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[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/redskins-watch/2012/aug/10/initial-thoughts-robert-griffins-preseason-debut/]Initial Thoughts: Robert Griffin's preseason debut - Washington Times[/url]

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[quote=Lotus;930056][B]It's only preseason and starters did not finish the first quarter.[/B]

Nonetheless I was pleased with our defense. I thought that this year would involve a series of track meets where the offense would be under pressure to make up for points given up by the secondary. That obviously proved not to be the case.[/quote]

That, for me is an excellent thing. When was the last time the starting group went out, executed effectively, and then took the night off. In my memory, we always were trying to get them to "find a rhythm" or just make one play, for the longest time. It's nice to see what looked like a professional first unit come out, get it right, and be done. The contrast of that to when Rex and crew came out was night and day. Cousins group looked like a preseason game.

And again, if the NFL isn't inking the new agreement with the Officials unions today they ought to be hacked in the press every day until they do. The film clip of the fake refs placing the ball at the 20yd line, and then the replay of the player downing it at the 4 yd line, ought to be a highlight from ESPN,CBS, NBC and Fox Sports until the deal is done.

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[quote=SmootSmack;930082]Well that's interesting.

Some of you may recall that I told you last week, thanks to a last minute stay of execution, Cooley was going to be given until the first preseason game and then likely released.

This, though, is the first I'm hearing of him being re-signed for less money[/quote]

After how Paul played, I wonder if they're reconsidering cutting him at all (regardless of if he would resign).

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[quote=mbedner3420;930092]After how Paul played, I wonder if they're reconsidering cutting him at all (regardless of if he would resign).[/quote]

Paul is too interesting a talent/physical specimen to cut after one bad game (his first at TE). Have to stick with him for at least two more preseason games. He's also a much cheaper option.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;930090]That, for me is an excellent thing. When was the last time the starting group went out, executed effectively, and then took the night off. In my memory, we always were trying to get them to "find a rhythm" or just make one play, for the longest time. It's nice to see what looked like a professional first unit come out, get it right, and be done. The contrast of that to when Rex and crew came out was night and day. Cousins group looked like a preseason game.

And again, if the NFL isn't inking the new agreement with the Officials unions today they ought to be hacked in the press every day until they do. The film clip of the fake refs placing the ball at the 20yd line, and then the replay of the player downing it at the 4 yd line, ought to be a highlight from ESPN,CBS, NBC and Fox Sports until the deal is done.[/quote]

I think the worst was towards the end of the first half, when the Redskins' were penalized for delay of game with 5 seconds left and they were out of timeouts. Chan Gailey had to remind the officials that NFL rules require 10 seconds to be run off the clock.

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The refs need to go. someone is gonna get hurt if they dont blow the whistle after the play is over.

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O Line looked good in pass protection but weak in the run game. The D made some very nice stops and played very tough at the goal line. I think the Bills had 6 plays inside the 5 in the 2nd half and then shanked the FG. You could sure see the drop off when RG III left the game. He seemed very relaxed on and off the field.

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[quote=Ruhskins;930094]I think the worst was towards the end of the first half, when the Redskins' were penalized for delay of game with 5 seconds left and they were out of timeouts. Chan Gailey had to remind the officials that NFL rules require 10 seconds to be run off the clock.[/quote]

That was bad. I also think that it was terrible when they called a touchback on a punt which never reached the end zone. Ridiculous.

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For anyone who thought the regular refs were bad... wow.

They need to get them back asap.

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If they release him will he be subjected to waivers? It'd be a pain if we lost Cooley on waivers.

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[quote=mooby;930100]If they release him will he be subjected to waivers? It'd be a pain if we lost Cooley on waivers.[/quote]

I think since he is a vet, he isn't placed on waivers.

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[quote=Mattyk;930098]For anyone who thought the regular refs were bad... wow.

They need to get them back asap.[/quote]

Agreed. I could tell it was going to be a long night when they called a touchback after Moorman's punt was downed at the 4 yard line. That wasn't even close.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;930090]That, for me is an excellent thing. When was the last time the starting group went out, executed effectively, and then took the night off. In my memory, we always were trying to get them to "find a rhythm" or just make one play, for the longest time. It's nice to see what looked like a professional first unit come out, get it right, and be done. The contrast of that to when Rex and crew came out was night and day. Cousins group looked like a preseason game.

[B]And again, if the NFL isn't inking the new agreement with the Officials unions today they ought to be hacked in the press every day until they do. The film clip of the fake refs placing the ball at the 20yd line, and then the replay of the player downing it at the 4 yd line, ought to be a highlight from ESPN,CBS, NBC and Fox Sports until the deal is done.[/quote][/B]

In the end they got the call right and that's all that matters. From what I saw they didn't miss any calls, or make any bad calls. They just didn't do basic shit....like blow the wistle when the play is dead, or run the clock off at the end of the half. lol.

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[quote=skinsfan69;930103][/B]

In the end they got the call right and that's all that matters. From what I saw they didn't miss any calls, or make any bad calls. They just didn't do basic shit....like blow the wistle when the play is dead, or run the clock off at the end of the half. lol.[/quote]

I don't know man, they looked lost at times and slow. I just don't think this is going to fly during the regular season when the game matters.

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[quote=skinsfan69;930103][/B]

In the end they got the call right and that's all that matters. From what I saw they didn't miss any calls, or make any bad calls. They just didn't do basic shit....like blow the wistle when the play is dead, or run the clock off at the end of the half. lol.[/quote]

It cost Gailey a challenge in order to get the ball placed at the 4. That shouldn't have happened.

Guarantee if that happens to us when the games count we'd all be annoyed about it.

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[quote=skinsfan69;930064]I didn't discount what he did. I think he did a nice job out there. I just said "let's not put him in the HOF after one pre season game".... where he threw it 6 times. No double standard at all.[/quote]

Fair enough, but I don't think anybody is getting over-excited about him after a game in which he ran 14 plays.

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[quote=skinsfan69;930103][/B]

In the end they got the call right and that's all that matters. From what I saw they didn't miss any calls, or make any bad calls. They just didn't do basic shit....like blow the wistle when the play is dead, or run the clock off at the end of the half. lol.[/quote]

They only got the punt return call right AFTER Chan Gailey was forced to use a challenge. In a real game, and situation reversed (us using the challenge for a painfully obvious errant call) this board would blow up. How can you say they didn't make any bad calls, when they called a punt a touchback when it was CLEARLY down at the 4, isn't that by definition a bad call???

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[quote=mooby;930107]It cost Gailey a challenge in order to get the ball placed at the 4. That shouldn't have happened.

Guarantee if that happens to us when the games count we'd all be annoyed about it.[/quote]

Yeah, its crap like that that really undermines the NFL's ability to negotiate. Terrible, terrible calls all night. I wonder how the Chargers/Packers game went with the female ref...

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;930109]They only got the punt return call right AFTER Chan Gailey was forced to use a challenge. In a real game, and situation reversed (us using the challenge for a painfully obvious errant call) this board would blow up. How can you say they didn't make any bad calls, when they called a punt a touchback when it was CLEARLY down at the 4, isn't that by definition a bad call???[/quote]

I didn't realize Gailey had challenged it. Yeah that was pretty bad.

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[quote=mooby;930108]Fair enough, but I don't think anybody is getting over-excited about him after a game in which he ran 14 plays.[/quote]

You would've thought he threw for 400 yards the way the media is talking him up today.

Honestly I was more impressed with Crawford and Baker. I know it's preseason but Crawford just looks like a pure football player. Returns punts, looks like he has great ball skills....I want to see more of this guy. And Baker just dominated. I want to see it again next week.

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There was some pretty laughable moments from the refs last night, they looked very amateur. I think it ended up being pretty even against both teams at least, but they missed alot of calls, made a ton of mistakes. I'm not really sure what the NFL is thinking, if these crews make it to a regular season game, it will be very bad.

I'm worried about Jarvis Jenkins, he seems to have lost alot of his pushing power.

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I only got to watch up to Garcon TD and then later the 4th quarter, but it was exciting nonetheless.

And I know everyone here hates bleacher report but i think this is a good read on the standouts and recaps a lot of the things many of you and other people are saying:

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1292052-ten-observations-from-washington-redskins-preseason-opener]10 Observations from Washington Redskins Preseason Opener | Bleacher Report[/url]

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[quote=mooby;930107][B]It cost Gailey a challenge in order to get the ball placed at the 4.[/B] That shouldn't have happened.

Guarantee if that happens to us when the games count we'd all be annoyed about it.[/quote]

Totally inexcusable.

The NFL needs to fix this problem quick.

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I was mostly impressed at the fact that RGIII was going through his reads, not just getting the ball snapped to him and throwing to the first receiver he sees. He looked off of Garcon before hitting him for a nice gainer. He made some good reads and quick decisions. He really didn't look like a rookie out there. Of course, I want to see how he looks against the Bears defense next week.

I think Coach Shanahan wanted to see how well that right side would run block - which is why you saw a lot of running plays to the right. They have some work to do, as Royster couldn't really find any running lanes. And of course, all the passes to Banks is to evaluate his chances at making the team as a wide receiver. He has the speed, but he looked awful out there. I know a few of those passes would have been difficult passes, but you gotta do the impossible if you're going to make the them. I was extremely impressed with Crawford - both in coverage and with his punt returns! I was also extremely impressed with Hank on that one catch - the big guy has some moves and he's going to be exciting to watch this year!

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[IMG]http://www.redskins.com/assets/images/imported/WAS/centerpieces/landing-page-centerpieces/Pierre_Garcon_away.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Mattyk;930125][IMG]http://www.redskins.com/assets/images/imported/WAS/centerpieces/landing-page-centerpieces/Pierre_Garcon_away.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Awesome! I was wondering if he was going to continue the tradition.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;930109]They only got the punt return call right AFTER Chan Gailey was forced to use a challenge. In a real game, and situation reversed (us using the challenge for a painfully obvious errant call) this board would blow up. [B]How can you say they didn't make any bad calls, when they called a punt a touchback when it was CLEARLY down at the 4, isn't that by definition a bad call???[/quote][/B]

They didn't call it a touch back they said the first person to touch the ball went out of bounds. It was like number 72 went out of bounds but it was number 71 who downed the ball. While it was a bad call it something that always happens. They did not loose the challenge because it was over turned.

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On one hand I'm glad that RG3 played as well as he did and that we saw Cousins struggle a bit. Honestly it's easier for us media wise if RG3 shows his flashes and establishes himself first before Cousins starts to show his promise. With that said I was surprised at how much he struggled. I mean he was just forcing stuff left and right and struggled to find any semblance of a rhythm. I know its early but it makes me wonder if Cousins will ever be the type of preseason hero that tempts a team to part with a day 1 or 2 draft pick a couple of years down the line.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;930129]On one hand I'm glad that RG3 played as well as he did and that we saw Cousins struggle a bit. Honestly it's easier for us media wise if RG3 shows his flashes and establishes himself first before Cousins starts to show his promise. With that said I was surprised at how much he struggled. I mean he was just forcing stuff left and right and struggled to find any semblance of a rhythm. I know its early but it makes me wonder if Cousins will ever be the type of preseason hero that tempts a team to part with a day 1 or 2 draft pick a couple of years down the line.[/quote]

I could be wrong, but I believe part of it was the coaches telling Cousins to target Brandon Banks a bit more. Cousins is going to struggle, no doubt, but I did see some potential in him. I think eventually he'll be a strong backup for us.

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[quote=Mattyk;930125][IMG]http://www.redskins.com/assets/images/imported/WAS/centerpieces/landing-page-centerpieces/Pierre_Garcon_away.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Evil grin needs to adopt the pic as his Avatar!

My simple observations: Cut Banks and RGI now! Just do it!

Along with a lack of scores by the B&G, it was a sloppy game. Especially RGI and Banks. The OL wasn't great, just ok. Our team did just enough to win, and the Bills Offense looked like it was going on only 2-3 days of practice. Our secondary was ok.

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Grossman still has value as the #2.

Cousins isn't going to be ready for that this year.

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[quote=Mattyk;930141]Grossman still has value as the #2.

Cousins isn't going to be ready for that this year.[/quote]

Definitely not this year!

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Heard a Cowboys fan call in to NFL radio a while ago, he tried to say RG3 looked bad last night, Schein ripped him to shreds lol

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[quote=Mattyk;930155]Heard a Cowboys fan call in to NFL radio a while ago, he tried to say RG3 looked bad last night, Schein ripped him to shreds lol[/quote]

He needs to worry about Monday night, cant wait to see Dallas on national tv struggling. typical Dallas fan

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[quote=Chico23231;930157]He needs to worry about Monday night, cant wait to see Dallas on national tv struggling. typical Dallas fan[/quote]

He's only a typical Dallas fan if he has never set foot in the state of Texas.

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[quote=Mattyk;930141]Grossman still has value as the #2.

Cousins isn't going to be ready for that this year.[/quote]
Disagree, if RG3 goes down our season is toast, no need to let Rex win us 2 games. Why not let the youngster play and learn on the job for possible trade bait down the road. Part of Cousins problem was he had to use Banks as a primary receiver, I think some of that was by design from the coaches to see if he can play WR. We shall see, 3 more games to play for Mr Cousins.

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[quote=CapitalDefense;930165]Disagree, if RG3 goes down our season is toast, no need to let Rex win us 2 games. Why not let the youngster play and learn on the job for possible trade bait down the road. Part of Cousins problem was he had to use Banks as a primary receiver, I think some of that was by design from the coaches to see if he can play WR. We shall see, 3 more games to play for Mr Cousins.[/quote]

Rex has value as a short term starter. Obviously if RG3 goes down for the season, it might make more sense to start Cousins but I think it would also depend on where the team is at in the standings.

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If RG3 goes down and we're in a playoff hunt then you can expect Grossman to be in there. If we're not then I don't want to see him. As for people saying Cousins isn't ready, what rookie QB is ready? He played throwing to a 5'6 150 wr. I'm sure if he's out there with Garcon and Hankerson and the 1st team line he looks a little better.

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[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2012/08/10/was-griffin-iii-robbed-of-perfection/]The Redskins Blog | Was Griffin III Robbed Of Perfection?[/url]

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Another f-up by the refs. Not that I really care, considering it was a preseason game. If this is going to be an extended lockout they need to get their shit together though.