Remember players vote on this right? So if that's the case then Jackson is respected by his peers

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I will never forget that 80-something yard TD catch on the very first play from scrimmage on that Monday Night game against the Redskins in 2010. DeSean Jackson scorched LaRon Landry, a safety that plays excellently against the run but poorly against the pass.

[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;916864]I will never forget that 80-something yard TD catch on the very first play from scrimmage on that Monday Night game against the Redskins in 2010. DeSean Jackson scorched LaRon Landry, a safety that plays excellently against the run but poorly against the pass.[/QUOTE]

One of the worst nights I can remember and not just because of ass whippen

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[quote=skinsfaninok;916867]One of the worst nights I can remember and not just because of ass whippen[/quote]

The scars from that nights BEATING have finally started to fade.

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^ The way Mike Vick played that night is what I expect RG3 to do many times in his career.

#Highexpectations

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;916864]I will never forget that 80-something yard TD catch on the very first play from scrimmage on that Monday Night game against the Redskins in 2010. DeSean Jackson scorched LaRon Landry, a safety that plays excellently against the run but poorly against the pass.[/quote]


About ten steps before Jackson "scorched LaRon Landry", he also left DeAngelo Hall in the dust. That was the night that both Hall and Landry got in Jackson's face at the end of the team warmups. Great way for those two guys to back up all their woofing...

Jackson pouted most of last year because he thought the Eagles disrespected him by not giving him a long-term contract. Now he has a long-term contract.

Question on the table is this:
[INDENT]Will he return to his form from 2-3 years ago, or was all that hustle just a way to get paid - - and now he has gotten paid?[/INDENT]
Time will tell...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;916867]One of the worst nights I can remember and not just because of ass whippen[/quote]

I watched the game at a bar with some members of the Eagles front office (we were attending a conference)...it was pure hell

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i couldn't watch it all, it was like watching my dad get beat up by a neighbor

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I was at the game ugh, got drunk and almost got in 10 fights lol

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That was a brutal game. Hopefully our time will come very soon where we can hand out beat downs like that.

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I actually had Vick starting on my Fantasy Team that night, only saving grace.

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[quote=mredskins;916994]I actually had Vick starting on my Fantasy Team that night, only saving grace.[/quote]i was playing against him, i had the game in the bag barring, well, that type of performance

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[quote=SmootSmack;916990]I watched the game at a bar with some members of the Eagles front office (we were attending a conference)...it was pure hell[/quote]

eeew that would have been rough. This would be a good thread topic, worst skins game you had to sit through, living in TX I faithfully sat through many Skins azz beatings down here. The mid 90's to 2000's ruined me on going to Irving, after a few fights and dreadful games i said screw it and wont go to another one. But i will.

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[quote=los panda;916996]i was playing against him, i had the game in the bag barring, well, that type of performance[/quote]

I just went back and looked at my CBS Sports League and I have been in that league for 5 years and that was the best performance by any player I have ever had, 62 points in one game. Crazy.

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[quote=mredskins;916998]I just went back and looked at my CBS Sports League and I have been in that league for 5 years and that was the best performance by any player I have ever had, 62 points in one game. Crazy.[/quote]best ever by a qb if i'm not mistaken

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Laugh of the day/week/year/lifetime:

[SIZE="5"][B]According to the geniuses at ESPN, Tony Romo is a Top 5 QB.[/B][/SIZE]

[url=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story?id=7927725&_slug_=nfl-why-tony-romo-top-5-nfl-quarterback&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fstory%3fid%3d7927725%26_slug_%3dnfl-why-tony-romo-top-5-nfl-quarterback]NFL- Why Tony Romo is a top-5 NFL quarterback - ESPN[/url]

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[IMG]http://i50.tinypic.com/2e6ejab.png[/IMG]

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[quote=Monkeydad;917201][IMG]http://i50.tinypic.com/2e6ejab.png[/IMG][/quote]

I'm in the minority there. Romo get too much guff. He's a good player. Flacco is a game manager.

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Romo is a game loser though.

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[quote=los panda;917002]best ever by a qb if i'm not mistaken[/quote]

I say this a lot but if it was not for the Redskins so many teams would be lacking highlight reels.

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So at number 69 on the top 100 players...Carlos Rogers. I just had to stop and laugh when I heard them announce it. Also either I miss heard the narrator of the show or Orakpo (and/or Hall) is rated really high on this list. Like higher than LaMar Woodley, Phillip Rivers, Justin Tuck.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;917420]So at number 69 on the top 100 players...Carlos Rogers. I just had to stop and laugh when I heard them announce it. Also either I miss heard the narrator of the show or Orakpo (and/or Hall) is rated really high on this list. Like higher than LaMar Woodley, Phillip Rivers, Justin Tuck.[/quote]

Carlos ball'd out last year. He was always good for us too, he was always there he just couldnt come up with the pick, now he can and is a probowler.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;917470]Carlos ball'd out last year. He was always good for us too, he was always there he just couldnt come up with the pick, now he can and is a probowler.[/quote]

Oh no I fully agree with you. I just find it funny. We have a guy who doesn't do much for us. He goes on to another team and becomes a star. Come to think of it who was the last player we got who was a bust for his team and became a star on our team?

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Los was always solid, far from being a bust in his time here, his problem was always the dropped picks and he seems to have that corrected.

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carlos was our best cb when he left here. he's an actual #1, unlike hall. it really is too bad things didn't work out.

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[quote=That Guy;917501]carlos was our best cb when he left here. he's an actual #1, unlike hall. it really is too bad things didn't work out.[/quote]

Honestly, I didn't like Carlos Rogers the whole time he was a Redskin. He dropped too many interceptions. He did cover well. Players get sick and tired of losing so he felt it was in his best interest to move on. The Redskins only had 2 winning seasons during the time Rogers was in Washington. As much as I didn't like Rogers, I do appreciate him over DeAngelo Hall. Hall was a huge disappointment in 2011.

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I hear McNabb is making a comeback so he can crack this list. (or is he?)



[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7937570/nfl-time-donovan-mcnabb-retire]NFL - Time for Donovan McNabb to retire - ESPN[/url]


He claims to have lost 15 lbs and is "in shape".


[IMG]http://static8.businessinsider.com/image/4fb120b66bb3f76d4200001a/donovan-mcnabb.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnflexperts/McNabb-Before-and-After.jpg[/IMG]

Must be Albert Haynesworth's definition of "in shape".

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I find it hilarious this clown is now working on his mechanics and footwork. All those fans that trashed Shanny can now kiss his ass. That's why he's a coach and you are not.

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He must be on the "all you can eat" diet. I've followed that same diet myself over the years.

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[quote=mooby;917636]He must be on the "all you can eat" diet. I've followed that same diet myself over the years.[/quote]

No, I saw him on "eat this not that" on the today show. He substituted mcdonalds for burger king. Maybe joe mcknight should give it a try?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;917475]Oh no I fully agree with you. I just find it funny. We have a guy who doesn't do much for us. He goes on to another team and becomes a star. Come to think of it who was the last player we got who was a bust for his team and became a star on our team?[/quote]

yeah not many for us, i would say Carriker though. Unfortunately we have had many go to other teams and do good but i think that will begin to change with Shanahan and Co. although I think letting LaRon go was a mistake we shouldve signed him for a year to see, he will be a probowler for the jets

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I think we've gone over this Carlos Rogers thing one too many times now. Carlos Rogers balled last year because Carlos Rogers FINALLY started playing up to his potential.

Now....lets stop and think to why that is.

Hmmmm....ONE YEAR CONTRACT. Those three words are exactly why he balled out, and exactly why he got the corrective measures for his eyesight. He knew if he didn't ball out last year, he could kiss that chance of a big contract good bye.

He had no such motivation here in DC, because he was a high round pick who got top money before ever playing one down. Then he sat back and saw how players around him got paid top dollar for half assing it, which is exactly what he did. Was he bad? Of course not. Did he play up to his potential? Absolutely not. Not even close to what he should have been playing like over the years.

Rogers was ultimately mad that D-Hall got paid big time coin, while he was being snubbed even though he was a better CB. Had Rogers got contacts, and worked his ass off, he probably would have been looking at Nnamdi or Revis type money, but he blew it.

Let's not even forget that Rogers only got a 1 year contract once he became a free agent, and didn't even get that contract until late in the ball game when all the other CBs had been gobbled up.

Now that he's gotten paid, I wouldn't be surprised to see Rogers going back to being that same old player he was in DC. Decent...but not matching his potential.

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Rogers has been in a contract year loop since 2009. Even if we were to assume that there was something fundamentally different about his performance in SF (it probably was just usage/coaching differences), he's been on a one year contract since 2008, a year when he might have been the top CB in the NFC East.

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If only McNabb would admit that he's on 2nd string QB status now he would be better off. A team, probably the Eagles, would re-sign him. Andy Reid recently made a pitch on McNabb's behalf. But if his old Philly head coach really thought that highly of him, then why wouldn't he re-sign McNabb to a contract?

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[quote=NC_Skins;917669]I think we've gone over this Carlos Rogers thing one too many times now.[/quote]

That was all you needed to say

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[quote=NC_Skins;917669]I think we've gone over this Carlos Rogers thing one too many times now. Carlos Rogers balled last year because Carlos Rogers FINALLY started playing up to his potential.

Now....lets stop and think to why that is.

Hmmmm....ONE YEAR CONTRACT. Those three words are exactly why he balled out, and exactly why he got the corrective measures for his eyesight. He knew if he didn't ball out last year, he could kiss that chance of a big contract good bye.

He had no such motivation here in DC, because he was a high round pick who got top money before ever playing one down. Then he sat back and saw how players around him got paid top dollar for half assing it, which is exactly what he did. Was he bad? Of course not. Did he play up to his potential? Absolutely not. Not even close to what he should have been playing like over the years.

Rogers was ultimately mad that D-Hall got paid big time coin, while he was being snubbed even though he was a better CB. Had Rogers got contacts, and worked his ass off, he probably would have been looking at Nnamdi or Revis type money, but he blew it.

Let's not even forget that Rogers only got a 1 year contract once he became a free agent, and didn't even get that contract until late in the ball game when all the other CBs had been gobbled up.

Now that he's gotten paid, I wouldn't be surprised to see Rogers going back to being that same old player he was in DC. Decent...but not matching his potential.[/quote]

Not quite. The lack of offers is what finally told him to start working better on shit in his control -- vision correction, ways to mentally focus himself, etc. He was on one-year contracts before...but didn't perform at a higher level because he overvalued his own worth.

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[quote=NC_Skins;917632]I hear McNabb is making a comeback so he can crack this list. (or is he?)



[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7937570/nfl-time-donovan-mcnabb-retire]NFL - Time for Donovan McNabb to retire - ESPN[/url]


He claims to have lost 15 lbs and is "in shape".


[IMG]http://static8.businessinsider.com/image/4fb120b66bb3f76d4200001a/donovan-mcnabb.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnflexperts/McNabb-Before-and-After.jpg[/IMG]

Must be Albert Haynesworth's definition of "in shape".

I find it hilarious this clown is now working on his mechanics and footwork. All those fans that trashed Shanny can now kiss his ass. That's why he's a coach and you are not.[/quote]

Lol, how McNabb is playing to public to being a bunch of ignorant morons ONCE AGAIN. Losing weight does not necessarily mean losing fat. It could be muscle loss too...depending on what he is actually doing.
But if indeed he has lost 15 pounds of fat...well one would infer that he sure as hell neglected cardio training in the past AND didn't keep his calorie consumption in control.

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[quote=mooby;917636]He must be on the "all you can eat" diet. I've followed that same diet myself over the years.[/quote]

Shape doesn't matter so much at QB. Big Ben is basically a fat slob but he produces so no one says anything. Other guys like Tom Brady and Eli Manning aren't world class athletes but know the mental side of the game so well that they succeed.


[IMG]https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQJ_AukZxPNQLQ7JQG1Z-7n4iYB0_AwldBFHs1pVnFebfaynGmawA[/IMG][IMG]https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcREErjdbo_4W3iII8kM7l7aLzGT8hyFXEuhEu_9ZOXmMd6ET7ic[/IMG][IMG]https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVeoiXhVQhBS98DrmUZqu3q7IZXLhjPs2L7RxBTrMZmH97ayzv2A[/IMG][IMG]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTetjFg6s90MImr0eW8UpsQS4NCQcwo0ePYgRArEPYxBg9c6eIml3EPFeIL[/IMG]

Now compare this to some of the best 'in shape' QB's.
[IMG]https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRDIZuDhwO18XdDwfDNFZ6VRUAZwo-hf--p5-MlTBaWlVGyk2Gryw[/IMG][IMG]https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRhSLSMJW1jXPX4pvA-F1fFejmIvlui528hOqS_dVSd7b3wvkEv[/IMG][IMG]https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTFcVkCfjPn-XAyHLsjKGAMf8N3s_FiE9SlWxlaKkPClAj-f6Q-pA[/IMG]

McNabb's problems have almost always come from his lack of fundamentals not his weight. And this goes for other QB's as well. For example all the bicep curls in the world aren't going to stop Rex Grossman from fumbling once every 18 snaps.

QB is virtually the only position in team sports where you're better off sitting in a dark room in front of a TV or projector then you are spending time in the weight room.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;917725]Shape doesn't matter so much at QB. Big Ben is basically a fat slob but he produces so no one says anything. Other guys like Tom Brady and Eli Manning aren't world class athletes but know the mental side of the game so well that they succeed.


[IMG]https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQJ_AukZxPNQLQ7JQG1Z-7n4iYB0_AwldBFHs1pVnFebfaynGmawA[/IMG][IMG]https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcREErjdbo_4W3iII8kM7l7aLzGT8hyFXEuhEu_9ZOXmMd6ET7ic[/IMG][IMG]https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVeoiXhVQhBS98DrmUZqu3q7IZXLhjPs2L7RxBTrMZmH97ayzv2A[/IMG][IMG]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTetjFg6s90MImr0eW8UpsQS4NCQcwo0ePYgRArEPYxBg9c6eIml3EPFeIL[/IMG]

Now compare this to some of the best 'in shape' QB's.
[IMG]https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRDIZuDhwO18XdDwfDNFZ6VRUAZwo-hf--p5-MlTBaWlVGyk2Gryw[/IMG][IMG]https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRhSLSMJW1jXPX4pvA-F1fFejmIvlui528hOqS_dVSd7b3wvkEv[/IMG][IMG]https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTFcVkCfjPn-XAyHLsjKGAMf8N3s_FiE9SlWxlaKkPClAj-f6Q-pA[/IMG]

McNabb's problems have almost always come from his lack of fundamentals not his weight. And this goes for other QB's as well. For example all the bicep curls in the world aren't going to stop Rex Grossman from fumbling once every 18 snaps.
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QB is virtually the only position in team sports where you're better off sitting in a dark room in front of a TV or projector then you are spending time in the weight room.[/B][/quote]

Until you're puking in the middle of the Super Bowl with the game on the line. :FIREdevil
Being in muscular shape might not be as important, but if you're huffing and puffing and wheezing because you neglected cardio training...well, chances are that you will not be performing well.

And I would disagree Ben is such a slob. He couldn't play his sandlot football without being able to run well enough to make his escapes.

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the fat makes them harder to bring down in the pocket, don't really see any other benefits

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;917727]Until you're puking in the middle of the Super Bowl with the game on the line. :FIREdevil
Being in muscular shape might not be as important, but if you're huffing and puffing and wheezing because you neglected cardio training...well, chances are that you will not be performing well.

And I would disagree Ben is such a slob. He couldn't play his sandlot football without being able to run well enough to make his escapes.[/quote]

I agree. The only real "fitness" we need from a QB are the ability to take hits and the ability to have enough stamina to throw as well in the first quarter as they do in the 4th quarter.

As for Ben, no doubt he can run and escape. However in this day and age of Jersey Shore people have made the mistake of confusing athletic prowess with weather or not someone has a six pack. I think that was more of the point I was trying to make.