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Doughty is average and he fields a position that usually is occupied by average players.
That said based on what hes done on and off the field I'd love to have a Doughty jersey.
(under $50.00 of course)

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[quote=NC_Skins;891312]Cap room doesn't mean you overpay guys for that aren't producing up to their salary. Do you think Bill Gates pays a janitor 400k a year? Nope. Why not? He has the money to do so if he chose. It's about doing smart business which is something we have long neglected. Cooley is going to have to restructure to stay, which I'm quite positive he will. He knows that Fred Davis is the #1 now, so he'll be a great guy coming off the bench or in the 2 TE set.[/quote]

That janitor probably made $millions in stock options;)

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I think all this talk of how well he is doing is aimed at getting him that 28 million on Thursday, and if that fails, drawing interest for him in free agency.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;891462]I think all this talk of how well he is doing is aimed at getting him that 28 million on Thursday, and if that fails, drawing interest for him in free agency.[/quote]

Everything else in this situation has been coldly calculated. So why not this too?

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[quote=T.O.Killa;891462]I think all this talk of how well he is doing is aimed at getting him that 28 million on Thursday, and if that fails, drawing interest for him in free agency.[/quote]

I don't think anything he does at this point is going to get the Colts to give him that $28M.

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[quote=Mattyk;891483]I don't think anything he does at this point is going to get the Colts to give him that $28M.[/quote]
You know maybe not, but if that were the case why have'nt they llet him go yet. Maybe they are negotiating to keep him and all this talk along with the video are being put out there to get them to increase their offer. One of the guys I respect the most thinks the Colts want to keep him, Gil Brandt.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;891494]You know maybe not, but if that were the case why have'nt they llet him go yet. Maybe they are negotiating to keep him and all this talk along with the video are being put out there to get them to increase their offer. One of the guys I respect the most thinks the Colts want to keep him, Gil Brandt.[/quote]

Like everything else, these things always go down to the last minute.

This way the Colts can say, we did our due diligence, we weighed all the options and in the end we had to do what we felt was best for the organization.

He's not staying.

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[quote=Ruhskins;891392]I would rather they find a replacement for the guys in front of him. Although, the coaches seem to have faith in him for some reason, he seems to be going into the Rabach zone (a player that was kept from year to year despite their poor abilities).[/quote]

The last two years I was quite surprised when he made the team coming out of the final cut down to 53.

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[quote=Mattyk;891483]I don't think anything he does at this point is going to get the Colts to give him that $28M.[/quote]

What else does he have to prove to that organization?

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;891650]What else does he have to prove to that organization?[/quote]

That he can make more than one long throw via something other than a handheld, home made video at Duke's practice facility that is posted on YouTube.

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Would like to see this guy on our team, although I think the texans are going to sign him.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/04/paul-soliai-will-probably-hit-the-open-market/]Paul Soliai will probably hit the open market | ProFootballTalk[/url]


DL rotation Bowen, Cofield, Neild, Jenkins, Carriker, & Soliai. Would be nice.

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Pierre Garcon, Vincent Jackson, Stevie Johnson, Marques Colston, or Eddie Royal. I'm interested to see which WR we sign.

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And NYC that would be a great D-Line rotation.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;891299] The new nickel corner is either Josh Wilson or a FA..[/quote]

Whos the new starter?

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If we sign Brandon Carr I assume him.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;891756]If we sign Brandon Carr I assume him.[/quote]

I heard the Cowboys are going to make a big push for Carr.

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i would be happy with carr as my first choice but would gladly pick up finnegan if we do decide to pick up a corner that is. what about safety if LaRon goes? i dont trust Gomes, maybe Griffin from Tennessee?

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;891755]Whos the new starter?[/quote]janoris jenkins is the next pacman jones, only a lot better

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Carr, Finnegan, or Grimes, either would be fine, and if Landry doesn't return Michael Griffin would be nice.

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I don't think Janoris is the walking arrest that Pac Man was.

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I wouldn't be surprised if the Redskins go into the season with Gomes starting at strong safety. He didn't play either good or bad as a rookie, but I'm betting he'll develop into a quality player over time. Bruce Allen drafted Gomes for a reason, I'm sure.

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i think Grimes is tagged. i think Gomes is alright but in this defense you need a very good and active safety. i really just hope laRon comes back but not likely

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;891775]I don't think Janoris is the walking arrest that Pac Man was.[/quote]Yeah, my biggest concern with Jenkins isn't his checkered past or college tape, it's his age.

2012 age for 1st round projected CBs:
Claiborne - 22
Gilmore - 22
Boykin - 22
Kirkpatrick - 23
Jenkins - 24

To put context on that number, Johnathan Joseph signed with the Texans after a five year career in Cincinnati, and went to the pro bowl at age 27 for the first time. Claiborne, Gilmore, and Boykin will all be free agents before that age.

I think he's a first round value, but it's more troublesome that he's advanced in age compared to the other players at his position at the top of the draft than it is that it is that he's got a bunch of kids or got kicked off the Florida Gators.

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hes not 24 utnil the end of october, hes 23 which is an average rookie age. I would love this pick in the second round if we still have that pick and hes still there.

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If we get Janoris in the 2nd I'll be happy.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;891785]hes not 24 utnil the end of october, hes 23 which is an average rookie age. I would love this pick in the second round if we still have that pick and hes still there.[/quote]Well, 23 is not the average rookie age if we're talking age on draft day (though I was not), 22 is.

The bigger point is that he's 15-21 months older than his peers, with "his peers" meaning "other first round draft picks at the CB position."

That's the bigger deal with his age. In other context, he's a couple months younger than Carlos Rogers was on draft day 2005, and that more than anything prevented Rogers from getting a second contract here.

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[quote=GTripp0012;891789]Well, 23 is not the average rookie age if we're talking age on draft day (though I was not), 22 is.

The bigger point is that he's 15-21 months older than his peers, with "his peers" meaning "other first round draft picks at the CB position."

That's the bigger deal with his age. In other context, he's a couple months younger than Carlos Rogers was on draft day 2005, and that more than anything prevented Rogers from getting a second contract here.[/quote]

hes only 23, rookies range in age from 21-23 most of the time. Kerrigan was older when he was drafted. A few months doesn't mean anything, players blossom and decline at different ages. And age was the last thing that prevented Rogers from getting a second contract here, he couldnt catch a cold and the whole relationship between him and the front office wasnt in sync, age was not a factor. That being said I would love a matured changed attitude Jenkins in the second round waiting for us to pick him.

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I really don't get the BFD on the age issue. Players will come and go all the time and new ones will need to be drafted to replace them. As long as they have talent and can help the team then there should be no issue. This team should always be looking to upgrade at every position no matter what age the players are.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;891794]hes only 23, rookies range in age from 21-23 most of the time. Kerrigan was older when he was drafted. A few months doesn't mean anything, players blossom and decline at different ages. And age was the last thing that prevented Rogers from getting a second contract here, he couldnt catch a cold and the whole relationship between him and the front office wasnt in sync, age was not a factor.[/quote]I think you're underrating the effects of age on both and development and decisions. Kerrigan was right about the average age for a first round draft choice.

One year is generally not a big deal here and there, but if you've got juniors and seniors committed for the draft in the 21-22 range at cornerback projected to go in the first round, it's a meaningful difference to instead opt for a 23.5 year old on draft day.

Jenkins is going to get picked above any talents in the next tier, but I had no choice but to drop him b/c of his birthday when compared to the top talents in the same draft. I think he probably lasts into the second round, when someone will probably take him there for his abilities.

Not knowing the effect of someones age on draft profile isn't the same thing as saying it doesn't matter. It has to matter on some level.

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[quote=SBXVII;891796]I really don't get the BFD on the age issue. Players will come and go all the time and new ones will need to be drafted to replace them. As long as they have talent and can help the team then there should be no issue. This team should always be looking to upgrade at every position no matter what age the players are.[/quote]It's a development thing. 24, 25, 26 year olds should look better against college competition than 19, 20, 21 year olds. If they don't there's probably not much there when projecting to the next level.

If a player is talented enough, he'll get taken regardless of advanced age. The NFL has an insatiable need for really good college players. They'll just be devalued somewhat.

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That second round pick is to be used on Ben Jones, Mike Adams, or Stepen Hill. Someone on offense. This year the focus is offense.

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[quote=GTripp0012;891797]I think you're underrating the effects of age on both and development and decisions. Kerrigan was right about the average age for a first round draft choice.

One year is generally not a big deal here and there, but if you've got juniors and seniors committed for the draft in the 21-22 range at cornerback projected to go in the first round, it's a meaningful difference to instead opt for a 23.5 year old on draft day.

Jenkins is going to get picked above any talents in the next tier, but I had no choice but to drop him b/c of his birthday when compared to the top talents in the same draft. I think he probably lasts into the second round, when someone will probably take him there for his abilities.

Not knowing the effect of someones age on draft profile isn't the same thing as saying it doesn't matter. It has to matter on some level.[/quote]

Kerrigan was older than Jenkins by 2 months when we drafted him....not that that even matters. All players at Qb's, Cb's, LB's etc age and decline at different times, theres no set age where your skill must decline. If a team picks another corner over jenkins it will be for other reasons, not that he is older than someone else.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;891802]Kerrigan was older than Jenkins by 2 months when we drafted him....not that that even matters. All players at Qb's, Cb's, LB's etc age and decline at different times, theres no set age where your skill must decline. If a team picks another corner over jenkins it will be for other reasons, not that he is older than someone else.[/quote]We drafted Kerrigan in 2011 and he played for us this year. Jenkins (two months younger) played at North Alabama. That's kind of a big difference wouldn't you say?

If you are arguing that there is no age difference between Kerrigan and Jenkins in terms of development, are you also arguing that you can't predict one's career any better than the others?

Nothing you are saying I disagree with except your conclusion. You're saying that age doesn't matter because YOU can't predict development/decline based on age. I'm saying NFL teams have to be sharp enough to consider it, even if THEY can't tell you exactly what it means.

I think we can at least suggest that if a couple of months of age matter in development, then we can't rule out that there might be an exponential effect to years instead of months. I have no evidence to prove this in football, but it makes logical sense, which is good enough for now.

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[quote=GTripp0012;891805]We drafted Kerrigan in 2011 and he played for us this year. Jenkins (two months younger) played at North Alabama. That's kind of a big difference wouldn't you say?

If you are arguing that there is no age difference between Kerrigan and Jenkins in terms of development, are you also arguing that you can't predict one's career any better than the others?

Nothing you are saying I disagree with except your conclusion. You're saying that age doesn't matter because YOU can't predict development/decline based on age. I'm saying NFL teams have to be sharp enough to consider it, even if THEY can't tell you exactly what it means.

I think we can at least suggest that if a couple of months of age matter in development, then we can't rule out that there might be an exponential effect to years instead of months. I have no evidence to prove this in football, but it makes logical sense, which is good enough for now.[/quote]

yea your right about kerrigan, i read that wrong. Your right, age is definitely something to think about but not this young imo. I just dont think it is something you can predict when a guys ability will start to fall, everyone is different and things like injury and luck come into play.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;891809]yea your right about kerrigan, i read that wrong. Your right, age is definitely something to think about but not this young imo. [B]I just dont think it is something you can predict when a guys ability starts to fall.[/B][/quote]You are right, it's definitely tougher to predict player decline than player development. I do not doubt that NFL teams have advanced systems that help frame their own film evaluations in context that lead to conclusions such as "if Donovan McNabb has anything left, he's not going to be able to show it in our QB-dependant system."

As some guy with the internet who doesn't have anything but stats, game tape, and scout opinion to lean on, I still go way more off gut feel with regards to "is player X done as an NFL starter?" than I would like. For example: is Chris Cooley done as a starting TE in the NFL? Probably. But how much money would I actually put on that opinion? Not much. He's only going to be 30 this year. It's just that he was last an elite TE at age 26.

But, by far, the most reliable figures when predicting decline are a guys age and how long he's been in the league. After that (and to back your point), it's a lot about looking for trends where they may not exist -- hunting statistical ghosts, as it were, and seeing if any vital skills are diminishing.

Hines Ward doesn't catch more than half of his balls more than five yards downfield anymore, so he's probably done as a starting NFL receiver. Sometimes I get it right: I thought Torry Holt was toast after the 2008 season, and he was. Other times, I say that Brett Favre is done after that same season, and get it completely wrong.

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i'm more of a gutman as well. i was surprised at how long fred taylor lasted, especially considering his injury history

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VJax will get a big deal somewhere.

Marshawn Lynch signs his deal believe 18M guaranteed