonna be kicking ourselves we didnt treat this guy better and will he probably end up in the probowl, just like Carlos is this year.

Laron is a borderline probowl type. My biggest problem is the recent injury issues. Dont want to give him a contract if he cant play at least 14-16 games a year.

To say Reed even close to the talent of LL is an epic fail. Not a comparison, believe me if we cut Reed tomorrow nobody picks his worthless ass up. No one[/quote]

I hear ya, but lets not anoint Carlos the probowl yet, there's plenty of season left & he has a history of playing very well for stretches but for whatever reason not having a great year throughout.

I wish Los could've re-signed but he had attitude issues over the years & felt he deserved big $. The fact he signed for only 1 yr. says a lot about his value. Ideally I would like to see LL stay & reach his potential, but if he is like Los & demands top $ I think it will be hard to justify paying him that much.

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If I'm correct only three teams have given up fewer points then the Skins. Our issues is not our D its our O and their lack of doing anything. I also thought Fletcher was getting into it with D Hall not Laron.

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I once thought of LL as a bust. He's not a bust, but for a 6th (?) overall pick he's a disappointment. 6th overall picks should have the talent and physical ability to be a truly elite player, and Laron only has the physical. He's best described as a poor man's Roy Williams (from the Cowboys) because LL misses the big hit too often and isn't really feared.

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[quote=Mattyk;854902]I agree. Seems a little too nit-picky to me to start singling out individuals when the unit as a whole is struggling and needs to pick it up. Seems like whenever the D struggles it's always Hall or Landry's fault.[/quote]

i think the main reason for that is the amount of talking they both do. josh wilson has been beat worse than d hall this year but no one really rides him cause he keeps quite, no one rides london if he messes up cause he doesn't run his mouth, same with orakpo and the rest of the team for the most part. if you are gonna talk the talk better walk the walk, and if there is one thing that is definitley undeniable it's that both d hall and landry love to run their f-ing mouths, even after giving up a first down. and for the record i happen to like both of them, just wish they'd quit the ish talking.

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I dunno, trash talk has never really bothered me. A lot of guys talk, it's part of their game.

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[quote=Mattyk;855090]I dunno, trash talk has never really bothered me. A lot of guys talk, it's part of their game.[/quote]


Doesn't bother me either.....that is until they don't back it up. :twocents:

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Is there a "Sean Taylor" effect? Meaning have people set an expectation of we look to LL to be what Sean Taylor was becoming?

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[quote=SmootSmack;855095]Is there a "Sean Taylor" effect? Meaning have people set an expectation of we look to LL to be what Sean Taylor was becoming?[/quote]

I will not pretend to speak for others here but as for me, I had not even thought about this kind of linkage/corrolation until you mentioned it here.

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That was four years ago, never crossed my mind either.

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same here, wasn't thinking of ST either. Interestingly, his first few years he had similar issues w/discipline in coverage & sadly in his final year he'd lost weight & really became the elite safety we knew he could be.

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did not think that either, i do think LL might have hit his ceiling though. each year we keep wanting to see him make that next step to becoming an elite safety, but i just don't see that happening anymore. i think he is still a top safety in the nfl and an asset to this team though.

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I dont know about top safety in the nfl. Maybe top 12. Too one dimensional, gets beat way too often to be considered in the top 5 at his position. Big hitter though, prolly biggest SS hitter in the league. but id take a smart very fast ss over one that ALWAYS goes after the big hit.

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[quote=SmootSmack;855095]Is there a "Sean Taylor" effect? Meaning have people set an expectation of we look to LL to be what Sean Taylor was becoming?[/quote]

Not for me, I mean it's been 4 years, it's time to let it go. After his good start last year I expected him to take the next step since he returned from injury this year, but so far he hasn't.

I don't think I quite worded it right, but oh well

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[quote=SmootSmack;855543]I don't think I quite worded it right, but oh well[/quote]

I was under the impression that you meant that we had started to expect LL to be a top tier strong safety in the same way we saw ST become a top tier free safety in the first half of the 07 season. Not, do we expect LL to become the next ST.

If the first instance is the case, then yes, it's fair to say that at this point in his career I expected LL to start fulfilling all his potential talent. He had a great first half of the season last year which I expected to carry over to this year once he got healthy again. Unfortunately that hasn't been the case. LL has all the talent, but it doesn't seem like he has the right mentality in how to approach the game.

He needs to hit that film room and start analyzing everything, from the way he plays the game, to the miscues he has, to the way Troy P. plays the game. Shit, consult Troy P. up if need be. Get inside his mind, and pick his brain. For whatever reason I feel like we have just seen LL expect his physical talent to translate to success on the field, and he's not working that hard on the mental aspect of it.

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If Landry spent half as much time in film study as he reportedly does honing his physique, then he might make that leap to elite strong safety.

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What Reed D. Is the answer?

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[quote=Nomad;856594]What Reed D. Is the answer?[/quote]

No but trading Laron and Rocky would be. It would help the salary cap and the team. Unless we just keep Rocky to just rush the QB on 3rd down if we have the luxury.