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[QUOTE=Bucket;1033517]Sounds like football isnt for you. That is pretty much every team in the NFL in every week[/QUOTE]

Every team in the nfl falls behind early every week? Thats not possible on so many levels.


Were living in yesterdays tomorrows.

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[quote=punch it in;1033519]Every team in the nfl falls behind early every week? Thats not possible on so many levels.


Were living in yesterdays tomorrows.[/quote]

My mistake.. The way you numbered your issues was like a multiple choice of the options. Which basically happens to every NFL team during the season.

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[QUOTE=Bucket;1033521]My mistake.. The way you numbered your issues was like a multiple choice of the options. Which basically happens to every NFL team during the season.[/QUOTE]

Lol. No thats a breakdown of every skins game, pretty much this year. I get let down twice every week.
Edit: it does show some sort of fight in the fact that we dont just give up, but i really hope we come out guns a blazing this week and that for once all three phases show up for the same damn game!

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[quote=firstdown;1033377]I say we kick the bears ass and have our best game in all 3 phases this week.[/quote]


Yeah, I've been waiting for that too.

But unfortunately...

It's another notch in the [SIZE=7]L[/SIZE] column.


I can't honestly predict a win until I see some significant and sustained improvement on the field.

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[quote=Green Monk Machine;1033489]I think if we continue to script plays for Rob to be running, we won't have him ever healthy and to be so bone headed that means we will also have Kyle as the OC. If we ever want to build a winning franchise, than we need to have a system for Rob to mature and be a real QB that drops back and throws to our overpaid targets. If he runs, it better be b/c everyone is covered. We'd be doing us a disservice by enabling the demise of his career. Unless all you want is hype and subway style marketing commercials. Me, I'd rather have a f'kn championship team that doesn't need gimmicks to win. At least look like the sport that originated as lining up man to man and the great slinging Sammy which evolved this sport further by passing. Want QB option? Than tune into smarter nfl teams or NCAA. It has no future to benefit from in DC, really MD, but mostly VA.[/quote]

Now he's Rob?

:doh:



We need to let him run. He did it to perfection last game, big games and ended the runs safely.

WHY does everyone ignore or forget that he was NOT hurt on any designed runs last year?

If we don't use his legs, we would have been better off drafting Tannehill. We brought him in to run and win. The two cannot be separated, at least until he develops into a pure pocket passer. He can do it, but we'd be wasting his abilities and talent.

Besides, I don't think we could stop him from running if we wanted to. ROBERT is too competitive to sit back in the pocket and ignore opportunities to make plays for his team.

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I think Griff has his best game of the season so far, I really do.

I think he will have 2 td passes and 1 Td run
300 yards passing No Ints

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[quote=Monkeydad;1033566]Now he's Rob?

:doh:



We need to let him run. He did it to perfection last game, big games and ended the runs safely.

WHY does everyone ignore or forget that he was NOT hurt on any designed runs last year?

If we don't use his legs, [B]we would have been better off drafting Tannehill[/B]. We brought him in to run and win. The two cannot be separated, at least until he develops into a pure pocket passer. He can do it, but we'd be wasting his abilities and talent.

Besides, I don't think we could stop him from running if we wanted to. ROBERT is too competitive to sit back in the pocket and ignore opportunities to make plays for his team.[/quote]

That might not have been a bad idea, drafting him and keeping those picks. But that's another story/thread. I agree...right now, he needs to have designed runs and worry about him trying to be Peyton during the offseason. This offense needs to run the ball simply because that's what we do best. If we get 60 plays I would like to see 40 of them runs. Bears do not have a good run defense.

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What about Tannehill's game so far says "he's better than RG3"? Ive seen really nothing Tannehill is better at than RG3. I really dont think its close.

Tannehill is on this team last year I guarentee we woulda been double digit losses and not much better this year.

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RG3 is better than Luck , Wilson and Tannehill .

wait another 3 years and ask this same Q and everyone will be on Griffs jock

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[quote=Chico23231;1033570]What about Tannehill's game so far says "he's better than RG3"? Ive seen really nothing Tannehill is better at than RG3. I really dont think its close.

Tannehill is on this team last year I guarentee we woulda been double digit losses and not much better this year.[/quote]

I never said he was better. And I agree we probably don't make a playoff run if Tannehill is our QB. In the long run for the next 10-12 years? We'll see.

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[quote=Chico23231;1033570]What about Tannehill's game so far says "he's better than RG3"? Ive seen really nothing Tannehill is better at than RG3. I really dont think its close.

Tannehill is on this team last year I guarentee we woulda been double digit losses and not much better this year.[/quote]

Exactly.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1033572]RG3 is better than Luck , Wilson and Tannehill .

wait another 3 years and ask this same Q and everyone will be on Griffs jock[/quote]

Boom goes the dynamite!!

I would go as far to say asK it based on the last ten games of this season. The kid is close.

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One thing ill say about tannehill which I don't get is how is a former WR who plays QB have awful ball security, especially when he takes off to run?

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Tannehill is nothing special, he will never be a "franchise QB" imo. He's below Griff, Luck ,Wilson and Keap imo. Maybe even lower than Cam

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1033572]RG3 is better than Luck , Wilson and Tannehill .

wait another 3 years and ask this same Q and everyone will be on Griffs jock[/quote]

There is no way, right now...that you can say he's better than Wilson and Luck. Our offense stinks and can't score points. Not all, but part of that's on the QB not being able to make enough plays to score points. Wilson is no where near perfect, but he's doing enough to give his team a chance to win. Luck is just a better QB, end of discussion. He's asked to do more in the passing game, his throwing mechanics are better, he's better in the pocket, he gets off his 1st wr....he's just so far more advanced and polished than RG3 is. Part of it is he had no offseason to improve and those guys did. 2014 is a big off season for RG3.

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[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;1033578]Boom goes the dynamite!!

I would go as far to say asK it based on the last ten games of this season. [B]The kid is close.[/[/B]QUOTE]

Based off of what? All those inaccurate throws last week??? Looks like he's getting his legs back though...

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[quote=skinsfan69;1033585][QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;1033578]Boom goes the dynamite!!

I would go as far to say asK it based on the last ten games of this season. [B]The kid is close.[/[/B]QUOTE]

Based off of what? All those inaccurate throws last week??? Looks like he's getting his legs back though...[/quote]

Hopefully his arm and torso are adjusting to getting the legs back to 100% and that's both the reason his throws were off and why they'll improve going forward.

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which aggie will have the better NFL career, Johnny Manziel or Tannehill?

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[quote=Chico23231;1033587]which aggie will have the better NFL career, Johnny Manziel or Tannehill?[/quote]

Tannehill...hands down. I think he's close to being a real good QB. Manziel is a great college player but I just see how his game translates to the NFL. Plus what's he going to act like once he gets cash in his pocket and no one babysitting him?

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[quote=Chico23231;1033587]which aggie will have the better NFL career, Johnny Manziel or Tannehill?[/quote]

Johnny football. He can make big plays and has a capable enough arm. He'll get bashed for his arm and height like Russell Wilson was, then shut people up.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1033592]Johnny football. He can make big plays and has a capable enough arm. He'll get bashed for his arm and height like Russell Wilson was, then shut people up.[/quote]

Some people still poo-pooing Wilson, which tells me they're not actually watching Seahawks games. Kid is special and definitely a leader. Ridiculous accurate on the long ball too.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1033566]Now he's Rob?

:doh:



We need to let him run. He did it to perfection last game, big games and ended the runs safely.

WHY does everyone ignore or forget that he was NOT hurt on any designed runs last year?

If we don't use his legs, we would have been better off drafting Tannehill. We brought him in to run and win. The two cannot be separated, at least until he develops into a pure pocket passer. He can do it, but we'd be wasting his abilities and talent.

Besides, I don't think we could stop him from running if we wanted to. ROBERT is too competitive to sit back in the pocket and ignore opportunities to make plays for his team.[/quote]

I dont think anyones forgetting he didnt get hurt on a designed run,but he still got hurt running with the ball so whats the difference?

You want to talk about forgetting things,everyone screaming for him to run seems to [SIZE="3"]be forgetting he's wearing a knee brace because he's had 2 major surgeries on the same knee in 4 years[/SIZE]

If the opportunity is there to take off and run and get a big play thats fine.I think what some of us are trying to say is we dont want him running because his 1 receiver he's locked on too is covered and he takes off instead of progressing thru his reads.[SIZE="3"]I'm afraid he's going to turn out like Vince Young instead of Steve Young[/SIZE]

Maybe he's not progressing thru his reads because the offensive line is not giving him enough time,I dont know.I guess only him and his coaches know for sure

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1033572]RG3 is better than Luck , Wilson and Tannehill .

wait another 3 years and ask this same Q and everyone will be on Griffs jock[/quote]

Right now theres no way Griffin is better than Luck.If you polled all the coaches and gms in the league I guarantee they would all pick Luck over RG3.
Now if the poll was taken last yr pre injury,RG3 would get some votes.
We can only hope that RG3 can turn into the kind of passer Luck is

Oh and I would absolutely be thrilled to death if 3 years from now you can throw this post in my face and say I told you so

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I am going to go out on a limb -- Skins win big. I think Chicago is overrated. They are 4-2, but the 4Ws come against Minnesota (who is a terrible team, and they won by 1 point), the Steelers (another terrible team, won by 8), the Giants (worse than us and won by only 6), and Cincinnati (a decent team, and they won by only a FG). The two losses -- to the Saints by 8 and to the Lions by 8 (we played the Lions closer, by the way) -- are not shameful, but for the Bears to be considered a very good team, rather than a middle-of-the-road team which I believe them to be, they have to win one of those games.

So we're playing better (or D has been solid two games in a row, and our offense has improved from the first two weeks, although there's room for a lot more improvement), and the Bears are just OK.

I say Redskins 36, Bears 17.

Hail, baby.

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[quote=The Goat;1033586][quote=skinsfan69;1033585]

Hopefully his arm and torso are adjusting to getting the legs back to 100% and that's both the reason his throws were off and why they'll improve going forward.[/quote]

Goat that hits it on the head, he is getting close to putting everything back together with his game. Once he does we will be fine. And yes I believe he is close even based off of the Dallas game.

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[quote=The Goat;1033586][quote=skinsfan69;1033585]

Hopefully his arm and torso are adjusting to getting the legs back to 100% and that's both the reason his throws were off and why they'll improve going forward.[/quote]

Goat that hits it on the head, he is getting close to putting everything back together with his game. Once he does we will be fine. And yes I believe he is close even based off of the Dallas game.

Take away that AWFUL performance from our ST unit then who know who wins that game.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1033611][quote=The Goat;1033586]

Goat that hits it on the head, he is getting close to putting everything back together with his game. Once he does we will be fine. And yes I believe he is close even based off of the Dallas game.

[B]Take away that AWFUL performance from our ST unit then who know who wins that game[/B].[/quote]

I think we would have won that game, to be honest. The rolled up 31 points on us with a measly 216 yeards. I wouldn't be surprised if that was one of the best points:yards ratios ever. At 16 points:433 yards, we probably had one of the worst ones in recent memory. Any game where you hold an opponent to 216 total yards is a game you ought to win. Dallas literally had one decent drive the whole game -- the first one, and that accounted for more than 1/3 of their yards. But for the ST failings, I suspect we would have pressed a bit less and made fewer other mistakes. If you more than double an opponent's total yards, you will win 9 time out of 10.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/10/16/niles-paul-says-coaching-change-a-factor-in-redskins-special-teams-issues/]Niles Paul says coaching change a factor in Redskins’ special teams issues [UPDATED][/url]

Looks like the special teams players are gently criticizing the special teams coach.

For some reason, I feel like the whole, "Well.. This system is different" coy, subtle technique players are saying is really masking a, "this system f'ing blows" ulterior sentiment.

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By the way, as shown by the attached stats, Fred Davis, Niles Paul, and Aldrick Robinson have been, in effect, entirely uninvolved in our offense so far this year (yes, I know Paul serves as a receiver, and maybe Jordan Reed has already supplanted Davis entirely). But the lack of production is startling.

[url=http://www.redskins.com/team/statistics.html]Redskins.com | Statistics[/url]'

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[quote=calia;1033667]By the way, as shown by the attached stats, Fred Davis, Niles Paul, and Aldrick Robinson have been, in effect, entirely uninvolved in our offense so far this year (yes, I know Paul serves as a receiver, and maybe Jordan Reed has already supplanted Davis entirely). But the lack of production is startling.

[url=http://www.redskins.com/team/statistics.html]Redskins.com | Statistics[/url]'[/quote]

I just don't understand why this coaching staff can't get Davis on the field in 2 TE sets. He can help the offense score yet they leave him on the bench.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1033673]I just don't understand why this coaching staff can't get Davis on the field in 2 TE sets. He can help the offense score yet they leave him on the bench.[/quote]

Davis has basically fell to 3rd on the depth chart. During the Cowboys game, Reed had about 55 snaps, Paulsen had 20 and Davis had 18. I think the Redskins are over Davis and he's probably over them.

Paul isn't involved because he's 4th string and basically solely a special teams player.

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[quote=htownskinfan;1033608]Right now theres no way Griffin is better than Luck.If you polled all the coaches and gms in the league I guarantee they would all pick Luck over RG3.
Now if the poll was taken last yr pre injury,RG3 would get some votes.
We can only hope that RG3 can turn into the kind of passer Luck is

Oh and I would absolutely be thrilled to death if 3 years from now you can throw this post in my face and say I told you so[/quote]

Last year it was Griffin.

This year its Luck.

Next year will be a better understanding of who is better of the two (or if its Wilson haha)

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1033675]Davis has basically fell to 3rd on the depth chart. During the Cowboys game, Reed had about 55 snaps, Paulsen had 20 and Davis had 18. I think the Redskins are over Davis and he's probably over them.

Paul isn't involved because he's 4th string and basically solely a special teams player.[/quote]

What makes it extra disappointing is Davis showed so much promise and he's in a contract year, so you'd like to think he'd be playing lights out if given the opportunity. Gotta be some interpersonal issues at work there.

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[quote=The Goat;1033690]What makes it extra disappointing is Davis showed so much promise and he's in a contract year, so you'd like to think he'd be playing lights out if given the opportunity. Gotta be some interpersonal issues at work there.[/quote]

You are like the Dick Tracy of the Redskins.. Always something in the works lol.

Maybe

Just maybe...

The Achilles isnt what it use to be and Jordan Reed is just better?

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It's not like Davis has always been the most motivated of players.

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True to both things but Davis gotta be an idiot for slacking in a contract year, he could have been looking at 8 digits.

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[quote=The Goat;1033694]True to both things but Davis gotta[B] be an idiot[/B] for slacking in a contract year, he could have been looking at 8 digits.[/quote]

You're talking about the guy who got caught smoking pot several times?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1033673]I just don't understand why this coaching staff can't get Davis on the field in 2 TE sets. He can help the offense score yet they leave him on the bench.[/quote]

Well, try to understand these things, as well:

1. Why wouldn't this coaching staff stay with the no-huddle offense against a depleted Cowboys DL when it was working well and wearing down the Dallas defensive linemen?

2. Why can't the this coaching staff manage the clock?

3. Why can't the Redskins Special Teams do anything right?

4. Why would a HC leave a seriously injured Franchise QB in a game until that QB suffers a catastrophic knee injury?

5. Why did the Redskins defense give up 500 yards of offense in three consecutive games?

6. Why is the OC so hands-on in coaching the QB's and WR's rather than leaving it to the position coaches?

7. Etc., etc., etc.

Possible answer: This coaching staff sucks?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1033707]Well, try to understand these things, as well:

1. Why wouldn't this coaching staff stay with the no-huddle offense against a depleted Cowboys DL when it was working well and wearing down the Dallas defensive linemen?

2. Why can't the this coaching staff manage the clock?

3. Why can't the Redskins Special Teams do anything right?

4. Why would a HC leave a seriously injured Franchise QB in a game until that QB suffers a catastrophic knee injury?

5. Why did the Redskins defense give up 500 yards of offense in three consecutive games?

6. Why is the OC so hands-on in coaching the QB's and WR's rather than leaving it to the position coaches?

7. Etc., etc., etc.[/quote]

1. Yup, I am with you on that.

2. Still hanging with you.

3. Yup, still looking good.

4. Oops, you just took a wrong turn into rehashed opinionated stupidville.

5. I dunno ... just like your list, it's all just opinion, but perhaps ... (a) b/c they were strapped with an offseason penalty that left unable to do anything but try to keep as many of the pieces of an NFC East Division winning team together as they could; (b) their star QB was still shaking off the rust and was not as far along as had been hoped causing the offense to sputter and forcing the defense coming back onto the field; (c) b/c the offensive players were performing at a sub-par level and turning the ball over to high powered offenses; (d) the offenses we faced were really good; or (e) the players on the field were missing more tackles than any other team in the league and led the league in allowing yards after contact (i.e. they were put in places to succeed, but failed to do so).

6. First - you know [I]for a fact[/I] that (a) this is going on; and (b) the position coaches oppose it and believe it to be detrimental to the players and the actual in-game happenings? Cite me the quote/link please.

Even if KS is more "hands on" for certain aspects of the offense he supervises, maybe, just maybe, the OC thinks the position coaches under him need better supervision and assistance and is giving it to them in the same way any supervisor would assist their mid-level managers in hopes of locating problems and improving the final product? BUT NO ... You're right. Despite merely (what I suspect to be) vague rumors of "over involvement" in the work of his direct reports, the [I]only[/I] possible conclusion is that KS is an intrusive, interfering micromanager who ignores his primary job.

7. It's all the coaches fault, it's all the coaches fault, it's all the coaches fault.

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1033707]Possible answer: This coaching staff sucks?[/quote]

Clearly, the only rational conclusion is that they can and never have done anything right. :doh:

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...........Moved to MD from Denver?