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Yeah, Disinformation seems to be more about [I]Mis[/I]information (zing!).


To call this a bill by Republicans requiring high schoolers to believe in God is crazy talk. Its a bill by 2 Republicans requiring students to swear or, very likely, affirm their support of the constitution, nothing more. Its currently written as an oath. I pretty sure there would be an affirmation option in place for people who object to oaths.

Now if you have a problem with current citizens swearing [I]or[/I] affirming their support of the constitution, then thats different. But this has nothing to do with God, silly liberals. And if it was about God im sure it would piss him off, as i dont think you are supposed to swear on or to God, hence the use and role of affirmations.

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Maybe math isn't yours area of expertise, but I count 8 people as sponsors, including a Senator.

Representatives Thorpe, Borrelli, Seel, Shope, Smith: Dial, Livingston, Senator Crandell.

Here's the [URL="http://www.azleg.gov//FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/51leg/1r/bills/hb2467p.htm&Session_ID=110"]Bill[/URL].

I didn't use the word 'god' when I swore my oath of allegiance, but then this [I][B][U]is[/U][/B][/I] California.

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[quote=firstdown;991431]Funny I made the post prior to this one and then saw this post of mine. Seems we have an on going thing of the left trying to make these things out as something they are not.[/quote]

I am against both parties. Neither represent me.

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[quote=mlmpetert;991446]Yeah, Disinformation seems to be more about [I]Mis[/I]information (zing!).


To call this a bill [B][U]by Republicans [/U][/B]requiring high schoolers to believe in God is crazy talk. Its a bill by 2 Republicans requiring students to swear or, very likely, affirm their support of the constitution, nothing more. Its currently written as an oath. I pretty sure there would be an affirmation option in place for people who object to oaths.

Now if you have a problem with current citizens swearing [I]or[/I] affirming their support of the constitution, then thats different. But this has nothing to do with God, silly liberals. And if it was about God im sure it would piss him off, as i dont think you are supposed to swear on or to God, hence the use and role of affirmations.[/quote]


Key words are highlighted and underlined. This thread is about Republicans being dumbasses when it comes to their religion. This isn't say ALL or EVERYBODY, but these people ARE representing the party.

edit: No, I don't call them dumbasses because they are religious. I call them dumbasses because they want us all to pattern our lives and follow their guidelines based on their religion.

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...and here we have more GOP dumbasses trying to make abortion illegal (in some instances).

[url=http://www.salon.com/2013/01/28/new_mexico_lawmaker_resurrects_bill_making_abortion_after_rape_a_felony/]New Mexico lawmaker resurrects bill making abortion after rape a felony - Salon.com[/url]


Submit a bill claiming a fetus is "evidence" in a rape crime. Hence it would make it illegal to "destroy evidence" by getting an abortion.


[quote]The bill reads: "Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime."[/quote]

It's ok guys, she "missed" this.


[url=http://www.currentargus.com/ci_22441980/carlsbads-cathrynn-brown-under-fire-bill-abortion-by?source=most_viewed]Carlsbad's Cathrynn Brown under fire for bill on abortion by rape victims - Carlsbad Current-Argus[/url]

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[quote=RedskinRat;991453]Maybe math isn't yours area of expertise, but I count 8 people as sponsors, including a Senator.

Representatives Thorpe, Borrelli, Seel, Shope, Smith: Dial, Livingston, Senator Crandell.

Here's the [URL="http://www.azleg.gov//FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/51leg/1r/bills/hb2467p.htm&Session_ID=110"]Bill[/URL].

I didn't use the word 'god' when I swore my oath of allegiance, but then this [I][B][U]is[/U][/B][/I] California.[/quote]

I was going off of what Fd said. Maybe it was only 2 people initially?

I have no idea why you took an oath or what you said, so im guessing here..... but when swearing i believe its implicit that you are swearing to God or at least to a sacred idol, even if God or that idol isnt mentioned. But if you or a bunch of hs kids are uncomfortable with swearing to God or a god, you are all in good company because God forbids it, as is written in the Book of Mathew.

[url=http://m.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-swear-and-affirm-in-an-oath.htm]What is the Difference between "Swear" and "Affirm" in an Oath? - mobile wiseGEEK[/url]

With that said, it appears all athiests and none pagans are being attacked by Arizona Republicans.

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[quote=NC_Skins;991455]Key words are highlighted and underlined. This thread is about Republicans being dumbasses when it comes to their religion. This isn't say ALL or EVERYBODY, but these people ARE representing the party.

edit: No, I don't call them dumbasses because they are religious. I call them dumbasses because they want us all to pattern our lives and follow their guidelines based on their religion.[/quote]

I was writing specifically to the article. I should have said "arizona Republicans ".

To quote Bobby Jindal, Republicans have to stop being the stupid party. Like he said Republicans have said some really offensive things recently. Im glad they are being called out, they need to be. And Im glad Jindal is saying it, he needs to be.

I think most Americans are more inline with conservative principals, they just dont know it. These stupid social and religious comments and actions so many on the Republican isle make take away from the real issues. We live in the day and age of sensational headlines on meaningless topics made for the low information voter whos in charge of deciding elections. But at the end of the day its their own fault for not changing their rhetoric.

[QUOTE=mlmpetert;991468]To quote Bobby Jindal, Republicans have to stop being the stupid party. Like he said Republicans have said some really offensive things recently. Im glad they are being called out, they need to be. And Im glad Jindal is saying it, he needs to be.

I think most Americans are more inline with conservative principals, they just dont know it.[/QUOTE]

A few stupid statements shouldn't be any more representative of the Repooplicans than they are for Libtards.

Most Americans are selfish and only have conservative values where other people's choices are involved.

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are we talking about this same dumbass?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly7oPRMcDrU&feature=player_detailpage]"You're Wrong, Barack !" : Gov Bobby Jindal | Republicans Respond To Obama | FEB 2009 - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=RedskinRat;991453]Maybe math isn't yours area of expertise, but I count 8 people as sponsors, including a Senator.

Representatives Thorpe, Borrelli, Seel, Shope, Smith: Dial, Livingston, Senator Crandell.

Here's the [URL="http://www.azleg.gov//FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/51leg/1r/bills/hb2467p.htm&Session_ID=110"]Bill[/URL].

I didn't use the word 'god' when I swore my oath of allegiance, but then this [I][B][U]is[/U][/B][/I] California.[/quote]

What I looked at only shoudl two at the time.

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Cool:

[IMG]http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/god-ad.jpg[/IMG]


Not cool:

[IMG]http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/muhammad.jpg[/IMG]

[url=http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/30/conservatives-anti-muhammad-ad-rejected-by-detroit-transit-system-but-can-you-guess-which-ad-was-accepted/]Conservative’s Anti-Muhammad Ad Rejected by Detroit Transit System — But Can You Guess Which Ad Was Accepted? | TheBlaze.com[/url]

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[quote=mlmpetert;991821]Cool:

[IMG]http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/god-ad.jpg[/IMG]


Not cool:

[IMG]http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/muhammad.jpg[/IMG]

[URL="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/30/conservatives-anti-muhammad-ad-rejected-by-detroit-transit-system-but-can-you-guess-which-ad-was-accepted/"]Conservative’s Anti-Muhammad Ad Rejected by Detroit Transit System — But Can You Guess Which Ad Was Accepted? | TheBlaze.com[/URL][/quote]

We don't want anyone getting killed, do we?

There's not much turning the other cheek in islam.

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While I don't agree with either of those ads being rejected. Mohammad is clearly aimed at Islam whereas God is more broad that covers most religions.

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Being this is the a goverment transit system neither of those advertisements should be allowed under the seperation of church and state.

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[quote=Daseal;991830]While I don't agree with either of those ads being rejected. Mohammad is clearly aimed at Islam whereas God is more broad that covers most religions.[/quote]


Really good point. The ad should have said "Dont Believe In Allah?" in order to properly contrast it. While perhaps lesslikely, it wouldnt surprise me if they would have refused "Dont Believe In Jesus".

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[quote=RedskinRat;991828]We don't want anyone getting killed, do we?

There's not much turning the other cheek in islam.[/quote]


Maybe Chrsitians should throw a sucker punch?

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[quote=mlmpetert;991889]Maybe Chrsitians should throw a sucker punch?[/quote]
[URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9640825/Christians-persecuted-throughout-the-world.html"]
They should at least push back.....[/URL]

WWJD? Maybe if they were moneylenders?

I particularly enjoyed the naivete of the following statements:

[I]The challenge, then, at once simple and substantial, is to promote the peaceful messages at the heart of the world’s major faiths, while neutralising perversions of the core teachings.[/I]

And:

[I]Given Christianity’s evolution, there are grounds for thinking that Islam may change, too.

:laughing2
[/I]

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More than just a couple representing the GOP that are nutjobs.

[url=http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-31/fetus-would-be-rape-evidence-as-republicans-push-abortion-bills.html]Fetus Would Be Rape Evidence as Republicans Push Abortion Bills - Bloomberg[/url]



My suggestion is to the GOPers would do not want to be associated with people like this, than stop voting for people like this. Either that or simply disassociate them with the GOP party and disown them. Until you do, the GOP won't be winning shit in the near future. (unless of course they cheat their way in)

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/09/us/pat-robertson-facebook-remark/index.html?hpt=hp_t5]Ten controversial Pat Robertson quotes - CNN.com[/url]

amazingly ridiculous quotes here

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[quote=mlmpetert;991821]Cool:

[IMG]http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/god-ad.jpg[/IMG]


Not cool:

[IMG]http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/muhammad.jpg[/IMG]

[url=http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/30/conservatives-anti-muhammad-ad-rejected-by-detroit-transit-system-but-can-you-guess-which-ad-was-accepted/]Conservative’s Anti-Muhammad Ad Rejected by Detroit Transit System — But Can You Guess Which Ad Was Accepted? | TheBlaze.com[/url][/quote]

Of course the problem with one of those is that Muslims are not supposed to "believe in" Muhammad. Muhammad explicitly said that he was a savior and should not be worshiped. Whoever made that image is misinformed about Islam.

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[quote=Lotus;1014897]Of course the problem with one of those is that Muslims are not supposed to "believe in" Muhammad. Muhammad explicitly said that he was a savior and should not be worshiped. Whoever made that image is misinformed about Islam.[/quote]

Just curious, what if it had said Muhammad's teachings. I know it's a hypothetical question, but would that have been seen as less offensive? I am with FD on this one, and don't think either really is appropriate for a public transit system.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1014903]Just curious, what if it had said Muhammad's teachings. I know it's a hypothetical question, but would that have been seen as less offensive? I am with FD on this one, and don't think either really is appropriate for a public transit system.[/quote]

According to Islam, Muhammad did not really teach. He was merely God's mouthpiece. God spoke through him. The Qur'an contains the words of God, not the words of Muhammad (except in two small spots where Muhammad does speak). Therefore Islamic teachings are God's teachings, not Muhammad's, according to mainstream Islam.

If there is any confusion on this issue, I recommend John Esposito's book <Islam: The Straight Path>, or Karen Armstrong's biography of Muhammad.

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[quote=Lotus;1014929]According to Islam, Muhammad did not really teach. He was merely God's mouthpiece. God spoke through him. [/quote]

And remarkably convenient depending on Mohammad's circumstance.

[quote=Lotus;1014929]The Qur'an contains the words of God, not the words of Muhammad (except in two small spots where Muhammad does speak). Therefore Islamic teachings are God's teachings, not Muhammad's, according to mainstream Islam.

If there is any confusion on this issue, I recommend John Esposito's book <Islam: The Straight Path>, or Karen Armstrong's biography of Muhammad.[/quote]

I'd recommend Pickthall's translation of the quran followed by The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam for balance. Make sure you understand the difference between Medina and Mecca suras and amuse yourself with ahadith.

Karen Armstrong is a moslem stooge who should be ignored.

I don't try to mask my revulsion of this cult, proponents should be more honest about their fascination.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1014940]And remarkably convenient depending on Mohammad's circumstance.



I'd recommend Pickthall's translation of the quran followed by The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam for balance. Make sure you understand the difference between Medina and Mecca suras and amuse yourself with ahadith.

Karen Armstrong is a moslem stooge who should be ignored.

I don't try to mask my revulsion of this cult, proponents should be more honest about their fascination.[/quote]

Karen Armstrong is not a Muslim, much less a "stooge." She has written a number of award-winning books on a number of religious personalities, not just Muhammad.

The books I recommended are highly regarded works from erudite authors.

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[quote=Lotus;1014929]According to Islam, Muhammad did not really teach. [B]He was merely God's mouthpiece[/B]. God spoke through him. The Qur'an contains the words of God, not the words of Muhammad (except in two small spots where Muhammad does speak). Therefore Islamic teachings are God's teachings, not Muhammad's, according to mainstream Islam.

If there is any confusion on this issue, I recommend John Esposito's book <Islam: The Straight Path>, or Karen Armstrong's biography of Muhammad.[/quote]

I dated a girl who also must have been gods mouthpiece.

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the "freedom of religion vs freedom from religion" argument seems to being heating up amongst the devout christians and meddling non-christians . .

should a christian prayer be allowed at a public high school graduation?

should a pastor be able to hold a sermon on a public beach without a permit which is required when more than 50 people want to assemble?

idk and frankly i feel lucky to say i really dont care. although i do find religous zealots' wanting their beliefs to be law funny.

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[quote=Lotus;1014955]Karen Armstrong is not a Muslim, much less a "stooge." She has written a number of award-winning books on a number of religious personalities, not just Muhammad.

The books I recommended are highly regarded works from erudite authors.[/quote]

I apologize, I meant '[I]stooge for moslems/islam[/I]', and thought that to be apparent.

I trust people will do their research before picking up any of the books recommended.

Karen Armstrong, in the words of one of my heroes:

[I][URL="http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/12/18/the_god_fraud?wp_login_redirect=0"]In any case[/URL], I am hopeful that Armstrong's winsome depiction of Islam will shame and enlighten them, as it has me. They will discover that Hassan al-Banna and Tariq Ramadan are paragons of meliorism and wisdom, while we are ignorant bigots who know nothing of theology (of course), politics (Christopher, are you listening?), human nature (what's to know?), or the proper limits of science (um ... narrower?).[/I]
[I]I can't quite remember how we got it into our heads that jihad was linked to violence. (Might it have had something to do with the actual history and teachings of Islam?) And how could we have been so foolish as to connect the apparently inexhaustible supply of martyrs in the Muslim world to the Islamic doctrine of martyrdom? In my own defense, let me say that I do get spooked whenever Western Muslims advocate the murder of apostates (as 36 percent of Muslim young adults do in Britain). But I now know that these freedom-loving people just "want to see God reflected more clearly in public life."[/I]
[I]I will call my friend Ayaan Hirsi Ali at once and encourage her to come out of hiding: Come on out, dear. Karen says the coast is clear. As it turns out, those people who have been calling for your murder don't understand Islam any better than we do. [B]Sam Harris
[/B][/I]

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[quote=over the mountain;1014957]idk and frankly i feel lucky to say i really dont care.[/quote]

We're particularly fortunate that we are still able to not care. For how long, though?

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[quote=RedskinRat;1014959][I]And how could we have been so foolish as to connect the apparently [B]inexhaustible supply of martyrs[/B] in the Muslim world to the Islamic doctrine of martyrdom? In my own defense, let me say that I do get spooked whenever Western Muslims advocate the murder of apostates (as 36 percent of Muslim young adults do in Britain). But I now know that these freedom-loving people just "want to see God reflected more clearly in public life."[/I]
[I]I will call my friend Ayaan Hirsi Ali at once and encourage her to come out of hiding: Come on out, dear. Karen says the coast is clear. As it turns out, those people who have been calling for your murder don't understand Islam any better than we do. [B]Sam Harris[/B][/I]
[/quote]Not just martyrs, more from the moderate Iranian version of the "religion of peace".

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/10/24/iran-gives-christians-80-lashes-for-communion-wine-as-un-blasts-human-rights/?intcmp=latestnews"]Iran gives Christians 80 lashes for communion wine as UN blasts human rights record | Fox News[/URL]

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[quote=over the mountain;1014957]the "freedom of religion vs freedom from religion" argument seems to being heating up amongst the devout christians and meddling non-christians . .

should a christian prayer be allowed at a public high school graduation?

should a pastor be able to hold a sermon on a public beach without a permit which is required when more than 50 people want to assemble?

idk and frankly i feel lucky to say i really dont care. although i do find religous zealots' wanting their beliefs to be law funny.[/quote]


It all heats up around Christmas with the argument on whether Nativity scenes should be allowed in public places .

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[url=http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/12/sarah-palin-taken-aback-by-pope-franciss-liberal-statements/?hpt=hp_t2]Sarah Palin 'taken aback' by Pope Francis's 'liberal' statements – The Lead with Jake Tapper - CNN.com Blogs[/url]

Of course, she would be the one person who would call out the pope

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1040607][url=http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/12/sarah-palin-taken-aback-by-pope-franciss-liberal-statements/?hpt=hp_t2]Sarah Palin 'taken aback' by Pope Francis's 'liberal' statements &ndash; The Lead with Jake Tapper - CNN.com Blogs[/url]

Of course, she would be the one person who would call out the pope[/QUOTE]

Pretty much a clear sign he's on the right track.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1040621]Pretty much a clear sign he's on the right track.[/quote]

I'm not catholic but has always paid close attention to the papacy. So far pope Francis has been a breath of fresh air and really the message of inclusion in the church has been encouraging. So naturally Palin objects. I think Francis is gonna bring peeps back to church.

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[quote=Chico23231;1040632]I'm not catholic but has always paid close attention to the papacy. So far pope Francis has been a breath of fresh air and really the message of inclusion in the church has been encouraging. So naturally Palin objects. I think Francis is gonna bring peeps back to church.[/quote]




I hope so ....

[URL="http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=dsjWkEV_vUdZYM&tbnid=tsPa3jPH6BS2zM:&ved=0CAgQjRwwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcallinamarie.buzznet.com%2Fuser%2Fpolls%2F217283%2Ffavorite-easter-candy%2F&ei=SSSDUtu0I4-FkQeDxYH4DA&psig=AFQjCNHl6uSQdD0sbp_HBMfEd1Va82TPhg&ust=1384412617655432"][IMG]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQXxj3cAsq5_-pw9_clkLKG2ANwn9erUu2HCOBaivxOn_nmHBP93w[/IMG][/URL]

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[quote=Chico23231;1040607][url=http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/12/sarah-palin-taken-aback-by-pope-franciss-liberal-statements/?hpt=hp_t2]Sarah Palin 'taken aback' by Pope Francis's 'liberal' statements – The Lead with Jake Tapper - CNN.com Blogs[/url]

Of course, she would be the one person who would call out the pope[/quote]

She really is one of the biggest morons alive.

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[url=http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/02/rush-limbaugh-vs-the-pope/?hpt=hp_t1]Rush Limbaugh: Pope is preaching 'pure Marxism' – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs[/url]

Rush once again is way off in his twisted interpretation. Really sad

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Ah yes, "pure Marxism" ... Well, except for that whole "God & Religion" thing. I seem to recall Marx (and pure Marxists) as taking exception to the notion of that particular "opiate".

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[url=http://rvamag.com/articles/full/22810/go-to-oklahoma-sit-on-the-lap-of-satan]Articles | Go To Oklahoma, Sit on the Lap of Satan | RVA Magazine | Richmond, VA[/url]

The monument, said the group’s spokesman, was designed to reflect the views of Satanists in Oklahoma City and could doubly serve as a tourist attraction.

“The statue will serve as a beacon calling for compassion and empathy among all living creatures,” said spokesman Lucian Greaves. “The statue will also have a functional purpose as a chair where people of all ages may sit on the lap of Satan for inspiration and contemplation.”

Oklahoma state legislators in 2009 approved the installation of a privately-funded Ten Commandments monument. It was installed last year over the protests of the local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union. The Satanic Temple wasn’t the only group to apply for a monument; People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, the satirical Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and a Hindu group have also requested a place near the Capitol steps.

"Either way you cut it, this is a First Amendment issue," Greaves said. "Once they open that door, they can't discriminate."

Yeah this is all over the news here and 99% of Oklahomans are disgusted, I won't be sitting on Satan's lap shit the last thing I need right now is god mad at me

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people just need to seperate church and state. But right wing christians refuse and then get mad when others want to be included. Just keep this stuff seperate.