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[quote=Mattyk;1050776]We already know that Shanahan's relationship with RG is poor at best.

So if you're worried about a new coach not wanting him, why no concern about his current coach?[/quote]

Because rational human beings sometimes have to work out their differences. There have been other instances where people don't get along but they make it work because it's the right thing to do for the franchise.

But apparently that's impossible here.

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What about when the rational, self-interested coach puts his rational, self-interest ahead of the team?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1050781]I don't see it man but honestly I thought mike was going to be the guy that changed it around for us.[/quote]

I know. I honestly didn't think it would get like this. This year was just the perfect storm -- a chain reaction of bad events ... Griffin's injury against Seattle that delayed his offseason preparation ... the cap penalty that didn't allow us to upgrade ANYWHERE ...

I'm certainly not saying that Shanahan is blameless. Time-management issues, the inevitable conflict of interest when your son is the play-caller, not having a plan for Danny Smith's departure ... I'm sure there's more. It sucks out loud.

Stability when things go wrong is the one thing Snyder hasn't tried yet. I know I'm in the minority on this, but ... I just wouldn't make a change unless there's a knight in shining armor ready to ride in on a white horse. I just don't see it.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1050747][SIZE="3"][B][I]When Dallas got the ball last I knew we would lose,[/I][/B][/SIZE] and idec what Snyder does anymore, this team is destined to lose under him, we will finish 3-13 holy fuck that's bad, this has been by far the worst yr as a skins fan for me fuck this franchise[/quote]

Yep
I recorded the game while out xmas shopping.When Dallas got the ball back down 6 i went ahead and fast forwarded to the end cause I knew it was coming and I didnt want to drag out the misery.
I'm so sick of us not getting the calls,it seems like its been that way for yrs.There seemed to be a number of blatant holding calls not called.
On Murrays long run in the first there was blatant holding on a skin that was going for the tackle.
This team seems to be jinxed.Inside the red zone and penalty after penalty,WTF Moss? Then Moss throws the ball up for the int,it was a tough catch but cmon man.Its sickening

[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1050787]Yep
I recorded the game while out xmas shopping.When Dallas got the ball back down 6 i went ahead and fast forwarded to the end cause I knew it was coming and I didnt want to drag out the misery.
I'm so sick of us not getting the calls,it seems like its been that way for yrs.There seemed to be a number of blatant holding calls not called.
On Murrays long run in the first there was blatant holding on a skin that was going for the tackle.
This team seems to be jinxed.Inside the red zone and penalty after penalty,WTF Moss? Then Moss throws the ball up for the int,it was a tough catch but cmon man.Its sickening[/QUOTE]

Honestly man I am not even let down by it , it's hard to get upset when u know what's coming

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I never figured out why we didn't go for two points after our last two TD's. My math I could not figure out how failing a 2 point conversion would hurt us.

[QUOTE=firstdown;1050792]I never figured out why we didn't go for two points after our last two TD's. My math I could not figure out how failing a 2 point conversion would hurt us.[/QUOTE]

Who knows man

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[quote=Beemnseven;1050782]Because rational human beings sometimes have to work out [B]there[/B] differences. There have been other instances where people don't get along but they make it work because it's the right thing to do for the franchise.

But apparently that's impossible here.[/quote]

*their.

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[quote=htownskinfan;1050787]Yep
I recorded the game while out xmas shopping.When Dallas got the ball back down 6 i went ahead and fast forwarded to the end cause I knew it was coming and I didnt want to drag out the misery.
I'm so sick of us not getting the calls,it seems like its been that way for yrs.[B]There seemed to be a number of blatant holding calls not called.[/B]
On Murrays long run in the first there was blatant holding on a skin that was going for the tackle.
This team seems to be jinxed.Inside the red zone and penalty after penalty,WTF Moss? Then Moss throws the ball up for the int,it was a tough catch but cmon man.Its sickening[/quote]

YES!!! I saw this over and over. Not once did it get called. Then, our pass rush completely disappeared when it really mattered and Romo had all the time he needed...

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[quote=Beemnseven;1050782]Because rational human beings sometimes have to work out there differences. There have been other instances where people don't get along but they make it work because it's the right thing to do for the franchise.

But apparently that's impossible here.[/quote]

Given all the BS leaks that have come out slamming RG it tells me Mike isn't interested in working anything out. He wants to play the blame game and skate town with his last $7M check.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1050794]*their.[/quote]

Fixed. Thanks.

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[quote=Beemnseven;1050786]I know. I honestly didn't think it would get like this. This year was just the perfect storm -- a chain reaction of bad events ... Griffin's injury against Seattle that delayed his offseason preparation ... the cap penalty that didn't allow us to upgrade ANYWHERE ...

I'm certainly not saying that Shanahan is blameless. Time-management issues, the inevitable conflict of interest when your son is the play-caller, not having a plan for Danny Smith's departure ... I'm sure there's more. It sucks out loud.

Stability when things go wrong is the one thing Snyder hasn't tried yet. I know I'm in the minority on this, but ... I just wouldn't make a change unless there's a knight in shining armor ready to ride in on a white horse. I just don't see it.[/quote]

I don't remember you here and have no idea when started watching the Redskins. Do you realize every "bad luck" situation you listed is Mike's fault? The RG injury: Mike's fault. The bad start to the season: Mike.

There's literally nothing Shanahan or anyone else can point to as a reason he should be retained. But that's only half the story. Mike has been the worst HC in pro football three of the last four seasons. His leadership has been abysmal, from Mcnabb and Haynesworth to Davis and RG, you can't find a pro coach who alienates players like Mike does. His son seems to be following in those footsteps too btw.

I think Snyder had played it risky by keeping Mike around the letting the poison settle in further, but it could indicate Snyder/BA already have a good sense of who's coming in to take over. I still absolutely believe any potential HC will put DC at the top of his list. This team has talent at key positions and will have money to spend in arguably the weekest division in football.

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we are trash all around excpet for a handful of guys, I cant wait for the shannys and co. to be sent packing and a new staff in place smh.........horrible year.

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Well at least the last two games have been competitive from start to finish. They've been fun to watch. Sucks that Fletch couldn't leave with a win.

Haslett is garbage. You've got Romo with a leg injury and you simply have to get after his ass at the end of the game. He sat back there and could have wiped his ass he had so much time.

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What makes this loss so harsh...how close it all was.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1050803]Well at least the last two games have been competitive from start to finish. They've been fun to watch. Sucks that Fletch couldn't leave with a win.[/quote]Agreed. More fun than the three game "home" stretch.

How many sacks did we get today? I remember one by RK that's all

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1050813]How many sacks did we get today? I remember one by RK that's all[/quote]

Meriweather had another

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1050818]Meriweather had another[/QUOTE]

O yeah on the blitz

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1050820]O yeah on the blitz[/quote]

RK had one as well I believe

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1050813]How many sacks did we get today? I remember one by RK that's all[/quote]

Wow im blind... thought you said Orakpo . Read it auick.... Im still drunk

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[quote=GTripp0012;1050768]Sometimes, it's instructive to take a look around you. The Redskins are at their lowest on-field point in 20 years. Probably 40. Once you arrive at that conclusion, you can move forward without fear that Snyder might screw up the next hire.

[B]Starting from scratch is, and I mean this, a better position than the next coach will actually be starting from[/B].[/quote]

Does that mean you think we are worse off now than we were 4 years ago? That is a very depressing thought. Personally I feel we have some pieces in place to suceed again in a few years.

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I think with the right coach and a couple key pieces, a FS, a RT, CB, a number 2 receiver and a MLB, we could win the east next season if RG3 gets back in form. We are not so far gone that everything must be scrapped. A couple solid free agent signings, a hit on one or two of our draft picks, and BAM, we are right there. If we can get two starters out of this next draft, WONDERFUL. If Philip Thomas comes back and slides in as a starter and does a solid job, WONDERFUL. If we actually get a competent RT, WONDERFUL.

All of these things I believe are very doable, and could all happen THIS offseason. But I do think new blood is needed for the HC, OC, DC, and secondary and special teams coaches. Thats alot of new coaches, but we have the talent here to make it an easy transition for the right guy. This team is close.

I think letting this crap Cowboys team beat you with it's worst defense in nfl history and a gajillion injuries qb'd by the master of the choke qualifies as a true low point.

[QUOTE=calia;1050859]I think letting this crap Cowboys team beat you with it's worst defense in nfl history and a gajillion injuries qb'd by the master of the choke qualifies as a true low point.[/QUOTE]

100% spot on.

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Anyone have any news on Rak's injury?

What a truly great and utter disaster today was. 4 & 12 and we give up the TD after three masterful stops. All you have to do is cover Murray and we win... Pathetic...
We will have high picks in rounds 2-7..

[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;1050864]Anyone have any news on Rak's injury?

What a truly great and utter disaster today was. 4 & 12 and we give up the TD after three masterful stops. All you have to do is cover Murray and we win... Pathetic...
We will have high picks in rounds 2-7..[/QUOTE]

And probably another late 2 for cousins

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1050866]And probably another late 2 for cousins[/quote]

An early two would be more likely because the losers draft first. That is, unless a losing team has a pair of second round picks.

What's the high/low on a draft pick for Cousins, anyway? Late first/early third? Would the Skins even accept a third for him? After all, there is no compelling reason to let him go cheap.

I'd like to get a pick and a player for him.

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I say we end up getting another second rounder for him

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After today if we get offered a 2 let him go and draft another mid draft guy.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1050803]Well at least the last two games have been competitive from start to finish. They've been fun to watch. Sucks that Fletch couldn't leave with a win.

Haslett is garbage. You've got Romo with a leg injury and you simply have to get after his ass at the end of the game. He sat back there and could have wiped his ass he had so much time.[/quote]

I've never seen a team play a prevent defense from the 11 yard line until today. Haslett, you're 3-11, call a blitz, make him throw it quickly or chuck it into the end zone. But nah, lets give him 13 seconds in the pocket, cause we have lock down defenders. Even if we did, it's hard to cover forever.

But hey, you don't get to 3-11 (3-12 now) on accident.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1050846]Does that mean you think we are worse off now than we were 4 years ago? That is a very depressing thought. Personally I feel we have some pieces in place to suceed again in a few years.[/quote]There's no question.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1050846]Does that mean you think we are worse off now than we were 4 years ago? That is a very depressing thought. Personally I feel we have some pieces in place to suceed again in a few years.[/quote]

I really dont think that we are that far off, right side O-line, line backers, secondary group, and COACHING!!

There will be a lot of free agents that fit all of these needs.......
Let us hope that whoever the next coach is they will find a way to get the most out of this team.

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As much as I'd like to comment on this game I cant because I watched the first few minutes then went to the movies to see American Hustle.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1050868]An early two would be more likely because the losers draft first. That is, unless a losing team has a pair of second round picks.

What's the high/low on a draft pick for Cousins, anyway? Late first/early third? Would the Skins even accept a third for him? After all, there is no compelling reason to let him go cheap.

I'd like to get a pick and a player for him.[/quote]

I have no idea why the fans want either guy to be traded. We don't know if Griff can play a pro offense and he's had multiple knee surgeries. It's still too early to tell how good Cousins can be. QB depth isn't the worst thing to have.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1050881]I have no idea why the fans want either guy to be traded. We don't know if Griff can play a pro offense and he's had multiple knee surgeries. It's still too early to tell how good Cousins can be. QB depth isn't the worst thing to have.[/quote]

I actually agree with you. I'd like to see him stay. I was just wondering what he would be worth if he were traded.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1050871]I've never seen a team play a prevent defense from the 11 yard line until today. Haslett, you're 3-11, call a blitz, make him throw it quickly or chuck it into the end zone. But nah, lets give him 13 seconds in the pocket, cause we have lock down defenders. Even if we did, it's hard to cover forever.

But hey, you don't get to 3-11 (3-12 now) on accident.[/quote]

That's Haslett. Romo had beaten us before when we played soft. But Haslett never learns. On top of that Romo was playing on one leg.

The really disheartening thing about it is that the defensive players played their hearts out yesterday only to be let down by the stupidity of their DC.

Haslett [U]must[/U] go, even if by some miracle Mike Shanahan stays.

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^ agree

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[quote=skinsfan69;1050881]I have no idea why the fans want either guy to be traded. We don't know if Griff can play a pro offense and he's had multiple knee surgeries. It's still too early to tell how good Cousins can be. QB depth isn't the worst thing to have.[/quote]

Ther are a dozen Kirk cousins in every draft. He is average.

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You hold Dallas to 24 points you should beat them at home. Dont put that shit on the defense. This is squarely on Kyle and Mike and whoever is the idiot running special teams.

I would love it if Snyder came in and fired Kyle today. He should, fire Kyle and see if Shanny would resign.