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Jordan Reed activated, lol

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[quote=Gmanc711;1048000]I will say this, I'm more excited to watch this game because Cousins is starting, hoping he does well and we can turn that into picks....

/picks up the Falcons defense for my fantasy playoffs.....[/quote]

Do any of you honestly think... that if Cousins comes in and plays like he did against Cleveland, that he's getting traded? That's simply not going to happen. What's going to happen is there's going to be a full blown QB controversy come training camp. In the end, as Redskin fans, don't we just want the best guy to play? If that's RG3, Cousins or Pat White, I just want the best guy out there. Some of you are too wrapped in your emotional investment with RG3. lol.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1048039]Do any of you honestly think... that if Cousins comes in and plays like he did against Cleveland, that he's getting traded? That's simply not going to happen. What's going to happen is there's going to be a full blown QB controversy come training camp. In the end, as Redskin fans, don't we just want the best guy to play? If that's RG3, Cousins or Pat White, I just want the best guy out there. Some of you are too wrapped in your emotional investment with RG3. lol.[/quote]

I watched until they took the game off. Kirk looked bad against KC worse than RG3. did you watch the game?

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1048039]Do any of you honestly think... that if Cousins comes in and plays like he did against Cleveland, that he's getting traded? That's simply not going to happen. What's going to happen is there's going to be a full blown QB controversy come training camp. In the end, as Redskin fans, don't we just want the best guy to play? If that's RG3, Cousins or Pat White, I just want the best guy out there. Some of you are too wrapped in your emotional investment with RG3. lol.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this , of.course I want the best to play

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I don't have any investment in either QB, I'm just done with this season as a whole. This latest fiasco only cements that.

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I expect more of the same from Cousins. Honestly he may have a decent game against ATL in the dome and against that bad defense. It will be interesting to see the kind of effort that the team gives him.

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[quote=SBXVII;1048009]Everyone naturally assumes starting Cousins is for two reasons

1- to keep RG3 healthy
2- to showcase Cousins for trade bait

But what if MS is trying to prove to DS that Cousins is better and can lead this team? If Cousins does well and the team wins.... do we keep MS for the final year, drop the read option, and start Cousins?[/quote]

Absolutely not. Not at this point. And anyway, if MS was trying to prove that particular point, he would have started Cousins at the beginning of the year and not after all of this. This is a big "f-you" from Shanahan to Snyder. This has nothing to do with protecting anybody.

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[B][SIZE="3"]@mikefreemanNFL

AFC coach: "Mike Shanahan may never get another head coaching job again. He's acting like a petulant child."[/SIZE][/B]

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1048033]Did you not see how Cousins looked wiht taht o-,ine on sunday. Sack fumble Kirk. I guess you don't watch the games. Look at the statements your making you are definitley not the type that actually watches the games.[/quote]

Um, no cause I bailed at half-time like some other fan here suggested everyone do. lol. So I was surprised to hear the next day that Cousins was put in.

However, it's a difficult situation to put a QB in throwing him in and expecting results when he has not game planned through the week. I know everyone is supposed to be ready at all times but the back up QB get very little reps.

Also maybe now the OL might look a little better, maybe, if they know where the QB is going to be and all they have to do is set up a pocket or push defenders beyond the pocket. RG3 kept leaving the pocket sometimes running right into the pressure.

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[quote=SBXVII;1048021]We fans really don't know the whole situation. The media and fan base has made this a 3 ring circus. and [B]what if MS wanted to do this a lot earlier and DS or Allen said no you will play RG3[/B]. with nothing to lose why wouldn't you bench the star, and start the back up you wanted all along anyway? If he shines you can say "see I told you so", but if he bombs... oh well you probably were going to get fired anyway.[/quote]

All reports points towards Snyder being almost 100% hands off, at least this season. I don't even think he has an office at Redskins Park anymore. I feel like Allen is less involved with the Skins than people think. I think he has input but Shanny has the final word.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1048045][B][SIZE="3"]@mikefreemanNFL

AFC coach: "Mike Shanahan may never get another head coaching job again. He's acting like a petulant child."[/SIZE][/B][/quote]

He doesn't care, he's making sure no one thinks that of Kyle

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[quote=NC_Skins;1048045][B][SIZE="3"]@mikefreemanNFL

AFC coach: "Mike Shanahan may never get another head coaching job again. He's acting like a petulant child."[/SIZE][/B][/quote]

With $35M in his pocket I don't think he cares. He's taking the hit for Kyle.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1048048]He doesn't care, he's making sure no one thinks that of Kyle[/quote]

What do you know of Kyle's actions in this situation, is this more of the family sticking together than the coach doing whats best for the team?

Also if Shanny thinks its a problem for RG III to have a relationship with his owner, then were is the other side of the coin being that KS is MS's son and may be looking out for him? That is a bigger managerial conflict of interest than the QB having dinner with DS.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1048048]He doesn't care, he's making sure no one thinks that of Kyle[/quote]


[quote=Mattyk;1048049]With $35M in his pocket I don't think he cares. He's taking the hit for Kyle.[/quote]

Does Kyle realize how much his father loves him? To pretty much destroy his reputation and career to save his son's future?

That and he gets a cool 7 million.

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[quote=skinsguy;1048044]Absolutely not. Not at this point. And anyway, if MS was trying to prove that particular point, he would have started Cousins at the beginning of the year and not after all of this. This is a big "f-you" from Shanahan to Snyder. This has nothing to do with protecting anybody.[/quote]

There was rumors at the beginning of the season that the reason RG3 was started was because the NFL wanted him starting ($$$) and it was Mon. night football.

Also I wouldn't have put it past RG3 to have been scared of losing his job as other rumors have surfaced and that he rushed back so he wouldn't lose it.

Yes it is a big F-U, but if pressure has been on to start RG3, now is the perfect time to start Cousins.

You as HC, your job is at stake, the field IS a mess so you have a valid excuse to start the back up that you think is better, so you make the call. One of two things will happen...1- you prove your right and get to stay the final year with back up QB or your fired like you were going to be anyway.

Lets look at the positives.... If nothing else Cousins is getting showcased to be traded AFTER Shanahan is gone. Why would he care? If I was the HC I'd keep playing RG3, keep embarrassing the owner and QB in order to get fired sooner. Plus with no game film Cousins is just another unproven QB. Nice back QB. Atleast if Cousins shines Snyder will have more of a difficult decision to make. Keep the HC and back up QB and leave RG3 benched? maybe trade RG3 to another team for some of our picks back?

I mean if MS is done with the "read option" then maybe its RG3 who's expendable to a team that runs the "read option" say.... the Eagles? Right now MS has 3 games to prove to DS that the option is not the way to go.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1048033]Did you not see how Cousins looked wiht taht o-,ine on sunday. Sack fumble Kirk. I guess you don't watch the games. Look at the statements your making you are definitley not the type that actually watches the games.[/quote]

Or you could watch RGIII. Hold the ball too long sack fumble. Run with the ball tackle fumble. Throw the ball up for grabs int. etc..........................................................................................

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1048050]What do you know of Kyle's actions in this situation, is this more of the family sticking together than the coach doing whats best for the team?

Also if Shanny thinks its a problem for RG III to have a relationship with his owner, then were is the other side of the coin being that KS is MS's son and may be looking out for him? That is a bigger managerial conflict of interest than the QB having dinner with DS.[/quote]

I said that you don't ever have a father son combo from day they hired them.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1048051]Does Kyle realize how much his father loves him? To pretty much destroy his reputation and career to save his son's future?

That and he gets a cool 7 million.[/quote]

Well, I understand Mike wanting to protect Kyle, since Kyle has a long future ahead of him. Mike has enough money to last him the rest of his life. He probably doesn't need to ever coach again anyway.

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[quote=SBXVII;1048013]We have Atlanta which was a playoff team last yr and not really terrible this year, Dallas, and the Giants left to play.

Again what if: Cousins plays well, looks good in a traditional West Coast Offense, and the team wins all 3 games? would that be good enough reason to keep MS one more yr, start Cousins next yr, and only bring someone new in at DC? Then between the draft and the $36 mill upgrade the OL, WR, and defense side of the ball?[/quote]

In the brief bit that I have seen Cousins this year and last year I do not think he has the big play ability that RG3 has shown from last year and to a much lesser extent this year. While a game manager type of QB can get you to the playoffs I don't think they have what it takes to succeed consistently in todays NFL. I have heard the professionals discuss Cousins quick release and comfort in the pocket and that certainly is a plus in his favor. On the other side I am concerned of some of the habits that RG3 has been developing this year like not stepping into throws. Yes he is young but he is getting to an age where habits become more challenging to break.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1048048]He doesn't care, he's making sure no one thinks that of Kyle[/quote]

Thats heartwarming. What a great fucking guy

So Griff is shutdown now for the rest of Shannys tenure here. Can we be assured these last three weeks is the rest of his tenure? He will not be back next year rite?

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[quote=firstdown;1048054]Or you could watch RGIII. Hold the ball too long sack fumble. Run with the ball tackle fumble. Throw the ball up for grabs int. etc..........................................................................................[/quote]

I'm speaking about the actual Kirk Cousins sack fumble not hypotehtical. but you probably didn't see Cousins playing sunday. you didn't watch the game.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1048040]I watched until they took the game off. Kirk looked bad against KC worse than RG3. did you watch the game?[/quote]

He threw some nice passes and he threw some bad ones. However, he's being put in a tough spot coming off the bench cold. I really wouldn't judge Rex, Kirk or RG3 coming in that type of situation. With a full week of practice and preparation with the first team offense, I'd expect him to play better. I would judge him after the Atlanta game.

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[quote=firstdown;1048054]Or you could watch RGIII. Hold the ball too long sack fumble. Run with the ball tackle fumble. Throw the ball up for grabs int. etc..........................................................................................[/quote]

RG3 definitely has ball security issues, but I've been saying for awhile now, I think part of the reason why he runs so much is because he doesn't trust his receivers to either get open or catch the ball. There's been times he's run even when his receivers were getting open. I'm not sure what it would take to fix that.

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I know I know, why would they use the option then if MS didn't think it was a viable scheme? Because they just drafted a mobile QB, one they discovered was having trouble with the play book (maybe just speculation). So the best thing to do is instead of forcing RG3 to play like he's not accustomed to then why not tweak the offense to be able to do what your QB can do? As an example I've heard media pundits complain that RG3's foot work is horrible, and they don't know why MS didn't work harder with RG3's footwork. It's because it takes time and some QB's never get it right. So they might have bailed on the footwork, bailed on RG3's throwing motion, and said lets just do what he does best which is the read option and QB option. <and it worked.

Then the second year was a disaster and the pro defenses have started catching up with the read option. You as HC have also learned that your prized QB has difficulty reading defenses. You'd rather start the back up but know it will cause waves in the organization especially after so many draft picks were given up to get him.

[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;1048063]RG3 definitely has ball security issues, but I've been saying for awhile now, I think part of the reason why he runs so much is because he doesn't trust his receivers to either get open or catch the ball. There's been times he's run even when his receivers were getting open. I'm not sure what it would take to fix that.[/QUOTE]

A full offseason with a real coach for starters. Another wr, and lets throw in a side of lineman.

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[quote=SBXVII;1048046]Um, no cause I bailed at half-time like some other fan here suggested everyone do. lol. So I was surprised to hear the next day that Cousins was put in.

However, it's a difficult situation to put a QB in throwing him in and expecting results when he has not game planned through the week. I know everyone is supposed to be ready at all times but the back up QB get very little reps.

Also maybe now the OL might look a little better, maybe, if they know where the QB is going to be and all they have to do is set up a pocket or push defenders beyond the pocket. RG3 kept leaving the pocket sometimes running right into the pressure.[/quote]

Let me fill you in. Polumbus let his man bull rush. Cousins fumbled and Ploumbus recoverd it. Cousins was trying to release the ball quicker but he was staring down receivers and almost threw several picks.

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[quote=firstdown;1048055]I said that you don't ever have a father son combo from day they hired them.[/quote]

Yea you kinda did.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1048067]Let me fill you in. Polumbus let his man bull rush. Cousins fumbled and Ploumbus recoverd it. Cousins was trying to release the ball quicker but he was staring down receivers and almost threw several picks.[/quote]

This. Cousins also held onto the ball for a long time on that fumble. Dude has the mechanics, (can throw a sharp accurate pass) but not the skill yet (tends to stare down receivers, not read zones well etc)

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1048057]In the brief bit that I have seen Cousins this year and last year I do not think he has the big play ability that RG3 has shown from last year and to a much lesser extent this year. While a game manager type of QB can get you to the playoffs I don't think they have what it takes to succeed consistently in todays NFL. I have heard the professionals discuss Cousins quick release and comfort in the pocket and that certainly is a plus in his favor. On the other side I am concerned of some of the habits that RG3 has been developing this year like not stepping into throws. Yes he is young but he is getting to an age where habits become more challenging to break.[/quote]

Also heard the same about "running QB's". Many of people here have said very few QB's like RG3, McNabb, etc. etc. do not do well and don't go very far because they are often injured. Some have said they would prefer a pocket passer.

Cousins might not seem to have the "IT" factor but maybe he manages the ball well and wins the games. Sounds like Eli Manning to me.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1048067]Let me fill you in. Polumbus let his man bull rush. Cousins fumbled and Ploumbus recoverd it. Cousins was trying to release the ball quicker but he was staring down receivers and almost threw several picks.[/quote]

Look I saw the play later on the news. No need to fill me in. I've said last year we need a bonified RT. How many times did RG3 fumble the ball in the pocket because Polumbus got beat? or Trent? or the whole center of the OL?

I get the OL is bad. But as Firstdown said it doesn't excuse the holding the ball too long, not stepping up into throws, throwing the ball up for grabs, over throwing your WR's, terrible foot work, etc. etc.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1048069]This. Cousins also held onto the ball for a long time on that fumble. Dude has the mechanics, (can throw a sharp accurate pass) but not the skill yet (tends to stare down receivers, not read zones well etc)[/quote]

Wait... your talking about RG3, right? LOL. I see all that with RG3. Their young QB's still learning. RG3's INT on Sunday was him staring down the WR the WHOLE time. The announcers even mentioned it. So RG3 is no saint either.

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Giant, Eagle and Cowboy fans at work always make fun of the Skins this year after each game saying how last year was just a fluke and we are doomed to failure...

This is such a train wreck, they have quit talking about the Redskins or football in general around me... That's how bad this Circus is... Fans from our hated rivals actually feel bad for me being a Skins fan, they have laid off this week...

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[quote=SBXVII;1048071]Look I saw the play later on the news. No need to fill me in. I've said last year we need a bonified RT. How many times did RG3 fumble the ball in the pocket because Polumbus got beat? or Trent? or the whole center of the OL?

I get the OL is bad. But as Firstdown said it doesn't excuse the holding the ball too long, not stepping up into throws, throwing the ball up for grabs, over throwing your WR's, terrible foot work, etc. etc.[/quote]

People are going to blame the knee brace for the foot work and the accuracy. I don't know much about throwing mechanics so I can't agree or disagree with that, just from what I've read in the past.

RG3 definitely needs to work on holding onto the ball, as he's in 2nd place behind Matt Stafford in terms of fumbles (11). While some of that is RG3's blame, the o-line shouldn't be letting him get nailed so much.

What sucks about Griff being inactive is now i feel obligated to watch KC just out of curiosity. Damn.

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Here is Cooley's comments regarding RG3 and the coaches.

[QUOTE]Former Redskins tight end Chris Cooley made an appearance on CBS Sports Radio and said that he believes that head coach Mike and Kyle Shanahan are not convinced that Robert Griffin III was the guy they wanted to draft.

“Over the last year and a half Mike and/or Kyle are of the belief that Robert (Griffin III) isn’t the guy they wanted,” said Cooley. “That it isn’t necessarily their pick and he isn’t developing the way they want him to develop. And it’s been very tough for them. And the same time, Robert is everything to the Washington Redskins.”

“I believe that it’s not necessarily just hat relationship, but it’s that ultimate belief that they’re not going to be able to win football games with their style of offense with this kid. And they’ve came to the conclusion that the best way is to cut ties as early as possible.”

If Shanahan is ready to move on from Griffin, then he clearly missed when he decided to draft him.

Cooley also went on to say that he believes Shanahan doesn’t think he’ll be able to grow with Griffin as his quarterback and that they’re on completely different pages[/QUOTE]

[url=http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/chris_cooley_believes_mike_shanahan_is_ready_to_cut_ties_with_rg3/15279239?linksrc=story_team_washington_redskins_auto_module_head_15279239]Chris Cooley believes Mike Shanahan is ready to cut ties with RG3[/url]

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[quote=SBXVII;1048053]There was rumors at the beginning of the season that the reason RG3 was started was because the NFL wanted him starting ($$$) and it was Mon. night football.

Also I wouldn't have put it past RG3 to have been scared of losing his job as other rumors have surfaced and that he rushed back so he wouldn't lose it.

Yes it is a big F-U, but if pressure has been on to start RG3, now is the perfect time to start Cousins.

You as HC, your job is at stake, the field IS a mess so you have a valid excuse to start the back up that you think is better, so you make the call. One of two things will happen...1- you prove your right and get to stay the final year with back up QB or your fired like you were going to be anyway.

Lets look at the positives.... If nothing else Cousins is getting showcased to be traded AFTER Shanahan is gone. Why would he care? If I was the HC I'd keep playing RG3, keep embarrassing the owner and QB in order to get fired sooner. Plus with no game film Cousins is just another unproven QB. Nice back QB. Atleast if Cousins shines Snyder will have more of a difficult decision to make. Keep the HC and back up QB and leave RG3 benched? maybe trade RG3 to another team for some of our picks back?

I mean if MS is done with the "read option" then maybe its RG3 who's expendable to a team that runs the "read option" say.... the Eagles? Right now MS has 3 games to prove to DS that the option is not the way to go.[/quote]

SBXVII: I know you're trying to look on the optimistic side of things, and believe me, you won't find very many here more optimistic than me, but in this case, Mike Shanahan is not looking out for the best interest of the team, RGIII, Kirk Cousins, or anybody else. I don't even think he's looking out for the best interest for himself other than collecting his $7 mil. Maybe he's martyring himself to save his son's reputation, but other than that, there is nothing good coming out of any of this.

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[quote=SBXVII;1048070]Also heard the same about "running QB's". Many of people here have said very few QB's like RG3, McNabb, etc. etc. do not do well and don't go very far because they are often injured. Some have said they would prefer a pocket passer.

Cousins might not seem to have the "IT" factor but maybe he manages the ball well and wins the games. Sounds like Eli Manning to me.[/quote]

No, sounds like John Beck to me. We been down this road. The NFC Super bowl representative will be a running QB who runs read option.

Anyway, look at Matty Ice and Schaub. classic drop back paser game managvers that have problems with athletic defensive players. Even look at Breeze , he is being meurderd this year. We thought that with John Beck and Grossman, not true so they got RG3 to give our QB some athletic ability. We tried this before with the great drop passer hope is not gonna save you from the running QB. Cousins is not that good.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1048075]People are going to blame the knee brace for the foot work and the accuracy. I don't know much about throwing mechanics so I can't agree or disagree with that, just from what I've read in the past.

RG3 definitely needs to work on holding onto the ball, as he's in 2nd place behind Matt Stafford in terms of fumbles (11). While some of that is RG3's blame, the o-line shouldn't be letting him get nailed so much.[/quote]

Honestly I've blamed the OL. but RG3 does hold the ball one handed while running. As far as the knee brace... he didn't have it last year? nor the foot work.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1048080]No, sounds like John Beck to me. We been down this road. The NFC Super bowl representative will be a running QB who runs read option.

Anyway, look at Matty Ice and Schaub. classic drop back paser game managvers that have problems with athletic defensive players. Even look at Breeze , he is being meurderd this year. We thought that with John Beck and Grossman, not true so they got RG3 to give our QB some athletic ability. We tried this before with the great drop passer hope is not gonna save you from the running QB. Cousins is not that good.[/quote]

The only thing, the only thing that makes RG3 special is his legs. Meaning he's fast and he can run. Yes I'm all for a QB who has mobility so he can get away from pressure unlike Sexy Rexy, but I'd prefer my QB to stay in the pocket and go through is progressions if at all possible. Which brings me back to the OL which sucks.