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[quote=SmootSmack;879680]

Colt McCoy: Haven't heard his name mentioned even once to DC..which is why I keep saying he's the sleeper QB we're going to get

[/quote]

This would be my ideal. Trade the six pick for McCoy and the 22nd pick and a 4th or 5th round pick. Of course it only makes sense if nobody leaps Cleveland to take RG3 with the Rams 2nd overall. Maybe we could work a three team with the Rams to ensure they get RG3 and an offensive playmaker (Blackmon or Richardson).

I would hate trading Rak and a bunch of picks to move up to 2.

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[quote=Chico23231;879726]Is it too crazy to think the Colts would like RG3 more than Luck? I dont think it is[/quote]It's an easy way to avoid the Manning-Luck drama. Get a ton of picks, and pick up a QB you really like instead of perhaps the best available QB.

If Manning is released by the Colts though, the gap between Luck and Griffin looks so much bigger than it does if Manning is the Colts starting QB in 2012 or 2013. So much of the value of having Luck is that he's (when grading conceptually) one of the three or four most advanced NFL prospects since Manning. So many of Luck's bad plays in college are just arrogance: "I can make this throw back across my body deep to the post because I'm Andrew Luck, and no one else in college ever throws this ball." There's only about 6 or 7 guys in the pros who make the throws Luck makes in college.

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[quote=IrMitchell;879715]And I heard that the Patriots are talking about a trade that sends Brady to the Redskins..

Man, no disrespect (at all), but how on earth do you know this? I mean, really??[/quote]

We've been through this. I've been "in the biz" for 15 years. I don't get everything right but members here were the first to know about:

Betts' new contract
Our interest in Andre Carter
Our interest in Haynesworth
That we were going to draft Trent Williams
Sign Grossman
Sign Torain
Not be interested in Peppers
Dockery's crazy contract figures before he sign with Buffalo
Steve Jackson's firing
Keenan's firing
That we were going to draft Hankerson

And so on

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Why not target Matt Schaub. With the success of Yates last year wouldn't that make Schaub exespendable? What would be his price tag?

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Why do you even bother responding to the peanut gallery SS?...lol I'm glad we have so few like him that act like that. Most of us understand the deal and realize the information is changing constantly.

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Smoot, do you know what SC was referring to with the 72 hr deal? I know you guys talked so I wasn't sure if he mentioned some work around as it related to trading before the new league year.

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Thanks SS for always bring us the goods. Question though, do you ever get bit pissed when your info suddenly starts popping up on other boards? Do you keep an eye on that?

Tripp, agree Luck the is man by a decent margin, but the reason i say that is the Colts have been unpredictable this offseason and their timing on things is just strange. Why not think they may do another strange thing with taking RG3 over Luck.

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[quote=Chico23231;879737]Thanks SS for always bring us the goods. Question though, do you ever get bit pissed when your info suddenly starts popping up on other boards? Do you keep an eye on that?

Tripp, agree Luck the is man by a decent margin, but the reason i say that is the Colts have been unpredictable this offseason and their timing on things is just strange. Why not think they may do another strange thing with taking RG3 over Luck.[/quote]Right now I think Griffin is overvalued by the draftniks. Doesn't mean he won't be totally awesome when he gets to the pros and make seven pro bowls in a long career. But the idea that you need to get to no. 2 overall to have a shot at getting a guy who has zero chance of going no. 1 overall just isn't reality.

The reason Griffin makes some sense for the Colts at no. 2 overall is because they pick up a treasure trove of draft choices to go to no. 2, where as every other team except the Rams has to give up picks to go to 2. So the Colts can get a drafts' worth of picks, and get a QB they like anyway. That makes sense for the Colts, who still have Peyton Manning on their team. It doesn't make sense for the Redskins to trade a lot of picks to go to no. 2 and grab an overvalued draft asset, even if they really like the player.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;879706]Doubtful the Skins could get both Bradford and Blackmon - - but keep a good thought...[/quote]

It was based on the scenario of getting Bradford and the Rams pick that was mentioned.

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[quote=IrMitchell;879715]And I heard that the Patriots are talking about a trade that sends Brady to the Redskins..

Man, no disrespect (at all), but how on earth do you know this? I mean, really??[/quote]

They follow bleacher report religiously

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[quote=Chico23231;879737]Thanks SS for always bring us the goods. Question though, do you ever get bit pissed when your info suddenly starts popping up on other boards? Do you keep an eye on that?[/quote]


Not speaking on behalf of SS here, but I've never seen any of SS's info passed on the ES boards.(i only lurk there...too many idiots to post) They have 3 guys there that are insiders themselves so it's amazing to see how much the info is the same. I think SS has broader intel in terms of happenings around the league and most of theirs is centered around the Skins. The only intel that seems to be conflicting with those guys is the RGIII thing. I think 2 of them don't think we are sold on him as the other does. (which SS seems to also think)

I sometimes feel for those guys because they take a beating when they send out intel or if said intel doesn't come true. You have idiots that don't realize the nature of the NFL in terms of things constantly changing. Decisions made 10 minutes ago could be changed by tomorrow morning. It is what it is.

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[quote=tryfuhl;879744]They follow bleacher report religiously[/quote]

Hahahaha

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[quote=diehardskin2982;879731]Why not target Matt Schaub. With the success of Yates last year wouldn't that make Schaub exespendable? What would be his price tag?[/quote]
For that matter, why not Yates? Schaub has missed significant time 3 out of 5 seasons with the Texans. If I'm the Texans I keep a backup (or 3) at QB if Schaub is the starter.

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I was not about to get into an argument in the other thread or be rude about the topic but here I call BS. No way the team is making 3 way trades, no way the team is throwing not only this year but several future years just to jump to the #1 or #2 spot.

As I have said I believe the team is putting a lot of misinformation out there to not only keep people guessing but to make others possibly throw away their draft to move up.

I'm telling you we'll pick up a FA QB, either stay at #6 or trade back for more picks, and pick up one of these really good WRs and a QB in the draft. My guess still has not changed:

Weeden.

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Thanks for the intel, SS! That is so helpful.


[quote=celts32;879690]This sentence makes me giddy..."The Redskins are exhausting all possibilities to get either Luck or Bradford and expect to get one or the other."[/quote]

Me too. So much awesomeness to dream about as a possibility.

I just don't see us giving up that much also when do 3 team trades ever happen in the NFL?

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[quote=Chico23231;879737]Thanks SS for always bring us the goods. Question though, do you ever get bit pissed when your info suddenly starts popping up on other boards? Do you keep an eye on that?

Tripp, agree Luck the is man by a decent margin, but the reason i say that is the Colts have been unpredictable this offseason and their timing on things is just strange. Why not think they may do another strange thing with taking RG3 over Luck.[/quote]

I don't check out the other boards really. I was on ES once and happened to see someone had posted pretty much word for word about the trade for Jammal Brown that i told you guys was going to happen several months before it did. I know who it was on this forum that posted it there, but I won't call them out.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;879767]I just don't see us giving up that much also when do 3 team trades ever happen in the NFL?[/quote]

Well I know Shanahan was involved in 2, one that brought Duckett here and another that got ATL Abraham

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;879772]Well I know Shanahan was involved in 2, one that brought Duckett here and another that got ATL Abraham[/QUOTE]

True I suppose, I'd love luck or Bradford though damn

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[quote=SBXVII;879753]I was not about to get into an argument in the other thread or be rude about the topic but here I call BS. No way the team is making 3 way trades, no way the team is throwing not only this year but several future years just to jump to the #1 or #2 spot.

As I have said I believe the team is putting a lot of misinformation out there to not only keep people guessing but to make others possibly throw away their draft to move up.

I'm telling you we'll pick up a FA QB, either stay at #6 or trade back for more picks, and pick up one of these really good WRs and a QB in the draft. My guess still has not changed:

Weeden.[/quote]

I wouldnt waste anyones time with BS

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[quote=SmootSmack;879774]I wouldnt waste anyones time with BS[/quote]

Keep doing what you are doing bro. Much appreciated.


I would do backflips from here (g'ville,NC) to Redskins park if they pull of the Luck trade. I'm hoping like hell that Indy has RGIII ranked close to Luck come draft time.

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I truly cannot picture Andrew Luck wearing John Beck's jersey next year... I just can't wrap my brain around him being a Redskin.

Though... People who have seen my in-game posts (where whatever I type is immediately contradicted) would think that maybe this is a really good thing.... lol

What about Joe webb as a possible camp competitor? I actually like him as a backup anyway

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[quote=mbedner3420;879735]Smoot, do you know what SC was referring to with the 72 hr deal? I know you guys talked so I wasn't sure if he mentioned some work around as it related to trading before the new league year.[/quote]

Nope. As I said originally I've never heard of the Vikings being involved, so that's him

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I just can't believe that any of these scenarios make sense to the Colts.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;879784]I just can't believe that any of these scenarios make sense to the Colts.[/quote]

If they thought RGIII was close to Luck in terms of a prospect and what they wanted to do with their new system. It would make huge sense for them to make that sort of deal and pick up extra picks. They are most likely going to gut that team so they need all the picks they can get.

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[quote=GTripp0012;879725]Can't our first round pick alone become a QB more skilled than Sam Bradford? You have the sixth pick in the draft: that's more valuable than Sam Bradford, even if you strip the value of the pick to simply taking the best QB available.[/quote]

Luck and rg3 are the only qbs I'd take with a first round pick and they'll be gone

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[quote=SmootSmack;879781]Nope. As I said originally I've never heard of the Vikings being involved, so that's him[/quote]

To clarify I've heard rumors but not through any of my own sources

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Wow.

I've read pretty much every post on this board and agree with all of them. I have found that me being a pessimist, is a great thing, because if I'm right, I'm right. If I'm wrong, I'll be very happy because we will have just gotten Andrew Luck, the Franchise QB we have been looking for since Sonny Jurgensen.

I don't see it happening, because like people have said why would Indy pass up a great player to give him to us, regardless of what players and picks we give them?

The more I watch gold ole' reliable SportsCenter and NFLN, the more I think Peyton Will Be Cut.

If Peyton were there in Indy, then I would buy this rumor more, because I think RG3 would be more cooperative than Luck.


I would love, having Luck on this team, even bradford, but not as much as Luck. Also I would trade Orakpo for Luck, but not for Bradford.

Again thanks for the info, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

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[quote=SmootSmack;879787]To clarify I've heard rumors but not through any of my own sources[/quote]

Have you heard any rumors about the Skins looking into Yates or Schaub?

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Nope.

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[quote=celts32;879695]Respectfully disagree with every word of this post.

Who said Orakpo wanted to be traded? The Redskins shopping Orakpo and Orakpo wanting to be traded are two entirely different things...[/quote]

All of this and chips and pickles on the side

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[quote=SmootSmack;879792]Nope.[/quote]

Well that sucks. I would think that their price tag probrally would've been lower.

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[quote=SmootSmack;879774]I wouldnt waste anyones time with BS[/quote]

I'm not saying that you are making it up. I think the Skins are doing everything possible to get a decent QB and exploring all avenues, and in some cases I think they are doing or saying things they have no intention of doing in order to keep other teams from knowing what they would like to do. If other teams knew we were putting all our chips in for Flynn then some other team might try to out bid just because if we want him he must be good or try for him just to shaft us and if nothing else to drive up the price. If no one is sure of what we are doing then its harder to shaft the Skins.

Again I'm not saying your making it up or passing BS on purpose, I'm saying I think your passing on information the team is wanting to get out through the rumor mill and in the mean time having a totally different direction they are actually wanting to go in.

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[quote=SBXVII;879797]I'm not saying that you are making it up. I think the Skins are doing everything possible to get a decent QB and exploring all avenues, and in some cases I think they are doing or saying things they have no intention of doing in order to keep other teams from knowing what they would like to do. If other teams knew we were putting all our chips in for Flynn then some other team might try to out bid just because if we want him he must be good or try for him just to shaft us and if nothing else to drive up the price. If no one is sure of what we are doing then its harder to shaft the Skins.

Again I'm not saying your making it up or passing BS on purpose, I'm saying I think your passing on information the team is wanting to get out through the rumor mill and in the mean time having a totally different direction they are actually wanting to go in.[/quote]

I don't know SmootSmack personally, but I can tell you I've been on the Warpath A LOT longer than you have, and one thing I do know for sure is that SmootSmack doesn't post info like this unless he checks it out with credible sources first. Even then, he has stated this info is in the form of a "rumor". But, I would bet my clean pair of Monday's underwear that if Smack is ever wrong, it's not often and/or it's because the team did in fact consider a certain option he has stated, but decided for option B (or C) instead. Smack has a great reputation around here...and I respect HIM a lot. If he's completely and utterly wrong, we'll egg his house. ;-)

Here's how I see it all playing out..

Matt Flynn to Miami
Andrew luck to colts
Sam stays in stl
Skins move up for RG3
Browns keep McCoy but also sign JC
jets trade Sanchez to Seahawks
Jets sign Manning
And in the big shocker!!!!! Brees stays:)

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^ I agree with that entire post.

Also to the persons comment a page back, when smoot speaks, we listen.

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[quote=SmootSmack;879680]So we've got two big rumors at play here.

SC and I have researched this independently but in many ways our information does intersect So let's run through it:

Peyton Manning: Our own sources are telling us it's not an option. Which is what I've been saying. Where he ends up I don't know. I don't think it's so definitive that he won't return to Indy

Robert Griffin 3: Yes, we like him but all this talk of being enamored with him and looking to trade up to get him appears to only be a smokescreen. If he's there at 6, sure. But, as of right now, there's no interest in giving up picks to move up for him. At least, that's what I've heard. I actually am not even sure we'd take him if he's there at 6. But then, I thought the same about Landry

Mark Sanchez: Since I've brought him up before, let me just say that it looks less and less like an option, even if he's available

Matt Flynn: I haven't heard from anyone I trust that we're interested

Brian Hoyer: Patriots want to keep him, but we'd be interested for sure if he is available

Colt McCoy: Haven't heard his name mentioned even once to DC..which is why I keep saying he's the sleeper QB we're going to get

Ok, let's get to the real story here:

Andrew Luck/Sam Bradford: Well, these are the big guns. I'm hearing a lot more about a 3-way trade that gets us the #1 pick (Andrew Luck), gets the Colts #2
(RG3, plus picks) and gets the Rams #6 (plus picks and a player). I mean publically no one is talking about this at all, but I know of people inside the organization that are talking about it. Inside the Colts organization that is

SC is hearing a lot more about a 3-way trade that gets us Sam Bradford, the Rams #3 and picks and gets the Vikings #6, picks, and Orakpo. We've each heard variations of what the other has heard. On my end the Bradford talk has been a bit quiet in recent weeks as the Luck talk has heated up ([B]incidentally who was it here that said Orton to the Colts? Because that's apparently very much a
possibility[/B]). Incidentally, no rumors I've heard involving Bradford coming to the Redskins include the Vikings. So if that happens, that's all SC.

Getting Luck would seem to be a bit more unattainable than getting Bradford, but it may not be. But bottom line: The Redskins are exhausting all possibilities to get either Luck or Bradford and expect to get one or the other. Also, they plan on adding two QBs this offseason (not Luck & Bradford, of course). And, I know you guys thought I was crazy when I brought it up this fall and when I didn't lock the thread someone else had started on the possibility, but we're shopping Orakpo in order to get our QB. Maybe other players as well, thought not Trent Williams. But especially Orakpo

And for those few of you who I have already talked to about this, it appears the # of picks may be a bit
less than originally mentioned for Luck. Actually considerably less, but it's still potentially a handful. But apparently nothing below our 2nd this year

And I realize the notion of being able to get Luck seems absurd but we wouldn't bring it up if we didn't think the sources suggesting it weren't reliable.

If you want to know if I think we'll actually land Luck or Bradford...I'd be surprised. (I don't even think we're drafting any QB in the first round for that matter). My own gut at this time says we're signing/trading for a veteran, and someone like Wilson or Keenum in the last rounds. I've heard Cousins is at the top of our 2nd tier, meaning after Luck/Bradford. So good prediction there Tripp. But Luck/Bradford are who I'm told is at the top of their board. ...And it's only January[/quote]


Thanks for the good rumor info, should hold me for about 72 hours. Thanks for Acknowledgeing my Orton rumor, heard on a radio talkshow. When you can keep updating the rumors. I'm sure things will change even more after the Combine & pro days.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;879731]Why not target Matt Schaub. With the success of Yates last year wouldn't that make Schaub exespendable? What would be his price tag?[/quote]

Success?

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When the colts release manning, I see him wanting to play in Houston. With manning at qb, the texans would be the best team in the nfl.