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[quote=SmootSmack;914684]Wasn't he charged with domestic violence the same day he "fell asleep at the wheel" and drove off a cliff[/quote]

I believe so.

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[quote=SmootSmack;914684]Wasn't he charged with domestic violence the same day he "fell asleep at the wheel" and drove off a cliff[/quote]

thats a bad day

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Right now there is no proof that Seau killed himself cause of too many hits to the head. I know the media is going to jump on this but how about we let the facts come out before we start blaming this on head trauma.

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Wow, extremely sad. Definitely one of the very bests. I can only hope the best for his family right now.

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[quote=12thMan;914669]Seau is the 8th Charger to die from the '94 team.[/quote]

???Wow! Really?

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CNN is saying it is a shoot to the chest.

If it is self inflicted that is rough way of doing it.

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[quote=skinsfan69;914691]Right now there is no proof that Seau killed himself cause of too many hits to the head. I know the media is going to jump on this but how about we let the facts come out before we start blaming this on head trauma.[/quote]

I agree!
There weren't any indications that he had any brain issues (other than driving off a cliff).
We went through a divorce, custody battle and domestic issues with a 25 year old girlfriend.

My prayers go out to his family. :(

Some guys lose the fame, money and perks of being a super star and can't cope.
Look at a guy like Terrell Owens, he might have already tried to commit suicide because he claims to be broke and the nfl doesn't want him anymore.
[url=http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/terrell_owens_assistant_described_W7nkKbx52PKbz8FJhFt4WJ]T.O. assistant described pill overdose as suicide attempt in 911 call - NYPOST.com[/url]
He was definitely an attention whore so the only thing he has left is celebrity apprentice and dancing with the stars.
I hope someone can get TO some help before he tries to commit suicide again.

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[quote=mredskins;914696]CNN is saying it is a shoot to the chest.

If it is self inflicted that is rough way of doing it.[/quote]


I believe other athletes have killed themselves in the same manner so that there brain can be studied post mortem. Perhaps that was Seau's intent?

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[quote=mlmpetert;914699]I believe other athletes have killed themselves in the same manner so that there brain can be studied post mortem. Perhaps that was Seau's intent?[/quote]


Oh maybe that is true, good call.

Still if I am doing it that is not the way!

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;914677]Will never happen I know you should never say never but theres to much $$$$$ in this game/business.[/quote]

Yeah i agree theres too much money involved. However if a few non-BCS states banned highschool / little leauge football that could create a big issue for the NFL.

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lol nobody reads... still

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[quote=skinsfan69;914691]Right now there is no proof that Seau killed himself cause of too many hits to the head. I know the media is going to jump on this but how about we let the facts come out before we start blaming this on head trauma.[/quote]

After 19 years of playing in the NFL, plus add a college and high school football career, I am fairly certain they are going to find brain trauma. Now is there a definitive test to prove this trauma led to his depression? Probably not. But the growing amount of similar cases is leading to a probable trend.

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[quote=Mattyk;914703]lol nobody reads... still[/quote]


haha, my bad.

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Loved that man.

He was one of the players that really got me into football when I was younger...

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[quote=Defensewins;914704]After 19 years of playing in the NFL, plus add a college and high school football career, I am fairly certain they are going to find brain trauma. Now is there a definitive test to prove this trauma led to his depression? Probably not. But the growing amount of similar cases is leading to a probable trend.[/quote]

I agree.

I don't think there's anything wrong with tossing that out there right now, considering how long he played like you said. In fact I think it would be a little naive to think it's not a strong possibility.

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[quote=12thMan;914669]Seau is the 8th Charger to die from the '94 team.[/quote]

That's crazy.

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[quote=mlmpetert;914702]Yeah i agree theres too much money involved. However if a few non-BCS states banned highschool / little leauge football that could create a big issue for the NFL.[/quote]

IMO what will see is raised awareness of parents. Parents will wait until at least High School to let their kids play full contact football. I don't think an elementary school child should be exposed to repeated blows to the head that full contact football creates.

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Damn, really tough watching Marcellus Wiley break down and cry multiple times just now on NFL Live

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[quote=Defensewins;914704]After 19 years of playing in the NFL, plus add a college and high school football career, I am fairly certain they are going to find brain trauma. Now is there a definitive test to prove this trauma led to his depression? Probably not. But the growing amount of similar cases is leading to a probable trend.[/quote]

But that may not be the actual reason he killed himself, even though the media will spin it that way. If he had head trauma that was bothering him then there's no way he could've played LB in the NFL til he was 40.

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He really must've had some serious issues to make two attempts on his life. Feel real sorry for his kids. I believe one plays football in HS.

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[quote=skinsfan69;914722]But that may not be the actual reason he killed himself, even though the media will spin it that way. If he had head trauma that was bothering him then there's no way he could've played LB in the NFL til he was 40.[/quote]

A) the media isn't spinning anything any way and B) yes he could have

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[quote=skinsfan69;914723]He really must've had some serious issues to make two attempts on his life. Feel real sorry for his kids. I believe one plays football in HS.[/quote]

Think he might already been in college, playing for Kansas I think?

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[quote=Defensewins;914704]After 19 years of playing in the NFL, plus add a college and high school football career, I am fairly certain they are going to find brain trauma. Now is there a definitive test to prove this trauma led to his depression? Probably not. But the growing amount of similar cases is leading to a probable trend.[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Yeah its probably fair to speculate that Seau has developed brain damage, and perhaps even CTE, from his profession and sport. But I dont think theres any proof CTE causes depression, its just a correlation.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Id like to see the correlation between those who develop depression after losing unimaginable success, fame, and lifestyles. Or someone who loses an elite ability in general. I believe cricket players are supposed to have the highest rate of suicide in pro sports. Maybe thats part cultural or maybe those who experience the reverse of rags to riches coupled with a loss of importance are at a higher likelihood of developing depression once their new found role of triviality sets in.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Junior Seau was a amazing player and is one of my favorite non-Redskins. Unfortunately it sounds like he had some very serious depression. Perhaps his early loss could have been prevented but it may have been inevitable.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=SmootSmack;914724]A) the media isn't spinning anything any way and [B]B) yes he could have[/B][/quote]


Yeah dudes play through extreme injuries all the time. Im sure major depression is one of the things near the top of that list.

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God this is so sad!So many stars have trouble conforming to the tedious aspect of the day to day schedual that we have done all our lives and take for granted.Add in the fact that the chance he sufferd from concusion syndrom is pretty damn good .To damn young!!!

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[quote=Giantone;914741]God this is so sad!So many stars have trouble conforming to the tedious aspect of the day to day schedual that we have done all our lives and take for granted.Add in the fact that the chance he sufferd from concusion syndrom is pretty damn good .To damn young!!![/quote]

Exactly what Trevor Pryce alluded to recently

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/22/sports/football/jets-trevor-pryce-is-retired-and-getting-tired-of-it.html[/url]

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A great NFL player, and a sad sad ending to his life.

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[quote=SmootSmack;914743]Exactly what Trevor Pryce alluded to recently

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/22/sports/football/jets-trevor-pryce-is-retired-and-getting-tired-of-it.html[/url][/quote]

That's a great article!

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[quote=skinsfan69;914722]But that may not be the actual reason he killed himself, even though the media will spin it that way. If he had head trauma that was bothering him then there's no way he could've played LB in the NFL til he was 40.[/quote]

Of course it may not be the actual reason, because there is no definitive test or way of knowing for sure.
This situation kind of reminds me of the tobacco and lung, throat and mouth cancer situation before it could be proved.
There was no way back then to scientifically prove that a heavy smoker that died prematurely of lung cancer, died directly because he smoked two packs a day. The tobacco industry paid the $ price after it could be proved scientifically that smoking tobacco can cause cancer and lied about it or concealed the truth.
Brain trauma and its direct effects are much more difficult to prove. But it does not take a rocket scientist to see former a boxers that slurs his words and suffers from other motor skill issues to know getting hit on the head repeatedly for 19+ years is not a good thing. Just like inhaling smoke is also not a great idea. It is not that difficult of an assumption to make. Science will one day catch up to this question and will either prove or disprove this theory.

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I hope that dudes like Trevor Pryce are speaking at the rookie symposium...

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[quote=jamf;914746]That's a great article![/quote]

I see this kind of stuff all the time around me. And it still amazes me. When I was 30 my career was really only just beginning. For most athletes their careers are pretty much over at 30. What they've worked all their lives for is done.

Everyone dreams of retiring early. Reality is that it's not all that much fun.

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I turned on the sports station briefly and they said Junior Seau coming up,I thought they were going to talk to him.I was shocked to come here and see he took his own life.Very sad news

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[quote=SmootSmack;914750]I see this kind of stuff all the time around me. And it still amazes me. When I was 30 my career was really only just beginning. For most athletes their careers are pretty much over at 30. What they've worked all their lives for is done.

Everyone dreams of retiring early. Reality is that it's not all that much fun.[/quote]

Also when you consider that athletes have competed at a high level on nearly a daily basis since most of them were teenagers it's a huge adjustment to not having a goal or opponent and it's difficult to deal with.

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Sad. I wish more people would talk about suicide like they do in the military. We get briefs on this almost monthly. It's a real problem in America. Suicide is a permanant solution, to a temporary problem.

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[quote=SmootSmack;914743]Exactly what Trevor Pryce alluded to recently

[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/22/sports/football/jets-trevor-pryce-is-retired-and-getting-tired-of-it.html[/URL][/quote]
R.I.P. Junior ,,,,,, very sad . Loved watching him play at USC and the NFL , very passionate player . Nice article , thanks for posting it SS .

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I literally logged in and said, "What!?!" Man. What a loss. RIP.

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just awful news. the second i heard he was dead i knew it was suicide. i had a feeling thats what really happened when he "feel asleep at the wheel" a year or so ago. it will be interesting to find out if a note was left, or if he had talked to anyone before taking his life. one of the all time greats, rip.

anyone else remember his nike commercial with dennis hopper? i used to love it

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaIsuqhHS8g]Nike commercial featuring Stanley talk about Junior Seau - YouTube[/ame]

From a current saints player Eric olsen

“Wow this is a tough one,” Olsen wrote on his Twitter account when he heard about Seau’s death. “When I was a frosh in HS Junior Seau worked the Jay Fiedler Football camp and at the end of one of the days he challenged anyone to a 1-on-1. Being one of the ‘big’ kids, I was volunteered by my buddies and went up in front of the whole camp to face this monster of a man. Shaking in my cleats, he gave me a wink before a coach gave the cadence. He let me pancake him. And he sold it too. I can’t even tell you how good I felt at that moment; it changed me forever. The whole camp cheered for me, a chubby kid that didn’t know if he even liked football. From then on I was addicted. All thanks to this 10-time all-pro that felt like makIng
some snot-nosed kid’s day. Doesn’t seem like much but it meant a lot to me. Sorry for the essay just had to share. RIP Junior I’ll never forget what you did for me.”

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[quote=skinsfaninok;914766]From a current saints player Eric olsen

“Wow this is a tough one,” Olsen wrote on his Twitter account when he heard about Seau’s death. “When I was a frosh in HS Junior Seau worked the Jay Fiedler Football camp and at the end of one of the days he challenged anyone to a 1-on-1. Being one of the ‘big’ kids, I was volunteered by my buddies and went up in front of the whole camp to face this monster of a man. Shaking in my cleats, he gave me a wink before a coach gave the cadence. He let me pancake him. And he sold it too. I can’t even tell you how good I felt at that moment; it changed me forever. The whole camp cheered for me, a chubby kid that didn’t know if he even liked football. From then on I was addicted. All thanks to this 10-time all-pro that felt like makIng
some snot-nosed kid’s day. Doesn’t seem like much but it meant a lot to me. Sorry for the essay just had to share. RIP Junior I’ll never forget what you did for me.”[/quote]

good story

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Depression whether through football injuries or bad relationships is a terrible thing. RIP Junior a favorite player of mine, I hope you find piece in the afterlife.