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[quote=diehardskin2982;1054763]I want us to draft a PR/KR in Dri Archer. I also would like us to draft a Number 2 WR like Kelvin Benjamin

[B]I want us to rebuild our line through free agency because I want a player that has proven he can block in this league. [/B]
Michael Oher has played both RT and LT and has never missed a game for injury. We need to make it a priority to steal him.[/quote]

They already tried rebuilding their offensive line through free agency. The only offensive linemen worth keeping was actually drafted by the Skins.

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we have actually tried drafting the past few years under Shanny and the problem is we can't develop talent.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1054768]we have actually tried drafting the past few years under Shanny and the problem is we can't develop talent.[/quote]

I agree. Shanahan's coaching staff couldn't develop linemen. That is a big reason he is no longer employed.

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[quote=donofriose;1054761]That is not a core in my opinion. That is a couple of players that were drafted by the Skins.

A core is what the Patriots have. Obviously Brady is a huge reason for their success but you have a locker room filled with guys that were developed with the Patriot system. The Patriots use free agency for depth (a lot of them are starting now because of injury) and to give guys chances that come there cheap. Just looking at their team you have Soldier, Mankins, Wendell, Vollmer, Edelman, Gronk, Ridley, Brady, Wilfork, Spikes, Mayo, Hightower, Jones, McCourty and Dennard. All those players were either drafted by the Pats or came as an undrafted free agent. That is a core. That is what the locker room is lacking. Solid players that were developed together and with only one team.

The Seahawks were able to build that in a few years as well. 49ers had that they just needed a coach. Packers pretty much only build through the draft.

You don't need to sign a lot of free agents to be starters in order to be competitive. What has worked for a lot of successful teams is drafting and developing players in your system, building a core and solid locker room, and then you can bring in a free agent or two in order to fill a hole and create depth.[/quote]

How that's not a core of players? That is the Redskins core. They're not only players, several of them are the face of our team. RG3, Morris, Reed (if healthy), Rak, Kerrigan, Riley, T. Williams, and Amerson. IS the core, then you get more guys and build around that. What we're lacking is depth and development.

You make it sound like we have 53 nobodies running around out there.

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The Lineman coach is still here unfortunately.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1054768]we have actually tried drafting the past few years under Shanny and the problem is we can't develop talent.[/quote]

We've had the same hits and misses just like any other team. The reason why people are so against free agency, is because some people think Vinny is still in charge.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1054782]We've had the same hits and misses just like any other team. The reason why people are so against free agency, is because some people think Vinny is still in charge.[/quote]

I agree... They don't understand its our best option with no 1st round pick.

Last 4 drafts:
The redskins have drafted 7 Offensive lineman and 15 defensive players. They don't take the time to develop them or can't. that is the real problem.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1054773]How that's not a core of players? That is the Redskins core. They're not only players, several of them are the face of our team. RG3, Morris, Reed (if healthy), Rak, Kerrigan, Riley, T. Williams, and Amerson. IS the core, then you get more guys and build around that. What we're lacking is depth and development.

You make it sound like we have 53 nobodies running around out there.[/quote]

They are the core of a 3 win team. That's what it boils down to. Not saying they can't play better but those are facts. 3 wins.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1054782]We've had the same hits and misses just like any other team. The reason why people are so against free agency, is because some people think Vinny is still in charge.[/quote]

It has nothing to do with Vinny. I think there's a proven track record, not only here but other teams as well, that going on a big free agent spending spree doesn't parlay into wins.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1054792]I agree... They don't understand its our best option with no 1st round pick.

Last 4 drafts:
The redskins have drafted 7 Offensive lineman and 15 defensive players. They don't take the time to develop them or can't. that is the real problem.[/quote]

I agree with the last part. And until they fix that the Redskins will still be where they have been the past 15 years, even if they sign free agents.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1054782]We've had the same hits and misses just like any other team. The reason why people are so against free agency, is because some people think Vinny is still in charge.[/quote]

Miami tried it, it didn't work.
Tampa Bay tried it, it didn't work for them.
Bills tried it to some extent, it didn't work for them.

There is a reason that teams like the Pats, Packers, Ravens, Seahawks, Saints, 49ers, and now the Panthers have been successful. They do not panic and sign big name free agents. All those teams draft their own players, develop them, and stay patient even when fans are screaming for them to spend 80 million dollars on a free agent that will magically fix the team. They still sign players, but they wait until they have the leverage. Only exception is a franchise QB. But teams do not let those guys go very often.

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[quote=donofriose;1054847]Miami tried it, it didn't work.
Tampa Bay tried it, it didn't work for them.
Bills tried it to some extent, it didn't work for them.

There is a reason that teams like the Pats, Packers, Ravens, Seahawks, Saints, 49ers, and now the Panthers have been successful. They do not panic and sign big name free agents. All those teams draft their own players, develop them, and stay patient even when fans are screaming for them to spend 80 million dollars on a free agent that will magically fix the team. They still sign players, but they wait until they have the leverage. Only exception is a franchise QB. But teams do not let those guys go very often.[/quote]

I think you're missing the entire point. We ARE going to draft players, we're not going to give up on the draft.

BUT we happen to have $30 MILLION DOLLARS to spend on FA. It would be idiotic not to use it. ALL of the teams you mentioned bring in big impact FA all the time - off the top of my head, just recently the Pats got Amendola/Talib, Seahawks have Harvin, 49ers got Boldin, Denver with Wes Welker, and on and on...

I think what you are concerned about is overspending and missing on overvalued players past their prime. And I believe that has usually been Snyder in the past. Bruce and Shanny have recently signed younger FA to more reasonable deals, hope we can continue this.

The best part is that NOW is the perfect time to spend in FA -> in order for the new coach to revamp the team to players that suit his system. Hope we bring in good locker room guys and not people like Brandon Spikes.

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[quote=ethat001;1054870]I think you're missing the entire point. We ARE going to draft players, we're not going to give up on the draft.

BUT we happen to have $30 MILLION DOLLARS to spend on FA. It would be idiotic not to use it. ALL of the teams you mentioned bring in big impact FA all the time -[B][U] off the top of my head, just recently the Pats got Amendola, Seahawks have Harvin, 49ers got Boldin, Denver with Wes Welker, and on and on...[/U][/B] [/quote]



I find it hilarious that the examples you gave are the exact evidence that counters your argument.....LOL None of those acquisitions have helped those teams out much. All three of them have been injured for the most part. I'm almost willing to bet that those teams would take a mulligan if given the chance. Also, several of those were trades.


You don't just spend for the sake of spending. Who cares if you have 30 million or 50 million in cap room. You draft young talent, you develop them, and you pay them when it's time and let them go right before their downward slope of their career. Good teams do it and bad ones do not.

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we need DBs and at least an OT. we have money, they're available. might as well plug dem der holes.

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Can we please get this thread back on track? Regardless of what you or I may think of Free Agency in general. the Redskins [U]ARE[/U] going to sign some Free Agents. So who do you like?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1054844]They are the core of a 3 win team. That's what it boils down to. Not saying they can't play better but those are facts. 3 wins.[/quote]

I didn't say they were a good core. :silly:

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Is Devin Hester considered on the downside of his career?

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I want Aqib Talib in FA. I bet the Skins do, too. He's playing tonight, so we have a chance to see our next shutdown corner in action.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1054948]Is Devin Hester considered on the downside of his career?[/quote]

In the last two years combined he's only taken one kick to the house. This is very different from his glory years, when he had 5 or 6 a season.

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My ideal free agency would be:
Emmanual Sanders-WR
Dexter McCluster-WR/PR/KR
Michael Oher-RT
Evan Deitrich-Smith-C
Sam Sheilds-CB
Malcolm Jenkins-S

None of these players should break the bank and they're all in that 25-27 yr old window going into their second contract and have some upside.

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[quote=Paintrain;1054969]My ideal free agency would be:
Emmanual Sanders-WR
Dexter McCluster-WR/PR/KR
Michael Oher-RT
Evan Deitrich-Smith-C
Sam Sheilds-CB
Malcolm Jenkins-S

None of these players should break the bank and they're all in that 25-27 yr old window going into their second contract and have some upside.[/quote]

I like players like that. I think a couple of those players might stay with there teams. Specifically Sanders, McCluster and Oher. But you never know.

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Mack
Veldheer
TJ Ward
Orakpo
Riley
Golden Tate
Clifton Geathers
Daryl Smith
A Talib

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[quote=donofriose;1054970]I like players like that. I think a couple of those players might stay with there teams. Specifically Sanders, McCluster and Oher. But you never know.[/quote]

The Steelers ($12 mil over) and Chiefs ($4 mil under) both have cap issues and while the Ravens are sitting at $12 mil over, they also have to sign their other starting tackle Eugene Monroe so Oher probably will be available.

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[quote=Paintrain;1054976]The Steelers ($12 mil over) and Chiefs ($4 mil under) both have cap issues and while the Ravens are sitting at $12 mil over, they also have to sign their other starting tackle Eugene Monroe so Oher probably will be available.[/quote]

I think I read that the Steelers are thinking of letting go of Troy and redoing Big Ben's contract to free up space to resign Sanders and I believe Ziggy Hood. But who knows it may not be enough in the end.

Either way getting a couple of those players would be great value. It is hard to tell what will happen at this point.

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Oher really sucks. There has to be better RT better than him.

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I would also add Toby Gerdhart to spell Morris and trade Helu or make him the 3rd down back.

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[quote=Paintrain;1054976]The Steelers ($12 mil over) and Chiefs ($4 mil under) both have cap issues and while the Ravens are sitting at $12 mil over, they also have to sign their other starting tackle Eugene Monroe so Oher probably will be available.[/quote]

Oher has been pretty bad for them as of late.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1055011]Oher has been pretty bad for them as of late.[/quote]

Ah, ok. I didn't watch much of the Ravens this season. Historically he's always been a good pass protector and that's a big need at that position.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1054919]I didn't say they were a good core. :silly:[/quote]

Lol.

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I think Oher will hit the market, and I think he's pretty good, but I don't feel like shelling out a 5-year contract at the RT position. I suppose that's the solution I wanted a year ago when Andre Smith was available, but now, not so much.

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[quote=donofriose;1054970]I like players like that. I think a couple of those players might stay with there teams. Specifically Sanders, McCluster and Oher. But you never know.[/quote]


Oher has been replaced by Monroe on the left side and the salary cap for the Ravens is tight. Oher will be a perfect fit opposite Silverback.

Move Lichtensteiger to center, then bring in a guard like Geoff Schwartz and start LeRibeus or Gettis whomever plays better at the other guard. Both of these guys need to develop and gain weight.

[url=http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-pending-free-agent-michael-oher-says-hes-enjoyed-being-a-raven-uncertain-if-hell-remain-one-20131230,0,3835210.story]Pending free agent Michael Oher says he's enjoyed being a Raven, uncertain if he'll remain one - baltimoresun.com[/url]

As a bottom dweller team we are going to have to shell out some 5 year deals for premium talent.

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[quote=Lotus;1054958]In the last two years combined he's only taken one kick to the house. This is very different from his glory years, when he had 5 or 6 a season.

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If I remember correctly that 1 was against us last year lol. Bad memories. It would be fine if our ST hadn't been so hilariously terrible last year.

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[quote=mooby;1055121]If I remember correctly that 1 was against us last year lol. Bad memories. It would be fine if our ST hadn't been so hilariously terrible last year.[/quote]

Of course it was against us!

I may be wrong, but didn't Methuselah take one to the house against our ST last season? There were so many big returns against us that I've lost track of them.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1055111]Oher has been replaced by Monroe on the left side and the salary cap for the Ravens is tight. Oher will be a perfect fit opposite Silverback.

Move Lichtensteiger to center, then bring in a guard like Geoff Schwartz and start LeRibeus or Gettis whomever plays better at the other guard. Both of these guys need to develop and gain weight.

[URL="http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-pending-free-agent-michael-oher-says-hes-enjoyed-being-a-raven-uncertain-if-hell-remain-one-20131230,0,3835210.story"]Pending free agent Michael Oher says he's enjoyed being a Raven, uncertain if he'll remain one - baltimoresun.com[/URL]

As a bottom dweller team we are going to have to shell out some 5 year deals for premium talent.[/quote]
According to profootball focus Oher was one of the worst right tackles in football. Polumbus was one of the best.

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[quote=mooby;1055121]If I remember correctly that 1 was against us last year lol. Bad memories. [B]It would be fine if our ST hadn't been so hilariously terrible last year.[/B][/quote]

We need to retain Keith Burns. His special teams make history!

[QUOTE=Lotus;1055142]We need to retain Keith Burns. His special teams make history![/QUOTE]

I'd rather we employed a Sasquatch as ST coach

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To be honest this is such a horrible free agent year it really is. Last year VJax & Wallace were out there. This year Lafells in the discussion... no way none of these guys have upside to me. I like McCluster for returns and he gets involved of course as well. But thats it. Lets draft a WR and look elsewhere. Unless the deal is just amazing. Edlemen could be ok but hes not the guy for us we dont need a slot we need a compliment to Garcon. A true threat not these WRs.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;1055140]According to profootball focus Oher was one of the worst right tackles in football. Polumbus was one of the best.[/quote]

That definitely doesn't make PFF look good. He struggled with everything last year, bull rush, spin move, swipe move, I can't remember how many times I saw whoever he was supposed to be blocking sitting on top of RG3 on the ground while Polumbus stood there apologetically.

I don't think Oher is worthy of a big deal either, but I also don't know how much I can trust those reports if it says Polumbus was one of the best tackles either.

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[quote=mooby;1055208]That definitely doesn't make PFF look good. He struggled with everything last year, bull rush, spin move, swipe move, I can't remember how many times I saw whoever he was supposed to be blocking sitting on top of RG3 on the ground while Polumbus stood there apologetically.

I don't think Oher is worthy of a big deal either, but I also don't know how much I can trust those reports if it says Polumbus was one of the best tackles either.[/quote]

Polumbus is not a bad run blocker and maybe that helped his PFF grade. But in the passing game, I'm definitely with you. We saw the pocket collapse from the right edge again and again and again. Not sure how PFF missed that.

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On the Polumbus grade: did we face a team with two good pass rushers the whole season? Think Justin Houston missed the game against us for Kansas City.

It's not the grade that's wrong on Polumbus, it's the context. That's a fluky schedule of number two pass rushers he played. If he is retained as the starter he will likely struggle again next year.