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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;918300][B]No one is talking about the state of the offensive line.[/B] That will be the main key as far as the offense goes. I'm still expecting the same starters from last season to start this season- Trent Williams, Kory Lichtensteiger, Will Montgomery, Chris Chester, and Jammal Brown should all be atop the depth chart. During the offseason the Redskins have added much needed depth along the offensive line through the draft. This will be the second straight year that the starting five have all worked together- so they should gel well since they have experience with the Redskins blocking schemes. Trent Williams should break out this coming season because it's time for him to place himself amongst the elite tackles in the NFL. Lichtensteiger and Montgomery are solid on the left side of the interior. Chester to me didn't do as well as he could have done last season but it was only his first season in the scheme. Lastly, if Jammal Brown can stay healthy for a full 6 game period we can have one of the more best offensive lines in the NFL.[/quote]

[quote=JoeRedskin in the previous post]
[B]What I like about what I am hearing is that we are starting to build solid depth along the line. We had good/average players to start with along the line but our depth players just weren't NFL caliber guys.[/B]
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[quote=mlmpetert in the post before Joe's]
I heard Kevin Sheehan on the radio this morning. He was at the Redskins OTA yesterday and said one of the thigns he noticed about RGIII was how well his throws are. Said they looked better then any Redskins ball since Jeff George.

After RGIII the rookies who he's heard coaches have been most impressed with are our [B]guards Josh LeRibous and Adam Gettis. Apperently they have looked really good and it sounded like onat least one of them has a chance at being a day one starter.

He also mentioned that the Redskins ultimately want to move Kory L. to center and that if Leribous or Gettis emerges as an impactful contributor then they would have that option. I think a lot of us have thought that Kory L. would be best suited for center but this is the first time ive heard it from a guy who is hearing it from coaches? I even thought when we signed Kory thats what he was coming to DC to do, be our center. Anyone else hear anything about moving Kory to center? [/B]
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This is just a couple of examples, I think plenty of people are talking about the state of the line.

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Plenty of talk going on, as usual not enough reading.

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[quote=mlmpetert;918291]I heard Kevin Sheehan on the radio this morning. He was at the Redskins OTA yesterday and said one of the thigns he noticed about RGIII was how well his throws are. Said they looked better then any Redskins ball since Jeff George.

After RGIII the rookies who he's heard coaches have been most impressed with are our guards Josh LeRibous and Adam Gettis. Apperently they have looked really good and it sounded like onat least one of them has a chance at being a day one starter.

He also mentioned that the Redskins ultimately want to move Kory L. to center and that if Leribous or Gettis emerges as an impactful contributor then they would have that option. I think a lot of us have thought that Kory L. would be best suited for center but this is the first time ive heard it from a guy who is hearing it from coaches? I even thought when we signed Kory thats what he was coming to DC to do, be our center. Anyone else hear anything about moving Kory to center?[/quote]

All I've heard (indirectly from the coaches) and I think I've mentioned it here is that they want Kory L. to be their go-to guy in a pinch at any of the interior positions. Specifically starting him at C? Haven't exactly heard that

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Im thinking Kevin Sheenan must have been speculating.

It would make a lot more sense to have Kory L. be well versed at all the interior spots since he's going to be limited through much or all of trianing camp. I think theres a good chance he will be a starter at G or C by the end of the year but im thinking he starts the year on the PUP list or as the primary interior back up.

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[quote=That Guy;918171]i want the best players on the field. if that's cooley, great, if not, great. he can still play though and being 29 isnt a death sentence. same for moss.[/quote]
doesnt this make the most sense?

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The Redskins are giving us horrible coverage of these OTA's

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yeah there has been nothing at all about today..was it closed to media today?

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;918569]yeah there has been nothing at all about today..was it closed to media today?[/quote]
Yes, but they gave us 1 minute of footage yesterday and nothing today.

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Can't say I'm to upset with the team keeping things close to the vest.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;918584]Can't say I'm to upset with the team keeping things close to the vest.[/quote]
I'm good with it.........

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Absolutely! If Mike let the media see everything after saying he and Griffin will do things offensively not seen before it'd be a silly scene. I have little doubt they're working up some serious magic.

Geez oh man I can't wait for these guys to whoop a$$ this season!

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/16/transcript-of-mike-shanahan-interview-on-pft-live/]Transcript of Redskins coach Mike Shanahan on PFT Live | ProFootballTalk[/url]

This is a pretty good interview Coach Mike Shanahan did with PFT recently. I don't know if anyone here even knows about it.

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[quote=The Goat;918596]Absolutely! If Mike let the media see everything after saying he and Griffin will do things offensively not seen before it'd be a silly scene. I have little doubt they're working up some serious magic.

Geez oh man I can't wait for these guys to whoop a$$ this season![/quote]
I seriously doubt they're going to do anything we haven't seen before with Griffin.
I wonder why everyone seems to think we'll be unvieling some brand new offense.
I think the offense will be the same as last except with a little more movement passes and a much much higher level of execution.

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I've talked to a lot of Redskins fans like myself about how the Redskins plan on using Griffin III. Some people have said that think that option/wishbone plays will be incorporated in certain situations. I've even heard stuff about Kyle Shanahan using plays from Baylor's games that Griffin III is already familiar with to go along with the Redskins did offensively last season with Grossman and Beck. RG3 was dangerous in that spread offense after all.

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[url=http://www.theburgundywarpath.com/2012/05/30/santana-moss-flashing-in-otas/]Santana Moss "Flashing" In OTAs. | The Burgundy Warpath[/url]

What do you guys/girls think.

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did he really lose 15 pounds? how is there any way to verify that information? i just watched that screen turned 78 yard touchdown in the 2005 chiefs game and he was downright slender. i haven't seen him move since last season. i hope he did slim down and speed up.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;919209][url=http://www.theburgundywarpath.com/2012/05/30/santana-moss-flashing-in-otas/]Santana Moss "Flashing" In OTAs. | The Burgundy Warpath[/url]

What do you guys/girls think.[/quote]

I've thought/said all along Tana would start. The more interesting scenario would have been Gaffney also in camp fighting for a battle. Would he have taken Moss' spot? That would have been a better competition for Moss since Gaffney is healthy and knows the system/playbook vs the recovering Hankerson and recovering/new to the system Morgan.

Even more interesting would be a true competition between Gaffney and Garcon, but there's no way Mike would let it happen. I'd still give Gaffney the clear edge for knowing the system, general experience and having better overall hands. Given Mike's ego, Garcon is the safest WR on the roster even though he's proved nothing...a big reason I hate it when we give an unproven player a huge contract.

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[quote=The Goat;919233]I've thought/said all along Tana would start. The more interesting scenario would have been Gaffney also in camp fighting for a battle. Would he have taken Moss' spot? That would have been a better competition for Moss since Gaffney is healthy and knows the system/playbook vs the recovering Hankerson and recovering/new to the system Morgan.

Even more interesting would be a true competition between Gaffney and Garcon, but there's no way Mike would let it happen. I'd still give Gaffney the clear edge for knowing the system, general experience and having better overall hands. Given Mike's ego, Garcon is the safest WR on the roster even though he's proved nothing...a big reason I hate it when we give an unproven player a huge contract.[/quote]


And what exactly did Gaffney prove over his 10 year career?

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I'll be out at the Park later today, anything you all want me to specifically look at?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;919237]And what exactly did Gaffney prove over his 10 year career?[/quote]not prone to injury (played in 155 of 160 games)
rarely fumbles (4 fumbles)
can produce (over 50 rec and 700 yards in each of last 3 seasons) *hasn't faded w age - catches and yards have increased in each of those seasons
68 rec, 5 td, and nearly 1,000 yards last season on the wrong side of 30

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[quote=InsaneBoost;919238]I'll be out at the Park later today, anything you all want me to specifically look at?[/quote]moss' weight/shape and speed/quickness

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[quote=los panda;919240]not prone to injury (played in 155 of 160 games)
rarely fumbles (4 fumbles)
can produce (over 50 rec and 700 yards in each of last 3 seasons) *hasn't faded w age - catches and yards have increased in each of those seasons
68 rec, 5 td, and nearly 1,000 yards last season on the wrong side of 30[/quote]

11 years in the league, never had a 1,000 yard season, didn't break the 700 yard mark until 2009, never had more than 5 TDs in a season. In fact over 11 years he only had more than 2 TDs twice. Only got close to 1000 yards this season because of the suspension of Fred Davis and Santana's injury. Didn't break 60 receptions until 2010. Redskins fans have really gotta get outta this lovefest for the mediocre. That is what Gaffney is, a mediocre journeyman receiver.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;919242]Redskins fans have really gotta get outta this lovefest for the mediocre.[/quote]no lovefest, just directly answering your question

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[quote=los panda;919243]no lovefest, just directly answering your question[/quote]

Not directed at you, just the people who continue to say that Gaffney should have been kept at all costs as if he were some kind of game changing receiver.

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[quote=InsaneBoost;919238]I'll be out at the Park later today, anything you all want me to specifically look at?[/quote]

If Leribeus is still taking reps at center or if he has gone back to guard.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;919244]Not directed at you, just the people who continue to say that Gaffney should have been kept at all costs as if he were some kind of game changing receiver.[/quote]ah, it seemed like it was in my direction since you quoted my entire post in your post.

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[quote=los panda;919246]ah, it seemed like it was in my direction since you quoted my entire post in your post.[/quote]

I quoted Goat first, you answered. You haven't shown a man crush on Gaffney like some here have.

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i'd have to see all the cap numbers to decide if he should have been kept at all.
good cut if (cap space on 9/9/12) ≤ (2012 cap savings from cutting him)
should have been kept if (cap space on 9/9/12) > (2012 cap savings from cutting him)

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[quote=los panda;919211][B]did he really lose 15 pounds? how is there any way to verify that information?[/B] i just watched that screen turned 78 yard touchdown in the 2005 chiefs game and he was downright slender. i haven't seen him move since last season. i hope he did slim down and speed up.[/quote]

Just by looking at his face I think it's obvious he's dropped some weight

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[quote=Mattyk;919320]Just by looking at his face I think it's obvious he's dropped some weight

[IMG]http://media.washtimes.com/media/image/2012/05/21/redskins_20120521_699_s630x419.jpg?ec682aef73dffd167b91a1d7de3f9af33ab84b50[/IMG][/quote]

Wasn't it Smoot that was telling us that Shanny wasn't too happy with how Moss came into camp last year out of shape? Guess he learned quick that wasn't going to fly with Mike like it did with Zorn.

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I don't recall saying that, but Moss has definitely stepped it up this off-season. No guarantee he'll make the final roster but it won't be for lack of trying.

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[quote=SmootSmack;919324]I don't recall saying that, but Moss has definitely stepped it up this off-season. No guarantee he'll make the final roster but it won't be for lack of trying.[/quote]

Might have been one of the other ES insiders. Couldn't remember if it was you or one of them. Didn't mean to attach that intel to you. :silly:

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[quote=InsaneBoost;919238]I'll be out at the Park later today, anything you all want me to specifically look at?[/quote]I have a ton of questions.
Some I won't bother asking (that I would like to ask via PM) because they're probably considered competitive advantage questions, . (i.e. how much shotgun did they use in practice? which formations do they use and how often etc...)
Enough preamble:

The OL:

Where is LeRib playing?
How is Jammal Brown looking? The very breif clip I saw of the OL/OTAs last week it looked like he was still limping.
Who is taking the back-up reps at RT/LT?
Which players are taking reps at Center besides Montgomery?
Does Chester take any reps at Center?
Is Kory Lichtensteiger out there yet?

Skill positions:

How many reps does Paul get at TE and with which unit?
Does Morris take any snaps at FB?
How does Cousins look compared to Rex?

DBs

Which Safeties are out there with the 1st unit?
Who is the 1st unit Nickleback/Slot DB?
Which unit and what spot is Keenan Robinson playing RILB or LILB?

DL

What DL unit (1st/2nd) and where does Jarvis Jenksins play (RDE/LDE)?
Does he take any snaps at NT?

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[quote=The Goat;919233]I've thought/said all along Tana would start. [B]The more interesting scenario would have been Gaffney also in camp fighting for a battle. Would he have taken Moss' spot?[/B] That would have been a better competition for Moss since Gaffney is healthy and knows the system/playbook vs the recovering Hankerson and recovering/new to the system Morgan.

Even more interesting would be a true competition between Gaffney and Garcon, but there's no way Mike would let it happen. I'd still give Gaffney the clear edge for knowing the system, general experience and having better overall hands. Given Mike's ego, Garcon is the safest WR on the roster even though he's proved nothing...a big reason I hate it when we give an unproven player a huge contract.[/quote]

Let it go man, let ... it ... go!!

Just buy yourself a Gaffney fathead, hang it in your bedroom, and let the rest go.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;919351]Let it go man, let ... it ... go!!

Just buy yourself a Gaffney fathead, hang it in your bedroom, and let the rest go.[/quote]

Thank You!

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;919237]And what exactly did Gaffney prove over his 10 year career?[/quote]

He proved he could be productive within our system/playbook even with an inferior QB. Garcon to his credit proved he could be productive within the Colts system/playbook with an inferior QB. But the odds are Gaffney would have a better 2012 w/ RGIII than Garcon because Garcon is brand new to the system/playbook.

But most important is the near certainty that a superior WR, to Gaffney and Garcon, would be available by the 2013 season. So why bind yourself to Garcon, an unproven quantity, for one year (2012)? Gaffney would have been cheaper and more productive by all probability.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;919242]11 years in the league, never had a 1,000 yard season, didn't break the 700 yard mark until 2009, never had more than 5 TDs in a season. In fact over 11 years he only had more than 2 TDs twice. Only got close to 1000 yards this season because of the suspension of Fred Davis and Santana's injury. [B]Didn't break 60 receptions until 2010. Redskins fans have really gotta get outta this lovefest for the mediocre. That is what Gaffney is, a mediocre journeyman receiver[/B].[/quote]

All true, but by all probability Garcon is just another mediocre journeyman WR, albeit younger than Gaffney. Why commit to more of the same when 2013 will almost certainly offer a superior WR?

Again, it's the opportunity cost of Garcon's contract that's key. The opportunity cost of upgrading another position this year, say right tacke, AND the opportunity cost of truly upgrading WR next year.

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[quote=The Goat;919377]He proved he could be productive within our system/playbook even with an inferior QB. Garcon to his credit proved he could be productive within the Colts system/playbook with an inferior QB. But the odds are Gaffney would have a better 2012 w/ RGIII than Garcon because Garcon is brand new to the system/playbook.

But most important is the near certainty that a superior WR, to Gaffney and Garcon, would be available by the 2013 season. So why bind yourself to Garcon, an unproven quantity, for one year (2012)? Gaffney would have been cheaper and more productive by all probability.[/quote]

There is no probability that Gaffney would be more productive at all.

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[quote=The Goat;919378]All true, but by all probability Garcon is just another mediocre journeyman WR, albeit younger than Gaffney. Why commit to more of the same when 2013 will almost certainly offer a superior WR?

Again, it's the opportunity cost of Garcon's contract that's key. The opportunity cost of upgrading another position this year, say right tacke, AND the opportunity cost of truly upgrading WR next year.[/quote]

All Garcon has done is gotten better since joining the league. Gaffney on the other hand needed injuries and a suspension to even get close to 1000 yards.

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[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/redskins-watch/2012/may/31/hall-among-cornerbacks-learning-new-roles/]Hall among cornerbacks learning new roles - Washington Times[/url]

D-hall playing new position eh?