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[quote=Chico23231;977054]yeah, and a whiny one too.


Goat you buying into the Shanaplan?[/quote]

More likely that Goat buys the Brooklyn Bridge than the Shanaplan lol.

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[quote=Chico23231;977054]yeah, and a whiny one too.


Goat you buying into the Shanaplan?[/quote]

What's the plan? Does Kyle take over the team in two years and do we know whether he's a leader of men or just an offensive guru (like Norv, for instance)?

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[quote=That Guy;976970]lol. shannahan missed twice on QB's and once on haynesworth, which really hurt his credibility here.

the hard work on fixing the locker room and getting younger is starting to pay off, and this draft class (including forbath and minnifield) has been ridiculous. we need a #1 corner and maybe another safety (or meriweather and jackson to stay healthy/not suspended) and the D should be good again. we have a lot of starters on IR, and the pass rush poofed when they left.

that said, there's no alberts or donovans in the locker room acting like 6 year olds. everyone seems to be showing up and saying the right things... there's been no crazy spurrier/zorn/cerato type stories in years, so the mis-management and stupid drama may finally be gone.

hell, even haslett looks like he kept his job. he just needed to show people how to tackle, and to tell williams to play deeper.[/quote]

On the subject of the quarterbacks, his options were not particularly good and short of a huge reach in the draft or a bad signing like Matt Flynn, we were kinda doomed.

2010 the only quarterback not named Sam Bradford was jimmy clausen who was as we saw terrible.

I believe that had Jake Locker fallen to us at 10 last year we would have taken him and he would have been good for us but not great. He would be in the tier of players that include stafford, cutler,
Rivers, etc but never truly elite.

Thus by passing on the temptation of just getting the quarterback you think you need in the draft, we took Trent Williams and Ryan Kerrigan. Not bad at all...

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;977056]More likely that Goat buys the Brooklyn Bridge than the Shanaplan lol.[/quote]

I believe Goat would spontaneously burst into flames if he uttered the words "I believe Shanahan will lead the team to future success."

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[quote=CrazyCowboy80;977023]I think we've done better than you in the past five to seven years, and we're on the verge of a playoff berth and NFC East championship, so I'd say just fine.

Seriously, how can y'all hate on Jerry Jones when you're stuck with Dan "Official Mattress of Six Flags" Snyder? Jerry cares about the team and about winning, Chainsaw Dan is just in it for the cash.[/quote]

Bahahaha -- I've been hard on the Redskins but anyone who thinks that the Cowboys are in a better place or that Jerry Jones is a good owner is delusional to the point of insanity

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Following up, anybody else think we are going to light up the Cowboys in the final game? I don't know why but I have a feeling RG3 is going to put up a 5 TD game, 400 total yards sort of game

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[quote=rbanerjee23;977069]Following up, anybody else think we are going to light up the Cowboys in the final game? I don't know why but I have a feeling RG3 is going to put up a 5 TD game, 400 total yards sort of game[/quote]

Given how he seems to love the big stage I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls out a gem of a performance.

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let's shovel some more dirt on the eagles grave, first. but yes, i smell a bloodbath in week 17

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I'm not convinced we don 't start Cousins again Sunday and keep RGIII activated. If Cousins is doing his thing then we get another week of rest for Bob otherwise switch it up and let Robert finish it.

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Remember this is a meaningless game to them other than the fact they can ruin our season and we're a division rival. They have nothing to lose...I expect them to be pretty chippy.

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[quote=FRPLG;977077]I'm not convinced we don 't start Cousins again Sunday and keep RGIII activated. If Cousins is doing his thing then we get another week of rest for Bob otherwise switch it up and let Robert finish it.[/quote]

I think Griffin will be back starting on Sunday...got a bad feeling Montgomery may be done though

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Wouldn't be surprised if Cousins played. I do expect to see RG against Dallas though.

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[quote=FRPLG;977081]Remember this is a meaningless game to them other than the fact they can ruin our season and we're a division rival. They have nothing to lose...I expect them to be pretty chippy.[/quote]

Andy Reid's last home game...will that mean anything to the Eagles?

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[quote=SmootSmack;977084]I think Griffin will be back starting on Sunday...got a bad feeling Montgomery may be done though[/quote]

Whats Shanny saying at the presser about Monty? Any news?

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[quote=SmootSmack;977084]I think Griffin will be back starting on Sunday...[B]got a bad feeling Montgomery may be done though[/B][/quote]i didn't even notice this during the game. who came in the game when he left?

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Ah this sucks if montys out for the season. I saw it happen live. My first thought was that he tore it. Then I saw him get up. So then I was just like he's a little banged up, but should be fine, then I hear he seriously hurt his MCL, today Shanahan said he sprained it, and he'll evaluate it on wednesday.

The great thing that we have is flexibility. Lichtensteiger, Chester, Gettis, Hurt and most importantly, LeRebieus (who was drafted to succeed Monty for the future). So hopefully our OL stays solid and we don't skip a beat. Eagles are a good team to put a new center against.

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[quote=los panda;977088]i didn't even notice this during the game. who came in the game when he left?[/quote]

KL moved to center, Hurt was at LG, Black at RT

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[quote=Mattyk;977110]KL moved to center, Hurt was at LG, Black at RT[/quote]ah, i noticed black come in when that happened. maybe i was a too many few coronas deep when monty was injured, when did it happen?

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Dan "Official Mattress of Six Flags" Snyder


I like that. that's good.

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I've been all in since he got here.

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One guy who has played admirably when he's been called into action is Maurice Hurt. Haven't seen him this year, but he was so soft coming into the league (athletically). I wonder how much better he can get if he keeps lifting and getting lean.

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Yes, the Shanaplan is working. Patience is paying off and I couldn't be happier.

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I voted no because I wanted to be the Lone Wolf in my fight against the establishment. In this case, the Lone Goat is a better description.

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I would be All In Hook, Line and Sinker.......[B]except Mike is:[/B]
Too old, burnt out. Need a younger guy that can connect with the players...
Never that good...Only success came in a weak division.....
Can't do shit without a HOF QB...nothing without Elway...
Can't do shit without a HOF RB...nothing without Terrel Davis....
His system can't work in the New NFL.....
That college shit won't work...Defenses will figure it out....

AND his kid is shit and couldn't get a job without ......daddy.
I would have more in reply to the topic here but the MF'r is..
.......Holding me back! HTTR

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I'll buy in when we become a playoff team. Until then hes just another coach.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;977263]I'll buy in when we become a playoff team. Until then hes just another coach.[/quote]

Wow, you'll buy into the plan (that's the question) when it comes to fruition...

Brilliant. We need more inspired insight from you...

-- sarcasm meter off --

[QUOTE=Hog1;977262]I would be All In Hook, Line and Sinker.......[B]except Mike is:[/B]
Too old, burnt out. Need a younger guy that can connect with the players...
Never that good...Only success came in a weak division.....
Can't do shit without a HOF QB...nothing without Elway...
Can't do shit without a HOF RB...nothing without Terrel Davis....
His system can't work in the New NFL.....
That college shit won't work...Defenses will figure it out....

AND his kid is shit and couldn't get a job without ......daddy.
I would have more in reply to the topic here but the MF'r is..
.......Holding me back! HTTR[/QUOTE]

Strong post.

I've bought into the 2012 Redskins. I'm not going to pretend that I had some great faith that the season wasn't over at 3-6. I had assumed it was. Mike Shanahan and co have changed my mind on the direction of the season. I believe they are going to finish as NFC East champs.

Long term, I mean its Griffin's show here. Sunday was cool and all, but long term it's going to be difficult to sustain that offense without more of a burden on the quarterback. I think he can handle it. I'm not sure he isn't the MVP of the league this year.

[QUOTE=Paintrain;976974]I consider myself an early adopter of the Shanaplan. I said many times in this past offseason that my evaluation of him began in earnest this year because of the horrible roster he inherited and the stunted offseasons in 2010 and 2011 due to the labor situation. I willingly ignored the 'he's got a worse record than Zorn' and 'why did (fill in the team here) get better so quickly and we still suck' crowds with a view on the bigger picture.

Not gonna lie, around Halloween, things didn't look good. However, I've been very impressed with the team's performance in the past 6 weeks and think that we have an extremely bright future ahead of us with lots of talented young players and depth.

I think we're in middle of Phase 2 of the Shanaplan.. Phase One-Purge the old roster. Phase 2-Build a younger roster around a young franchise QB. Phase Three-Develop a sustainable winning program to pass down to Kyle. I anticipate a 3 year extension for Shanny this offseason and an extension for Kyle which includes a succession clause.[/QUOTE]

It's worth pointing out that he inherited an awful roster (from himself) this past offseason and still managed to stage something of a turnaround to the point where we made a worst to fighting for first move in the standings behind a main acquisition (Griffin), a surprise emergence (Morris), and a bit of internal development (Trent, Monty). So the idea that he needed all this time...I mean look at the top performers during this winning streak. That didn't take very long at all.

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I have bought into the Shanaplan. The last 2 yrs I said MS needed to get players to work in his system. The first yr the team could only run cause McNabb was horrid at throwing. The second yr the team threw more cause the OL were not creating holes for the RB's. In the past 10-15 yrs this team could not break 20 pts a game. This yr we have a run game and a passing game and they are breaking 20 pts almost every game.

Offense= Fixed. for he most part.

Defense is another story. I still feel there's got to be someone better then Haslett out there. But the players have stepped up big in the last few games.

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[quote=GTripp0012;977300]It's worth pointing out that he inherited an awful roster (from himself) this past offseason and still managed to stage something of a turnaround to the point where we made a worst to fighting for first move in the standings behind a main acquisition (Griffin), a surprise emergence (Morris), and a bit of internal development (Trent, Monty). So the idea that he needed all this time...I mean look at the top performers during this winning streak. That didn't take very long at all.[/quote]
Stunning what a full and proper offseason can do for a rebuild.

I've noticed you've positioned yourself quite well on both sides of the Shanahan argument. On one side you were against him from jump, point out all of his missteps as proof you were right.

On the other hand, you said in the Should Shanahan Be Canonized thread, "[I]We always had the talent for 9-10 wins this year. It looked real dismal at 3-6, but it turns out the team was underachieving at that point. They've overachieved the last five games. And the end result is now a two-game season against Philadelphia and Dallas to determine the NFC East. We're right where we're supposed to be.[/I] so if we win the NFC East then it's 'well that's what they should have done' so no actual credit is deserved. Well played but kinda talk radio-ish for me.

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[quote=Paintrain;977325]Stunning what a full and proper offseason can do for a rebuild.

I've noticed you've positioned yourself quite well on both sides of the Shanahan argument. On one side you were against him from jump, point out all of his missteps as proof you were right.

On the other hand, you said in the Should Shanahan Be Canonized thread, "[I]We always had the talent for 9-10 wins this year. It looked real dismal at 3-6, but it turns out the team was underachieving at that point. They've overachieved the last five games. And the end result is now a two-game season against Philadelphia and Dallas to determine the NFC East. We're right where we're supposed to be.[/I] so if we win the NFC East then it's 'well that's what they should have done' so no actual credit is deserved. Well played but kinda talk radio-ish for me.[/quote]Read closer. Before Griffin vs. after Griffin. It's two different analyses of two different timeframes, not two different arguments straddling the same topic.

There's no reason that with Griffin, the team shouldn't be in the 9-10 win range. But before he was acquired, the team just wasn't very good.

How quickly the Redskins have got this thing going in the right direction says a lot about the five year plan. I know some people are going to see this as an iceberg effect, which, I mean sure, I guess. But the preponderance of evidence suggests as recently as midseason, the Redskins hadn't figured out anything re: being on the right track. In the last five weeks, they've done very little wrong at all. And they're on pace to sustain it.

Contrary to the belief that everything was planned all along, including the losing, this turnaround has been as sudden and unpredictable as it has been enjoyable. Almost out of nowhere, the Redskins started doing smart things, and they are starting to pull away from the mediocre competition they struggled with previously.

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[quote=GTripp0012;977300]It's worth pointing out that he inherited an awful roster (from himself) this past offseason and still managed to stage something of a turnaround to the point where we made a worst to fighting for first move in the standings behind a main acquisition (Griffin), a surprise emergence (Morris), and a bit of internal development (Trent, Monty). So the idea that he needed all this time...I mean look at the top performers during this winning streak. That didn't take very long at all.[/quote]

See, its posts like this that has me shaking my head. One of the reasons that I have said patience is whats needed. It didnt take long at all...

There is one MASSIVE inherent problem with that ideology on the grand scale of things though. It leads people to draft QB's like Gabbert or Sanchez!!! And then wait... and wait... and wait... for them to break through. And then teams sign WR's at a high cost out of panic to help out even though they might not fit your system.

Shanny messed up with McNabb, but after year one, he did look to build the main part of the team through the draft. He also deserves credit for passing on Gabbert, when most fans wanted him. Even Dalton, who looks to be good, but I still dont expect him to win SB's unless Cincy puts together a great defense. He waited for that stud QB to be available and went all in for him. Draft Gabbert, and its 3 more years of losing before we cut ties. Then the QB search begins again.

It didnt take long at all once he had a couple of drafts to get some youth, and then identified that guy at QB, and signed the WR's then. And dont hand me that Garcon isnt valuable because of the almost unheard of thing of getting injured in the NFL.

There is a right way and a wrong way to build a team. We finally have something resembling of it being done the right way, and your attitude is all it takes is one draft to win SB's... Which leads me to why posts like these make me shake my head. Because you have no clue about building a team and yet I wasted my time not only reading your post, but also responding to it.

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Its really arrogant to hold yourself up as the model for "the right way" to build a team while winning 40% of your games, but we're quickly getting away from the point.

It's going to take a long run of consistent, good play to balance out those first two years, and it's not something you can turn around in a five week period of the regular season. Those who say otherwise are jumping to conclusions. But it's been a really good start.

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Coaching, in every aspect no less, has improved pretty markedly. Offensively, we saw the number of busted plays go from 5+ to 1 or 2 per game to 0 or 1 per game. That's pretty dramatic IMO. Defensively, we stopped minimizing our talent. London is staying in the middle more and getting zone time on pass plays. Rob Jackson is developing. Guys are swarming with intensity.

But I don't think we've been outperforming our talent over these last 5 games. I think execution has improved nominally. Passes are still dropped, carries still fumbled, sacks given up. The real story of improvement has been coaching, on both sides of the ball. Kyle's play-calling and Haslett's scheming are the big ones, but we're even getting the little things right all the sudden. Paul wasn't targeted once last game, right?

The real question is whether the improvement continues, or is this just a run? Short of sniffing the SB this season, we probably won't know what this is till next season. Are we gonna be 11-5, or back to 6-10? I'm not talented enough to say "I know" but there are good arguments on both sides of the debate.

Yup. Winning the way we did without RG-3 cemented it for me. Even last week I was thinking that RG-3 was making jobs safe. Its reAlly early into the "renaissance" to be completely sold, but hell yes im buying in. I mean we drop one or two and find ourselves on the outside looking in? Than next year we are 2-3 to start the year? Oh boy.
Dont see that happening though.
Team looks like it is primed to be good for a long time to come. Wait until Rak, Carriker, BW, Davis, Helu, Neild, our cap space and our number one picks are back. In two years we will have all that and a more mature group of young guns. Wow. Shanny looks like he is enjoying himself out there and that is good.

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19-27 in his 3 seasons -- sorry, need a playoff win to buy in

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Looking at Locker and Sanchez last night, aren't you guys glad we didn't end up with either of those? ......better yet, imagine us with Gabbert.


We need to thank Mike nightly as we dodged bullets like Neo.

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[quote=NC_Skins;977349]Looking at Locker and Sanchez last night, aren't you guys glad we didn't end up with either of those? ......better yet, imagine us with Gabbert.


We need to thank Mike nightly as we dodged bullets like Neo.[/quote]

I thought the samething last night. Put Ponder on that list an unimpressed as well. RG3 has been head and tails above them.

A guy who I was not high on who has kinda surprised me and think he has a better future than the 4 above is Tannehill. I think for a completely offensive talentless team outside of the average Reggie Bush, he's done decent. He needs serious help at every skill position.

I think Locker needs to stay healthy in order to give him a fair chance, but the ability to on the field is part of the evaluation. He cant take a hit to save his life. He is very overrated scrambler with the ball.

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[quote=GTripp0012;977331]Its really arrogant to hold yourself up as the model for "the right way" to build a team while winning 40% of your games, but we're quickly getting away from the point.

It's going to take a long run of consistent, good play to balance out those first two years, and it's not something you can turn around in a five week period of the regular season. Those who say otherwise are jumping to conclusions. But it's been a really good start.[/quote]

Your hypothesis is rooted in the assumption that your evaluation of the last two years is correct. Perhaps the winning ways simply took a few new players and a little chemistry to finally come together.