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Luck is not worth both of our guys, maybe one, but not both. Luck is a very good QB, but very few of these CFB QB gods pan out. Leinart didn't, Harrington didn't, Carr didn't. The best QBs in the NFL received some critical acclaim come draft dat, but weren't gods, and one(Brady) was a late round pick. Big Ben, Drew, and Matt Stafford all garnered good press, but not like Leinart, Bradford, Newton, and now Luck. Every big game Luck was in he was brought down to earth. Even with Newton being a stud, he still can't get his team a win, much like MJ and the Bulls before Pippen and co. One guy isn't going to turn our team around. We need multiple pieces to the puzzle.

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;871046]Luck is not worth both of our guys, maybe one, but not both. Luck is a very good QB, but very few of these CFB QB gods pan out. Leinart didn't, Harrington didn't, Carr didn't. The best QBs in the NFL received some critical acclaim come draft dat, but weren't gods, and one(Brady) was a late round pick. Big Ben, Drew, and Matt Stafford all garnered good press, but not like Leinart, Bradford, Newton, and now Luck. Every big game Luck was in he was brought down to earth. Even with Newton being a stud, he still can't get his team a win, much like MJ and the Bulls before Pippen and co. One guy isn't going to turn our team around. We need multiple pieces to the puzzle.[/quote]

I agree but The skins have never truly had a FRANCHISE Qb since maybe JoeT, this team and fan base is starving for a QB to lean on for a decade

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

[quote=Lotus;871031]This.

You don't accept less than a first for Rak. You don't accept less than a high second plus something else valuable for TW, and that's including the weed-smoking discount.

Trading TW and/or Rak for someone like Luck is one thing. But it is baffling how some folks in this thread want to give away our best players for almost nothing.[/quote]

Who has said trey want to give them away for almost nothing?

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Orakpo is a major asset to the team and second thoughts says any thoughts to trading him is not smart.

Silverback, while showing major potential, is logical candidate to involve in a move up trade to get Luck along with our 1st round pick either this years, or preferable next year's. Silverback shows promise, but im sorry the weed thing showed a major character flaw IMO. Now weed is not serious to me, and i could careless if he smokes as long as passes it and keeps the rotation going. But to be as careless and Ricky Williams about testing is flat out stupid. Is he the type that is gonna come back, work harder, learn from this mistake, and become that probowl talent he is capable of? Work hard wasnt his mo at school from what i remember. Its gonna be very interesting how he responds, so far crickets. Id let Silverback go to get that Franchise QB talent we have lacked in Luck and not give a second thought.

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

for straight up picks? no. if it's for a QB worth talking about, or moving up for luck, maybe.

willie smith is not is not is not trent williams. let's not get crazy. he's looked good, but not "why do we even need trent williams here" good... not even close.

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

for straight up picks? no. if it's for a QB worth talking about, or moving up for luck, maybe.

willie smith is not is not is not trent williams. let's not get crazy. he's looked good, but not "why do we even need trent williams here" good... not even close. plus that'd be a huge cap hit.

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

[quote=That Guy;871059]for straight up picks? no. if it's for a QB worth talking about, or moving up for luck, maybe.

willie smith is not is not is not trent williams. let's not get crazy. he's looked good, but not "why do we even need trent williams here" good... not even close.[/quote]


Trent is a top 10 LT and I think people forget how hard it is to replace them.

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

Tough call, I would not trade Orakpo. He will continue to get better with Kerrigan on the other side (wouldn't mind going back to a 4-3 and have them be the defensive ends) but no way I trade him. Williams only if it lands us with the#1 pick - Luck but then we would have to address LT.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;871022]You're crazy. The asking price for a franchise LT has been set as a late first round pick. As seen in the Jason Peters trade.[/quote]Good point. I'll go further: with three years remaining on his rookie contract, Williams is actually worth more than a late first round pick right now. That will be his price a year or two from now, when the Redskins have to make a decision to extend him or let him hit free agency.

In the Peters trade, the Eagles werent just trading for him, they were also making a decision to give him $40 million dollars, saving the Bills that cost.

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

I think the Redskins cannot afford to trade anyone they have right now. While I think we have good players, I feel that none of our players could garner the picks that people here seem to think we could get.

As much as we all would want the team to have a lot of picks, this team is going to have to spend them if they want to move up to get a QB. If Shanahan was willing to gamble picks on McNabb, I would imagine he would be fine with trading picks to get a future QB.

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[quote=Ruhskins;871078]I think the Redskins cannot afford to trade anyone they have right now. While I think we have good players, I feel that none of our players could garner the picks that people here seem to think we could get.

As much as we all would want the team to have a lot of picks, this team is going to have to spend them if they want to move up to get a QB. If Shanahan was willing to gamble picks on McNabb, I would imagine he would be fine with trading picks to get a future QB.[/quote]

Yeah I tend to agree. If they want to move up it's going to cost picks not players. Giving up several key building blocks like Rak or TW only creates more holes... significant ones at that. Young pass rushers and good left tackles are like gold in this league.

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;871022]You're crazy. The asking price for a franchise LT has been set as a late first round pick. As seen in the Jason Peters trade.[/quote]

Like others have said, factor in the marijuana not once but 3 times he's been caught, plus the fact that he has a poor work ethic and gets lazy at times. He's just a good tackle, not a great tackle. Franchise tackle, No. And yeah the Jason Peters trade occured, but Jason Peters, IMO, is more motivated and about as athletic as trent. He also has no off the field problems like Trent now does. So if I'm looking at Trent and I'm another team that needs a tackle the most I'm giving up for him is a 3rd. I wouldn't want to risk him smoking and missing games again, because clearly he has a problem if he's smoking and getting caught that much.

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Well, he's also a 23 year old good-not-great tackle. Which means he could be an all-pro at 26.

There's less upside with Orakpo who is already 25. And he's still an ascending player who will develop move moves (hopefully), but he's never going to be a large, mammoth rusher with moves: speed and quickness will always be his game until he doesn't have that anymore.

I actually think BO had his best year rushing the passer this year. Sack production is weird like that though. Sometimes, you just miss the tackle in the backfield. And that doesn't make you a worse rusher. It just really changes the result of the play. I know he didn't draw 9 holding flags like he did last year, but I still thought that Kerrigan's sack production would have been impossible at this level without Orakpo on the other side.

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Major cap hit.

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I just dont get it?

Trade one of the up and coming OLB in the NFL. Made two probowls in 3 years. Just drafted a guy that will compliment each other for 10 years. The guy is a good character guy, high motor, constant effort, beast of a player and because his"numbers" are a little down, we trade him.

Trent Williams - we finally draft a franchise left tackle, he is playing quite well against the top ends in the NFL and we talk about trading him. this is his 2nd year, he is going to have some growing pains, he's given some sacks, but damn people what the hell is wrong with you

I have seen some crazy shit on this board, but the last couple of days have been just ridiculous. I really wonder if anyone really wants this franchise to succeed. For years it was patience, build through the draft, continuity, lets keep the same coaches for more than two years, get younger.... Now we do that and everyone wants our coaches and players canned. I am having a hard time understanding this.

Everyone has these knee jerk reactions. Why in the world would anyone want to trade our last two 1st round picks after 3 and 2 seasons respectively?? talk about patience....

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

[quote=#56fanatic;871132]I just dont get it?

Trade one of the up and coming OLB in the NFL. Made two probowls in 3 years. Just drafted a guy that will compliment each other for 10 years. The guy is a good character guy, high motor, constant effort, beast of a player and because his"numbers" are a little down, we trade him.

Trent Williams - we finally draft a franchise left tackle, he is playing quite well against the top ends in the NFL and we talk about trading him. this is his 2nd year, he is going to have some growing pains, he's given some sacks, but damn people what the hell is wrong with you

I have seen some crazy shit on this board, but the last couple of days have been just ridiculous. I really wonder if anyone really wants this franchise to succeed. For years it was patience, build through the draft, continuity, lets keep the same coaches for more than two years, get younger.... Now we do that and everyone wants our coaches and players canned. I am having a hard time understanding this.

Everyone has these knee jerk reactions. Why in the world would anyone want to trade our last two 1st round picks after 3 and 2 seasons respectively?? talk about patience....[/quote]


Agree 110%, we have alot of Vinny's on the board.

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

No one is talking about giving either one away for nothing

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

I don't believe anyone truly would want the Redskins to give up Orakpo. I don't at all, and I think if we did, we would have to get A LOT in return. All I'm saying is, which do you think would be easier to replace/get, a top notch pass rusher or a top notch passer? If the former, then absolutely no way you think of involving a trade with someone like Orakpo to get your franchise QB. If the latter, well then, you as a GM have a very tough decision to make if trading one of your best players on defense is the only way to sweeten the pot enough to get your franchise QB. Personally, I'd much rather the Redskins promise high round draft picks for the next few seasons than to get rid of building block players.

I would be very upset getting rid of Orakpo, Kerrigan, Fred Davis, or Trent Williams. Davis and Williams have disappointed me with their off the field drug issues, but they are all building blocks that the 'skins didn't just randomly pick for the heck of it. Overall, I think it comes down to this. If RG III doesn't declare, nor Tannehill, nor Jones, etc..... then you're left with a few teams gunning for Andrew Luck. The Redskins could essentially say, ya know, we're going to have some great quarterbacks coming out of college next year (RG III, Barkley, a more seasoned Tannehill, Jones....) let's continue putting other pieces in place this year, and then do what we can do to get our quarterback next year. That might be what the Redskins do if those guys mentioned decide to stay in college next year - and I think that would probably be the better move than to think about giving up someone like Orakpo or Williams to get Luck.

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;871137]No one is talking about giving either one away for nothing[/quote]


I know that, but why would anyone even entertain giving those guys up. Orakpo has been in the league 3 years, made the probowl two of them. Trent williams has shown that he can be a very good tackle for years to come. He has been in the league a total of 2 years. I just dont see the logic in even thinking of getting rid of them for picks, which would set us back another couple of years trying to get someone to fill those spots. They are good players, Orakpo will become a game changer in my opinion. Just seems like no one is happy with keeping things status quo. They are always wanting change. Change coaches, players, DC or OC, and what has that gotten us over the last 12 years.. Absolutely nothing! We need consistancy across the board.

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

TW- No

BO - No

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This will not even get discussed so answer to this question which is
No to both players.

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Threads like this are the reason that the skins are the way they are. We need to stand by our players and our coaches. Not everyone is perfect all the time. Talent is grown and cultivated, not chased out of town so to be successful elsewhere.

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[quote=#56fanatic;871194]I know that, but why would anyone even entertain giving those guys up. Orakpo has been in the league 3 years, made the probowl two of them. Trent williams has shown that he can be a very good tackle for years to come. He has been in the league a total of 2 years. I just dont see the logic in even thinking of getting rid of them for picks, which would set us back another couple of years trying to get someone to fill those spots. They are good players, Orakpo will become a game changer in my opinion. Just seems like no one is happy with keeping things status quo. They are always wanting change. Change coaches, players, DC or OC, and what has that gotten us over the last 12 years.. Absolutely nothing! We need consistancy across the board.[/quote]

I'm in vacation, when I get back and get to a computer I'll respond in full

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

Basically, no we should not trader them. They are good players and would start on pretty much any team in the NFL.

With that said, if we can get a 1st round pick and another early round pick for either of them, then maybe it could be an offer we couldnt refuse. I don't think anyone is going to give that much to get either of them.

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

I'm just calling it how I see it. Trent Williams gives up plays against good competition. Almost every game he's played against teams with decent pass rushers he consistently gets beat. Now based on what I've seen Willie Smith has pass protected and run block better than Trent Williams. He's faced Carter, Pierre-Paul, Allen, and Cole. He pretty much handled his business against all of those guys. He has outperformed TW. Also Trent Williams has a weed problem that might cost him a one year suspension. What's really bad is he has only been in the league for a year. He makes a lot of bonehead plays on the field and off. He has yet to put together a dominate performance. You mean to tell me this guy isn't expendable?


I look at Orakpo a lot different than Trent Williams. I think he's a guy with the talent, focus, and desire to be elite. My problem is with him is he's not consistent. You see him have a great game one week and then disappear for weeks. I'm sure y'all remember last year when he started with 7.5 sacks and with 8.5 sacks. The first half of the season he was great. The second half of the season he was non factor. Am I lying? He's not that good against the run or in coverage. In my opinion, he's not the best fit for what we do. This year he's been alright, but not great.

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[QUOTE=Landry44;871680]I'm just calling it how I see it. Trent Williams gives up plays against good competition. Almost every game he's played against teams with decent pass rushers he consistently gets beat. Now based on what I've seen Willie Smith has pass protected and run block better than Trent Williams. He's faced Carter, Pierre-Paul, Allen, and Cole. He pretty much handled his business against all of those guys. He has outperformed TW. Also Trent Williams has a weed problem that might cost him a one year suspension. What's really bad is he has only been in the league for a year. He makes a lot of bonehead plays on the field and off. He has yet to put together a dominate performance. You mean to tell me this guy isn't expendable?


I look at Orakpo a lot different than Trent Williams. I think he's a guy with the talent, focus, and desire to be elite. My problem is with him is he's not consistent. You see him have a great game one week and then disappear for weeks. I'm sure y'all remember last year when he started with 7.5 sacks and with 8.5 sacks. The first half of the season he was great. The second half of the season he was non factor. Am I lying? He's not that good against the run or in coverage. In my opinion, he's not the best fit for what we do. This year he's been alright, but not great.[/QUOTE]


Williams could always be converted to right tackle if he really stinks it up. Jamaal Brown is on his last legs, and neither Locklear nor Polumbus are good enough to be a starter.

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NOOOOOOOOOOO id never consider.

this one shoulda been closed.

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No way would I trade him. One of the few bright spots on our team. Plus, in today's NFL you need 2 elite pass rushers so no need to fix something that isn't broken.

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I would not consider trading either. Unless the phone rang and another GM was falling over themselves and offering us IMMENSE value (at least a 1st round pick). We need to continue to build our roster and trading away our young talent isn't the way to go. Besides, I highly doubt there would be a huge market for either player for the proper compensation.

I have to agree with the "madden trades" comment made in a previous pos.

yes everything is on the table.

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

Brian Orakpo and Trent Williams are too young. They are nowhere near their primes. They are both worth keeping. No way I'd trade either one of them.

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Trent's still very young (and immature). Brian Orakpo will be 26 next season. If 26 isn't "in your prime", it's going to be a pretty short "prime."

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Williams contract is huge. He not worth it.

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;873886]Trent's still very young (and immature). [B] Brian Orakpo will be 26 next season. If 26 isn't "in your prime", it's going to be a pretty short "prime."[/[/B]QUOTE]

How old is Harrison the LB with the steelers, IMO Orakpo has lots of great years ahead of him. I say NO to trading either one of them.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;873902][QUOTE=GTripp0012;873886]Trent's still very young (and immature). [B] Brian Orakpo will be 26 next season. If 26 isn't "in your prime", it's going to be a pretty short "prime."[/[/B]QUOTE]

How old is Harrison the LB with the steelers, IMO Orakpo has lots of great years ahead of him. I say NO to trading either one of them.[/quote]

I second and move to strike! ...to close this pointless thread! :)

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

If you mean to trade up and draft a QB, then the answer is yes. To add players at other positions I wouldn't do it.

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

[quote=diehardskin2982;871301]Threads like this are the reason that the skins are the way they are. We need to stand by our players and our coaches. Not everyone is perfect all the time. Talent is grown and cultivated, not chased out of town so to be successful elsewhere.[/quote]

It serves its purpose.. shows that we don't have a lot of trade bait nor depth.. and that maybe we can't trust the organization to replace any integral parts of the team

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

Ding this thread is done. Ding this thread is doooonnne!

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

Why on earth would this thought even go through somebody's mind?

Re: Would you consider trading Orakpo and Trent Williams for picks?
 

rak - no.
trent- yes