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[quote=CultBrennan59;872209]If the Rams are smart, their new head coach would see all their holes on their team and trade with us, [B]we'd give them Jamal Brown and DeAngelo Hall[/B], swap picks and give them I dunno a couple picks like our 3rd and 4th this year and 2nd and 3rd next year and they will definitely be in position to get Johnathan Martin or Riley Reiff Tackles from Stanford and Iowa, we get RG3.[/quote]

Stop it

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[quote=skinsguy;872210]I would be ecstatic if that happened, but how would the Redskins land both Bradford AND Kahlil?[/quote]

Apparently the new GM and coach of the Rams are retarded...

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[quote=GMScud;872169]Shanahan's drafts the past two years have been too sharp for something like that to happen. I haven't seen Tannehill projected as a first round QB anywhere, let alone a top 6 pick. That would be an even bigger reach than Ponder going 12th last year.[/quote]

Here Tannehill appears in the first round although not in the top 6.
[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2012_QB]2012_QB NFL Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

You could make the case that Locker, Ponder, and Gabbert were all overdrafted last year compared to where they were ranked in most draft sites. That's what happens to QB's.

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[quote=IrMitchell;872212]Stop it[/quote]

as in thats a bad deal for us or them?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;872216]as in thats a bad deal for us or them?[/quote]

Them.

Teams go into the draft with optimism and looking forward to the future, there is no optimism with Brown and Hall. In fact there is pessimism.

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I think Blackmon and Michael Floyd will both be very good players as rookies, though I think Justin Blackmon is going to have the much better career. He is the only receiver I would take at No. 6.

On the offensive line, I would consider David DeCastro and Jonathan Martin at no. 6.

And at corner, I would also consider Janoris Jenkins, Alfonzo Dennard, and Morris Claiborne there, with the team needing a really good cover corner.

With all that said, my 6th overall pick would be Trent Richardson. Not because of any need. But because he's the only player in the draft who was an elite college performer in 2009, 2010, and 2011, and would continue to be an elite player in the NFL in 2012.

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[quote=GTripp0012;872223]I think Blackmon and Michael Floyd will both be very good players as rookies, though I think Justin Blackmon is going to have the much better career. He is the only receiver I would take at No. 6.

On the offensive line, I would consider David DeCastro and Jonathan Martin at no. 6.

And at corner, I would also consider Janoris Jenkins, Alfonzo Dennard, and Morris Claiborne there, with the team needing a really good cover corner.

With all that said, my 6th overall pick would be Trent Richardson. Not because of any need. But because he's the only player in the draft who was an elite college performer in 2009, 2010, and 2011, and would continue to be an elite player in the NFL in 2012.[/quote]

Wait, if you're the Redskins, and if Trent Richardson is still on the board, that's who you'd draft?

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[quote=12thMan;872225]Wait, if you're the Redskins, and if Trent Richardson is still on the board, that's who you'd draft?[/quote]Yes. The quarterback situation takes priority, and so I am not saying that I wouldn't trade the pick up (for Luck/Griffin) or trade the pick down (for Foles/Jones/Tannehill). But if you keep the pick, I think you don't pass on Trent Richardson.

Best available at #6.


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[quote=GTripp0012;872223]I think Blackmon and Michael Floyd will both be very good players as rookies, though I think Justin Blackmon is going to have the much better career. He is the only receiver I would take at No. 6.

On the offensive line, I would consider David DeCastro and Jonathan Martin at no. 6.

And at corner, I would also consider Janoris Jenkins, Alfonzo Dennard, and Morris Claiborne there, with the team needing a really good cover corner.

With all that said, my 6th overall pick would be Trent Richardson. Not because of any need. But because he's the only player in the draft who was an elite college performer in 2009, 2010, and 2011, and would continue to be an elite player in the NFL in 2012.[/quote]

I think it is good to get best player available but if there is a corner or linemen there at #6 who is just as good or close you have to take them since those positions are such higher areas of needs. If we don't go QB in the first, I think we need to look at Blackmon, a OL, or Morris Claiborne.

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[quote=SkinzWin;872234]I think it is good to get best player available but if there is a corner or linemen there at #6 who is just as good or close you have to take them since those positions are such higher areas of needs. If we don't go QB in the first, I think we need to look at Blackmon, a OL, or Morris Claiborne.[/quote]Well, I think there will be plenty of good players at every position available at sixth overall. And corner is one of the safest places you can go at the top of the draft.

To me though, Richardson belongs right below Andrew Luck as the top player in this draft. The only concern for me about Richardson as a player is he runs so hard and physical that he often has to come out of a game for a three play series after a brusing first down, and that really hurt the Alabama offense, particularly against LSU. But if Richardson only takes, say, 65% of our carries over the next three years, that plays right into the RB depth of our team with Helu/Royster.

We would have the best running game in the NFC East for the next three seasons if we picked Trent Richardson. Combined with the best group of LBs, now you really have something going. The quarterback situation still needs to be fixed in the same round, and that might cost you your third round pick to make that move, but with two fourths, you have that flexibility. That's my argument for Trent Richardson.

If Richardson, Blackmon, Luck, and Griffin are all gone in the first five picks, then I'd start looking at corner or offensive line.

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Griffin, Luck, Kalil, or Claiborne. Trade back if they are not available and take a QB.

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[quote=GTripp0012;872240]Well, I think there will be plenty of good players at every position available at sixth overall. And corner is one of the safest places you can go at the top of the draft.

To me though, Richardson belongs right below Andrew Luck as the top player in this draft. The only concern for me about Richardson as a player is he runs so hard and physical that he often has to come out of a game for a three play series after a brusing first down, and that really hurt the Alabama offense, particularly against LSU. But if Richardson only takes, say, 65% of our carries over the next three years, that plays right into the RB depth of our team with Helu/Royster.

We would have the best running game in the NFC East for the next three seasons if we picked Trent Richardson. Combined with the best group of LBs, now you really have something going. The quarterback situation still needs to be fixed in the same round, and that might cost you your third round pick to make that move, but with two fourths, you have that flexibility. That's my argument for Trent Richardson.

[B]If Richardson, Blackmon, Luck, and Griffin are all gone in the first five picks, then I'd start looking at corner or offensive line[/B].[/quote]

If that's the case, I'd be thrilled with either Morris Claiborne or Matt Kalil.

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If I told you that the Redskins could trade up to the first overall pick creatively, and it wouldn't cost us any of our young players, but it would cost you in sum: the 6th overall pick in 2012, our second round pick in 2012, our first round pick in 2013, and our second round pick in 2014, would you do that?

That's the price the Buccaneers paid to get Jon Gruden in 2002. And I think the same price could get the Redskins the first overall pick in this draft. I can explain if you wish.

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Unless Luck or RGIII slip to us or can be traded for relatively nothing, Id love to see a repeat of the most recent draft. Trade back and acquire more picks. Id like to see QB, OL, corner, LB or WR be the top priorities.

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[quote=Lotus;872148]What I think will happen: at #6 the Skins choose Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M[/quote]

I think Tannehill too, but it won't be 6th. We'll trade the 6th and move back to get Tannehill (or Foles maybe). I wouldn't rule out a FA QB either.

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[quote=GTripp0012;872255]If I told you that the Redskins could trade up to the first overall pick creatively, and it wouldn't cost us any of our young players, but it would cost you in sum: the 6th overall pick in 2012, our second round pick in 2012, our first round pick in 2013, and our second round pick in 2014, would you do that?

That's the price the Buccaneers paid to get Jon Gruden in 2002. And I think the same price could get the Redskins the first overall pick in this draft. I can explain if you wish.[/quote]


Yes I would and I predicted something like that in an earlier post

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;872161]Don't see that happening either. Shanny has stressed that we lack offensive playmakers and we do. I don't see us using a 1st round pick on a OT maybe 3rd but picks 1 and 2 will be QB/WR or WR/QB.[/quote]

Shanny likes late round O-linemen that fit his zone blocking scheme. Smaller, more agile guys.

We'll have to see what they do in free agency. Bowe and Colston are free agents. We all know about Flynn. Thankfully, they don't have any over paid scrubs crushing their cap space, so they can afford to make a splash in free agency. Beck and Grossman combined don't make as much as most team's starting QB. If they like Flynn, pay him and take care of other biz in the daft - WR, LB, CB, O-line.

I proposed this in another thread, because I heard the Bengals might want to trade down to get Richardson, but maybe they can get Cincy's 19th and 24th pick or one of their First round picks and their second round pick for the 6th pick. 3 picks in the first 2 rounds should give the 3 new starters on day one.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;872179]The washington redskins have traded the 6thoverall pick in 2012, their first overall in 2013 and their 2nd rounder in 2012 for the number one overall pick in 2012.

With the first pick in the 2012 NFL draft the redskins select Andrew luck QB Stanford[/quote]


here was mine Tripp

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[quote=IrMitchell;872187]Old Redskins mentality, been there done that. It failed many times.[/quote]

yeah, like 2010 when we signed bowen, otagwe, wilson, and cofield and made them all start...

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[quote=That Guy;872274]yeah, like 2010 when we signed bowen, otagwe, wilson, and cofield and made them all start...[/quote]

You're comparing those guys to Flynn, Jackson, Bowe, Grubbs money?

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[quote=44Deezel;872266]Shanny likes late round O-linemen that fit his zone blocking scheme. Smaller, more agile guys.

We'll have to see what they do in free agency. Bowe and Colston are free agents. We all know about Flynn. Thankfully, they don't have any over paid scrubs crushing their cap space, so they can afford to make a splash in free agency. Beck and Grossman combined don't make as much as most team's starting QB. If they like Flynn, pay him and take care of other biz in the daft - WR, LB, CB, O-line.

I proposed this in another thread, because I heard the Bengals might want to trade down to get Richardson, but maybe they can get Cincy's 19th and 24th pick or one of their First round picks and their second round pick for the 6th pick. 3 picks in the first 2 rounds should give the 3 new starters on day one.[/quote]

You mean the Browns want to trade down.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;872263]Yes I would and I predicted something like that in an earlier post[/quote]Didn't catch that before. Good call.

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Trade up I mean. Bengals have the 19th and 24th pick. Heard they really want Richardson. Most of the mock drafts I've seen have Richardson going 5th or 6th. Seeing as they are a playoff team even with a rookie QB, they probably believe they're only a player or two away from being a real contender. Skins obviously aren't, so getting 2 for 1 might not be a bad idea, especially if they can fill some needs in free agency.

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[quote=44Deezel;872283]Trade up I mean. Bengals have the 19th and 24th pick. Heard they really want Richardson. Most of the mock drafts I've seen have Richardson going 5th or 6th. Seeing as they are a playoff team even with a rookie QB, they probably believe they're only a player or two away from being a real contender. Skins obviously aren't, so getting 2 for 1 might not be a bad idea, especially if they can fill some needs in free agency.[/quote]

Going from 19th to 6th would be expensive. I'd say we'd at least swap firsts, get their second, and maybe even their third or fourth rounder. I'd be thrilled with that. Though, my concern still is whether or not that puts us out of reach of Tannehill. We'd be drafting behind the QB needy Seahawks. That could be risky...

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[quote=mbedner3420;872286]Going from 19th to 6th would be expensive. I'd say we'd at least swap firsts, get their second, and maybe even their third or fourth rounder. I'd be thrilled with that. Though, my concern still is whether or not that puts us out of reach of Tannehill. We'd be drafting behind the QB needy Seahawks. That could be risky...[/quote]

The assumption is that they would make this move if they addressed QB in free agency and wanted to use the 19th and 24th for other needs. Also assumes they can't get RGIII at 6.

It would be nice if they can address QB and WR in free agency and use Cincy's first round picks and our second on CB, LB and O-line.

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[quote=IrMitchell;872276]You're comparing those guys to Flynn, Jackson, Bowe, Grubbs money?[/quote]

A) they were not small contracts and that's 4 FAs, bowen wasn't really a starter for dallas but we paid him like he was a good proven full timer, which he wasn't really. same with cofield switching to NT.

B) Grubbs probably won't be that expensive, and I don't think we should sign every free agent available. Jackson is getting tagged anyways.

C) the "old" redskins blew money on bad players, if you pay someone value and they play at value, then how is that awful? just because a good player costs money doesn't make it an awful decision in and of itself. c'mon.

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[quote=GTripp0012;872255]If I told you that the Redskins could trade up to the first overall pick creatively, and it wouldn't cost us any of our young players, but it would cost you in sum: the 6th overall pick in 2012, our second round pick in 2012, our first round pick in 2013, and our second round pick in 2014, would you do that?

That's the price the Buccaneers paid to get Jon Gruden in 2002. And I think the same price could get the Redskins the first overall pick in this draft. I can explain if you wish.[/quote]

Yes I would do that, and yes, please explain your thoughts as to why it could happen.

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[quote=mbedner3420;872286]Going from 19th to 6th would be expensive. I'd say we'd at least swap firsts, get their second, and maybe even their third or fourth rounder. I'd be thrilled with that. Though, my concern still is whether or not that puts us out of reach of Tannehill. We'd be drafting behind the QB needy Seahawks. That could be risky...[/quote]

I would want both of their firsts and 2nd.

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[quote=Lotus;872148]What I think will happen: at #6 the Skins choose Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M[/quote]

that would be the worst draft pick ever. biggest reach of all time possibly

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I just want us to get Vontaze Burfict in round 2. We need that name on our roster and he fits a need. What's not to like?

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[quote=Big C;872303]that would be the worst draft pick ever. biggest reach of all time possibly[/quote]

I'm not saying that it is not a reach. But people do reach for QB's - look at last year's first round.

I think that Tannehill is going to go a lot higher than some people seem to think.

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With the sixth pick in the NFL Draft. The Minnesota Vikings select Jonathan Martin, Offensive Tackle, Stanford.

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[quote=TenandSix:Unacceptable;872307]I just want us to get Vontaze Burfict in round 2. We need that name on our roster and he fits a need. What's not to like?[/quote]

he will be long gone by round 2

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[quote=Big C;872316]he will be long gone by round 2[/quote]

no because he is such a head case and risky player he may be considered a reach if anything by round 2

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I can't stand how reckless Rex is at times. With that being said, let's get some more depth if there isn't a franchise QB available at 6. Get as many picks as we can, and hopefully a few for next years draft.

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One guy not being mentioned and flying under the radar is Russell Wilson.

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6th pick going to Rams as part of deal for Bradford. Fisher gets some ammo to build around RG3 when he's ready to take over for Peyton Manning

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;872330]One guy not being mentioned and flying under the radar is Russell Wilson.[/quote]

Whoa. You're talking about a guy with a 6th round grade from Scouts Inc. I mean sure his stock can improve but when was the last time you saw a guy jump from late round pick to first or second rounder in a matter of 3 or 4 months?

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[quote=SmootSmack;872331]6th pick going to Rams as part of [B]deal for Bradford[/B]. Fisher gets some ammo to build around RG3 when he's ready to take over for Peyton Manning[/quote]

Don't play with my emotions like that I got real excited for a moment.