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[quote=Coff;1042709]Wait, are you saying that Bruce Allen is in jeopardy of losing his job?[/quote]

Nope, not at all. I've been talking about Allen's future for a while here haven't I?

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SmootSmack,

I understand the natural progression for the General Manager position would be to elevate the Director of Pro Personnel. Do you have any opinions on Morocco Brown? Why you think this would or would not be a good move for the 'skins?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1042719]Nope, not at all. I've been talking about Allen's future for a while here haven't I?[/quote]

They would just bump him to a different title right? Team President or some other BS.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1042670]Do you think he'll be ready in 2014?[/quote]

That's why he is 4 on my list

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[quote=SmootSmack;1042719]Nope, not at all. I've been talking about Allen's future for a while here haven't I?[/quote]

To answer your question, I don't know. I disabled the option on my iPhone to alert me every time SmootSmack makes a post.

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Willing to give shanny the last year of his contract to try and turn this around, and work with finally having a little cap room, but if it takes more than 5 years to overhaul an NFL roster the coach isn't good enough. Voted Roman for HC but getting Art Briles at OC would be my #1 priority. Would help griffin to have him but I'm not sure he's ready to be an nfl head coach

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[quote=cdskins26;1042734]Willing to give shanny the last year of his contract to try and turn this around, and work with finally having a little cap room, but if it takes more than 5 years to overhaul an NFL roster the coach isn't good enough. Voted Roman for HC but getting Art Briles at OC would be my #1 priority. Would help griffin to have him but I'm not sure he's ready to be an nfl head coach[/quote]

Thing is, Im pretty sure Briles not taking a OC job from a HC position where he's excelling. The move would be for a HC job.

Roman not looking too hot this year.Not at all

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Seems to me, I have read some of the same complaints about G. Roman this year as many are making about K. Shanahan.

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[quote=Coff;1042731]To answer your question, I don't know. I disabled the option on my iPhone to alert me every time SmootSmack makes a post.[/quote]

Why'd you do that?

Most believe he will become Team President, handle a lot of the business stuff, not least of which getting a new stadium.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1042738]Seems to me, I have read some of the same complaints about G. Roman this year as many are making about K. Shanahan.[/quote]

When your QB is sophmore slumping, the seat can get a little hot

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[quote=skinsguy;1042725]SmootSmack,

I understand the natural progression for the General Manager position would be to elevate the Director of Pro Personnel. Do you have any opinions on Morocco Brown? Why you think this would or would not be a good move for the 'skins?[/quote]

Honestly I don't know. He seems good and highly regarded, but I really don't know how good he truly would be.

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in Roman's defense CK is not what many ppl (JAWS) thought he was

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Mike Shanahan.

Let Kyle walk, and Jim.

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David Shaw is a one trick pony...his offensive play calling is unimaginative and when you couple that with an atrocious defense you have a disaster. You bring in David Shaw and watch us give up the most pts and score the least pts in NFL history.

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[quote=Chico23231;1042736][B]Thing is, Im pretty sure Briles not taking a OC job from a HC position where he's excelling. The move would be for a HC job.[/B]

Roman not looking too hot this year.Not at all[/quote]

Been wondering about this for a long time actually. Seems like the assumption is a college HC automatically gets a pro HC gig, but I don't see the logic. It's a huge step and whole new world in pro football. Going from college HC to pro OC/DC seems more reasonable to me.

SmootSmack, what's your take on the college to pro transition?

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[quote=Bucket;1042747]Mike Shanahan.

Let Kyle walk, and Jim.[/quote]

The question is: Will Dan Snyder demand that Mike Shanahan make sweeping coaching changes in order to stay on as HC for another season without a contract extension?

If so, Mike might just refuse to do so and then it would be over for Mike.

Surely, if the team continues to lose, Kyle Shanahan will see the writing on the wall and, seeing it, he might be inclined to make it easy on his father by finding a graceful way to move on.

The current situation with the Skins is why I've never endorsed the idea of father and son coaching on the same NFL team. It messes with their personal/family relationship.

At a minimum, Haslett, the dude who coaches ST, the QB coach, and the WR coach need to go.

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[quote=Bucket;1042747]Mike Shanahan.

Let Kyle walk, and Jim.[/quote]

I think the assumption is Mike (control freak) won't allow this to happen. Everything has to be on his terms, period. And while he may show Haslett the door he'll still want the final say on the new DC and our scheme, which has proven to be a fucking disaster under Mike as it was for so long in Denver.

But the bigger issue is Kyle, and unless Kyle gets a great gig somewhere else Mike won't send him packing. Do you honestly believe Kyle will land that gig? I can't imagine it. Not at all. His play-calling has been abysmal save for a brief stint last season when the RO had defenses on their heels. Defenses are now verbalizing how easy Kyle is to predict, but frankly any two-bit football fan (me, for example) has seen this for years. Kyle doesn't deserve to be in pro football, though with the legacy name and connections he'll likely get OC gigs, albeit in crap markets/teams, for years to come.

The bottom line is Mike's decisions have held this team back one way or another. His choice to blow up the defense and start over with a DC who doesn't know the 3-4. His choice to let Kyle build the offensive scheme. How do you punish other people for Mike's decisions and expect the team to follow him?

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I voted for Shanahan. Mainly because I want to give him the opportunity to have a full offseason with RG3 and a return from cap purg. Not that I don't see the risks involved though.

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I know it wont happen, but this thread is about what I WANT to happen.

Sadly, it wont.

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Thanks SS for starting this up and putting the poll in there.

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[quote=The Goat;1042771]Thanks SS for starting this up and [B]putting the poll in there[/B].[/quote]

lol...what does Michael Scott say?

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Anyone BUT Shanahan and his cronies, relations etc.

The man has won one playoff game in soon to be fifteen seasons of coaching. That sucks, but people still talk about him like he won his two SBs last year.

Some are assuming he'll make some good FA moves, sign people, etc with all this money the Redskins are allegedly going to spend to buy a champion. But people forget other teams will have money too, and they don't have the legacy of utter dysfunction that this team does now. Oh they might come here since the Redskins also are well known for throwing millions at any shiny toy Danny wants...but I bet most want to go somewhere more reliable and that isn't in turmoil.

Besides...will new players stop the rash of all the usual Shanahan hallmarks? Teams being unprepared. Players racking up tons of killer stupid penalties, especially the personal fouls, unsportsmanlikes, etc. Poor clock management. Awful game plans. Lack of adjustments. Will 18 mil of new players fix all that? Will it fix the fact that this franchise for years has been more about marketing jerseys than winning games? Will it make Shanahan and Griffin less arrogant and full of themselves? Will it get Griffin off the social media for five minutes?

New players might help but only if there is a total regime change. Shanahan's day has passed him by and the results prove that.

Blow it up. Not that it will make much difference. The Redskins are so easy to predict. Wash, rinse, repeat, it's been the same for 20 years.

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Skip this post.

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[quote=Chico23231;1042772]lol...what does Michael Scott say?[/quote]

Indeed.

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Art Briles won't take anything less than an HC job to leave Baylor. Most big time college coaches won't

Mike Shanahan has earned the right to choose who is on his staff

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[quote=SmootSmack;1042834]Art Briles won't take anything less than an HC job to leave Baylor. Most big time college coaches won't

Mike Shanahan has earned the right to choose who is on his staff[/quote]

Given the state of the team Mike has produced I think the owner/mgmt have equally earned the right to strip Mike of basically any and all powers they see fit. This is a coach who hasn't put a competitive team together in roughly a decade.

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I voted Art Briles, SBXVII, raises some good points. I just think the guy has an amazing life's story, overcame a tremendous amount of adversity at a young age. Also, since he was RGIII's college coach, there should be good chemistry one would hope.

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[quote=The Goat;1042836]Given the state of the team Mike has produced I think the owner/mgmt have equally earned the right to strip Mike of basically any and all powers they see fit. This is a coach who hasn't put a competitive team together in roughly a decade.[/quote]

So a vinny/Snyder police state ala zorn is what we want? No. And did you watch last year? Haven't seen the board like this in awhile the last couple days.

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I dont see Phade Willips on the list. Hmm. And no love for Lovie. Geesh tough crowd.

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[quote=The Goat;1042836]Given the state of the team Mike has produced I think the owner/mgmt have equally earned the right to strip Mike of basically any and all powers they see fit. This is a coach who hasn't put a competitive team together in roughly a decade.[/quote]

First of all, I think what Snyder and Vinny did to Zorn was wrong. I also think that Zorn should have resigned rather than accept it.

Secondly, I think there is no way in this world that Dan Snyder could get away with doing that sort of thing to Mike Shanahan. I can't imagine Mike putting up with it, and he shouldn't. It is better to be fired than to lose your self-respect.

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So far, same answer as last season. Mike Shanahan.

Wish Mike would let Haslett go, though.

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MS allow him to spend all that $$$.

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Iv seen this movie before. Spend a $hit load of money on a bunch of wash ups have a terrible season coach gets fired and we start all over. Hopefully BA doesn't let that happen.

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The following are excerpts from Thomas Boswell's column in today's [I]Washington Post[/I]. In Boswell's opinion, the primary issue to consider in the decision to keep Mike Shanahan or let him go is not his management of the offense or his relationship with and development of RGIII. It is his record in managing the other parts of the team, primarily the defense.

[B]Do you agree?[/B]

Boswell writes:

"How good is Mike Shanahan? Not how good does he think he is. How good really?

Not just as an offensive theorist, but as builder of all parts of a team, since that’s his job description. How good is he at picking coaches for all three units, then, as de facto general manager, guiding selection of every player? As he says, 'You are your record.'

Mike Shanahan has overseen franchise’s worst defense in 50 years, which counts for something.

Here’s the appetizer. In his fourth year, Shanahan has built the worst Washington defense in 50 seasons. This defense is so awful that if it slashed the number of points it allows by 40 percent in its past six games, it would still be the worst in D.C. since ’64.

In his past six seasons, two in Denver and now four in D.C., Shanahan has been the architect of defenses that look like a bridge collapse. Whether you keep him, and for how long, or fire him, depends on whether you think he can fix this problem.

Since 1954, only two Washington teams have been so bad on defense that they allowed 400 points — 412 and 421 under Norv Turner . This year’s Redskins may give up 500 points. That’s f-i-v-e h-u-n-d-r-e-d. After 10 games, they’re on pace for 498.

Because Shanahan makes every important decision, he’s responsible for every important result. In his years, Washington has ranked 20th, 22nd, 22nd and now 30th in points allowed . That’s an average ranking of 24th in a 32-team league. That’s the worst defensive standing, relative to the whole league, in the reign of any Redskins coach since Otto Graham in the ’60s.

The Redskins are currently giving up 31.1 points per game. Only one Washington team in history has been worse — it was in 1954 . In the past 50 years, the worst mark was 26.3 points. Yes, offense is up a tad in the NFL this year to 23.4 points per game versus 21.3 for the past 20 years. But even with that adjustment, the Redskins are awful in absolute terms, and also relative to the league as a whole.

In 20 years of NFL coaching, Shanahan has only had one top five defense. A half-dozen of his Denver defenses were good. He hasn’t always been bad. But for his entire career, his average rank in points allowed has been 16th — middle of the league.

It’s the trend of his past half-dozen teams, especially this one, that’s most worrisome. In Shanahan’s final two years in Denver, his Broncos ranked 28th and 30th in points allowed (409 and 448). In other words, his last two Broncos teams gave up more points than the two worst Redskins teams of the entire 16-game-season NFL era of the past 35 years.

What’s sunk this season, with their playoff odds now at 1.4 percent, has been awful defense, as well as atrocious special teams that are last or next-to-last in the NFL in kicking field goals or returning any ball that’s punted or kicked.

The Redskins allowed an average of 314 points in the three years before Shanahan arrived. That’s the baseline. Since he brought in Jim Haslett as coordinator and replaced a functional 4-3 defense with a generally inept 3-4, the number of points allowed, per full season, has skyrocketed to 398.

Nothing, except a franchise quarterback, means as much in the NFL as picking your coach. And nothing raises unexpected hell more than switching one. At least debate the issue along the right lines. With complete control, and without any major injuries this season, Shanahan has overseen the construction of the worst Washington defense in 50 years. That’s where you start.

That’s the 500-point elephant in the room."

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In spite of it all I want Shanny to finish out his contract and decide from there.

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KI- that is a damaging article about shanahan.
How do we want Snyder to not mettle in affairs, when shanasatan is statistically the worst coach ever?
No coach under Snyder has served their full contract. We go all in and give executive powers to 'satan and he hires his son who train wrecks with Rex, McNabb, beck, and Robert knee, and hires Haslett changing the defense and makes us the worst defense in history.

The writing is on the wall. Should have traded 3 1st to include Fisher.

This team is Chernobyl. It is forever Quarantined from priducing anything of value again

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[quote=chico23231;1042772]lol...what does michael scott say?[/quote]

twss

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Yep, Shanahan's great defenses. That was my main knock on him before the Redskins hired him and you can see he picked the wrong DC and nothing has changed or won't.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1042897]Yep, Shanahan's great defenses. [B]That was my main knock on him before the Redskins hired him[/B] and you can see he picked the wrong DC and nothing has changed or won't.[/quote]

Same here, his last years in Denver, he was going through D coordinators on a regular basis. Unlike many, I had no problem going from the 4-3 to 3-4, nor did I have any expectation the transition would be easy or "quick". It was a fundamental change which, had it worked, would have been fine by me. [I personally think the 3-4 the more flexible set and, therefore, better set - particulary as the game evolves into more of a passing era.]

Unfortunately, Haslett just hasn't gotten it done. Sure, back-end talent has been an issue but, sorry, the D hasn't executed and has schemed well. I hope going forward, we get a creative D coord who find ways to stop the medium and big gains and who gets his D off the field -- other than by allowing the other team to score.

I am grateful to Shanny for exorcising the ghost of Vinny, for working through the draft, for not giving up on younger players and creating the idea that "fairness/performance" govern who plays. (Although, recently, it seems this last has been given less emphassis).

Barring a 180 degree turnaround by the D and parts of the O, it is time to say good bye to Shanny before all the good he has done is undone by a descent into losing and defeatism.

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Think my preference is strong defensive minded HC, with an aggressive minded OC who will build RG3 as a greater pocket passer.