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[quote=over the mountain;1073125][COLOR="Sienna"]superbowl winning Brian Billick[/COLOR][/quote]

Wasn't he the guy that helped the Vikings set NFL records with Carter, Moss and Culpepper?

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[quote=saden1;1073124]Who? Name some of those great head coaches that didn't have exceptional resumes. Joe Gibbs, Bill Belichick of the world were exceptional before they became head coaches.[/quote]

John Harbaugh is one of the few college coaches that has succeeded in the NFL after being a college coach. I'm sure coming in he had a TON of doubters and naysayers because he was a college coach.

Pete Carroll sucked as an NFL coach (ask any Pats fan) and I'm sure a lot of people had doubts about him coming back after being a successful college coach.

Jim Harbaugh was a special teams coordinator from Philly. I don't think he had an "exceptional" resume and was pretty unknown.

Jeff Fisher was a d-coordinator, who bounced around different teams before becoming head coach. I'm not saying he's super successful, but he's been around for a while as an NFL coach.

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I remember when Josh McDaniels was highly touted as an excellent head coach candidate and was considered to have an "exceptional" (although short) career because he worked in Belichick's offense. Yet he went to Denver and drove that organization into the ground.

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[quote=saden1;1073124]Who? Name some of those great head coaches that didn't have exceptional resumes. Joe Gibbs, Bill Belichick of the world were exceptional before they became head coaches.[/quote]



Bill Parcells

John Madden

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[quote=Giantone;1073130]Bill Parcells

John Madden[/quote]

I'll give you Bill Parcells. Madden, though, was exceptional...he helped the team reach the SB.

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[quote=saden1;1073133]I'll give you Bill Parcells. Madden, though, was exceptional...he helped the team reach the SB.[/quote]


Look at your quote and then think about Madden again .

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[quote=saden1;1073127]Wasn't he the guy that helped the Vikings set NFL records with Carter, Moss and Culpepper?[/quote]

[COLOR="Sienna"]nope different dude[/COLOR]

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[quote=Giantone;1073136]Look at your quote and then think about Madden again .[/quote]

Madden was the LB Coach back in 1967 and helped the Raiders to 13-1 record and a SB appearance. He then took over as HC in 1968 at the age of 32.

Parcells was a nobody before he got the job. I wouldn't have hired him and I certain would have fired him after his first season. The only redeeming quality he has is that he was able to learn on the job. There are exceptions to every rule, I just don't believe Jay Gruden has what it takes to be an exception and I would not take a chance on people who could be exceptional.


Jay Gruden is a firm NO HIRE for me.

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[quote=saden1;1073124]Who? Name some of those great head coaches that didn't have exceptional resumes. Joe Gibbs, Bill Belichick of the world were exceptional before they became head coaches.[/quote]

Mike McCarthy, Sean Payton, John Harbaugh and Mike Tomlin.

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[quote=saden1;1073141]Madden was the LB Coach back in 1967 and helped the Raiders to 13-1 record and a SB appearance. He then took over as HC in 1968 at the age of 32.

Parcells was a nobody before he got the job. I wouldn't have hired him and I certain would have fired him after his first season. The only redeeming quality he has is that he was able to learn on the job. There are exceptions to every rule, I just don't believe Jay Gruden has what it takes to be an exception and I would not take a chance on people who could be exceptional.


Jay Gruden is a firm NO HIRE for me.[/quote]

Madden was Lber coach for 2 years how in the hell is that a great head coaching resume ?

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[quote=Giantone;1073143]Madden was Lber coach for 2 years how in the hell is that a great head coaching resume ?[/quote]

Because fans know more than an NFL front office, that's why.

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I don't know why you are bothering with satan, oops I mean saden. Local troll. Saden's posts are all opinion and emotion, but treats it as fact. Unreasonable people aren't worth trying to reason with.

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My OPINION, is that the FO decisions have seemed more logical, patient, and less of a quick fix mentality since Bruce has been here. Like someone else said earlier in this thread, even the Shanahan departure, head coach search, and Gruden transition was less of a circus than in the past. I'm cautiously optimistic about this FO. I will admit, saden may be right in the end, I fear that Danny is still too involved and I fear that it's more of the same old BS, but it is not an inevitability, and I'm hoping we continue to see progress in the organization both on the field and behind the scenes. HTTR

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[quote=Ruhskins;1073128]John Harbaugh is one of the few college coaches that has succeeded in the NFL after being a college coach. I'm sure coming in he had a TON of doubters and naysayers because he was a college coach.

Pete Carroll sucked as an NFL coach (ask any Pats fan) and I'm sure a lot of people had doubts about him coming back after being a successful college coach.

Jim Harbaugh was a special teams coordinator from Philly. I don't think he had an "exceptional" resume and was pretty unknown.

Jeff Fisher was a d-coordinator, who bounced around different teams before becoming head coach. I'm not saying he's super successful, but he's been around for a while as an NFL coach.[/quote]

I think you're getting John and Jim mixed up. John was the special teams coordinator in Philly before getting the B-more head coaching gig. Jim was the head coach at Stanford before he went to the 49ers.

I remember looking at the John Harbaugh hiring in B-more and thinking, "really, a special teams coordinator?" Look how wrong I was lol.

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[quote=WillH;1073147]My OPINION, is that the FO decisions have seemed more logical, patient, and less of a quick fix mentality since Bruce has been here. Like someone else said earlier in this thread, even the Shanahan departure, head coach search, and Gruden transition was less of a circus than in the past. I'm cautiously optimistic about this FO. [B]I will admit, saden may be right in the end[/B], I fear that Danny is still too involved and I fear that it's more of the same old BS, but it is not an inevitability, and I'm hoping we continue to see progress in the organization both on the field and behind the scenes. HTTR[/quote]


I am afraid you're right.

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All this fuss over a title?

Da fuq

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[quote=Mattyk;1073161]All this fuss over a title?

Da fuq[/quote]

Offseason at its finest

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[quote=Ruhskins;1073145]Because fans know more than an NFL front office, that's why.[/quote]




oops , my bad .

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[quote=saden1;1073115][B]He got the job not because he is an exceptional coach, he got it because management knows him and he knows the staff. If that's the criteria for hiring people then failure is inevitable.
[/B]
Nothing about what Jay Gruden has done is impressive or exceptional. Jay Gruden will not elevate this team and within the next 2 or 3 years he will me coordinating somewhere else.[/quote]

This goes on all around the NFL. People hire who they're comfortable with.

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And it's not like Gruden isn't qualified. He's not Zorn 2.0.

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As I stated in the other thread (Morroco Brown), I wondered if this move could potentially set up another move in the near future with them bringing in(or promoting) a real GM.


I'm as anti-Snyder as they come, but I'm realistic about things as well. Snyder is a huge douche bag and would steal money from a blind man's cup. He's a egotistical whimp with a very low self-esteem, and doesn't understand what PR is if it hit him in the ass. That said, I don't think Snyder has had a hand in decisions (football related) since Vinny was fired. I think Mike had full control, and I think he'll allow Bruce to continue doing his thing. As far as I'm concerned, Snyder isn't responsible for the product on the field beyond hiring the GM/Coach.

Now, I don't really care about some title that Bruce is getting. There are some things I love about Bruce and other things I simply don't trust him with. I think Bruce is fantastic at doing contracts, making trades, managing the salary cap, and promoting a good image of the team. I don't think there is a better guy in the league at doing these sort of things. Where I question Bruce is with personnel decisions in regards to players. I simply don't trust his ability to judge/pick players, and nothing about his career would convince me otherwise.

I liked the Jay Gruden hire, and felt we needed a good young coach in here who's hungry to make a name for himself. I think Jay could be that guy. He's smart, he's passionate, and he knows the game. What I do not like about Jay is that he decided to go with a horrible choice for a DC in his first coaching gig. Friends is friends, but this is a business. I fear that if Haslett doesn't make the grade and is fired at the end of the season, Jay will already be a season in the hole trying to climb out of. That's when coaches/GMs start getting desperate.

Overall, I like the staff (minus Haslett/Williams) but I'm not very optimistic they are going to succeed. I think this all hinges on the defense (and RGIIIs play) and I'm sure as hell not confident about that aspect. Hope Haslett proves me wrong. I won't say this regime is going to fail or they can't succeed. That's ludicrous to say at this time.