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[quote=Schneed10;1103204]And then people are talking about this being same old Allen nepotism... [B][U]ITS AJ SMITH MAKING THIS CALL![/U][/B]

Am I on another planet or something?[/quote]


Is it? How do we know that? We don't know exactly what AJ is going to be doing do we?



I do agree with everybody that thinks that Wade would be a good hire for DC. He would be. It's a smart hire, and one I would make.

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Bill Belichick, one of the most successful coaches in the league, has hired and re-hired people he knows. Everyone in the NFL gets hired because they know someone. I don't understand why is it so hard for people to comprehend this.

That being said, Wade Phillips is one of the best DCs in the NFL. I remember the year he went to Houston and made them into an elite defense on their first year of switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1103194]"Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs."

[B]But, as the kids say, I'm sleep tho[/B][/quote]

Of all the people in the world, you were the last that I expected to say that phrase.

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[quote=Skinzman;1103202]So are you saying that nice guys can succeed or that Wade Phillips will mandate that all of his players skip every practice and become alcoholics?[/quote]

The latter would make for a nice 30 for 30. Smoot make it happen!!

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1103249]Of all the people in the world, you were the last that I expected to say that phrase.[/quote]

Really? Less so than Schneed?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1103251]Really? Less so than Schneed?[/quote]

He was definitely up there on that list, but you just edged him out. Good thing I didn't bet money on it

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1103249]Of all the people in the world, you were the last that I expected to say that phrase.[/quote]

Yup, it be part of my regular litigation repertoire.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1103233]Is it? How do we know that? We don't know exactly what AJ is going to be doing do we?



I do agree with everybody that thinks that Wade would be a good hire for DC. He would be. It's a smart hire, and one I would make.[/quote]

On if the rest of the defensive staff remains in place:

“Coach Gruden is meeting with all of the assistant coaches and he had just been with Jim [Haslett] the last two days specifically and will make those determinations. We will start the defensive coordinator search later today and start exploring some names and bring in some people for interviews [B]but Jay will make those decisions later on.[/B]”

[url=http://realredskins.com/2014/12/31/transcript-bruce-allen-news-conference-12-31-14/]Transcript: Bruce Allen news conference 12.31.14 | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]


I thought Jay was going to pick his DC.

With this odd organizational structure, who knows how decisions are made.

If only we had a real GM . . .

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I can totally understand the argument for wanting to play the process out. For one thing, it doesn't sound like Phillips is meeting with several other teams and there's a bidding war for him. I don't get the argument that Wade is a nice guy and therefore destined to fail here

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If I hear that "if we had a real GM" line one more time.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1103258]If I hear that "if we had a real GM" line one more time.[/quote]

the one I can't stand is we need a new owner...people just need to give up on Snyder selling the team

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1103258]If I hear that "if we had a real GM" line one more time.[/quote]

"real GM" = short hand for someone who knows personnel and has ultimate decision making power = exactly what this franchise has needed = exactly what this fanbase and experts have been calling for for a long time now.

the term "real GM" will not go away until ... (wait for it) ... we get a real GM.

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My initial thought, (in a previous thread) was that Wade is 67 years old and probably doesn't plan to coach for much longer. So, whatever he does to better this defense, he better do it in a hurry and leave it in good hands of whoever takes over for him a year or two. Then again, Dick Lebeau is 77 years old and still coaching the Steelers' defense, so age isn't always a factor.

I understand people wanting the young "up and comer", fresh perspective and blah blah blah. I think that is OK when you obviously have the talent, and depth, to allow a young guy to come in and cut his teeth on coordinating a defense. But this defense, while it has a few pieces, needs help. A guy like Phillips has the proven track record of getting the most out of average, or bad, defenses. Why not bring in someone like him to help turn the defense around, while still adding pieces, and then once Phillips is done coaching, a good up and comer of a DC is coming into a great situation.

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I just hope we send Wale to help convince Wade Phillips to come here like we did with DJax...

Wade Phillips going clubbing was a funny mental image for me...

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1103258]If I hear that "if we had a real GM" line one more time.[/quote]

You are right. We need a "good" GM, not a "real" GM.

Since Bruce still holds both the title and the reins, regardless of what happens with AJ, we'll have to wait at least 358 days to get one.

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[quote=Lotus;1103281]You are right. We need a "good" GM, not a "real" GM.

Since Bruce still holds both the title and the reins, regardless of what happens with AJ, we'll have to wait at least 358 days to get one.[/quote]

I am just gonna start filling up my ignore list. Fun fact up until October of last year, it only had one person on it.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1103294]I am just gonna start filling up my ignore list. Fun fact up until October of last year, it only had one person on it.[/quote]

I am sorry. Since last Monday was not Black enough, it is obvious to me that we are on a slow-motion train wreck.

Obviously this makes me an unpleasant, if reluctant, Debbie Downer.

I'll have to figure out a new approach to the Warpath. Until then, I apologize.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1103252]He was definitely up there on that list, but you just edged him out. Good thing I didn't bet money on it[/quote]

I am pushing it. I am pushing it real good.

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I just don't get the unbelievable stupidity in this thread.

You guys need to keep your day jobs, because if you're not hiring based on the most impressive resume, then you're not a good fit for any manager position anywhere, let alone one in football.

This stuff about Wade Phillips being old boy network and old and an inadequate motivator as compared with a Ken Norton - who's resume looks exactly like that of any average LB coach in the NFL - is utter gibberish. Stop flapping your gums.

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[quote=Schneed10;1103300]

This stuff about Wade Phillips being old boy network and old and an inadequate motivator as compared with a Ken Norton - who's resume looks exactly like that of any average LB coach in the NFL - is utter gibberish. Stop flapping your gums.[/quote]

Good point , can you post both resume's ,so we can compare ?

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[quote=Giantone;1103302]Good point , can you post both resume's ,so we can compare ?[/quote]

If you can't find their track records on the internet yourself - since Wade's is discussed ad nauseam by Keim, the WP, etc. etc. - then you don't have any business discussing informatively here.

This is Redskins Discussion for the Knowledgeable Fan.

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[quote=Schneed10;1103300]I just don't get the unbelievable stupidity in this thread.

You guys need to keep your day jobs, because if you're not hiring based on the most impressive resume, then you're not a good fit for any manager position anywhere, let alone one in football.

This stuff about Wade Phillips being old boy network and old and an inadequate motivator as compared with a Ken Norton - who's resume looks exactly like that of any average LB coach in the NFL - is utter gibberish. Stop flapping your gums.[/quote]

You're completely missing the point. Sometimes in business, and in football, it's about taking a risk on someone...and not about who's got the longest resume. Chip Kelly never coached in the NFL but brought new ideas to the NFL. Phillips would be a fine hire. I wouldn't complain. No one is beating his door down but that's besides the point. My point with Norton was he might bring new ideas to the table, like maybe teaching our undisciplined defense the rugby tackling techniques that Seattle uses. But Wade's got the resume so that means he's automatically the best guy for the job!

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And sometimes there's nothing wrong with going with the most well qualified candidate. Winning isn't all about taking chances.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1103310]You're completely missing the point. Sometimes in business, and in football, it's about taking a risk on someone...and not about who's got the longest resume. Chip Kelly never coached in the NFL but brought new ideas to the NFL. Phillips would be a fine hire. I wouldn't complain. No one is beating his door down but that's besides the point. My point with Norton was he might bring new ideas to the table, like maybe teaching our undisciplined defense the rugby tackling techniques that Seattle uses. But Wade's got the resume so that means he's automatically the best guy for the job![/quote]

Well given that his resume says he's made drastic improvements in yards and points allowed IN HIS FIRST YEAR ON THE JOB in several places, how can you argue with the resume??

I can't even believe I'm entertaining this conversation.

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[quote=Lotus;1103298]I am sorry. Since last Monday was not Black enough, it is obvious to me that we are on a slow-motion train wreck.

Obviously this makes me an unpleasant, if reluctant, Debbie Downer.

I'll have to figure out a new approach to the Warpath. Until then, I apologize.[/quote]

It's not you, you are actually one of my favorite posters on here.

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[quote=Schneed10;1103312]Well given that his resume says he's made drastic improvements in yards and points allowed IN HIS FIRST YEAR ON THE JOB in several places, how can you argue with the resume??

I can't even believe I'm entertaining this conversation.[/quote]

I would just prefer that we find the next Wade Phillips. Dude is 67 years old. But as I said, it's a solid, safe hire.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1103314]It's not you, you are actually one of my favorite posters on here.[/quote]

Well thanks, Quake, I like you, too.

But I really am in Debbie Downer-land and will be so until the cancer Bruce Allen no longer calls Redskins Park home. I need to watch what I say here.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1103320]I would just prefer that we find the next Wade Phillips. Dude is 67 years old. But as I said, it's a solid, safe hire.[/quote]

This is one of the things i was concerned about, and wanted to mention, without sounding discriminatory. I was just thinking along the lines of how long could he stay here when he is already close to 70? My feelings are that we need a guy who is here for the long haul.

Wade is a solid, safe hire, that could easily coach into his 70's. Just figured that maybe the skins were thinking they could get younger, vs again trying to hire an already big name, established veteran coach.

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[quote=Schneed10;1103303]If you can't find their track records on the internet yourself - since Wade's is discussed ad nauseam by Keim, the WP, etc. etc. - then you don't have any business discussing informatively here.

This is Redskins Discussion for the Knowledgeable Fan.[/quote]

Go to post #1, hit the links .

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One thing about the established name vs young up and comer. Which is more likely of a scenario assuming both guys actually turn the defense around?

a) the established name leaving after 3 years

or

b) the up and comer leaving after 3 years?

Again, Let's pretend that both guys turn the defense around, so that our defense doesn't cost us games. Our special teams is average, so it doesn't really win or lose games. So our offense, which was up and down would bear the brunt of win/losses.

Scenario 1) team struggles as a whole, and no real positives happen: we still flounder with 6-8 wins for the next 2 years, then we are throwing out the whole scheme, either the up and comer or the established guy might get interim, but likely we go a whole new direction with a whole new staff.

Scenario 2) team improves and makes serious playoff noise: Maybe the up and comer lights it up, but Gruden does enough so he sticks around, and the up and comer gets offers from other teams. He leaves. How many other teams are looking for a HC who hasn't succeeded in the past?

I guess what I am pointing out that if the DC that is hired succeeds, than WP has as much if not more of a chance of sticking around for a while than any young up and comer who would basically be licking his chops at a HC job, and isn't it even possible that he would be eyeing Gruden's position which opens a whole different can of worms.

All I want is the hire to be someone who can effectively run a defense, but things like age, or up and comer status, really should not even be in the discussion, because 3 years in the NFL is an eternity for coaching staffs.

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[quote=Lotus;1103324]Well thanks, Quake, I like you, too.

But I really am in Debbie Downer-land and will be so until the cancer Bruce Allen no longer calls Redskins Park home. I need to watch what I say here.[/quote]

Redskin man love alert.....

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1103333]One thing about the established name vs young up and comer. Which is more likely of a scenario assuming both guys actually turn the defense around?

a) the established name leaving after 3 years

or

b) the up and comer leaving after 3 years?

Again, Let's pretend that both guys turn the defense around, so that our defense doesn't cost us games. Our special teams is average, so it doesn't really win or lose games. So our offense, which was up and down would bear the brunt of win/losses.

Scenario 1) team struggles as a whole, and no real positives happen: we still flounder with 6-8 wins for the next 2 years, then we are throwing out the whole scheme, either the up and comer or the established guy might get interim, but likely we go a whole new direction with a whole new staff.

Scenario 2) team improves and makes serious playoff noise: Maybe the up and comer lights it up, but Gruden does enough so he sticks around, and the up and comer gets offers from other teams. He leaves. How many other teams are looking for a HC who hasn't succeeded in the past?

I guess what I am pointing out that if the DC that is hired succeeds, than WP has as much if not more of a chance of sticking around for a while than any young up and comer who would basically be licking his chops at a HC job, and isn't it even possible that he would be eyeing Gruden's position which opens a whole different can of worms.

All I want is the hire to be someone who can effectively run a defense, but things like age, or up and comer status, really should not even be in the discussion, because 3 years in the NFL is an eternity for coaching staffs.[/quote]

If a new DC comes in and turns our defense into a top 5 D within the next year or two, he should be offered a HC position.

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[quote=Lotus;1103324]Well thanks, Quake, I like you, too.

But I really am in Debbie Downer-land and will be so until the cancer Bruce Allen no longer calls Redskins Park home. I need to watch what I say here.[/quote]

Its been a tough year on all of us.

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IF you think that hiring Wade Phillips would be a mistake …you have no business talking football at all…If Dan Snyder has any football intellect at all He should have already hired Wade!!

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Dan......does not do the hiring
But I would agree, WP would be a solid asset to the team

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I just learned that our tight ends coach is Wade's son.

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you are correct......

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WP is a 2 year maybe 3 year "good" bandaid and I sure hope KN Jr will be available when that time comes.

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People are talking about Wade Phillips like we are signing a 38 year old CB to a 5 year deal

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Dan does not do the hiring??…lord have mercy ..there is hope! Well let's put it another way..Dan hired the guy that does the hiring according to who Dan likes….that's more like it!