Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=hooskins;941777]Game over. End of playoff hopes.[/quote]
Someone needs to talk you in off of the ledge.

Way too early for that talk. Its week 2, there are only 2 teams in the NFC that are 2-0 and only 1 team that is 0-2. That means there are 13 teams in the conference that are 1-1......Redskins are tied for second in the NFC.

A lot, and I mean A LOT can happen before December. Theres way too much football left to start waving white flags.

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

LOL!

"Orakpo and Carriker are out for the season!"

"I've got the perfect solution, let's bring in some more wide receivers! Brilliant!"

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=los panda;941759]it's unfortunate but it's not like either of them were game-changers. orakpo is not demarcus ware, jenkins has the tools to account for carriker's absence.

we're not doomed, it's an opportunity for a antonio pierce or ryan clark to emerge[/quote]

I agree with this. I've always thought that Orakpo was vastly overrated. Wasn't a good run stopper, too easily taken out of the game due to his inability to learn other moves. I think Carriker is a bigger loss than Orakpo truthfully. It's time for the next guys in line to shine. Step up or step off. Really that simple.

The only thing I fear is that our defensive pressure just took a big hit. Hope Haslett adjusts.

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;941789]We've been down that road, but it wasnt that bad. He wasnt ideal, but he was certainly serviceable. And he left on good terms. I'd rather bring him in than some other random veteran free agent. We'll probably just upgrade someone from the practice squad.[/quote]

He's lost when it comes to playing in space. He's strictly a hand in the dirt type of 4-3 DE.

I'd rather stick with what we've got.

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

Wait a minute! So with the new IR rules, isn't it possible that if Orakpo is able to comeback even if we put him on IR? You guys think he has any chance of coming back this year if so?

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=skinsguy;941792]LOL!

"Orakpo and Carriker are out for the season!"

"I've got the perfect solution, let's bring in some more wide receivers! Brilliant!"[/quote]

Unbelievable isn't it?

:doh:

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=hooskins;941777]Game over. End of playoff hopes.[/quote]


Why ,injuries hit every team.

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=skinsguy;941795]Wait a minute! So with the new IR rules, isn't it possible that if Orakpo is able to comeback even if we put him on IR? You guys think he has any chance of coming back this year if so?[/quote]

I thought we put Sundberg on that special IR spot. Plus, I think Rak needs to get healthy, especially since this is basically re-injuring his pectoral muscle.

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;941788]Crap in a basket....[/quote]

then swing it around and hit yourself upside the head with it. Chicken last week feathers this week.

[QUOTE=skinsguy;941795]Wait a minute! So with the new IR rules, isn't it possible that if Orakpo is able to comeback even if we put him on IR? You guys think he has any chance of coming back this year if so?[/QUOTE]

We used the IR option on our long snapper.

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=skinsguy;941792]LOL!

"Orakpo and Carriker are out for the season!"

"I've got the perfect solution, let's bring in some more wide receivers! Brilliant!"[/quote]

Gaffney time!!!

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[I]Some of the same people who wanted to trade Orackpo on this website or now calling for doom because he's gone. Rob Jackson stepped up before and played well for us. I'm sure he can do it again.[/I]

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=Ruhskins;941798]I thought we put Sundberg on that special IR spot. Plus, I think Rak needs to get healthy, especially since this is basically re-injuring his pectoral muscle.[/quote]

We did? I wasn't sure if we used that for Sundberg or not. I was thinking we haven't.

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=Ruhskins;941798]I thought we put Sundberg on that special IR spot. Plus, I think Rak needs to get healthy, especially since this is basically re-injuring his pectoral muscle.[/quote]

Probably best to shut him down and let him get back to 100%. I don't think he was fully recovered from that re-aggravation from the preseason. It was probably only a matter of time before he messed it up again.

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=Bucket;941804][I[B]]Some of the same people who wanted to trade Orackpo on this website or now calling for doom because he's gone.[/B] Rob Jackson stepped up before and played well for us. I'm sure he can do it again.[/I][/quote]

Who's that specifically?

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=skinsguy;941805]We did? I wasn't sure if we used that for Sundberg or not. I was thinking we haven't.[/quote]

We did.

[quote]The Redskins designated Sundberg for return under a new NFL rule that allows each team to re-activate one player per year from IR. Under the rule, Sundberg must miss at least six weeks of practices and at least eight games.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/09/13/nick-sundberg-says-hell-be-ready-to-play-when-ir-time-is-up/]Nick Sundberg says he’ll be ready to play when IR time is up[/url]
[/quote]

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

If there's one plus it's that LB is probably our deepest position this season.

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=Mattyk;941808]We did.[/quote]

Well darn it! Of course, it's probably best for Orakpo. No need to rush him back anyway I guess. I look at it like this, having the next guy(s) up will only strengthen our depth and experience, so let's see what happens!

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE Keep Kerrigan healthy!

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=skinsguy;941807]Who's that specifically?[/quote]

Nobody worth listening to that's for sure.

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=los panda;941759]it's unfortunate but it's not like either of them were game-changers. Orakpo is not demarcus ware, jenkins has the tools to account for carriker's absence.

[b][i]we're not doomed, it's an opportunity for a antonio pierce or ryan clark to emerge[/i][/b][/quote]

WTF,did I miss something?

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

I cannot believe this.

I have been waiting all day (British Summer Time) to hear Shanahans interview and then to be told this!!!!

Rak IMO is better suited to a 4-3 although in a 3-4 he does a whole lot more than "sack". His coverage in the open field has improved in the couple of games i seen him in lately and we will miss him BIG style.

As other posters have put. Time to step up.

Hail!

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;941784]How on earth are you questioning Morgan and Robinson. Both are VERY good wide receivers. WR is one place where we dont need to add anyone. [B]Its easily our deepest, most talented position group.[/B][/quote]

QB is the most talented position group. After that I don't know...maybe a tie between a lot of mediocrity. But specific to WR neither Morgan nor Robinson are legit starters i.e. neither will be a regular starter for another franchise in the NFL. Robinson is a decent route runner but lacks speed and seems to get lost downfield. Also, he's not breaking tackles. Morgan has the physical gifts to be a starter but doesn't have the football IQ of a starter.

Garcon is a starter, but what a meant earlier is this foot injury is likely to linger...they often do :(
Hankerson should start IMO and Moss in the slot. But if Garcon isn't healthy enough to be effective there's room for a legit starter. I think that guy should replace Banks btw.

At the same time we need to bolster the defense with today's injury news. I just don't think Carter is the answer...who else is out there?

Edit: LB is probably the most talented (after QB) like another said. London is the man. Kerrigan is now the 2nd best player on defense. Riley and the new starter need to step up!!

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=htownskinfan;941816]WTF,did I miss something?[/quote]

I think he meant an Antonio Pierce or a Ryan Clark TYPE of guy to step up, not those actual players.

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=skinsguy;941820]I think he meant an Antonio Pierce or a Ryan Clark TYPE of guy to step up, not those actual players.[/quote]

OK,I get it now:cheeky-sm

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=The Goat;941818]QB is the most talented position group. After that I don't know...maybe a tie between a lot of mediocrity. But specific to WR neither Morgan nor Robinson are legit starters i.e. neither will be a regular starter for another franchise in the NFL. Robinson is a decent route runner but lacks speed and seems to get lost downfield. Also, he's not breaking tackles. Morgan has the physical gifts to be a starter but doesn't have the football IQ of a starter.

Garcon is a starter, but what a meant earlier is this foot injury is likely to linger...they often do :(
Hankerson should start IMO and Moss in the slot. But if Garcon isn't healthy enough to be effective there's room for a legit starter. I think that guy should replace Banks btw.

At the same time we need to bolster the defense with today's injury news. I just don't think Carter is the answer...who else is out there?[/quote]

Robinson lacks speed? Are we talking about the same guy?

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=The Goat;941779]Given Garcon's lagging injury and questionable recovery, Morgan not cutting it as a starter, and Robinson struggling to catch the long ball, I would definitely bring in a WR at this point. Plaxico would immediately be our best endzone target.[/quote]


He dropped one god damn ball? Does that constitute struggling? Sweet baby jesus man....lol


Lost 2 defensive players and you want to bring in a old burnt out WR??


:doh:

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

The good out of this, we can finally see how good Rob Jackson is as a starter. Possibly call up markus white from TBs practice squad. See Chris Wilson in action. Its good evaluation for next year.

Carriker, it sucks, but remember he was being replaced by Jarvis Jenkins last preseason and Jenkins was considered by some to be the best DL on our team. That injury may be a blessing in disguise for us. Yes I agree Carriker was very stout against the run, but Jarvis is good at everything.

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=Swarley;941822]Robinson lacks speed? Are we talking about the same guy?[/quote]

Robinson ran a 4.4 at the combine, speed is clearly not an issue.

Goat thinks Garcon lacks speed too, keep that in mind.

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=The Goat;941818]QB is the most talented position group. After that I don't know...maybe a tie between a lot of mediocrity. But specific to WR neither Morgan nor Robinson are legit starters i.e. neither will be a regular starter for another franchise in the NFL. Robinson is a decent route runner but lacks speed and seems to get lost downfield. Also, he's not breaking tackles. Morgan has the physical gifts to be a starter but doesn't have the football IQ of a starter.

Garcon is a starter, but what a meant earlier is this foot injury is likely to linger...they often do :(
Hankerson should start IMO and Moss in the slot. But if Garcon isn't healthy enough to be effective there's room for a legit starter. I think that guy should replace Banks btw.

At the same time we need to bolster the defense with today's injury news. I just don't think Carter is the answer...who else is out there?

Edit: LB is probably the most talented (after QB) like another said. London is the man. Kerrigan is now the 2nd best player on defense. Riley and the new starter need to step up!![/quote]


Robinson doesnt lack speed, i will give you he looked lost down field on the pass he dropped.

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=Swarley;941822]Robinson lacks speed? Are we talking about the same guy?[/quote]

Yeah, I thought he was supposed to be a burner too!? I noticed the ball he caught over the middle yesterday he couldn't beat the one defender (safety I think) on the outside. The downfield bomb made him look open because he got lost lol, not because he outran anybody.

Good route runner though quicker than he is fast, I could see him in the slot next year if Tana is gone.

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

IMO - The 'skins are still suffering from years of front office garbage, which will take years to sort out. You dont build a franchise Super Bowl team with one 1st round pick and some FA's. It takes years of change in the organisation (which i believe we doing)

This is the 1st season we have looked anything decent and to be 1-1 is ok considering we played 2 road games and one was against the Saints. We would have taken that PRE-SEASON.

I will reserve judgement until after the Bengals game. They simply have to step up.

Hail!

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

R.I.P. Redskins defense '12

We hardly knew yee

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=skinsguy;941792]LOL!

"Orakpo and Carriker are out for the season!"

"I've got the perfect solution, let's bring in some more wide receivers! Brilliant!"[/quote]

Lol. It's amazing the fresh ideas people come up with around here.

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=Mattyk;941827]Robinson ran a 4.4 at the combine, speed is clearly not an issue.

Goat thinks Garcon lacks speed too, keep that in mind.[/quote]

References to combine numbers (no pads, perfect conditions) drive me bonkers. Gamespeed is a whole nuther animal. If speed stats translated to the field Jerry Rice wouldn't have played pro ball...and a million guys nobody knows would be HOFers.

Robinson doesn't outrun defenders, he gets open by running good routes though and that is definitely valuable. Garcon outran Patrick Robinson after Robinson bumped his teammate and stumbled a bit. Otherwise Garcon hasn't blazed by anyone. But Garcon plays hard and will break a tackle here and there. Both guys have qualities though and especially with Garcon we haven't had a WR who could break tackles in a long, long time.

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=The Goat;941829]Yeah, I thought he was supposed to be a burner too!? I noticed the ball he caught over the middle yesterday he couldn't beat the one defender (safety I think) on the outside. The downfield bomb made him look open because he got lost lol, not because he outran anybody.

Good route runner though quicker than he is fast, I could see him in the slot next year if Tana is gone.[/quote]

I don't think it goes

Burner -> Lacks speed

There's an in-between and in my estimation that's where Robinson is.

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=The Dull Roar;941833]R.I.P. Redskins defense '12

We hardly knew yee[/quote]

LOL that's excellent whether you're serious or not!

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

I love how a thread about two defensive players being out for the season is now a thread about whether Aldrick Robinson has enough speed. Nice.

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=mooby;941838]I love how a thread about two defensive players being out for the season is now a thread about whether Aldrick Robinson has enough speed. Nice.[/quote]

Orakpo was hurt because Robinson runs a slow 4.4. Discuss.

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=mooby;941834]Lol. It's amazing the fresh ideas people come up with around here.[/quote]

Ain't it the truth!

Re: Orakpo and Carriker Done for Season
 

[quote=The Goat;941818]QB is the most talented position group. After that I don't know...maybe a tie between a lot of mediocrity. But specific to WR neither Morgan nor Robinson are legit starters i.e. neither will be a regular starter for another franchise in the NFL. Robinson is a decent route runner but lacks speed and seems to get lost downfield. Also, he's not breaking tackles. Morgan has the physical gifts to be a starter but doesn't have the football IQ of a starter.

Garcon is a starter, but what a meant earlier is this foot injury is likely to linger...they often do :(
Hankerson should start IMO and Moss in the slot. But if Garcon isn't healthy enough to be effective there's room for a legit starter. I think that guy should replace Banks btw.

At the same time we need to bolster the defense with today's injury news. I just don't think Carter is the answer...who else is out there?

Edit: LB is probably the most talented (after QB) like another said. London is the man. Kerrigan is now the 2nd best player on defense. Riley and the new starter need to step up!![/quote]

There is no way you can justify QB being our deepest and most talented position. After Griffin, you've got a a COMPLETE UKNOWN in cousins and COMPLETELY HORRIBLE player in grossman.

You know you have good depth when you starter leaves Thr game and you don't miss a beat. We've experienced that with WR and, to a lesser degree, LB. If you want to say QB is our deepest position, then explain to me how you k ow the drop off from griffin to cousins to grossman is less significant than the drop off from garçon to Robinson to hankerson.