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[quote=Landry44;868423]That wouldn't be smart at all. Right now, his stock is high. If he goes back he risk injury and stock falling. I've been watching Baylor all season and [B][I]that offensive line did a very poor job protecting RG3[/I][/B]. He was sacked 23 times and if it wasn't for his mobility he would have been sacked and hit a hell of a lot more. The smartest thing he can do is come out. He can finish his law degree in the spring which is what he planned to do anyway.[/quote]

Bingo! He's a perfect fit.

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[quote=Landry44;868432]I'm thinking in terms of what's a good moves and bad ones. RG3 is a top ten pick and will have a big pay day coming into the league. He's going to get at least 10 million guaranteed. He can always go to law school. But, if he gets injured, he can kiss his nfl career goodbye. To stay would be a bad move. He would be risking way to much.[/quote]

Agreed. I think it's great that he plans to be a lawyer or sports agent, but in my opinion, passing up on a big pay day would be foolish when you can go to school whenever you want. With the kind of money he'll be making, he'll be in a position to set himself up for life. Sure he could do well as a lawyer, but why not do both?


Now the Olympic thing on the other hand, I can understand that and have no issue with him deciding to compete in the Olympics.

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There are reports that Kalil is going pro. Not sure if it has been stated here yet, but that would be a great sign that we will be in position to get a great QB. I would hope that Barkley would be going pro with him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;868442]Wait a minute. I stayed in school and got my degree. Heck, I even got my graduate degree...and I'm hardly set for life[/quote]

With what Matty pays you, don't lie to us like that.

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[quote=skinsguy;868270]I was thinking about this yesterday as well. One scenario that I could probably live with is Yates leading Houston deep in the playoffs, Houston deciding to go with Yates for the long haul, and trading Schaub to the Redskins to move up in the draft. The Redskins could then keep adding depth to the offensive line, drafting some linebackers or a good shut down safety. That would make a lot of sense for the Redskins, considering that Matt Schaub already knows Kyle's offense, so no learning curve - MS could be plugged in while the 'skins continue to build the team around him.

The Redskins could still draft a QB in 2013 or 2014, and give him time to hold a clip board like Aaron Rodgers. I could definitely live with this scenario.[/quote]

Ugh...another quick fix to file away with the rest of the past 30 years. When do we get our own franchise QB instead of always settling for someone elses leftovers?

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[quote=celts32;868506]Ugh...another quick fix to file away with the rest of the past 30 years. When do we get our own franchise QB instead of always settling for someone elses leftovers?[/quote]

This.

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[quote=celts32;868506]Ugh...another quick fix to file away with the rest of the past 30 years. When do we get our own franchise QB instead of always settling for someone elses leftovers?[/quote]Because it's when you are convinced that a franchise quarterback can only come from the draft is when a team like New Orleans builds a super bowl roster with an elite quarterback off a risky free agent pickup.

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[quote=GTripp0012;868525]Because it's when you are convinced that a franchise quarterback can only come from the draft is when a team like New Orleans builds a super bowl roster with an elite quarterback off a risky free agent pickup.[/quote]
We can still get our franchise qb out of the draft.

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I'm sure its been said already, but;

Sure we won today and that puts us out of position from drafting a better QB, However, the teams that are in the QB race today either won or are winning their games (Miami W, Cleveland currently winning, Seattle W)

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[quote=CultBrennan59;868762]I'm sure its been said already, but;

Sure we won today and [B]that puts us out of position from drafting a better QB[/B], However, the teams that are in the QB race today either won or are winning their games (Miami W, Cleveland currently winning, Seattle W)[/quote]

No. Simply not true.

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[quote=Lotus;868781]No. Simply not true.[/quote]

It greatens the gap between us and the Colts and is the difference between drafting 4th and 10th..Lots of places in between which other teams can trade up for to get their QB. I don't want us giving up future picks to get a franchise QB, but it looks like we might have to do that. Cleveland is looking like a good bet to draft in front of us now. They'll go for either Barkley or Griffin.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;868799]It greatens the gap between us and the Colts and is the difference between drafting 4th and 10th..Lots of places in between which other teams can trade up for to get their QB. I don't want us giving up future picks to get a franchise QB, but it looks like we might have to do that. Cleveland is looking like a good bet to draft in front of us now. They'll go for either Barkley or Griffin.[/quote] Your might be right Cult. I sure as hell do not want to give up picks to move up, however, I believe that both Barkley and Griffin are franchise guys. What we need more than anything is a franchise qb. I think we should trade up if that's what it is going to take to get one of that.

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So @ this moment.... 1. Colts 2. Rams 3. Vikings 4. Bucs 5. Jaguars 6. Browns 7. Skins.

We are still in a decent spot draft wise currently. However, we have the chance to win the last two games and end up 7-9. Drafting 11-13th if we win the last two. Which will leave us in a not so great option for getting a top tier QB.

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[quote=Gtothearry;868846]So @ this moment.... 1. Colts 2. Vikings 3. Bucs 4. Jaguars 5. Browns 6. Skins
7. Panthers.

We are still in a decent spot draft wise currently. However, we have the chance to win the last two games and end up 7-9. Drafting 11-13th if we win the last two. Which will leave us in a not so great option for getting a top tier QB.[/quote]


could always move up.. Hey I'd take 7-9

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If we win the last two it will make me feel much better about next season. I'm hoping we can get a decent QB option next year though. Grossman isn't going to fly for me next season.

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[quote=Gtothearry;868851]If we win the last two it will make me feel much better about next season. I'm hoping we can get a decent QB option next year though. Grossman isn't going to fly for me next season.[/quote]

If the Redskins win the next 2 games (they just might) and are out of the running for the top 3 QB picks, then I would trade back and draft a CB, S, WR, whoever is the best player on the board, acquire a few more picks to get a QB and OL (G/C & T). They could also trade up for either Barkley or Griffin.

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[quote=Gtothearry;868846]So @ this moment.... 1. Colts 2. Vikings 3. Bucs 4. Jaguars 5. Browns 6. Skins
7. Panthers.

We are still in a decent spot draft wise currently. However, we have the chance to win the last two games and end up 7-9. Drafting 11-13th if we win the last two. Which will leave us in a not so great option for getting a top tier QB.[/quote]

The Rams are gonna draft before us to

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[quote=WaldSkins;868856]The Rams are gonna draft before us to[/quote]There's little risk of the Rams picking a QB given their financial commitment to Sam Bradford.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;868799]It greatens the gap between us and the Colts and is the difference between drafting 4th and 10th..Lots of places in between which other teams can trade up for to get their QB. I don't want us giving up future picks to get a franchise QB, but it looks like we might have to do that. Cleveland is looking like a good bet to draft in front of us now. They'll go for either Barkley or Griffin.[/quote]

Cleveland definitely will take Barkley or Griffin. But I'm wondering if only one of them is left when Cleveland picks?

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[quote=Landry44;868808]Your might be right Cult. I sure as hell do not want to give up picks to move up, however, I believe that both Barkley and Griffin are franchise guys. What we need more than anything is a franchise qb. I think we should trade up if that's what it is going to take to get one of that.[/quote]

Definitely. Haven't checked out Barkley yet but, Griffin is worth trading up for. Skins should be in the top ten of the draft. They should be able to trade up with only an additional second or third round pick. Isn't that worth fresh blood at QB?

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[quote=WaldSkins;868856]The Rams are gonna draft before us to[/quote]

True, I left them off the list somehow. So, the 7th pick as opposed to the 6th.

[quote=Gtothearry;868846]So @ this moment.... 1. Colts 2. Rams 3. Vikings 4. Bucs 5. Jaguars 6. Browns 7. Skins.

We are still in a decent spot draft wise currently. However, we have the chance to win the last two games and end up 7-9. Drafting 11-13th if we win the last two. Which will leave us in a not so great option for getting a top tier QB.[/quote]

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If we trade up, I hope the trade includes DHall.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;868942]If we trade up, I hope the trade includes DHall.[/quote]

We'll probably get less in return if we add Hall to the deal...


If we can't get one of the top qbs, either trade back and sign best available player or draft Blackmon and look for one of the second round qbs. Hoping we get Barkley or RGIII though.

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The worst we can pick in the first round is 12th. That's at 7-9, and realistically, because Philly and Kansas City might both win again, could pick as high as 10th even with winning out.

We're really not talking much of a difference either way. 6th if we lose out, 11th or 12th if we win out, 8th or 9th if we win one, we're still looking at the same quarterback choices in that range. Might have to lose out to get Robert Griffin w/o, but the assumption that Griffin is even the target at this point is mere guessing.

The best of a strong senior class will be there whenever the Redskins choose.

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[quote=GTripp0012;868947]The worst we can pick in the first round is 12th. That's at 7-9, and realistically, because Philly and Kansas City might both win again, could pick as high as 10th even with winning out.

We're really not talking much of a difference either way. 6th if we lose out, 11th or 12th if we win out, 8th or 9th if we win one, we're still looking at the same quarterback choices in that range. Might have to lose out to get Robert Griffin w/o, but the assumption that Griffin is even the target at this point is mere guessing.

[B]The best of a strong senior class will be there whenever the Redskins choose.[/B][/quote]

Thank you.

And if we choose to move up to get a guy, we will not have to move far.

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[quote=GTripp0012;868947]The worst we can pick in the first round is 12th. That's at 7-9, and realistically, because Philly and Kansas City might both win again, could pick as high as 10th even with winning out.

We're really not talking much of a difference either way. 6th if we lose out, 11th or 12th if we win out, 8th or 9th if we win one, we're still looking at the same quarterback choices in that range. Might have to lose out to get Robert Griffin w/o, but the assumption that Griffin is even the target at this point is mere guessing.

The best of a strong senior class will be there whenever the Redskins choose.[/quote]

This makes the most sense to me. I, personally, would much rather see the Redskins win out, finish the season out strong, and be in line for virtually the same QBs as if they lost the next two games. Plus, they would end at 7-9, which is where most of us pegged them at the start of the season anyway. So, that means a good supporting cast to help the young rookie QB.

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Has anyone calculated if the Colts beat the Jags if they still would have the first pick assuming that Minnisota or the rams or all three are 2-14. Because that could change the entire draft. If Minnasota gets the number one pick they will draft Luck, I would think. Same thing with the Rams. I would be all for trading to get Bradford, but not to interested in Ponder.

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[quote=skinsguy;868953]This makes the most sense to me. I, personally, would much rather see the Redskins win out, finish the season out strong, and be in line for virtually the same QBs as if they lost the next two games. Plus, they would end at 7-9, which is where most of us pegged them at the start of the season anyway. So, that means a good supporting cast to help the young rookie QB.[/quote]To me though, the big thing is that the Redskins need to show that they are finally on the right track. The thing is: there are a lot of indicators, very real indicators, that suggest that Mike Shanahan is the worst coach in the recent history of the Redskins. But all of them are small sample indicators: consecutive home losses, lack of a meaningful winning streak, historically poor performance within the division.

If Shanahan can put together a three game winning streak here, a lot of the evidence that he's the worst coach in recent memory weakens considerably. And I would be more than happy to point out that my arguments that suggest he should be fired after two years are weakening, if in fact he can weaken them.

So the Redskins should go out these last two weeks, win by two touchdowns each week and show, finally, that Mike Shanahan deserves to be the head coach of this team. Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen have been incredibly careful to not give a public vote of confidence to their head coach. If the Redskins win these last two games, they'll look very smart by comparison because a vote of confidence will not be necessary. We'll be pretty close to (if not on) the proverbial right track.

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Shanny is worse than Zorn and the Ole' Ball Coach? yeah dont know bout that

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[quote=T.O.Killa;868994]Has anyone calculated if the Colts beat the Jags if they still would have the first pick assuming that Minnisota or the rams or all three are 2-14. Because that could change the entire draft. If Minnasota gets the number one pick they will draft Luck, I would think. Same thing with the Rams. I would be all for trading to get Bradford, but not to interested in Ponder.[/quote]

Stop, just stop. The Rams will not draft Luck nor trade Bradford. Minnesota will not draft Luck nor trade Ponder. Just stop.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;868994]Has anyone calculated if the Colts beat the Jags if they still would have the first pick assuming that Minnisota or the rams or all three are 2-14. Because that could change the entire draft. If Minnasota gets the number one pick they will draft Luck, I would think. Same thing with the Rams. I would be all for trading to get Bradford, but not to interested in Ponder.[/quote]With current records, the Colts still get the first pick at 2-14. But it's close enough where if the NFC North or NFC West totally tanks as a division down the stretch, the Colts could miss the first pick at 2-14.

Remaining non-conference games for NFC North, NFC West:

Steelers at 49ers (tonight)
Chargers at Lions
Cardinlas at Bengals

If the Steelers beat the 49ers, the Bengals beat the Cardinals, and the Colts beat the Jags or Texans while the Rams lose out, there's at least a small chance the Rams could pick at first overall. Otherwise, no real chance.

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Colts opponents this year have 120 wins.
Vikings opponents this year have 128 wins.
Rams opponents this year have 132 wins.

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[quote=Chico23231;868998]Shanny is worse than Zorn and the Ole' Ball Coach? yeah dont know bout that[/quote]Maybe as bad as?

I think Spurrier is a different animal though. Horrible head coach, put the franchise in a terrible spot. Still, longest losing streak was four games, longest home losing streak was three games, worst home record was 3-5. Shanahan's got all that beat, and against an easier schedule than Spurrier faced. Overall record favors Spurrier by a game. But I don't care so much about that.

Spurrier was unspeakably awful inside the division though. A division that was just as down then as the one Shanahan is competing in now.

I know facts about the job Shanahan has done make people queasy though.

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[quote=GTripp0012;869006]Maybe as bad as?

I think Spurrier is a different animal though. Horrible head coach, put the franchise in a terrible spot. Still, longest losing streak was four games, longest home losing streak was three games, worst home record was 3-5. Shanahan's got all that beat, and against an easier schedule than Spurrier faced. Overall record favors Spurrier by a game. But I don't care so much about that.

Spurrier was unspeakably awful inside the division though. A division that was just as down then as the one Shanahan is competing in now.

I know facts about the job Shanahan has done make people queasy though.[/quote]

I think we bottomed out as a franchise the last year of Zorn---a bottom out from every perspective of an organization. No matter who they brought in, we werent gonna win, for at least several years. Has he been perfect? nope...i think he is moving in the right direction

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In the off chance that either Minn or St. L. get the first pick, I suspect they will have a Luck auction with plenty of suiters offering multiple 1st and 2nd round picks. Each have their "QB of the Future" on the roster but have holes to fill around him.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;868999]Stop, just stop. The Rams will not draft Luck nor trade Bradford. Minnesota will not draft Luck nor trade Ponder. Just stop.[/quote]
I think your wrong, but either way they will either pick him or deal the pick. The pick will be worth crazy money. If the Colts dont pick first it changes everything.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;869009]I think your wrong, but either way they will either pick him or deal the pick. The pick will be worth crazy money. If the Colts dont pick first it changes everything.[/quote]

Trade the pick? Sure, could happen. Draft Luck and trade Bradford or Ponder? Not a chance.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;868994]Has anyone calculated if the Colts beat the Jags if they still would have the first pick assuming that Minnisota or the rams or all three are 2-14. Because that could change the entire draft. If Minnasota gets the number one pick they will draft Luck, I would think. Same thing with the Rams. I would be all for trading to get Bradford, but not to interested in Ponder.[/quote]

Absolutely no way the Rams or the Vikings pick Andrew Luck in the draft.

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I am telling right now, Minnesota takes Luck without even a debate. Bradford becomes a 60/40 proposition, in favor of keeping Bradford and getting a truck load of draft picks for years to come, that could solidify the teams Oline and secondary. Wh

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[quote=T.O.Killa;869024]I am telling right now, Minnesota takes Luck without even a debate. Bradford becomes a 60/40 proposition, in favor of keeping Bradford and getting a truck load of draft picks for years to come, that could solidify the teams Oline and secondary. Wh[/quote]

So your saying that Minnesota takes Luck, trades Ponder to St. Louis for draft picks? Nope, I do not see that happening at all. First of all, these trades have to benefit both or all parties involved, and I just don't see how trading Ponder to St. Louis benefits St. Louis in the least. They already have their QB, just like Minnesota already has Ponder. And, if Minnesota drafted Luck as a bargaining chip, I think that's very risky on Minnesota's part. It would make more sense just to trade that pick down for more draft picks than holding Andrew Luck hostage.