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[quote=mbedner3420;897142]Probably cause our current GM just cost us $36 mil.[/quote]

No, 28 bitter/jealous/crybaby NFL owners and their puppet commissioner just cost us $36 mil.

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signing second tier receivers (Royal, Morgan, Jacoby Jones, etc) doesnt do a whole lot to improve this team. Need a threat, play making WR for impact. we already have compliments at WR, we need a guy that a defensive cordinator has to game plan for.

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[quote=mbedner3420;897142]Probably cause our current GM just cost us $36 mil.[/quote]

I saw a report that without the restructures we'd be 39mil over the cap. Even being penalized for doing nothing wrong legally, we are in better shape.

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[quote=Player_HTTR;897151]I saw a report that without the restructures we'd be 39mil over the cap. Even being penalized for doing nothing wrong legally, we are in better shape.[/quote]

Hot damn. I take back what I said.

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[quote=donofriose;897147]I agree thats why I said we have new management, but [B]Snyder is still there[/B]. And a deal to get Jackson or someone like that would be something Vinny would do. They did make a deal to bring an aging McNabb to come play quarterback so its not like they are a perfect team as of now. But we seem to be using to the draft instead of free agency which is why I said I think we have a bright future with this management.[/quote]

Snyder hasn't done squat since MS and BA have been here. I will give you the McNabb situation, and if you look back at my comments I have been one of the biggest critics of the McNabb fiasco. But comparing what our FO has done (minus McNabb) to everything the Vinny Cerrato-led Redskins did is just ignorant IMO. I will admit that this FO needs to start producing wins to validate what appears to be good moves, but they are not the same moves from before. Shoot, Vinny Cerrato would have given up two #1s and a 2nd rounder to move up and take Justin Blackmon or Trent Richardson.

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We don't need to get a big name receiver this year, I don't know if people realize but we aren't going to the superbowl next year or the year after. So many good receivers come later in the draft its ridiculous. Even Vincent was a second round pick. Every packers receiver which seems they could be number ones are second or even seventh round picks. Was Cruz or Welker drafted? Synder has the same attitude of impatience, being patient will win you a lot of games in the future.

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[quote=mbedner3420;897153]Hot damn. I take back what I said.[/quote]

The number did seem high to me and it may be fuzzy mathed, but I am fairly positive even with the penalty we are better off. I have a hard time faulting BA in this as he was/is cleaning up VCs mess.

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[quote=Ruhskins;897156]Snyder hasn't done squat since MS and BA have been here. I will give you the McNabb situation, and if you look back at my comments I have been one of the biggest critics of the McNabb fiasco. But comparing what our FO has done (minus McNabb) to everything the Vinny Cerrato-led Redskins did is just ignorant IMO. I will admit that this FO needs to start producing wins to validate what appears to be good moves, but they are not the same moves from before. Shoot, Vinny Cerrato would have given up two #1s and a 2nd rounder to move up and take Justin Blackmon or Trent Richardson.[/quote]

Snyder is still finding ways to screw us even with the cap penalties. I believe that this management has a clearer direction than the one before but I am saying thinking that a big name free agent will solve a problem is exactly what Vinny used to think. We need to be smart with who we sign and for how much. I still think there are good free agents, like Winston for example, but going out in free agency and acting like that is the best way to solve your problems won't win you many games. It looks flashy but in the NFL you win with depth. Thats why the Giants won this past year.

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[quote=Chico23231;897149]signing second tier receivers (Royal, Morgan, Jacoby Jones, etc) doesnt do a whole lot to improve this team. Need a threat, play making WR for impact. we already have compliments at WR, we need a guy that a defensive cordinator has to game plan for.[/quote]

There are like 5 in the NFL. Most of the others are made better by their QB and/or scheme.

As good as he is VJax at top level is maybe barely, if at all, "a guy that a defensive cordinator has to game plan for"

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[quote=donofriose;897163][B]Snyder is still finding ways to screw us even with the cap penalties.[/B] I believe that this management has a clearer direction than the one before but I am saying thinking that a big name free agent will solve a problem is exactly what Vinny used to think. We need to be smart with who we sign and for how much. I still think there are good free agents, like Winston for example, but going out in free agency and acting like that is the best way to solve your problems won't win you many games. It looks flashy but in the NFL you win with depth. Thats why the Giants won this past year.[/quote]

Really? Even though it was Bruce Allen that put together those restructured contracts in order to fix the mess from before? I am not trying to put the blame on Allen, I just want to make the point that Snyder does not meddle with team affairs the way fans do (or as he did before).

Successful teams win with a combination of draft and free agency. One of the best players in the New England Patriots was a free agent acquisition (Welker) and they had a great run with another (Moss). A season or two ago, the Giants signed Rolle from free agency, who at the time was consider a flashy free agent. I definitely understand the concerns that fans have about VJax, especially his price, but let's not forget the ton of youth this team has drafted in the past two offseason, and/or the franchise QB we are going to be selecting in April (similar to what the Giants did with Eli).

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[quote=Player_HTTR;897151]I saw a report that without the restructures we'd be 39mil over the cap. Even being penalized for doing nothing wrong legally, we are in better shape.[/quote]

Link Please?

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[quote=Ruhskins;897166]Really? Even though it was Bruce Allen that put together those restructured contracts in order to fix the mess from before? I am not trying to put the blame on Allen, I just want to make the point that Snyder does not meddle with team affairs the way fans do (or as he did before).

Successful teams win with a combination of draft and free agency. One of the best players in the New England Patriots was a free agent (Welker) and they had a great run with another (Moss). A season or two ago, the Giants signed Rolle from free agency, who at the time was consider a flashy free agent. I definitely understand the concerns that fans have about VJax, especially his price, but let's not forget the ton of youth this team has drafted in the past two offseason, and/or the franchise QB we are going to be selecting in April (similar to what the Giants did with Eli).[/quote]

The difference between us and the Patriots is that they already have leadership and a system in place. Welker wasn't a flashy free agent in fact im pretty sure he was traded to the Patriots for a second round pick. You can get veterans players to put you over the hump, like Randy Moss did for the Patriots, but they got Randy Moss for a fourth round pick which isn't much. And Rolle wasn't the reason the Giants won the superbowl, he is a good player but their entire DLINE and Eli which they drafted is the reason they are successful. I just like the thought of continuing drafting players to help us build our team, it helps with chemistry and it will be better in the long haul. Successful teams rarely go for the big name, again the reasons those teams are successful are because of the draft. but they do use free agency but not to the extent that it seems a lot of people want.

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[quote=WillH;897168]Link Please?[/quote]

It was in the whirlwind of twitter links I went through on my phone last night, I am not digging it out or know if I could find it again. I went on a couple posts later questioning the complete validity of what I saw myself. Long story short, BA > VC (or most anyone eslse) and we are better of for it including whatever nonsense the owners want to throw the Skins way.

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[quote=donofriose;897174]The difference between us and the Patriots is that they already have leadership and a system in place. Welker wasn't a flashy free agent in fact im pretty sure he was traded to the Patriots for a second round pick. You can get veterans players to put you over the hump, like Randy Moss did for the Patriots, but they got Randy Moss for a fourth round pick which isn't much. [B]And Rolle wasn't the reason the Giants won the superbowl[/B], he is a good player but their entire DLINE and Eli which they drafted is the reason they are successful. [B]I just like the thought of continuing drafting players to help us build our team, it helps with chemistry and it will be better in the long haul.[/B] Successful teams rarely go for the big name, again the reasons those teams are successful are because of the draft. but they do use free agency but not to the extent that it seems a lot of people want.[/quote]

But they still went the FA route.

Also, the Redskins drafted 12 rookies last year and will likely draft 7 this year. You have our GM stating that he wants players to be born in the Burgundy & Gold. I still don't get your idea that all we are doing is going after big time Free Agents. Once again, I get some of your points, but you make it sound like we just blew a whole bunch of picks on a FA and are going to build the team JUST through free agency with Vinny Cerrato at the helm.

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[quote=FRPLG;897165]There are like 5 in the NFL. Most of the others are made better by their QB and/or scheme.

As good as he is VJax at top level is maybe barely, if at all, "a guy that a defensive cordinator has to game plan for"[/quote]

Stretches the field, big body and catches everything. VJax yards per reception is something we need in a Skins jersey, those second tier guys cant bring that. Rather draft best available WR in the 3rd, than spend money on second tier wr, we got those already.

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[quote=Ruhskins;897187]But they still went the FA route.

Also, the Redskins drafted 12 rookies last year and will likely draft 7 this year. You have our GM stating that he wants players to be born in the Burgundy & Gold. I still don't get your idea that all we are doing is going after big time Free Agents. Once again, I get some of your points, but you make it sound like we just blew a whole bunch of picks on a FA and are going to build the team JUST through free agency with Vinny Cerrato at the helm.[/quote]

No I think you misunderstood my point, my point was about Vincent Jackson and I was saying signing someone like that will backfire on you more than 50 percent of the time. Someone had asked "why the hate on vincent" and I was answering their question from my point of view on him. I said that the new management is starting to build through the draft multiple times which is why I said it looks like we have a bright future. I think using free agency can help you but its my opinion that you build through the draft and use free agency to fill a couple of pieces here and there if that makes sense. Like Winston, i think he would be a good tackle for us. I just don't like Vincent because of what he appears to be to me. Thats why I answered that guys question about him.

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Glazer just tweeted Saints sign Colston to 5yr deal

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[url=http://dc.sbnation.com/washington-redskins/2012/3/13/2867789/nfl-free-agency-2012-eric-winston-redskins]NFL Free Agency 2012: Redskins Expected To Purse RT Eric Winston, According To Report - SB Nation DC[/url]

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[quote=CultBrennan59;897203][url=http://dc.sbnation.com/washington-redskins/2012/3/13/2867789/nfl-free-agency-2012-eric-winston-redskins]NFL Free Agency 2012: Redskins Expected To Purse RT Eric Winston, According To Report - SB Nation DC[/url][/quote]

Good stuff!

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[quote=Player_HTTR;897194]Glazer just tweeted Saints sign Colston to 5yr deal[/quote]

Guess they're skipping Nicks then.

I heard the Saints and Raiders also had small violations in this cap crap, but their only punishment is that they won't receive their $1.6m cut like the rest of the league.


[quote=CultBrennan59;897203][URL="http://dc.sbnation.com/washington-redskins/2012/3/13/2867789/nfl-free-agency-2012-eric-winston-redskins"]NFL Free Agency 2012: Redskins Expected To Purse RT Eric Winston, According To Report - SB Nation DC[/URL][/quote]


Hor-freaking-ray!

This is the #1 addition I want. Is Jammal Brown still under contract/on the roster? I'd be a fine backup...but he's not living up to the starter role he was supposed to solidify.

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[quote=Ruhskins;897148]No, 28 bitter/jealous/crybaby NFL owners and their puppet commissioner just cost us $36 mil.[/quote]

Sometimes it's easier to pile on than back your team up even when they did nothing wrong.

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i want to resign fletcher, and sign:

winston, finnegan, and royal.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;897212]i want to resign fletcher, and sign:

winston, finnegan, and royal.[/quote]

Please god not that nut job finnegan

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[quote=donofriose;897193]No I think you misunderstood my point, my point was about Vincent Jackson and I was saying signing someone like that will backfire on you more than 50 percent of the time. Someone had asked "why the hate on vincent" and I was answering their question from my point of view on him. I said that the new management is starting to build through the draft multiple times which is why I said it looks like we have a bright future. I think using free agency can help you but its my opinion that you build through the draft and use free agency to fill a couple of pieces here and there if that makes sense. Like Winston, i think he would be a good tackle for us. I just don't like Vincent because of what he appears to be to me. Thats why I answered that guys question about him.[/quote]

Gotcha. I understand your concerns about VJax, but at the same time the team has to surround RG3 with weapons. RG3 is a vast improvement over our QBs last year, but he is not going to automatically going to make avg receivers better. Look at Cam last year, he has the skills, but Steve Smith helped A LOT. So far, Bruce Allen has shown us that he won't go overboard with contracts, and I hope this stays true with VJax...though I am afraid that with Colston going back to the Saints, the price for VJax just got even higher.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;897212]i want to resign fletcher, and sign:

winston, finnegan, and royal.[/quote]

agreed

add Morgan and/or Meachem and I'd be really happy.

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[quote=Ruhskins;897217]Gotcha. I understand your concerns about VJax, but at the same time the team has to surround RG3 with weapons. RG3 is a vast improvement over our QBs last year, but he is not going to automatically going to make avg receivers better. Look at Cam last year, he has the skills, but Steve Smith helped A LOT. So far, Bruce Allen has shown us that he won't go overboard with contracts, and I hope this stays true with VJax...though I am afraid that with Colston going back to the Saints, the price for VJax just got even higher.[/quote]

VJax is 29. Why would we want to spend big to sign a 29 year old receiver to one of the biggest contracts in history for a receiver and pair him with a rookie quarterback? by the time Griffen is up to speed, VJax will likely be on the decline.... and thats IF he stays clean and doesnt get a year-long suspension.

In three years, i'd be all about spending big on a marquee receiver. right now, i just dont see the point in it (especially in light of our reduced cap space).

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[quote=SmootSmack;897029]If you had to make a choice, $8 million a year for a 36 year old MLB who's been a rock for this team on an off the field for the past several years but probably wouldn't see the end of his contract or $11 million a year for a 29 year old WR who's arguably the best on the market but is one suspension away from being out for a year...which would you choose?[/quote]

Fletcher, with no hesitation. Character is essential to building a strong team; it's infectious and leaves in its wake a winning attitude. Talent without character is counterproductive to winning in the NFL.

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[quote=mbedner3420;897214]Please god not that nut job finnegan[/quote]

You see, what people don't understand about Finnegan is the dumb penalties he takes for roughing, playing after the whistle, and generally doing other dumb things are far different than the penalties we chastise D.Hall for, like penalties for roughing, playing after the whistle, and generally doing other dumb things.

That's just the way Finnegan is and the mentality he brings. Totally different than the hotheads we've had past and present that continually hurt our team in key situations.

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[quote=Ruhskins;897217]Gotcha. I understand your concerns about VJax, but at the same time the team has to surround RG3 with weapons. RG3 is a vast improvement over our QBs last year, but he is not going to automatically going to make avg receivers better. Look at Cam last year, he has the skills, but Steve Smith helped A LOT. So far, Bruce Allen has shown us that he won't go overboard with contracts, and I hope this stays true with VJax...though I am afraid that with Colston going back to the Saints, the price for VJax just got even higher.[/quote]

I just don't trust Vincent with money. Especially with his track record. I would rather sign Winston and improve our Oline cause in the end football comes down to Olines vs Dlines, I also feel that receiver is one of those postions where you can find hidden gems in later rounds in the draft. Broyles for example if he recovers which reports say he is could be a great slot receiver. Adams from Arkansas had an impressive senior bowl and at one point was in heisman talk and he might drop cause of a bad 40 time. I just see receivers around the league and where they were drafted and think that they are similar to running backs in terms of value, Unless either of the Johnsons or Fitzgeralds are free agents, I don't see the need to pay a lot of money to a receiver.

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[quote=donofriose;897193]No I think you misunderstood my point, my point was about Vincent Jackson and I was saying signing someone like that will backfire on you more than 50 percent of the time. Someone had asked "why the hate on vincent" and I was answering their question from my point of view on him. I said that the new management is starting to build through the draft multiple times which is why I said it looks like we have a bright future. I think using free agency can help you but its my opinion that you build through the draft and use free agency to fill a couple of pieces here and there if that makes sense. Like Winston, i think he would be a good tackle for us. I just don't like Vincent because of what he appears to be to me. Thats why I answered that guys question about him.[/quote]

Of course, building through the draft is a luxury the Skins have very little of right now. So it's essential that they use free agency. The picks that they lost (basically two first rounders and a second) would typically equal at least one stud, possibly two. So it's on us the front office to aggresively pursue some studs in free agency. That is going to cost the team, and it will be a risk, but it's really the only option at this point. It won't be enough to just surround Griffin with 21 role players.

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[quote=Coff;897226]Of course, building through the draft is a luxury we have very little right now. So it's essential that we use free agency. The picks that we lost (basically 2 first rounders and a second) would typically equal at least one stud, possibly two. So it's on us now to aggresively pursue some studs in free agency. That is going to cost us, and it will be a risk, but it's really our only option at this point. It won't be enough to just surround Griffin with 21 role players.[/quote]

Forgot last year's draft already?

5 picks left by Vinny --> 12 SOLID picks by Shanallenhan.

I expect a repeat performance.

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[quote=Monkeydad;897227]Forgot last year's draft already?

5 picks left by Vinny --> 12 SOLID picks by Shanallenhan.

I expect a repeat performance.[/quote]

I didn't forget last year's draft, nor did I fogret last week's trade. I guess the point I was making was that we'll be able to make some solid moves in the draft, but we're limited as to our ability to draft a pro-bowl caliber player (aside from Griffin, of course!).

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[quote=Coff;897226]Of course, building through the draft is a luxury the Skins have very little of right now. So it's essential that they use free agency. [B]The picks that they lost (basically two first rounders and a second[/B]) would typically equal at least one stud, possibly two. So it's on us the front office to aggresively pursue some studs in free agency. That is going to cost the team, and it will be a risk, but it's really the only option at this point. It won't be enough to just surround Griffin with 21 role players.[/quote]
How so? At least for 2012....we are using our first to draft our Franchise QB, and it will cost us only an additional 2.

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[quote=Coff;897226]Of course, building through the draft is a luxury the Skins have very little of right now. So it's essential that they use free agency. The picks that they lost (basically two first rounders and a second) would typically equal at least one stud, possibly two. So it's on us the front office to aggresively pursue some studs in free agency. That is going to cost the team, and it will be a risk, but it's really the only option at this point. It won't be enough to just surround Griffin with 21 role players.[/quote]

We don't need a lot of first round picks. If we sign Winston we took care of the two tackles, what we need are corners, guards and depth for the online, receiver and safeties and their aren't many of those in free agency, however their are a lot of good guards coming out this year in the draft like the kid Silatolu from Midwestern State who just mauls people and seems like that kind of olinemen that went to a small school but has heart and a mean streak. There are a lot of good corners or players that played corner like Johnson from Montana and could possibly move to safety. Ryan Broyles is a great slot receiver and their is that kid who went to a small school his name i completely forget (I just found out it was Brian Quick), Cooley hopefully will start to work hard again cause he has a qb which will give us Cooley and Davis(this is hopeful) we don't need a first round pick in order to add depth and make our team better. If you want to be the Eagles and probably never win a superbowl with their current roster then build through free agency. But we can draft players and sign a few key guys and we will be ok. I believe in Griffin

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He haw....5 pages and we havent even signed anyone yet.
Is it 4:30 yet?

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I saw in the article posting on ESPN about the cap hit, that we have signed Colston?

I take that to mean we have a deal inplace waiting for the appointed time to put ink to paper.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;897249]I saw in the article posting on ESPN about the cap hit, that we have signed Colston?

I take that to mean we have a deal inplace waiting for the appointed time to put ink to paper.[/quote]

No, the Saints have signed Colston.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7681315/new-orleans-saints-keep-wr-marques-colston-5-year-deal-source-says]New Orleans Saints keep WR Marques Colston with 5-year deal - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;897249]I saw in the article posting on ESPN about the cap hit, that we have signed Colston?

I take that to mean we have a deal inplace waiting for the appointed time to put ink to paper.[/quote]

Nope. Saints resigned Colston.

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[quote=Lotus;897254]Nope. Saints resigned Colston.[/quote]

Quit copying me! :silly:

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sweet thanks guys. never trusted the poster in the first place