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No surprise if Jameis is taken #1...whether its tampa bay or someone else at #1.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1103676]Editing my previous statement: Good news because teams with QB needs will hopefully want to trade up to #5. That's it.[/quote]

That, and at least two of the four teams ahead of us might be looking at drafting a QB, leaving more options for us.

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IMO Winston's windup throwing motion alone knocks him out of the top ten at least and maybe the top 20. Just like Tebow's mechanics caused him to slide.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1103384]It looks like 7 offensive tackles in the first round ..... I trade down and take one. The mock drafts vary widely, for example Ronnie Stanley is a late first in the CBS mock, and top 5 in other draft forecasts.

I like the TE from Notre Dame in the 3rd or 4th if he lasts that long.

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1893200/ben-koyack]Ben Koyack, TE, Notre Dame, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url][/quote]

[url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-notre-dame-ronnie-stanley-return--20150113-story.html]Notre Dame tackle Ronnie Stanley to return for senior seasoin - Chicago Tribune[/url]

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My Future safety tandem...
Clayton Geathers
Derron Smith

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1104702]My Future safety tandem...
Clayton Geathers
Derron Smith[/quote]

With the right coaching I wouldn't be mad at that.

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[URL="http://www.hogshaven.com/2015/1/17/7628635/brandon-scherff-beast-mode"]http://http://www.hogshaven.com/2015/1/17/7628635/brandon-scherff-beast-mode[/URL]

I know we probably wont get this guy with 5 but this is the attitude we need on our line.....

Love this guy.

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[quote=Kope;1105202][URL="http://www.hogshaven.com/2015/1/17/7628635/brandon-scherff-beast-mode"]http://http://www.hogshaven.com/2015/1/17/7628635/brandon-scherff-beast-mode[/URL]

I know we probably wont get this guy with 5 but this is the attitude we need on our line.....

Love this guy.[/quote] I've watched this guy for a few years now. He's very talented. The problem with him is that he's not RT. I think he's more of a OG. At the position there is a abundance of talent that will be available early in the second round.

One way or the other one thing I think we really need to focus on in the next two drafts is improving in the trenches on both sides of the ball. We need to start putting high picks on that defensive front and offensive line. If we can run the ball and get after the passer constantly we'll be a playoff team. If not we're going to keep having these up and down seasons.

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[quote=redskinsfan1980;1105212]I've watched this guy for a few years now. He's very talented. The problem with him is that he's not RT. I think he's more of a OG. At the position there is a abundance of talent that will be available early in the second round.

One way or the other one thing I think we really need to focus on in the next two drafts is improving in the trenches on both sides of the ball. We need to start putting high picks on that defensive front and offensive line. If we can run the ball and get after the passer constantly we'll be a playoff team. If not we're going to keep having these up and down seasons.[/quote]

Don't you mean down and down seasons, it's rear that we have up and down seasons.

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trade down and take Maxx Williams.... the next Gronkowski

[url=http://draftbreakdown.com/video/maxx-williams-vs-missouri-2014/]Maxx Williams vs Missouri (2014) | Draft Breakdown[/url]

Also an interesting big board:

[url=http://draftbreakdown.com/jon-doves-pre-senior-bowl-big-board/]Jon Dove’s Pre-Senior Bowl Big Board | Draft Breakdown[/url]

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[quote=Irrefutable;1105215]trade down and take Maxx Williams.... the next Gronkowski

[url=http://draftbreakdown.com/video/maxx-williams-vs-missouri-2014/]Maxx Williams vs Missouri (2014) | Draft Breakdown[/url]

Also an interesting big board:

[url=http://draftbreakdown.com/jon-doves-pre-senior-bowl-big-board/]Jon Dove’s Pre-Senior Bowl Big Board | Draft Breakdown[/url][/quote]

This Jon dove breakdown is really good. Agree with what he says of Leonard Williams (he does disappear) and randy Gregory (I think he has the biggest bust potential outside of marriota if picked top 10).

To me, I really am intrigued by Shane Ray and Vic Beasley.

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[quote=Chico23231;1105218]This Jon dove breakdown is really good. Agree with what he says of Leonard Williams (he does disappear) and randy Gregory (I think he has the biggest bust potential outside of marriota if picked top 10).

To me, I really am intrigued by Shane Ray and Vic Beasley.[/quote]

I have to disagree with you about this Big Board. I think this guy is just acting like a contrarian while hoping to get lucky and show everyone how smart he (thinks he) is.

For goodness sakes, he doesn't even have Gregory in his top 32. That is downright ridiculous. Most true experts have Gregory in their top 5. The only reason he gives is that Gregory lacks strength. Well, he may lack strength now but he's going to get bigger and stronger as a pro because he has the frame for it. Also, you can't teach length or speed. Plus Gregory possesses rare athleticism and football instincts. He's going to be a star, IMO.

I know you like Beasley, and he was an outstanding college player, but I think that he is just too small to be effective as an edge rusher in the NFL. On the other hand, there is a lot of room for debate on Shane Ray vs. Gregory. I think both of them will be good pros.

OK, I get Winston at #1 on his board but he failed to mention Winston's wind-up delivery which will hurt him as a pro or to give proper consideration to Winston's immaturity.

I can also see some of his issues with Mariotta, but I can't imagine him falling as far as this guy thinks he should.

What his board does reinforce in my mind is the idea that we could trade down and get a very good OL in the 10-15 range. Then, if we wanted to do so, we could either trade back up into the first round for another very good player or simply stay put and use our two second round picks.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1105220]I have to disagree with you about this Big Board. I think this guy is just acting like a contrarian while hoping to get lucky and show everyone how smart he (thinks he) is.

For goodness sakes, he doesn't even have Gregory in his top 32. That is downright ridiculous. Most true experts have Gregory in their top 5. The only reason he gives is that Gregory lacks strength. Well, he may lack strength now but he's going to get bigger and stronger as a pro because he has the frame for it. Also, you can't teach length or speed. Plus Gregory possesses rare athleticism and football instincts. He's going to be a star, IMO.

I know you like Beasley, and he was an outstanding college player, but I think that he is just too small to be effective as an edge rusher in the NFL. On the other hand, there is a lot of room for debate on Shane Ray vs. Gregory. I think both of them will be good pros.

OK, I get Winston at #1 on his board but he failed to mention Winston's wind-up delivery which will hurt him as a pro or to give proper consideration to Winston's immaturity.

I can also see some of his issues with Mariotta, but I can't imagine him falling as far as this guy thinks he should.

What his board does reinforce in my mind is the idea that we could trade down and get a very good OL in the 10-15 range. Then, if we wanted to do so, we could either trade back up into the first round for another very good player or simply stay put and use our two second round picks.[/quote]

I agree with everything you said except IMO Mariota will slide into the late-teens or twenties.

Any GM who takes Winston #1 should be fired on the spot.

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[quote=Lotus;1105225]I agree with everything you said except IMO Mariota will slide into the late-teens or twenties.

[B]Any GM who takes Winston #1 should be fired on the spot.[/B][/quote]

Unless the team owner told him to do it. In that case, if Winston is a bust, then the owner can conveniently forget that he told the GM to pick Winston and fire the GM later.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1105230]Unless the team owner told him to do it. In that case, if Winston is a bust, then the owner can conveniently forget that he told the GM to pick Winston and fire the GM later.[/quote]

:) Then my argument still holds. Mercy firing - go ahead and get it over with. :)

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1105220]I have to disagree with you about this Big Board. I think this guy is just acting like a contrarian while hoping to get lucky and show everyone how smart he (thinks he) is.

For goodness sakes, he doesn't even have Gregory in his top 32. That is downright ridiculous. Most true experts have Gregory in their top 5. The only reason he gives is that Gregory lacks strength. Well, he may lack strength now but he's going to get bigger and stronger as a pro because he has the frame for it. Also, you can't teach length or speed. Plus Gregory possesses rare athleticism and football instincts. He's going to be a star, IMO.

I know you like Beasley, and he was an outstanding college player, but I think that he is just too small to be effective as an edge rusher in the NFL. On the other hand, there is a lot of room for debate on Shane Ray vs. Gregory. I think both of them will be good pros.

OK, I get Winston at #1 on his board but he failed to mention Winston's wind-up delivery which will hurt him as a pro or to give proper consideration to Winston's immaturity.

I can also see some of his issues with Mariotta, but I can't imagine him falling as far as this guy thinks he should.

What his board does reinforce in my mind is the idea that we could trade down and get a very good OL in the 10-15 range. Then, if we wanted to do so, we could either trade back up into the first round for another very good player or simply stay put and use our two second round picks.[/QUOTE]
Is it right that there are no safeties worth a high first round grade or is he skewed toward pass rush in his evals?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1105233]Is it right that there are no safeties worth a high first round grade or is he skewed toward pass rush in his evals?[/quote]

top 16 safeties, like OGs or Cs, aren't very common, since colleges generally use the players that are too small to play linebacker and too slow to play corner.

collins (underclassman) is #7 on cbs's board (SS), followed by prewitt (FS) at #52. pretty big gap. if whoever wasn't grading underclassman, than collins wouldn't show up.

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[quote=Lotus;1105225]I agree with everything you said except IMO Mariota will slide into the late-teens or twenties.

Any GM who takes Winston #1 should be fired on the spot.[/quote]
I strongly disagree with you on Winston. He's going to be a good qb. All he needs is a year on the bench to learn.

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[quote=redskinsfan1980;1105415]I strongly disagree with you on Winston. He's going to be a good qb. All he needs is a year on the bench to learn.[/quote]

His windup is a killer. You can get away with a windup like that in college but not in the pros, as Tebow taught us. Winston's not gonna lose that in a year.

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[quote=Lotus;1105430]His windup is a killer. You can get away with a windup like that in college but not in the pros, as Tebow taught us. Winston's not gonna lose that in a year.[/quote] His release is not a problem in my opinion. He can work on that. Based on what I've seen, he's sees the field really good, he's accurate, good arm strength, and has some mobility. I think if he gets a year to watch he'll come out good right away.

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[quote=redskinsfan1980;1105493]His release is not a problem in my opinion. He can work on that. Based on what I've seen, he's sees the field really good, he's accurate, good arm strength, and has some mobility. I think if he gets a year to watch he'll come out good right away.[/quote]

If, in your words, he needs to "work on" something as important as "his release," you don't draft him #1 overall. His "work" has to drop his stock at least some. And this was the discussion above: not whether he is a good QB but whether he is worthy to take at #1.

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[quote=Lotus;1105499]If, in your words, he needs to "work on" something as important as "his release," you don't draft him #1 overall. His "work" has to drop his stock at least some. And this was the discussion above: not whether he is a good QB but whether he is worthy to take at #1.[/quote]

If I am Tampa Bay I absolutely take him at #1 and don't think twice about it.

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[quote=That Guy;1105414]top 16 safeties, like OGs or Cs, aren't very common, since colleges generally use the players that are too small to play linebacker and too slow to play corner.

collins (underclassman) is #7 on cbs's board (SS), followed by prewitt (FS) at #52. pretty big gap. if whoever wasn't grading underclassman, than collins wouldn't show up.[/quote]

Thanks

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1105506]If I am Tampa Bay I absolutely take him at #1 and don't think twice about it.[/quote]

You don't see a Tebow parallel in terms of mechanics?

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[quote=Lotus;1105511]You don't see a Tebow parallel in terms of mechanics?[/quote]

No, I really don't, plus Tebow was so inaccurate, Winston, has that accuracy that Tebow did not, and he can read defenses way better than Tebow could have.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1105552]No, I really don't, plus Tebow was so inaccurate, Winston, has that accuracy that Tebow did not, and he can read defenses way better than Tebow could have.[/quote]

Well, ok, fair enough. I agree with you on the accuracy part.

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Sounds like nose tackle Danny Shelton has really been impressing at the Senior Bowl practices. Might be just the guy we need down the middle to have success with the 3-4. Love Leonard Williams, but he's more of an end.

Thoughts on Shelton?

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[quote=SirLK26;1105896]Sounds like nose tackle Danny Shelton has really been impressing at the Senior Bowl practices. Might be just the guy we need down the middle to have success with the 3-4. Love Leonard Williams, but he's more of an end.

Thoughts on Shelton?[/quote]

Dontari Poe 2.0, freakishly athletic for a man his size and really strong, would love to have him

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DNot really know him, like what I'm hearing. Defensive tackle probably the most underrated position in the game, would love to have a young dominant one for once.

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[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2339443-senior-bowl-2015-draft-scouting-and-observations-from-day-3#articles/2339443-senior-bowl-2015-draft-scouting-and-observations-from-day-3]Senior Bowl 2015: Draft Scouting and Observations from Day 3 | Bleacher Report[/url]

Sorry to post something from BR, but it is Matt Bowen and he is solid.

Here is day 2, [url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2338279-senior-bowl-2015-draft-scouting-and-observations-from-day-2#articles/2338279-senior-bowl-2015-draft-scouting-and-observations-from-day-2]Senior Bowl 2015: Draft Scouting and Observations from Day 2 | Bleacher Report[/url]

My level of excitment for the draft is the highest since we drafted RG3 and now that we have a legit personel guy, Im expecting some compentency this year.

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Looks like the names that keep coming up from the senior bowl :

Lakin Tomlinson, OG, Duke : [url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000462294/article/mayock-dukes-laken-tomlinson-starred-at-senior-bowl]Mayock: Duke's Laken Tomlinson starred at Senior Bowl - NFL.com[/url]

Cody Prewitt, S, Ole Miss: [url=http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/front-office-insider-cody-prewitt-not-the-only-one-helping-himself-at-the-senior-bowl-012215]Senior Bowl roundup: Cody Prewitt not the only one helping himself with NFL teams before draft | FOX Sports[/url]

Both these guys have been on my radar through the season


Some more on the 2 fat guys at DT: [url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24982063/senior-bowl-carl-davis-danny-shelton-show-power-in-the-pit]2015 Senior Bowl: Carl Davis, Danny Shelton show power in the pit - CBSSports.com[/url]

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I have read several reports on the Senior bowl practices, most of them contradict each other - I do not know who to believe.

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[quote=Lotus;1105430]His windup is a killer. You can get away with a windup like that in college but not in the pros, as Tebow taught us. Winston's not gonna lose that in a year.[/quote]

I can't believe you're putting Baby Jesus and Winston in the same sentence. What you're forgetting to mention is Winston actually throws w/ great anticipation. He makes all of the throws with ease. You can't teach the talent he has. He's a passer first and not a thrower.

It's going to come down to whether or not he can grow the F up and act like a pro. I'd have no problem taking him, sitting him for a year and let him learn the ropes.

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[url=http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/1/23/7877005/senior-bowl-stock-report-nfl-draft]Senior Bowl NFL Draft stock report: Who helped themselves in Mobile? - SBNation.com[/url]

latest reports...is Scot McC out there?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1105948]I can't believe you're putting Baby Jesus and Winston in the same sentence. What you're forgetting to mention is Winston actually throws w/ great anticipation. He makes all of the throws with ease. You can't teach the talent he has. He's a passer first and not a thrower.

It's going to come down to whether or not he can grow the F up and act like a pro. I'd have no problem taking him, sitting him for a year and let him learn the ropes.[/quote]



You take him #1 overall, he is not gonna sit.

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Winston will go number one to Tampa..after that all bets are off..IF Winston is there at 5 Redskins could do a lot worse by picking him..I would for sure..WE do not have a QB on the team that can lead us to more than 8 wins ..that is why in a earlier post I said i would be happy if we get 8 wins next year..Every team that made the playoffs this year has either a great qb or above average..look at Arizona..no QB ..no chance!!

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[quote=rocnrik;1105966]Winston will go number one to Tampa..after that all bets are off..IF Winston is there at 5 Redskins could do a lot worse by picking him..I would for sure..WE do not have a QB on the team that can lead us to more than 8 wins ..that is why in a earlier post I said i would be happy if we get 8 wins next year..Every team that made the playoffs this year has either a great qb or above average..look at Arizona..no QB ..no chance!![/quote] I'm not ready to give up on RG3 or Kirk Cousins. We need to get a better defense, offensive line, and two big wrs. The biggest problems both of them had last year was that they had to win games instead of manage them. RG3 has some mechanical issues and problems seeing the field. These are some things that can be corrected as he gets more comfortable as a pocket passer. Kirk Cousins has the skill set he just needs a defense as wr more suited for the WCO.


We need some warriors on our fronts. We can take a DL, OL, or LB. But we have to address one or all three of those positions.

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Disagree- I wouldn't touch him with a 10' pole because of character issues. Need to build o-line to protect a qb. this has been stated over and over again......



[quote=rocnrik;1105966]Winston will go number one to Tampa..after that all bets are off..IF Winston is there at 5 Redskins could do a lot worse by picking him..I would for sure..WE do not have a QB on the team that can lead us to more than 8 wins ..that is why in a earlier post I said i would be happy if we get 8 wins next year..Every team that made the playoffs this year has either a great qb or above average..look at Arizona..no QB ..no chance!![/quote]

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[quote=VTSkins1961;1105971]Disagree- I wouldn't touch him with a 10' pole because of character issues. Need to build o-line to protect a qb. this has been stated over and over again......[/quote]
Exactly. We have to build up in the trenches. We got a lot of pretenders on the OL and DL. The thing is we need interior line help more than anything. On the DL we don't have no one difference maker. We got to stock pile this team with young talent on both fronts.

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[url]http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/nfl-draft-watch--senior-bowl-players-who-helped--hurt-themselves-194300834.html[/url]

Wrap up of the senior bowl practices and prospect analysis.