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[quote=CultBrennan59;1012594]If you read through my previous post, you'll see that I say that Morris isn't most likely never going to be as good or even close to as good as portis was at blocking and catching.

And you are right about Portis not having a QB. But the injuries and his career length don't help his case and for me are a major reason he was overrated ([B]as well as the money he was being paid)[/B].[/quote]

As well as trading Champ Bailey (who is a hall of famer and the best corner until Revis came along) and a draft pick... I still can't believe the redskins traded the best corner in the NFL at the time for the 3rd or 4th best running back at the time, and that ranking is generous.

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LOL. There's no hope. What's the world coming to?

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[quote=donofriose;1012597]As well as trading Champ Bailey (who is a hall of famer and the best corner until Revis came along) and a draft pick... I still can't believe the redskins traded the best corner in the NFL at the time for the 3rd or 4th best running back at the time, and that ranking is generous.[/quote]

Champ wanted out and wasn't coming back to DC. Skins hands were kinda tied in that regard.

Portis was coming off back to back 1500+ yard seasons and 29 TDs in Denver. He was definitely one of the top backs in the league at that time.

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[quote=Gmanc711;1012578]I really think the definition of over-rated and under-rated isn't really defined all that well in general.

[B]When I think of over-rated I think of someone that everyone loves who isn't that good... and under-rated as a guy someone nobody talks about.[/B]

I don't think a guy like D. Hall could be considered over-rated, because everyone is all over him already anyways.[/quote]

I think in terms of your definitions in when it comes to rating current players.

I don't get much enjoyment out of the all-time part of this game because it's way too skewed in favor of more recent players. Many of those who responded were not yet born when the Over-the-Hill Gang played, some may not have been born in time to witness Gibbs I, and the only guy who saw Sammy Baugh play can't remember seeing him.

I considered naming DHall as both most overrated [U]and[/U] most underrated because, as Matty pointed out, there just doesn't seem to be any middle ground when it comes to fans' opinions of him.

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[quote=donofriose;1012597]As well as trading Champ Bailey (who is a hall of famer and the best corner until Revis came along) and a draft pick... I still can't believe the redskins traded the best corner in the NFL at the time for the 3rd or 4th best running back at the time, and that ranking is generous.[/quote]

Yeah, I mentioned that on the first page. As some people mentioned, Champ Bailey has nothing to do with Portis being overrated. Thats true, but its one of those things you can't NOT mention considering what we had and what we were left with.

Its just like RG3 and Luck, both guys careers are going to be linked even over things they have no control over (drafted). Ditto for Lavernus Coles and Santana Moss (traded).

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[quote=Mattyk;1012600]Champ wanted out and wasn't coming back to DC. Skins hands were kinda tied in that regard.

Portis was coming off back to back 1500+ yard seasons and 29 TDs in Denver. He was definitely one of the top backs in the league at that time.[/quote]

He wanted a new contract and the Redskins refused to give him one, and he did not want to be franchised if I remember correctly. That was basically why he got traded.

There were still a couple of running backs better than Portis at the time. Still quite a few running backs that were better at the time, also remember he also came from the Shanahan system which produces running backs like crazy.

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[quote=donofriose;1012603]He wanted a new contract and the Redskins refused to give him one, and he did not want to be franchised if I remember correctly. That was basically why he got traded.

There were still a couple of running backs better than Portis at the time. [B]Still quite a few running backs that were better at the time,[/B] also remember he also came from the Shanahan system which produces running backs like crazy.[/quote]

Really? Please name "quite a few" backs who were coming off of back-to-back 1,500 yard seasons at the time of the Bailey-Portis trade.

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Most underrated: I'm going to say Will Montgomery. He did a heckuva job last year without getting noticed too much, although he did have a few bad snaps.

Most overrated: I'm going to say Orakpo, simply because most say he's pretty good, but he hasn't really played enough to show it. So I'll take a page out of CB59's book and adopt a prove-me-wrong mentality.

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[quote=donofriose;1012603]He wanted a new contract and the Redskins refused to give him one, and he did not want to be franchised if I remember correctly. That was basically why he got traded.

There were still a couple of running backs better than Portis at the time. Still quite a few running backs that were better at the time, also remember he also came from the Shanahan system which produces running backs like crazy.[/quote]

Nah, it was more along the lines of personal reasons that he needed to get out of town.

As for quite a few backs being better than him... how many guys put up the numbers that he did over that 2 year span??

In the end I think both teams got what they wanted out of the deal.

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[quote=donofriose;1012603]He wanted a new contract and the Redskins refused to give him one, and he did not want to be franchised if I remember correctly. That was basically why he got traded.

[B]There were still a couple of running backs better than Portis at the time. Still quite a few running backs that were better at the time[/B], also remember he also came from the Shanahan system which produces running backs like crazy.[/quote]

Explain, please? Am I missing something here?

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[quote=Mattyk;1012611]Nah, it was more along the lines of personal reasons that he needed to get out of town.[/quote]

The lyrics to Atomic Dog by George Clinton cover it nicely.

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[quote=Mattyk;1012611]Nah, it was more along the lines of personal reasons that he needed to get out of town.

As for quite a few backs being better than him... how many guys put up the numbers that he did over that 2 year span??

In the end I think both teams got what they wanted out of the deal.[/quote]

Absolutely, both teams got what they wanted and if memory serves not many fans had a problem with the deal either.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1012615]The lyrics to Atomic Dog by George Clinton cover it nicely.[/quote]

lol pretty much

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Current Underrated - Chris Chester & Josh Wilson

Current Overrated - Leonard Hankerson

All-time Underrated - Ricky Sanders

All-time Overrated - Lavar Arrington

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underrated - lichensteiger, montgomery bc both had very low profiles and expectations coming in and i think both have been very servicable to the zbs.

i leave chester out bc i think when he came over from the ravens he has lived up to but not exceeded expectation of being a decent to good guard. plus he gets a decent salary. i think he is rated just right.

overrated - i take hall off the list since he has a new and fair market value contract. i actually think if hall takes this offseason's disinterest in any team wanting to sign him as a sign he needs to re-eval his approach, i think he can quickly become a shutdown cb. im amazed at how this offseason has played out w regards to hall.

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I chose Chester because no one really remembers him but he's been our most reliable o-lineman since he came here. I believe it was the 2011 season, he was only starter to go all 16 games if I remember right, and he did a good job.

Montgomery was a great choice. A Center who doesn't draw attention is one who is doing a great job. Remember Rabach's constant TD and drive-killing penalties? He also couldn't snap in shotgun formation...gave Campbell an even tougher job. Since Montgomery took over...no issues.

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Other than silverback, chester is our best lineman, bar none.

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[quote=donofriose;1012603][B]He wanted a new contract and the Redskins refused to give him one, and he did not want to be franchised if I remember correctly. That was basically why he got traded.
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There were still a couple of running backs better than Portis at the time. Still quite a few running backs that were better at the time, also remember he also came from the Shanahan system which produces running backs like crazy.[/quote]

Spoken like someone who doesn't know the whole story.

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Underrated - Our whole offensive line. Mostly Montgomery.

Overrated - Roster/Helu

All Time.

Underrated - Ken Harvey

Overrated - Doug Williams

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[quote=Bucket;1012966]Underrated - Our whole offensive line. Mostly Montgomery.

[B]Overrated - Roster[/B]/Helu

All Time.

Underrated - Ken Harvey

Overrated - Doug Williams[/quote]

The whole roster? Damn, we're screwed! :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;1012976]The whole roster? Damn, we're screwed! :)[/quote]

I think he meant Oysters in general. They just don't taste that good. ;)

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Overrated- besides our own fanbase nobody overrates our players. so im leaving it blank.

Underated- Fletch at his age, Alfred Morris rookie season i still feel like was so overshadowed by RG3s and isnt getting the recognition league-wide and thru other fan bases, DHall, SANTANA MOSS at his age.

theres no way Garcons overrated IMO.. or Kerrigan.. thats just crazy.

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Underrated , Fletcher , Kory L. , D. Young . Underrated all time , Monte Coleman , C. Gouveia , Bostic ,R. Mckenzie and D. Warren .

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Darrel Young is a pretty important contributor, for a fullback.

Is this like, a question of contract overvalued, fan overvalued, or overvalued by coaches/announcers? Because you'd get a lot of different answers.

The player who is most overvalued from a contract perspective is London Fletcher, but the team is very clear that the main reason he's getting paid a disproportionate amount of the salary cap is because you can't ask the emotional leader to take a pay cut. You either uphold your end of the contract to him, or you release him. Fletcher is not overrated on the field though because I think people (coaches and fans) realize that he's aging and that you have to take the bad with the good. And his good is still very, very good.

So I'll go with Stephen Bowen as most overrated, not because he's a bad player, but because the Redskins signed him as a $4.5 mil/year interior lineman and the return has been mixed. Quality starters are quality starters, and I don't want to make it seem like the Redskins would be better without him. They wouldn't. He's an important piece of the defense. But he's a bit out of position as a two-gapping end, and tends to be much better as a defensive tackle in our forty fronts. There's some monetary value to positional versatility, but he usually gets engulfed by bigger tackles when he plays on the edge.

That's not his fault, he's just doing what he's being paid and coached to do, but it does make him a bit overrated in my assessment.

As far as being underrated, the first name that popped to my mind is Leonard Hankerson, because I don't think people realize how difficult it is to come into the NFL ready to beat coverages and Hankerson is pretty natural as a route runner. He did have a big drop in a playoff game, but I don't think a dropped pass is necessarily any worse than any other kind of incompletion. He's a lot better than people believe.

But after thinking a bit longer, the answer is easy: Brian Orakpo is the most underrated Redskin, and it's not close. He's basically had similar production to Clay Matthews through his first three seasons, and there's no reason that his career wouldn't be as good as Matthews going forward. He does have something to prove this year, which is why the Redskins are waiting around on the contract extension, but I think he's going to be a lot more expensive to sign because we're waiting than he would be if they just extended him now.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1012535]Current over rated: Merriweather. He has played one game for us and been cut by two teams. Until the draft, most here seem to assume he would be a difference maker in the defensive backfield. Maybe, but let's see him stay on the field for more than a game.[/quote]A really good one for overrated by the fans. Meriweather has been just a guy, and one with questionable discipline throughout his career. Our fans are judging him by one half he played, despite missing 33 of 34 halves that we paid him for last year.

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current overrated: orakpo and kerrigan both

current underrated: bowen

all-time "the warpath" overrated: nehemiah broughton and anthony mix