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[quote=NC_Skins;872710]They are going to franchise their TE, not Flynn. The Skins aren't even interested in Flynn.

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They were going to franchise thier TE. Now they can draft one with the pick they recieve, or just sign him. Matt Flynn is going to bring a first or second round pick. Maybe we end up trading our first for thiers. Maybe we are not even players. But I have heard two former Gm's say they would give a first for him if they were the Redskins.

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[quote=SmootSmack;872724]Fisher's agent is the father of the Rams' Chief Operating Officer.

Apparently Fisher's first choice was the Chargers and the chance to be back home in California and coach Phillip Rivers. But now with Turner likely returning, he's looking elsewhere

The appeal of Bradford in St. Louis is definitely there for Fisher. But there's also been speculation he may bring in someone like Orton and move Bradford for picks to build up the team[/quote]
That would be one stupid move in my opinion. I would lose all respect for Fisher if he did that.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;872746]They were going to franchise thier TE. Now they can draft one with the pick they recieve, or just sign him. Matt Flynn is going to bring a first or second round pick. Maybe we end up trading our first for thiers. Maybe we are not even players. But I have heard two former Gm's say they would give a first for him if they were the Redskins.[/quote]



Anybody that would give up a first rounder for Flynn is a ****ing idiot. Vinny is no longer a GM so I seriously doubt any would. If these guys actually said they would give up a first rounder for Flynn, I can see why they are "former" GMs.


Also, nobody is going to pay Flynn a 16million dollar salary if he's franchised either. Not going to happen.

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[quote=SmootSmack;872663]We don't want to trade our 1st and 2nd for Bradford. Possibly one or the other. More likely this year's 1st plus future high picks. It's tough to know right now because no one knows who is going to be running the Rams

[B]I wouldn't take Jones or Tannehill at #6. But I don't think either falls below 12-15.[/B] With QBs though, there's always the possibility someone reaches.

I could end up being totally wrong here. But I liken the Flynn talk to Peppers from a couple of years ago. When just about everyone was linking Julius Peppers to the Redskins, and what did I repeatedly say here? The Redskins had no interest and he wasn't coming here...and he didn't[/quote]

What would be interesting is to see if they think they can drop back & still get Jones or Tannehill. If Blakmon is still there at 6 I think some offers could come in. If a J. Jones type offer comes in, that's too good to pass up even if you need a franchise qb.

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If STL prefers RGIII over Bradford, they can't possibly get two first day picks for him. Not for Bradford's contract and his history of injuries. Teams should call their bluff.

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[quote=NC_Skins;872749]Anybody that would give up a first rounder for Flynn is a ****ing idiot. Vinny is no longer a GM so I seriously doubt any would. If these guys actually said they would give up a first rounder for Flynn, I can see why they are "former" GMs.


Also, nobody is going to pay Flynn a 16million dollar salary if he's franchised either. Not going to happen.[/quote]
You are wrong. There is only a few peolpe in the world that ever get to be GMs. There is never more than 32 at any given time, and there are 7 billion people in the world. His cap figure would be 14 million. His contract would be re-negotiated prior to anyone giving anything. Good QBs are more rare than GM's. There are only ten in 7 billion. As much as we hate Rex Grossman, he is the 28 th best quarterback in the world. I am going to post the last ten years of first round quarterbacks taken so you can see how few really succeed.

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what is so great about hoyer? hes never done anything in the pros and wasnt heralded in the draft either, so what is the deal with his hype?

same goes for flynn, because he was even being hyped before he had the 1 good game. 7th round pick, no nfl pedigree, backup. what made these guys attractive options to begin with? i dont understand.

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[quote=diehard;872752]If STL prefers RGIII over Bradford, they can't possibly get two first day picks for him. Not for Bradford's contract and his history of injuries. Teams should call their bluff.[/quote]


Im thinking that if STL trades Bradford it will be with the intentions to move up and get Luck. Like they give up their second overall pick, plus our 6th overall pick they got from us for Bradford.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/id/7419742/robert-griffin-iii-not-andrew-luck-right-pick-indianapolis-colts]Robert Griffin III, not Andrew Luck, the right pick for Indianapolis Colts - ESPN[/url]

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Smootsmack, with regards to Flynn and other FA QB's that are still playing (since their team is in the playoffs) have you heard of any teams that have interest in him/them. I guess my question is, do teams show legit interest in a QB before he reaches his offseason? If so do you know of any team showing interest in Flynn?

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[quote=freddyg12;872750]What would be interesting is to see if they think they can drop back & still get Jones or Tannehill. If Blakmon is still there at 6 I think some offers could come in. If a J. Jones type offer comes in, that's too good to pass up even if you need a franchise qb.[/quote]

Well the Seahawks, who I still think are the favorites for Flynn, will take one of those guys at 12 (I think it's 12) if they're available (and they don't get Flynn)

And there's also the Dolphins, who interestingly enough could be interviewing Mike Sherman for a head coaching position.

So they can't drop back too much it seems

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[quote=mlmpetert;872757]Smootsmack, with regards to Flynn and other FA QB's that are still playing (since their team is in the playoffs) have you heard of any teams that have interest in him/them. I guess my question is, do teams show legit interest in a QB before he reaches his offseason? If so do you know of any team showing interest in Flynn?[/quote]

Have heard the Browns, Seahawks, and Dolphins are all interested in Flynn. It's all just "off the record" interest. Usually buzz from scouts talking to each other on road trips

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[quote=Dirtbag59;872717]My biggest fear with Flynn is not that he'll be the next Kolb but rather the next Brees. An UFA franchise changing QB that was there for the taking but passed up by us.[/quote]

That's how I see him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;872634]So I think Plan A is make a run for Sam Bradford and possibly add someone like a Jimmy Clausen/Brian Hoyer. Though Hoyer may cost too much to not start him. Bradford and Clausen! Could you imagine, how silly would that be. Plan B is draft a Jones/Tannehill and someone like Grossman or Josh Johnson is the veteran/transition QB.

My gut prediction as of today...Landry Jones (I know I've been saying Tannehill but I'm honestly going back and forth on the two) and Rex returns as the backup.[/quote]Landry Jones would make the most sense of all the available quarterbacks for what we are already doing here.

But obvious caveat here: what we're doing in 2011 and 2012 may not resemble what we are doing in 2013 and 2014. And there are really significant red flags with Landry Jones. I think Brian Hoyer is a much better bet to be a starting quality NFL quarterback. But he fits what we're doing less than Jones' skill set does.

What's weird is that no one I have talked to thinks that the Redskins have any interest in Sam Bradford. Like, any, as in: wouldn't pick him up if he was a free agent. With that said, no one I have talked to would know what the Redskins are talking about behind the Bruce Allen-sanctioned curtain of secrecy. It's more like a "what everyone knows about the Redskins" thing.

The biggest thing with Bradford is that he's one of the pieces that makes the Rams as an appealing a job as it is. A lot of this rumor mill stuff is totally dependent on who the Rams (and really the Colts) hire, and what their opinions are on football matters.

And this Bradford thing has a really good chance to become a repeat of the Rick Mirer trade when a QB with a sensational college career gets dealt two years in to a team desperate for a quarterback. I just don't see any specific reason to believe that the Redskins are going to get involved.

Though what we do know about Mike Shanahan is this: his draft day grades carry weight for a very, very long time after draft day. If he really did love Bradford on draft day (which I am disputing), he probably still loves him now, recent evidence be damned.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;872763]That's how I see him.[/quote]

the difference is that brees and kolb were both 2nd round qbs with some pedigree, and brees had already had success in the nfl over an entire season. flynn has yet to do that, and was a 7th round pick.

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And I only want Bradford and Clausen if we can also get Tebow and McCoy on the same roster. Screw the McNabb trade, we've got the whole 2010 QB draft!

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I still say wait and take Foles in the 2nd or 3rd if he drops.

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I'll probably say this a lot between now and mid-March, but Chad Henne is younger, more proven and has better tools than Matt Flynn. See for yourself:

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HennCh01.htm]Chad Henne NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FlynMa00.htm]Matt Flynn NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

I'm not even sure I understand the argument for Flynn over Henne. We don't know how good Flynn is? The Packers are better at developing QBs than the Dolphins? A mixture of weak reasoning?

Henne should get at least one and a half times what Flynn gets in guaranteed money.

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Well, this just in. Broncos looking like a sleeper team preparing an offer to move to #2 for the chance to get RGIII. Biggest competition likely the Browns who can probably offer more.

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^ i was figuring denver would be making a hige play for one of the top two in this draft

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[quote=SmootSmack;872771]Well, this just in. Broncos looking like a sleeper team preparing an offer to move to #2 for the chance to get RGIII. Biggest competition likely the Browns who can probably offer more.[/quote]

Well this blows. So much for picking up Sam Bradford. Oh well, I'm sure FO interest in him would have waned in a few weeks anyway...

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Our QB priority:

1. Luck

2. Bradford

3. RG3

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[quote=mbedner3420;872774]Well this blows. So much for picking up Sam Bradford. Oh well, I'm sure FO interest in him would have waned in a few weeks anyway...[/quote]

Dude, shit changes faster than you can sneeze in the NFL. I think there's a good chance the Skins will get their man or men, whomever that is. Cash is always king.

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[quote=30gut;872736]Thanks for the info, I'm a bit surprised by the view of Jones as more of an immediate starter then Tannehill though.

There is no dount that Tannehill lacks experience but he actually knows [I][B]this[/B][/I] offense because A&M runs it; this actually gives him a leg up in learning the offense especially considering that Jones comes from a spread.

Tannehill isn't as inexperienced as most think and will have more snaps then Cam Newton and Mark Sanchez both of whom were day 1 starters.

There's as much to suggest that he could be a day 1 or midseason as their is to suggest that he needs to sit for a season.[/quote]I think Landry Jones could start day one in Kyle's offense because I don't think Kyle's offense requires the quarterback to have a great grasp of coverages to complete passes down the field.

The biggest Landry Jones problem is how much his accuracy suffers when he is pressured. I mean, every quarterback's accuracy suffers when pressured, but when Jones can stand back and deliver the football, he's really accurate. When he has to move, he has awful fundamentals. Right now, Landry Jones lacks even the ability to buy an extra half second to get rid of the ball. Which should be worrisome.

I still think he's a much better fit than Tannehill. Kyle requires a passer with superior pocket mechanics.

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[quote=SmootSmack;872771]Well, this just in. Broncos looking like a sleeper team preparing an offer to move to #2 for the chance to get RGIII. Biggest competition likely the Browns who can probably offer more.[/quote]

I just can't see anyone having the ammo that the Browns have to move up in the draft.

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To be clear, getting Bradford was always going to be a tough putt.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;872771]Well, this just in. Broncos looking like a sleeper team preparing an offer to move to #2 for the chance to get RGIII. Biggest competition likely the Browns who can probably offer more.[/QUOTE]

The Tebow lovefest is over and they're not even eliminated from the playoffs?

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[quote=12thMan;872776]Dude, shit changes faster than you can sneeze in the NFL. I think there's a good chance the Skins will get their man or men, whomever that is. Cash is always king.[/quote]

No, I know it does. Which is why I don't put much stock into us getting Bradford. 1) It'll become too costly (when you can only deal in picks and players), 2) (as you stated) things change quickly in the NFL. They'll be uninterested in Bradford in a few weeks just as their interest in Sanchez quickly deminished.

They'll get their man, but it might not necessarily be the flavor of this week.

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I don't see how the broncos can just go up and offer more than us, being that their in the playoffs, and we aren't. The broncos could be picking in the late 20's when its all said and done. Do they REALLY think their a QB away from being a contender? I can find 5 areas on their team that they could use some up grading on their DT's, MLB, FS, CB, G, T.

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[quote=Chico23231;872775]Our QB priority:

1. Luck

2. Bradford

3. RG3[/quote]

1. Not going to happen.
2. Not going to happen.
3. Not going to happen.

I hope they've got a Plan D.

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Damn, it's January 3rd and I'm already exhausted. We're going to do this for the next 4 months, aren't we?

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[quote=Paintrain;872788]Damn, it's January 3rd and I'm already exhausted. We're going to do this for the next 4 months, aren't we?[/quote]

Yup... :party-smi

I'd be shocked if the colts took RG

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[quote=mooby;872781]The Tebow lovefest is over and they're not even eliminated from the playoffs?[/quote]

LOL, i know i agree thats kinda shitty, but, Elway never said he had his qb of the future, in fact he said the opposite, so Im not surprised, tebow wont be on the broncos next year. barring a SB win.

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Only a couple days removed from the last game of the regular season, and the rumors of where these quarterbacks are going to land next season are already mind boggling. I think it's a stretch that Denver will be able to move up to #2 to land RG III. I don't see that happening at all.

I'm almost expecting the Redskins to merely grab a better backup QB through free agency, use their draft picks to continue building depth, and living with Rex one more year in hopes of landing Barkley next year. Might not be such a bad idea.

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^ I have also mulled this thought, i think its a strong possibility

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[quote=skinsguy;872810]Only a couple days removed from the last game of the regular season, and the rumors of where these quarterbacks are going to land next season are already mind boggling. I think it's a stretch that Denver will be able to move up to #2 to land RG III. I don't see that happening at all.

I'm almost expecting the Redskins to merely grab a better backup QB through free agency, use their draft picks to continue building depth, and living with Rex one more year in [U][B]hopes of landing Barkley next year[/B][/U]. Might not be such a bad idea.[/quote]

And if the Skins go 6-9, with a bottom third pick again?

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[quote=SmootSmack;872759]Well the Seahawks, who I still think are the favorites for Flynn, will take one of those guys at 12 (I think it's 12) if they're available (and they don't get Flynn)

And there's also the Dolphins, who interestingly enough could be interviewing Mike Sherman for a head coaching position.

So they can't drop back too much it seems[/quote]

Although I seem to be the only one here arguing for grabbing Tannehill or Jones at #6, this is why. I would not trade back any later than #8. Otherwise the Fins or Seahawks may grab our guy, thus meaning we've missed our guy for the second straight year. Reach be damned - get your guy.

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[quote=GTripp0012;872777]I think Landry Jones could start day one in Kyle's offense because I don't think Kyle's offense requires the quarterback to have a great grasp of coverages to complete passes down the field.[/quote]I think either QB has the skillset to start or sit.
I'm not into predicting whether a QB can/will start.
Its largely dependent on the volition of the staff that drafts them.

[quote]The biggest Landry Jones problem is how much his accuracy suffers when he is pressured. I mean, every quarterback's accuracy suffers when pressured, but when Jones can stand back and deliver the football, he's really accurate. When he has to move, he has awful fundamentals. Right now, Landry Jones lacks even the ability to buy an extra half second to get rid of the ball. Which should be worrisome.[/quote]Yeah, that's one of the reason why I think Tannehill is a better prospect.

[quote]I still think he's a much better fit than Tannehill. Kyle requires a passer with superior pocket mechanics[/quote]Que paso?

I don't follow your reasoning on why you think Jones is a better fit?
Tannehill knows the offense, Tannehill is more mobile and can extend plays.