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[quote=DynamiteRave;1081657]I'm sorry I ended up as a punching bag. Boy, if that isn't a battered woman I don't know what is. She better start figuring out divorce papers before the money dries up.[/quote]

The thing that frustrates me the most is this:
[IMG]http://www.myk104.com/dede/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2014/02/ray-600x349.jpg[/IMG]

The fact that they have a kid together makes this one big cluster. Even more than that, the thing that really scares me is that having Ray Rice for a Dad increases the risk that his daughter could easily end up attracted to abusive a-holes like, well Ray Rice, when she grows up.

[quote][B]How the abusive behavior of fathers effect their daughters?[/B]

The father-daughter relationship influences how grown-up daughters feel about themselves as women.

It can influence their choice of an intimate partner.

The daughters of an abusive father may, as an adult, be more susceptible to domestic violence, eating disorders, alcoholism or drug abuse and sexual promiscuity.
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Granted its not guaranteed that Ray Rice's daughter will seek out abusive a-holes but just like many people with a family history of alcoholism need to be careful around booze (ie the alcoholism gene), people who are around abusive or traumatic experiences like domestic violence need to be careful, with, well basically everything when they grow up (dating, drugs, alcohol, eating habits).

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I don't condone hitting women at all. Everyone is so PC now days but that video shows to drunk or almost there, people arguing her knock out blow was the railing. If he beats her ass every day then he got what he had coming. if was a moment of passion you have to take it with a grain of salt. She hit him first, he hit her back and now his life is ruined. I did not see rampage where she got the every living shit beat out of her. It is fucked situation and that is something they need to work out. All the people ypu see on camera are only thinking how they look and come off on camera. they had 7 months and they thought it was water under the bridge.

Never hit a woman.........

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[quote=warpaint;1081685]I don't condone hitting women at all. Everyone is so PC now days but that video shows to drunk or almost there, people arguing her knock out blow was the railing. If he beats her ass every day then he got what he had coming. if was a moment of passion you have to take it with a grain of salt. She hit him first, he hit her back and now his life is ruined. I did not see rampage where she got the every living shit beat out of her. It is fucked situation and that is something they need to work out. All the people ypu see on camera are only thinking how they look and come off on camera. they had 7 months and they thought it was water under the bridge.

Never hit a woman.........[/quote]

A moment of passion can do serious damage, likewise a single punch. When I was living in the city a guy died from a single punch to the head, out cold and head hit the sidewalk. This situation could have ended much worse.

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There's just no defending it or rationalizing it. I wish people would stop trying to.

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I dont want to come across like im backing homeboy im not. I just hate the fact that it seems like once the video came out thats when people gave a shit. I was raised by a single mother who went through all that violence and i was a scared little kid that couldnt protect her. that shit breaks my heart and it stills fucks with today 20 years later. I dont and will never condone it. i dont apologize for my comment I hate bandwagoon folks.

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[quote=Mattyk;1081688]There's just no defending it or rationalizing it. I wish people would stop trying to.[/quote]

Agreed. The situations where you can even start to consider rationalizing it are so extreme and rare that 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the time it boils down to a guy being a scumbag. The Ray Rice fiasco doesn't even come close to having any sort of justification.

Tiger Woods basically got concussed by his wife, after a golf club through a window to the face caused him to crash his car, and still never laid a hand on her.

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[quote=warpaint;1081689]I dont want to come across like im backing homeboy im not. I just hate the fact that it seems like once the video came out thats when people gave a shit. I was raised by a single mother who went through all that violence and i was a scared little kid that couldnt protect her. that shit breaks my heart and it stills fucks with today 20 years later. I dont and will never condone it. i dont apologize for my comment I hate bandwagoon folks.[/quote]

How else should people react to a video like that? Plenty of people had their concerns about Rice before seeing it, I don't think anyone agreed with the lame 2 game suspension.

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[quote=warpaint;1081689]I dont want to come across like im backing homeboy im not. I just hate the fact that it seems like once the video came out thats when people gave a shit. I was raised by a single mother who went through all that violence and i was a scared little kid that couldnt protect her. that shit breaks my heart and it stills fucks with today 20 years later. I dont and will never condone it. i dont apologize for my comment I hate bandwagoon folks.[/quote]

I honestly feel that Rice's people hid things when it first happened; and the Ravens were too quick to sweep everything under the rug. I personally feel the video is just so sickening and shocking, that it led to the reaction.

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I tell ya, they need to run the john harbaugh press conference the first time he addressed this issue. Harbaugh and the ravens organization can go to hell. Eff them all.

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[quote=Mattyk;1081692]How else should people react to a video like that? Plenty of people had their concerns about Rice before seeing it, I don't think anyone agreed with the lame 2 game suspension.[/quote]

That 2 game suspension was bull. I really cant give a good answer. I really dont know. I just dont like the talking heads jumping all over the ship when they should done it from the get go. Who knows.

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I heard Rog Goodell hired this guy as one of his personal advisers for public affairs.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcd1l2wh-NY[/url]

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[quote=warpaint;1081698]That 2 game suspension was bull. I really cant give a good answer. I really dont know. I just dont like the talking heads jumping all over the ship when they should done it from the get go. Who knows.[/quote]

Talking heads were talking plenty on this story initially, but without definitive proof what can you do?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1081694]I honestly feel that Rice's people hid things when it first happened; and the Ravens were too quick to sweep everything under the rug. I personally feel the video is just so sickening and shocking, that it led to the reaction.[/quote]

Yeah I get the feeling everyone involved wanted this whole story buried as quickly as possible. Until the video showed up they almost did it too. Disgusting.

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Personally I think the ownership of the Ravens needs to address this and not the coach

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IDK. Sad story really dont know. All i know is he is fucked.

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[quote=Mattyk;1081702]Yeah I get the feeling everyone involved wanted this whole story buried as quickly as possible. Until the video showed up they almost did it too. Disgusting.[/quote]

You wonder if the video even surfaces if that casino didn't close earlier this month

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1081703]Personally I think the ownership of the Ravens needs to address this and not the coach[/quote]

Seriously, poorly handled on their part yet again.

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[quote=warpaint;1081704]IDK. Sad story really dont know. All i know is he is fucked.[/quote]

We r a second chance nation, if he commits himself to change and stays in shape I wouldn't be surprised if he is given the opportunity to at least attempt a comeback.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1081703]Personally I think the ownership of the Ravens needs to address this and not the coach[/quote]

Agreed. Steve Bisciotti should have been the one on the podium addressing the situation. And what I don't get is that, if Rice lied to them, they should have stated that in any communication with the press. Which makes it easy to assume that they were involved in the cover up.

I know people want to buried Goodell, and rightfully so, but to me this is more on the Ravens as an organization.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1081709]Agreed. Steve Bisciotti should have been the one on the podium addressing the situation. And what I don't get is that, if Rice lied to them, they should have stated that in any communication with the press. Which makes it easy to assume that they were involved in the cover up.

I know people want to buried Goodell, and rightfully so, but to me this is more on the Ravens as an organization.[/quote]

I agree. You can throw the state of NJ in there too. Piss poor on the prosecutors part but idk Joe could shed light on that

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How did tmz come into owning the video?

So the big bad nfl couldn't get the footage but tmz did?

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Chico i would say that the casino closing opened up an employee looking to make a pay day.

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I think TMZ has been in possession of the video for a while....maybe waiting for the perfect timing to release it like opening week....:Smoker: and then boom goes the dynamite :Smoker:

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Looks like the Ravens have had experience sweeping domestic abuse under the table:

[url=http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2014/09/when-will-the-ravens-be-releasing-terrell-suggs/]Why The Ravens Won't Cut Terrell Suggs | Robert Littal Presents BlackSportsOnline[/url]

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;1081724]I think TMZ has been in possession of the video for a while....maybe waiting for the perfect timing to release it like opening week....:Smoker: and then boom goes the dynamite :Smoker:[/quote]

The fact that the public has essentially relied on evidence provided by TMZ to have the league to do the right thing is a problem in and of itself.

In a way it reminds me of the Allies enlisting the help of the Soviets during WW2.

[quote=Chico23231;1081712]How did tmz come into owning the video?

So the big bad nfl couldn't get the footage but tmz did?[/quote]

For better or worse it seems TMZ has people who are very good at gathering dirt.

Though I imagine in cases like this its a situation where someone with access to evidence (law enforcement or a casino employee) being sickened by a situation like this and being all too willing to help leak the tape. In short a whistle blower.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1081731]The fact that the public has essentially relied on evidence provided by TMZ to have the league to do the right thing is a problem in and of itself.

In a way it reminds me of the Allies enlisting the help of the Soviets during WW2.



For better or worse it seems TMZ has people who are very good at gathering dirt.

Though I imagine in cases like this its a case of someone with access to evidence (law enforcement or a casino employee) being sickened by a situation like this and being all too willing to help leak the tape.[/quote]


lol truer words have never been typed!

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[quote=Ruhskins;1081729]Looks like the Ravens have had experience sweeping domestic abuse under the table:

[url=http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2014/09/when-will-the-ravens-be-releasing-terrell-suggs/]Why The Ravens Won't Cut Terrell Suggs | Robert Littal Presents BlackSportsOnline[/url][/quote]

And there you go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=Ruhskins;1081729]Looks like the Ravens have had experience sweeping domestic abuse under the table:

[url=http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2014/09/when-will-the-ravens-be-releasing-terrell-suggs/]Why The Ravens Won't Cut Terrell Suggs | Robert Littal Presents BlackSportsOnline[/url][/quote]

In what world do u treat a woman like that? Oh the nfl that's right

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Listening to ESPN Radio apparently TMZ has more info to put out tomorrow as a followup. If true this thing may go even bigger. Of course it is TMZ so we have to wait and see if its real or not

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[quote=Chico23231;1081736]In what world do u treat a woman like that? Oh the nfl that's right[/quote]

But there's no video so i guess its all good. I couldn't open the link but im guessing it's something like the one below.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/15/terrell-suggs-marries-woman-who-accused-him-of-domestic-violence/]Terrell Suggs marries woman who accused him of domestic violence | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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I havent heard a single person mention this on tv or anywhere else,he actually slugs her in the face twice.The first time he just knocks her sideways a little bit and after that first punch is when she gets pissed and rushes at him then he gets in the knockout blow.

I saw a tweet that Harvey Levin from TMZ says he has evidence the NFL had saw the video.Hard to believe the police would withhold the video from them or they couldnt obtain it but TMZ can,total bullshit.I've never had a problem with any commissioners before but I cant stand Goodell,I hope he gets caught in a lie and gets bent over

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The NFL NEVER contacted the casino to request video of Ray Rice brutalizing his fiancee ... TMZ Sports has learned. Commissioner Rodger Goodell made his disciplinary decision in the dark, which raises the question ... Is that the way he wanted it?

Sources connected with the Revel Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City tell TMZ Sports ... NO ONE from the NFL ever asked for the video inside the elevator ... video that was compelling enough to get Rice instantly fired.

Sources who worked at the casino at the time of the incident tell us ... if the NFL had asked for the video, they would have gladly complied.

Without video ... Goodell blindly justified the initial 2-game suspension, based on the only evidence they had -- from the two people in the elevator, who called it mutual combat.

Multiple sources tell TMZ Sports ... the casino made a copy of the elevator surveillance video for police. We're also told Rice's lawyer had a copy of the video, which he got in the criminal case.

An NFL source tells us they requested "any and all information" from law enforcement in the criminal case but got nothing because it was a pending case. But the NFL had other options ... namely going to the casino or Rice's lawyer -- but the NFL never bothered to ask.

BTW ... it may sound crazy for Rice's lawyer to voluntarily hand over the video, but the NFL had a lot of leverage ... in the form of severe penalties if Rice didn't ante up the tape.

So the question ... does the NFL have incompetent investigators, or was it just easier to protect a player and turn a blind eye to video that would have forced Goodell's hand? Both scenarios are pretty disgusting.


Thats on TMZ sports front page.

So did the NFL see the first video of the dragging off the elevator? Sounds like Goodell stance is we didnt want to see the other video because it would force his hand to take a stance. Pretty damn poor by the NFL.

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[quote=Chico23231;1081787]The NFL NEVER contacted the casino to request video of Ray Rice brutalizing his fiancee ... TMZ Sports has learned. Commissioner Rodger Goodell made his disciplinary decision in the dark, which raises the question ... Is that the way he wanted it?

Sources connected with the Revel Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City tell TMZ Sports ... NO ONE from the NFL ever asked for the video inside the elevator ... video that was compelling enough to get Rice instantly fired.

Sources who worked at the casino at the time of the incident tell us ... if the NFL had asked for the video, they would have gladly complied.

Without video ... Goodell blindly justified the initial 2-game suspension, based on the only evidence they had -- from the two people in the elevator, who called it mutual combat.

Multiple sources tell TMZ Sports ... the casino made a copy of the elevator surveillance video for police. We're also told Rice's lawyer had a copy of the video, which he got in the criminal case.

An NFL source tells us they requested "any and all information" from law enforcement in the criminal case but got nothing because it was a pending case. But the NFL had other options ... namely going to the casino or Rice's lawyer -- but the NFL never bothered to ask.

BTW ... it may sound crazy for Rice's lawyer to voluntarily hand over the video, but the NFL had a lot of leverage ... in the form of severe penalties if Rice didn't ante up the tape.

So the question ... does the NFL have incompetent investigators, or was it just easier to protect a player and turn a blind eye to video that would have forced Goodell's hand? Both scenarios are pretty disgusting.


Thats on TMZ sports front page.

So did the NFL see the first video of the dragging off the elevator? Sounds like Goodell stance is we didnt want to see the other video because it would force his hand to take a stance. Pretty damn poor by the NFL.[/quote]

Can the NFL just go ask for that video? The NFL is not the court system.

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[quote=mredskins;1081788]Can the NFL just go ask for that video? The NFL is not the court system.[/quote]

They can ask for the video. They cant subpoena anyone if the answer is no, but they can definitely ask for a copy of it or to see it.

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[quote=mredskins;1081788]Can the NFL just go ask for that video? The NFL is not the court system.[/quote]

The NFL certainly can ask for it. NFL Security has a strong, long standing partnership with the FBI, for the NFL to simply say they didnt see it and werent aware is truely laughable.

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At halftime, they had interviews with some of the Ravens players, and I applaud what Canty said in reference to the news sites showing the video. He said it was disrespectful to Janay in the fact they are forcing her to relive a horrible moment in her life, and that they should show better respect. I actually agree with that.

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I don't get the uproar over the video.
From day one the report was he knocked her out in an elevator, the video shows him knocking her out in an elevator.
What did you guys expect to see?

First and foremost Rice should be in jail.

What was Goodell thinking when he suspended him for 2 games?
The fact that he did not attempt to watch the video of the assault is unbelievable.
Goodell gave him a 2 game suspension, that should be that. I don't understand how they can suspended him again. This isn't new evidence, it's been there available the whole time!!!

I would like Goodell to serve an indefinite ban for his handling of this case.
I hope Rice fights the new suspension but I also hope he ends up in jail and never plays in the NFL again.

F... Ray Rice and Goodell!

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[quote=jamf;1081802]I don't get the uproar over the video.
From day one the report was he knocked her out in an elevator, the video shows him knocking her out in an elevator.
What did you guys expect to see?[/quote]


They were expecting to see her instigating the fight (as she claimed and apologized for) and the video shows otherwise. That's what the uproar is about. (to me)

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Hearing about something and actually seeing it are two different things. Imagine if there was tape of Vick killing dogs? He likely would have had a tougher time getting his 2nd chance.

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[quote=Mattyk;1081807]Hearing about something and actually seeing it are two different things. Imagine if there was tape of Vick killing dogs? He likely would have had a tougher time getting his 2nd chance.[/quote]

I concur with this sentiment as well. It truly is one thing to hear it and another to view it.