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[quote=mredskins;991015]Mel Kipper is seriously a waste of time. The guy has been wrong so much it is unreal. IF he was such a great talent evaluator some team would have paid him big bucks to come on board.

The guy is nothing more then a talking head. Back in the day when fans were not as educated he came off as a good source now that the average fan has so much access to evaluational of talent it obvious the guy is just pulling at straws.[/quote]

Mel Kiper has actually had quite a few big offers from teams

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[quote=Mattyk;991021]Looking back it was a very solid draft overall.

Griffin and Morris were the home runs, obviously. A+ for both picks.

Cousins proved to be a shrewd pick, one that was blasted at the time but Shanahan got the last laugh on that one.

Crawford showed some flashes as a nickel and as a returner. Robinson was coming along before his injury. LeRibeus filled in and did a nice job at the end of the season. Wouldn't be surprised if he pushes hard for a starting job in camp. Compton could be in the mix too for the RT job.[/quote]

Agreed. Alfred Morris IMO was the steal of the entire draft.

[QUOTE=GMScud;991111]Agreed. Alfred Morris IMO was the steal of the entire draft.[/QUOTE]

He had to be, 1600 yards and 13 tds is all pro stats for a rb in today's NFL

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;991066]Mel Kiper has actually had quite a few big offers from teams[/QUOTE]

Hopefully not the Redskins.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;991063]Not to be biased but I would give this draft no lower than an A. You get a franchise RB and QB in the same draft?!? That deserves an A right there. Add in that we got a great backup QB and OLineman. I'd give us an A+.[/quote]

and by A, he means C+.

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Hey Kiper, the Redskins made the playoffs largely on the backs of two NFL history making rookies, RGIII (highest rookie QB rating in NFL history) and Morris (2nd leading rusher in the NFL in 2012).
I remember seeing a factoid/stat on the TV screen during one of our games stating not since the 1930's or 40's has an NFL team drafted a starting QB and RB together with such on field success in their rookie years. How did you miss that mophead?.
Add to that we did not have a killer defense to compliment them.

Add rookie Crawford who took over for suspended C. Griff [B]and[/B] impressed by taking over all kick return duties from a terribly slumping Brandon Banks. This was another one of the key rookies that made our playoff run possible.
Then add to that, the other three NFC east teams did not even make the playoffs.
Sorry Kiper we deserve at least an A-.
In your path to being a so called draft expert Mel Kiper you lost the real reason why we play the game: to make the playoffs and win Championships. Not to collect the most draft picks and be the offseason champs. Who gives a crap about not having the most draft picks if we are winning playopff team again. Don't agree with you Kiper. FU
If the Giants owner and the NFL had not incorrectly stripped us of a ton of salary cap money we would be in the big game next week.

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[quote=GMScud;991111]Agreed. Alfred Morris IMO was the steal of the entire draft.[/quote]As much as I hate the Seachickens, got to put Russel Wilson as the only guy ahead of Morris in the "steal" dept. this year. So far....

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Knowing what we all know now, would you rather have Russell Wilson and our first rounders back, so we could have also gotten janoris Jenkins. Or RG3 and no firsts for a few years.

[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;994637]Knowing what we all know now, would you rather have Russell Wilson and our first rounders back, so we could have also gotten janoris Jenkins. Or RG3 and no firsts for a few years.[/QUOTE]

how many times is this question going to be asked?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;994639]how many times is this question going to be asked?[/quote]

As many as we can!

Rg3

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;994639]how many times is this question going to be asked?[/quote]

Offseason man.

And I forgot that A) someone asked this before and B) what people had answered and C) I thought that the question that was asked before was RG3 or Wilson straight up; I'm asking with the whole drafts picks countered in

[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;994644]Offseason man.

And I forgot that A) someone asked this before and B) what people had answered and C) I thought that the question that was asked before was RG3 or Wilson straight up; I'm asking with the whole drafts picks countered in[/QUOTE]

Still I'd take Griffin I'm telling you he will win a super bowl in Washington soon

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RGIII is a better leader than Wilson. A 'leadership' analogy: Wilson is like Romo whereas RGIII is like Brees.

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[quote=RGIII;994677]RGIII is a better leader than Wilson. A 'leadership' analogy: Wilson is like Romo whereas RGIII is like Brees.[/quote]

yeah I dont know about that. Both have shown impressive leadership qualities. The biggest difference to me is RG3 is the better, faster runner. More of a playmaker with his feet. Wilson would have to tape a cheetah to his back to match that speed.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;994637]Knowing what we all know now, would you rather have Russell Wilson and our first rounders back, so we could have also gotten janoris Jenkins. Or RG3 and no firsts for a few years.[/quote]

As much as I love RG3, Wilson can do everything RG3 can do. I'd take the picks and Wilson.

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[quote=Chico23231;994683]yeah I dont know about that. Both have shown impressive leadership qualities. The biggest difference to me is RG3 is the better, faster runner. More of a playmaker with his feet. [B]Wilson would have to tape a cheetah to his back to match that speed.[/B][/quote]


Sounds like you've put some thought into this.

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;994686]As much as I love RG3, Wilson can do everything RG3 can do. I'd take the picks and Wilson.[/QUOTE]

Wilson doesn't have the arm or the speed Griffin has. Sometimes we forget how bad ass the guy really is.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;994738]Wilson doesn't have the arm or the speed Griffin has. Sometimes we forget how bad ass the guy really is.[/quote]

And will be. Five years from now I expect that Gryphon will have left Wilson in the dust in terms of development.

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the draft grade is an a +++++++++++, with the exception of mcrib. He needs to step it up this next year if he plays.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;994738]Wilson doesn't have the arm or the speed Griffin has. Sometimes we forget how bad ass the guy really is.[/quote]

THANK YOU

did everybody forget about that 70+ yard run against the Vikings? RGIII is one of the fastes PLAYERS, not just quaterbacks, in the entire league. Add that to the bomb TD's he threw against Philly and Dallas, division rivals makes it that much sweeter, and i have no question who i'd rather have.

ON top of the raw talent look at the team around them. Offensively both quaterbacks had similar situations. Hard running backs with decent recievers to throw to. On defense.... whole 'nother story. Seahawks were much better on a consistant basis than we were.

I give props to Wilson, dudes a stud. But He didn't change the culture of Washington, or the NFL for that matter, the way RG has. He's taken over D.C. like Brees in NO did. He's the best thing this franchise has done/gotten in a long time how can anyone even ask if he's worth it?

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We also remember that Wilson didn't get injured and Robert did twice. That's why the question was raised. We also remember that we don't have all our picks for 2 straight years

[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;995015]We also remember that Wilson didn't get injured and Robert did twice. That's why the question was raised. We also remember that we don't have all our picks for 2 straight years[/QUOTE]

just curious if you were hoping we would take Wilson over Griffin last year?

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I love that this thread popped up again. It was great to see the comment about bulking up Alfred Morris, so he could be our backup Fullback. And the "Rex knows the system, so he will definitely be the backup" comments are epic in hindsight. Awesome. Now onto page 3.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;995021]just curious if you were hoping we would take Wilson over Griffin last year?[/quote]

Then, RG3. Now, honestly, Wilson, based on picks, health, and production.

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If the Redskins could arrange to get Wilson and the Seattle corners, I would rather have that.

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Ok, well if its just the cherry picking hindsight game, I'll take Aaron Rodgers, Calvin Johnson, JJ Watts, Von Miller, Patrick Peterson, and Kuechly.


No one would have taken Wilson over Griffin, no one. That he played well is a testament to his ability and confidence, but to say you would rather have him is just a meaningless discussion. What if Wilson had gotten banged by Aldon Smith and Griffin had gone out of bounds and never taken that Ngata hit. Would you still want Wilson. It's a dumb discussion even for early offseason talk. Wilson was passed on by several qb starved teams because his pre draft stock (mainly his height) didn't make him attractive earlier, and several teams were looking at him right around where he was picked (including the Redskins according to reports).


Let me ask it this way, suppose the Skins take Griffin and Wilson in the draft instead of Cousins, do you think Wilson beats out Griffin in training camp? The answer isn't just no, its not in a million years no.

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[quote=sevier2;994981]THANK YOU

did everybody forget about that 70+ yard run against the Vikings? RGIII is one of the fastes PLAYERS, not just quaterbacks, in the entire league. Add that to the bomb TD's he threw against Philly and Dallas, division rivals makes it that much sweeter, and i have no question who i'd rather have.

ON top of the raw talent look at the team around them. Offensively both quaterbacks had similar situations. Hard running backs with decent recievers to throw to. On defense.... whole 'nother story. Seahawks were much better on a consistant basis than we were.

I give props to Wilson, dudes a stud. But He didn't change the culture of Washington, or the NFL for that matter, the way RG has. He's taken over D.C. like Brees in NO did. He's the best thing this franchise has done/gotten in a long time how can anyone even ask if he's worth it?[/quote]

Good post and I agree.

Funny how a late season run by Wilson and RG's injury all of a sudden left Wilson as everyone's darling and RG3 almost an afterthought. I know the NFL is the ultimate in what have you done for me lately, but it's ridiculous how quickly opinions change week to week.

I'm very happy to have RG3 and I don't regret what we gave up for him one bit. Besides, judging this one year in makes no sense. Let's see how things stack up after 10 years and see who has more rings and accolades.

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[quote=Mattyk;995065]Good post and I agree.

Funny how a late season run by Wilson and RG's injury all of a sudden left Wilson as everyone's darling and RG3 almost an afterthought. I know the NFL is the ultimate in what have you done for me lately, but it's ridiculous how quickly opinions change week to week.

I'm very happy to have RG3 and I don't regret what we gave up for him one bit. Besides, judging this one year in makes no sense. Let's see how things stack up after 10 years and see who has more rings and accolades.[/quote]

Its because like I said, RG3 got injured twice this year, Russell didn't get injured. All the analysts and NFL guys said RG3 is a great player but will be injury prone because of his style of play. We'll have to wait after this season before an opinion, but RG3 didn't do anything to prove those doubters wrong about getting injured. If this season he plays a lot smarter and doesn't getting injured and mike doesn't put him in a lot of running plays (so the coaches also coach smarter) then opinions will change.

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[quote=Mattyk;995065]Good post and I agree.

Funny how a late season run by Wilson and RG's injury all of a sudden left Wilson as everyone's darling and RG3 almost an afterthought. I know the NFL is the ultimate in what have you done for me lately, but it's ridiculous how quickly opinions change week to week.

I'm very happy to have RG3 and I don't regret what we gave up for him one bit. [B]Besides, judging this one year in makes no sense. Let's see how things stack up after 10 years and see who has more rings and accolades.[/B][/quote]

Exactly.

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RGIII > Wilson.

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[quote=KERRAKPO9198;995109]RGIII > Wilson.[/quote]

So... whatcha gonna start a thread on?