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[quote=JoeRedskin;1009219]His first two years were nothing to write home about (29 and 30 receptions). In his third he really came into his own (83 rec. and never less than that again). [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WhitRo00.htm"]Roddy White NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL]

LH went from 19 to 38 receptions in his first two years. Not sure I see him being an 80+ WR in the coming year. Hope I am wrong.

If he does and we could go 4 wide with Garcon, Morgan, Moss, Hank and Davis at TE ... their won't be enough footballs to go around.[/quote]


I don't see him hitting 80 catches either. But, 60-65 seems very attainable for him. 700-800 yards is attainable as well.

Garcon
Hankerson
Davis
Reed
Morgan

I think those will be our pass catchers for the future.

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Not sure who people think are going to seriously challenge guys like Hankerson or Robinson for a roster spot this year.

Outside of maybe Briscoe I think our WR group is pretty set.

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I'm shocked to hear people suggesting Robinson will be pushed for a roster spot this year. He and Garcon are the only two guys on the roster who can truly stretch a defense. You want a 2nd speed guy in the receiving corps because when you put him and Garcon on the field together the defense has no choice but to back both safeties off a bit, which opens up the slot and the TE down the seam.

If you have only Garcon on the field, you're still a threat to go deep which is good, but a team can roll one safety to him while the other closes down.

There are situations where Robinson gives a major strategic advantage, like 2nd and 2 from the 50. Without a guy like Robinson, you render part of RG3's value (his strong arm) a little bit more moot.

Briscoe is the WR from last year's roster who is most likely to be pushed for a spot - but I doubt anyone beats him out either.

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Yeah we will see, I hope both can contribute. I certainly dont think either (Robinson, Briscoe) are roster locks. I think Briscoe is overall the better receiver of the 2. As to who pushes them, well one of the 6(including Lance) udfa we've brought in. Not saying these guys are ready to step on the field, but they've been brought in to obviously for the competition.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/05/16/redskins-sign-seventh-round-rb-jawan-jamison/]Redskins sign seventh-round RB Jawan Jamison[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1009238]Yeah we will see, I hope both can contribute. I certainly dont think either (Robinson, Briscoe) are roster locks. I think Briscoe is overall the better receiver of the 2. As to who pushes them, well one of the 6(including Lance) udfa we've brought in. Not saying these guys are ready to step on the field, [B]but they've been brought in to obviously for the competition[/B].[/quote]

I think they're camp bodies more than anything. Maybe one will surprise but I can't imagine any big changes to our current group.

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The only way Robinson gets pushed is if his speed can be challenged. Lance Lewis is a 4.5 guy, slower than Robinson, and some scouting reports say he played slower than that.

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[quote=Schneed10;1009252]The only way Robinson gets pushed is if his speed can be challenged. Lance Lewis is a 4.5 guy, slower than Robinson, and some scouting reports say he played slower than that.[/quote]

well there is no arguing Robinson's great speed and teams having to respect that, but I think Shanny is focusing on an inside slot guy behind santana. Moss is done after this year, and I think that is where the add would be. It possibly could be Briscoe and Robinson fighting for one spot.

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Aldrick Robinson can run routes and has decent hands. Moss is just a savvy veteran who can't be outdone.

Seems like some fans expect to have everyone on the roster to have "create-a-player" attributes. No Superbowl (or snub) team in the history of the game has had pro-bowl-esque players at every position! Hank doesn't need to catch every ball, Robinson doesn't need to be able to run the entire route tree like AJ Green, and Lewis ;) doesn't need to have sub 4.4 speed in order for us to win it all -- this year. Just take a good look at SB winners of yesteryear; they weren't without flawed players and flawed plays. In my opinion, this Skins team is right on track to putting together a champion.

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[quote=RGIII;1009258]Aldrick Robinson can run routes and has decent hands. Moss is just a savvy veteran who can't be outdone.

Seems like some fans expect to have everyone on the roster to have "create-a-player" attributes. No Superbowl (or snub) team in the history of the game has had pro-bowl-esque players at every position! Hank doesn't need to catch every ball, Robinson doesn't need to be able to run the entire route tree like AJ Green, and Lewis ;) doesn't need to have sub 4.4 speed in order for us to win it all -- this year. Just take a good look at SB winners of yesteryear; they weren't without flawed players and flawed plays. In my opinion, this Skins team is right on track to putting together a champion.[/quote]

I agree with this overall sentiment, even if I see it as a little overly optimistic. In the end the team is looking for players that give it a strategic advantage in various situations.

Examples:

- The RG3 and Morris combination on zone-reads give an advantage on almost any down, but especially those when the defensive end would be in pass-rush mode

- The change of pace back netted through the Chris Thompson pick forces defenses to respect his speed to bounce

- The speed of Aldrick Robinson and Pierre Garcon forces teams to respect RG3's deep ball

- The resigning of flawed but athletic offensive linemen like Lichtensteiger continues to allow the zone block system to flourish. Ideally our linemen would be quick as cats and able to withstand a bull rush from N Suh, but come on. RG3's mobility mitigates that weakness somewhat.

In a time when we're constrained by the cap penalty we can't have it all. But we can do well with this roster.

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[quote=Schneed10;1009261]I agree with this overall sentiment, even if I see it as a little overly optimistic. In the end the team is looking for players that give it a strategic advantage in various situations.

Examples:

- The RG3 and Morris combination on zone-reads give an advantage on almost any down, but especially those when the defensive end would be in pass-rush mode

- The change of pace back netted through the Chris Thompson pick forces defenses to respect his speed to bounce

- The speed of Aldrick Robinson and Pierre Garcon forces teams to respect RG3's deep ball

- The resigning of flawed but athletic offensive linemen like Lichtensteiger continues to allow the zone block system to flourish. Ideally our linemen would be quick as cats and able to withstand a bull rush from N Suh, but come on. RG3's mobility mitigates that weakness somewhat.

In a time when we're constrained by the cap penalty we can't have it all. But we can do well with this roster.[/quote]
Great points, and just adding because I love our offensive combinations

Davis/Reed/Moss force defenses who are already dealing with Alfmo/Garcon to shore up the middle of the field

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What is nice is that, unlike two-four years ago ("The Gaffney/Stallworth/Armstrong Years), it is not a one man show (Moss) at the WR position. It is not quite a WR by committee approach but it is close. Our third and fourth WR's would likely be serviceable WR2's on most teams.

Across the board, ShanAllen are increasing the quality depth on this team. It's a good thing.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/05/16/redskins-sign-seventh-round-rb-jawan-jamison/]Redskins sign seventh-round RB Jawan Jamison[/url]

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I dunno, i think people are over rating our WRs due to griffin and the run game we've got going. garcon is legit. everyone else is take it or leave it, but i don't see any legit #2s on most teams here. LH? moss? maybe a couple years ago. we have a #1.5 WR in garcon and a bunch of #3's. depth is good, but I wouldn't be surprised if we signed another good WR next year.

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[quote=That Guy;1009295]I dunno, i think people are over rating our WRs due to griffin and the run game we've got going. garcon is legit. everyone else is take it or leave it, but i don't see any legit #2s on most teams here. LH? moss? maybe a couple years ago. we have a #1.5 WR in garcon and a bunch of #3's. depth is good, but I wouldn't be surprised if we signed another good WR next year.[/quote]

Well I for one don't think we have a legit #2, so I don't feel like I'm overrating them. However, I don't think we need a legit #2. We were what, the 4th best offense last year? We did that behind the most bad ass rushing attack in the NFL.

Again, you can win with warts. You do what you do and you do it well. You run Morris and RG3 on the zone read, and you have enough speed and depth at WR and TE to make teams pay for cheating up to stop your running game. You can have the 4th best offense in the league, even with Tyler Polumbus as your RT.

You just pray RG3 is healthy enough to do it. :)

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[quote=That Guy;1009295]I dunno, i think people are over rating our WRs due to griffin and the run game we've got going. garcon is legit. everyone else is take it or leave it, but i don't see any legit #2s on most teams here. LH? moss? maybe a couple years ago. we have a #1.5 WR in garcon and a bunch of #3's. depth is good, but I wouldn't be surprised if we signed another good WR next year.[/quote]

Whatever man.

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[quote=RGIII;1009306]Whatever man.[/quote]

Yeah, great point. Im sure when discussing the receiving corp of the greatest franchise in the history of sports, Bruce and Shanny just say whatever man and shrug their shoulders. enlightening

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We had 3 guys last year over 40 catches and Hankerson was right there with 38. Garcon and Morgan should both be healthier this year and we're getting Davis back and Reed has been added to the mix. Not sure what the squabbling is all about really. We've got some playmakers.

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[quote=Mattyk;1009312]We had 3 guys last year over 40 catches and Hankerson was right there with 38. Garcon and Morgan should both be healthier this year and we're getting Davis back and Reed has been added to the mix. Not sure what the squabbling is all about really. We've got some playmakers.[/quote]

no squabbling, just trying to convince RGIII I expect probowlers at every WR position. :oink:

Just convo on if last couple spots could be challenged. Our staters and core guys will be fine.

offseason

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Random thought:

You ever noticed how Shanahan will say about 80-90% of the time after the draft that they had a player pegged to go a few rounds earlier. You think he's saying that just because he wants the fans to feel better about a player or that he actually did have a player pegged to go a few rounds earlier?

Heres one example. He said after we drafted Jawan Jamison that he had a 4th round grade on him. Well why didn't shanahan draft him in say the 5th round? or even the 6th? Sure we didn't need him, but Shanahan said he likes to go for best available (or is it best available of need?)

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Whats the title of this thread?

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"Talk about anything Redskins related so long as it isn't on topic"

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I would like to talk about a growth near my armpit.
I named it "Eli Manning".

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Redskins sign fourth-round safety Phillip Thomas!

Per washington post..

The Washington Redskins announced Friday afternoon that they have signed safety Phillip Thomas to his rookie contract, making him the fifth of seven draft picks to ink deals this week.
Drafted 119th overall out of Fresno State, Thomas is expected to compete for a starting job in Washington’s secondary.
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/05/17/redskins-sign-fourth-round-safety-phillip-thomas/]Redskins sign fourth-round safety Phillip Thomas[/url]

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Amerson Signed
[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/talk/redskins-sign-top-pick-amerson]Redskins sign top pick Amerson | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url][/URL]

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Hail Yeah! Let's get this show on the road (to Richmond).

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We re just waiting on Jordan Reed. He's out in LA for some rookie thing.

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^ I can't wait to see what Jordan Reed brings to the Redskins offense. Since he compares to Aaron Hernandez, you know he's going to be good.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1009496]^ I can't wait to see what Jordan Reed brings to the Redskins offense. Since he compares to Aaron Hernandez, you know he's going to be good.[/quote]

I think he'll be better than Hernandez. I'm with you though, he should be great in this offense. Its usually the guy people are talking least about that ends up being great. Since we're all talking about the secondary guys the most, it'll be Reed that we're all going to say "That may be our best pick of the draft."

Also being that he's a former QB, I believe that at least once we will see him line up in the backfield along side RG3 and he'll throw the ball, almost like what Sanu did against us first play of the game like last year with AJ Green.

But yeah I expect Reed to sign today or tomorrow since he's still out in LA for the Rookie card shooting.

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Our secondary is going to be nasty. Amerson, Thomas, and Rambo. Meriweather coming back will only be an added plus. Then we have E.J. Biggers playing the outside on 3rd downs. D. Hall and J. Wilson will again be the starters. The only one out of this group that concerns me is Wilson. He gambles for the interception and like he did against Dallas and Cincinatti, it went for long gains for a touchdown.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1009507]Our secondary is going to be nasty. Amerson, Thomas, and Rambo. Meriweather coming back will only be an added plus. Then we have E.J. Biggers playing the outside on 3rd downs. D. Hall and J. Wilson will again be the starters. [B]The only one out of this group that concerns me is Wilson. He gambles for the interception and like he did against Dallas and Cincinatti, it went for long gains for a touchdown.[/B][/quote]

That doesn't happen to Wilson as much as it does to Hall.. As for our secondary being nasty - they DO have the potential to become nasty but the question, will they get to that point, is still there. I think it will take a couple of years or so for that to happen.

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All picks are now signed

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/05/24/jordan-reed-signs/]Third-round tight end Jordan Reed signs his contract[/url]

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I wonder how much money we have remaining now. Perhaps enough to sign Eric Winston?

(I'm going to continue to beat that drum until he is a Redskin, or I stop carrying/remembering)

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according to overthecap.com, not including Reed, we were at 1.2 Million in cap space.

Also, there are 5 teams that have over 18Million in cap space, so had nearly any other team been hit like we were they would have been doing a whole lot of cut/restructures. I don't think you can give enough Good Jobs to this front office for keeping the team together and for the excitement for this season that I feel as a fan.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1010027]according to overthecap.com, not including Reed, we were at 1.2 Million in cap space.

Also, there are 5 teams that have over 18Million in cap space, so had nearly any other team been hit like we were they would have been doing a whole lot of cut/restructures. I don't think you can give enough Good Jobs to this front office for keeping the team together and for the excitement for this season that I feel as a fan.[/quote]

I agree. This front office has thrown together an immensely impressive offseason given the circumstances. We came out significantly better than the cowboys and their cap hit was nowhere near the severity of ours. The Skins FO really should be thrilled with themselves.

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[quote=mbedner3420;1010025]I wonder how much money we have remaining now. Perhaps enough to sign Eric Winston?

(I'm going to continue to beat that drum until he is a Redskin, or I stop carrying/remembering)[/quote]

Eric Winston did not want to be here in the first place and was cut from a team that desperately needs o-line help. I would find another drum to beat if I were you.