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[quote=mooby;934346]For once I agree with Goat on this. I was starting to get concerned, I think a guy like Crawford trying to make the team wouldn't pull something as stupid as going drinking the night before a game. Obviously it's different if it's an established player but Crawford is far from it. Good to know he was actually sick.[/quote]

Whatever, we agreed on something back in 2009.

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hall has good hands so people tend to overrate him. as a corner actually trying to stop the WR from making catches, he's horrible.

[QUOTE=That Guy;934505]hall has good hands so people tend to overrate him. as a corner actually trying to stop the WR from making catches, he's horrible.[/QUOTE]

Crazy. That's like saying as a project manager I should be good at managing projects.

Ok, I'm done. I promise.

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[quote=The Goat;934496]Whatever, we agreed on something back in 2009.[/quote]

:laughing-

I'm sorry bro.

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He will be Top 5 in league this season...

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The stats don't lie, he stinks...

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DHall logic. 3rd and long? Sure, I'll bite on that double move!

Every time we get into 3rd and long situations I watch his receiver run right by for the long first down...

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[quote=mooby;934563]:laughing-

I'm sorry bro.[/quote]

No worries...it just made me chuckle when I read your post :)

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[quote=Daseal;934681]DHall logic. 3rd and long? Sure, I'll bite on that double move!

Every time we get into 3rd and long situations I watch his receiver run right by for the long first down...[/quote]

that's just a sign a quality, man. d hall is nothing but quality.

[QUOTE=44ever;934660]He will be Top 5 in league this season...[/QUOTE]

In what, missed tackles or getting torched?

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[quote=punch it in;934840]In what, missed tackles or getting torched?[/quote]

Hehehehe

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Gotta love the two sides of the D. Hall argument: those that hate him more than the Dallas Cowboys and those who think he is God's answer to the secondary.

I will never understand this rationale.

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A 199 CB's played last year? I'm surprised there are 199 in the entire NFL.

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[quote=firstdown;934899]A 199 CB's played last year? I'm surprised there are 199 in the entire NFL.[/quote]

That's about 6 per team, sounds right

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[quote=punch it in;934840]In what, missed tackles or getting torched?[/quote]

Hall will be playing free safety this season as opposed to a strict CB. It will take a little time to adjust but once he does I believe he will have more INT's and a better angle of attack to tackle. The position shift will utilize his speed and size more efficiently.

Instead of getting torched one on one as he tends to do, he will now have the advantage of reading the defense and positioning himself in the heart of the offensive movement creating more surprise INT's as well as fast closing tackles.

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[quote=44ever;934964]Hall will be playing free safety this season as opposed to a strict CB. It will take a little time to adjust but once he does I believe he will have more INT's and a better angle of attack to tackle. The position shift will utilize his speed and size more efficiently.

Instead of getting torched one on one as he tends to do, he will now have the advantage of reading the defense and positioning himself in the heart of the offensive movement creating more surprise INT's as well as fast closing tackles.[/quote]

And who will play CB in his place? So Hall isn't a shutdown CB. He's what the Skins have at the moment. Hope for the best until there's a better option. It could be worse. He could be hurt all the time and a inconsistent player.

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[quote=RGIII;934967]And who will play CB in his place? So Hall isn't a shutdown CB. He's what the Skins have at the moment. Hope for the best until there's a better option. It could be worse. He could be hurt all the time and a inconsistent player.[/quote]

Hall recently admitted himself, he is not a great CB. Unfortunately he is the best CB on the Redskins. So I will continue to support him as long as he's here. With that said, I do believe he has the tools to be great. HTTR!

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;934897]Gotta love the two sides of the D. Hall argument: those that hate him more than the Dallas Cowboys and those who think he is God's answer to the secondary.

I will never understand this rationale.[/QUOTE]

We feed off each other. I dont think even dhalls biggest supporter believes he is headed to the hall of fame nor do i believe his biggest hater believes he should not be playing in the nfl. You are rite though - that is how the two sides sound. Like i said - we feed off each other. I started to dislike him when i started on these message boards. I think i hate the people who believe he is a top notch cb more than i hate him. Lol. My problem with him is that he talks up and down the field. Than he gets burned by the number one wr on a pretty consistant basis. Just like anything you do in life - if you are going to talk the talk than walk the walk. I mean i dont think josh wilson is a great corner but i also dont see the guy tackle his man after an 11 yard catch and than stick his finger out and talk trash??????

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;934283]Hindsight is always 20/20. I don't recall anyone calling to extend Carlos [/quote]

I sure did.
I thought Carlos was solid...yeah he couldn't catch...but that's why he plays defense, have you seen the preseason, out entire defense has that issue.

Also,
I am sick of the DHall crap...I hate the way he runs his mouth and misses tackles....he blows coverage but mostly covers well. he obviously sucks as a nickle back and safety...why?....he can't tackle.

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There are 64 starting CBs in the league. Dhall is arguably not our #1(and we have secondary issues)...so he is halfway between a #1 and #2, his ranking would be likely be somewhere in the 30-40 zone.
[B]So I will go ahead and say it..Dhall is the #35th best CB in the league right now.[/B]
He is worse than almost all #1s and better than most #2s

[QUOTE=skinsnut;934984]There are 64 starting CBs in the league. Dhall is arguably not our #1(and we have secondary issues)...so he is halfway between a #1 and #2, his ranking would be likely be somewhere in the 30-40 zone.
[B]So I will go ahead and say it..Dhall is the #35th best CB in the league right now.[/B]
He is worse than almost all #1s and better than most #2s[/QUOTE]

But talks trash more than any of them.

I hope though that he puts his money where his mouth is this year, plays smart and kicks some ass though.

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checks the history bubba, i ALWAYS supported resigning carlos, and also said he was the best CB on the market for us when he left. he couldn't catch, but he could cover and tackle, so whatever.

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At this point, there's nothing new left to say about Hall, good, bad, ugly, or alien. This is a Redskins issue exclusively, and has been for quite some time.

[QUOTE=44ever;934974]Hall recently admitted himself, he is not a great CB. Unfortunately he is the best CB on the Redskins. So I will continue to support him as long as he's here. With that said, I do believe he has the tools to be great. HTTR![/QUOTE]

Josh Wilson is our best CB.

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[quote=hooskins;935066]Josh Wilson is our best CB.[/quote]

Is anyone else even close?

Hopefully Jackson continues to play well at safety,

Thinking about this more, the Giants don't seem to value the secondary that much either, it's all about their front 7. I'm not saying we are anywhere close to that Front 7, but we aren't bad either.

[QUOTE=Evilgrin;935126]Is anyone else even close?

Hopefully Jackson continues to play well at safety,

Thinking about this more, the Giants don't seem to value the secondary that much either, it's all about their front 7. I'm not saying we are anywhere close to that Front 7, but we aren't bad either.[/QUOTE]

Phillips and rolle are pretty good safeties. Also the giants did draft prince and aaron ross pretty high. Thomas was hurt last year. I wouldnt say they dont value it because they have spent quite a bit of money and draftpicks trying to sure it up over the last few seasons. Alot of injuries in their backfield.

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The entire time D.Hall has played here, he's played with a make shift secondary either at the opposite corner or at safety. Not making excuses, I'm just saying.

And from what I saw of Asomugha last season, he wasn't all of that. In fact, he get dusted on more than few occasions.

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[quote=44ever;934964]Hall will be playing free safety this season as opposed to a strict CB. It will take a little time to adjust but once he does I believe he will have more INT's and a better angle of attack to tackle. The position shift will utilize his speed and size more efficiently.

Instead of getting torched one on one as he tends to do, he will now have the advantage of reading the defense and positioning himself in the heart of the offensive movement creating more surprise INT's as well as fast closing tackles.[/quote]

Sounds like a great plan actually..a ballhawking CB that's now able to sit back and just go after the ball instead of trying to cover someone one-on-one.

I'm calling it. He'll have 9 INTs this season.

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[quote=GTripp0012;935058][B]At this point, there's nothing new left to say about Hall,[/B] good, bad, ugly, or alien. This is a Redskins issue exclusively, and has been for quite some time.[/quote]

LOL..as we go onto page five of said thread.

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sure, he gets burned, but it seems to usually be by an elite wr.
i'm glad hall is on the redskins, i'm a fan of his play. not a fan of his pay, i don't think he plays up to his contract

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I will say this, my misplaced passion for Hall is a classic example of how someone as brilliant as myself can be off once a year and forums like this help moderate my fandom.

Although I've been talked off the ledge, I still think Hall's better than 34 in the league! C'mon man! Don't make me started another D.Hall thread!

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The problem I see at FS is his tackling, and nothing in pre-season really seemed to reduce that concern. If we are counting on him being that stopping point guy, we are in a world of hurt.

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I mentioned it and posted the stats in another thread, but Hall is near the top of NFL in run stops and tackling efficiency by a CB. He's a good tackler most of the time, but I think his coverage skills cause him to miss too many tackles on passing plays. Also, we LOVE to completely destroy him on the internet when he does miss a tackle, so it's getting extra attention.

I think moving to FS and putting in more of a position to make stops instead of covering a WR 1-on-1 will really help his game. He's one of the better run-stopping CBs in the NFL and playing FS will allow him to get similar angles on WRs on passing plays, instead of trying to catch them from behind.

[URL]http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/12/2011-tackling-the-cornerbacks/[/URL]

[QUOTE]In addition to the perfect tacklers there were other corners who showed well in [B]run support[/B] with just a single miss despite a large numbers of tackles in the run game. The Titans’ Jason McCourty was way out in front in this regard–one miss despite 32 attempts–[B]but Washington’s DeAngelo Hall (not known for his work in the run game) also missed just a single tackle in his 23 attempts.[/B][/QUOTE]MEANWHILE...
[QUOTE]
No corner missed more tackles this season than Ronde Barber’s 22. [B]In fact, no corner came within five of that mark as Barber went toe-to-toe with teammate Tanard Jackson in the race to lead the league in misses.[/B][/QUOTE]We really do beat up on Hall more than his play merits. We knew he was a playmaker when we brought him in to complement a great coverage corner who couldn't catch a ball to save his life, Carlos Rogers. There were a perfect complement to each other skill-wise...one can cover, the other can create turnovers.

Now, I do realize most of the scrutiny on Hall is due to his high salary and I can't disagree with it for that reason...he should elevate his game to earn his pay.

But, I'm glad Hall is on this team most of the time. He has single-handedly won us more than one game since he's come here. He can fire up the whole team with his play at times and there's no one on the roster who can replace him right now, so just accept he's a Redskin and get behind him.

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^^ The issues with his tackling are clearly overblown as indicated by PFF. He's actually a good tackler for a corner.

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Hes not that bad. Crusty out.

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[quote=Mattyk;935219]^^ The issues with his tackling are clearly overblown as indicated by PFF. He's actually a good tackler for a corner.[/quote]

Seriously.

Did you see who ended up in the piss poor tackling: "which was only saved from rock bottom by Kevin Barnes from the Redskins, who missed one for every 3.9 attempts"

Our old friend Barnes...jeez

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WTF is Pro Football Focus?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;935232]WTF is Pro Football Focus?[/quote]

A really cool website with football stats.

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[quote=Ruhskins;935233]A really cool website with football stats.[/quote]

Well yes...I figured that but since I've never even heard of it it makes me care little about their rating system.
You may as well worry about how Dan McKlurken rates him?