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[quote=DynamiteRave;1112853]I've pretty much lost all hope in McRib. He hasn't shown any sort of promise. And God help him if he shows up to training camp completely out of shape again.[/quote]

I have lost hope in him too. i just listed him because he is still on the roster. But he is not a mauler-type that we want.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1112860]LT: Williams
LG: Long/Moses
C: Lich
RG: Lauvao
RT: Scherff

Don't remember what show specifically, but [B]I heard in 980 that they believe Lauvao's best spot is at RG. [/B]

I hope this becomes a very good offensive line that can create a dominant running game, creating a team less dependent on the passing game.

If we become a run first team, a lot of pressure will be off whoever is at QB. Hopefully we can pull wins like Seattle does, where their QB only has to throw the ball 15-16 times a game.[/quote]

I wondered that myself last year. Lauvao seems more of a RG than LG but we did not have someone better to play LG.
There are certain O-lineman that are incredibly better at one particular position than the others. in fact they could suck at all the other 4 positions but be really good at one.
I beginning to get the impression that is the case with Morgan Moses and the Left tackle position. At UVA he was a not so good RT, but then his senior year UVA moved him to LT and he blossomed. Last season he struggled at RT for us.
I wonder in a very hypothetical situation IF (and that is a big IF) Morgan Moses can be mentored enough and given more of a chance to play LT more that he could become a good NFL LT.

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[quote=Schneed10;1112809]I do think Kouandjio takes out Lauvao as long as Kouandjio is healthy. I think Chester holds off Long somehow and keeps his job. I think Long will be a disappointment all said and done.

McLeRib gets cut in training camp.[/quote]

What have you seen, heard, or read about Long that makes you think he will be a bust?

I haven't seen any articles talking about how he is a lock to start; but I haven't seen anything negative since his draft evaluations.

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[quote=Defensewins;1112861]I have lost hope in him too. i just listed him because he is still on the roster. But he is not a mauler-type that we want.[/quote]

didn't they trade up to get McRib, a player no one had rated as a 3rd round pick

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/redskins-pick-smu-guard-josh-leribeus/2012/04/27/gIQAugyhmT_story.html]Redskins pick SMU guard Josh LeRibeus - The Washington Post[/url]

No they didn't (thank goodness), and nobody had him rated that high including McRib himself.

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I think Spencer Long fits with what McC is trying to build on the OL, he also has a streak of Nastiness and ornery.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/spencer-long?id=2543620]Spencer Long Draft Profile – NFL.com[/url]

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I have no idea what the line will eventually look like. Wayyyy too many variables.

What I hope it looks like is:
LT - T. Williams
LG - Kouanjdio
C - Lichtensteiger
RG - Long
RT - Scherff
Swing Tackle/First man up: Moses

If this is the starting set by the end of the year, [I]and[/I] they are starters by merit not injury, we just went a long way to reestablishing trench dominance in a two year span. [I][B]IF[/B][/I] that group can be starters, and we extend TW so he is with us to the end of his career, we will become serious playoff contenders b/c that group can be here for a loonnggg time (relatively speaking).

Backups: Luavo (He's an average starter at best; on the other hand, he is quality relief); LeRib (as back-up Center/relief Guard); Compton (back-up swing T, mostly depth, lots of inactives).
Gone: Chester, Polumbus.

More than any other position grouping, OL is dependent on and improves with familiarity. Look at the historically great lines, they generally came together quickly, in a year or three (which is why Dallas' O-Line is particularly scary - damn them!). In 1981, the Skins drafted Mark May and Russ Grimm (two guards in the 1st and 3rd rounds respectively) and found Joe Jacoby as a UFDA (in the era of the 12 round draft). Jeff Bostic had joined the Skins in '80. Those four guys were the basis of the Hogs throughout the Skins' Super Bowl era. While it is probably too much to ask for lightning to strike twice, how sweet would it be if my top six were here as a group for the next 5-6 years and we could then plug in replacements as needed (like the Hogs did with Reggie McKenzie, Jim Lachey, Ray Brown, Ed "bubblebutt" Simmons).

Dare to dream. Dare ... to ... Dream.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1112864]What have you seen, heard, or read about Long that makes you think he will be a bust?

I haven't seen any articles talking about how he is a lock to start; but I haven't seen anything negative since his draft evaluations.[/quote]

Nothing recent. I'm drawing off three things:

1) Lauvao and Chester started all last season, who both were not very good, and Long never sniffed a starting spot. Foerster said at the time that he wasn't going to just throw the rookies in there, they're making too many mistakes in practice to be trusted in games.

2) Long was overdrafted. Most draft analysts (admittedly, for what they're worth) had him graded as a 5th round prospect.

3) That was a Bruce Allen draft operation, so I immediately question anybody drafted by the team at the time, fair or unfair. Maybe Long is one of the rare exceptions, but over the last five years we've found jack squat in the lower rounds. If it were McLoughan putting his stamp of approval on it, I'd feel much different. Reputation matters.

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[quote=Schneed10;1112891]
2) Long was overdrafted. Most draft analysts (admittedly, for what they're worth) had him graded as a 5th round prospect.[/quote]


Overview

Native Nebraskan. Walked on and redshirted in 2009. Did not see action in '10. Stepped into the lineup in '11, starting all 13 games at right guard. Played through a torn right meniscus in '12, starting all 14 games at RG. In '13, started the first six games at RG before tearing his right MCL against Purdue and undergoing season-ending surgery and did not work out at the NFL Scouting Combine because of it (medical exclusion). Elected not to lift at the combine because of an appendectomy. Team captain.
Analysis
Strengths
Very solidly built with a good frame. Good leg drive -- can create a push in the run game and position-sustain. Solid in pass protection -- good anchor, shadow and mirror. Good base and balance -- controls and steers defenders. Flashes some nastiness. Intense, competitive battler. Smart and instinctive. Lunchpail worker will do a lot of extras and is very ambitious and driven to succeed. Excellent weight-room strength -- can squat a small house. Good versatility -- has played inside and outside. Very tough and played much of final two seasons through knee injuries. Possessed the biggest hands of any offensive lineman at the combine.
Weaknesses
Average athlete. Is tight-ankled and heavy-legged -- lumbers to the second level. Struggled with the quickness of Minnesota's Ra'shede Hageman (though he was noticeably playing through a knee injury that required surgery and forced him to miss the rest of the season after leaving the Minnesota game). Labors to cut off the inside rush. Struggles to adjust and pick off linebackers and is not efficient pulling and trapping.
[B]Draft Projection[/B]
[B]Rounds 3-4[/B]
[B]Bottom Line
Big, tough, physical, ornery blocker with starter-quality positional traits and intangible qualities.[/B] Is best in a phone booth, where he excels as a run and pass blocker, and is smart and savvy enough to contribute outside in emergency situations.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1112897]Overview

Native Nebraskan. Walked on and redshirted in 2009. Did not see action in '10. Stepped into the lineup in '11, starting all 13 games at right guard. Played through a torn right meniscus in '12, starting all 14 games at RG. In '13, started the first six games at RG before tearing his right MCL against Purdue and undergoing season-ending surgery and did not work out at the NFL Scouting Combine because of it (medical exclusion). Elected not to lift at the combine because of an appendectomy. Team captain.
Analysis
Strengths
Very solidly built with a good frame. Good leg drive -- can create a push in the run game and position-sustain. Solid in pass protection -- good anchor, shadow and mirror. Good base and balance -- controls and steers defenders. Flashes some nastiness. Intense, competitive battler. Smart and instinctive. Lunchpail worker will do a lot of extras and is very ambitious and driven to succeed. Excellent weight-room strength -- can squat a small house. Good versatility -- has played inside and outside. Very tough and played much of final two seasons through knee injuries. Possessed the biggest hands of any offensive lineman at the combine.
Weaknesses
Average athlete. Is tight-ankled and heavy-legged -- lumbers to the second level. Struggled with the quickness of Minnesota's Ra'shede Hageman (though he was noticeably playing through a knee injury that required surgery and forced him to miss the rest of the season after leaving the Minnesota game). Labors to cut off the inside rush. Struggles to adjust and pick off linebackers and is not efficient pulling and trapping.
[B]Draft Projection[/B]
[B]Rounds 3-4[/B]
[B]Bottom Line
Big, tough, physical, ornery blocker with starter-quality positional traits and intangible qualities.[/B] Is best in a phone booth, where he excels as a run and pass blocker, and is smart and savvy enough to contribute outside in emergency situations.[/quote]

Yeah CBS was the highest. Kiper McShay and Mayock all had him lower.

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Still, no doubt that Long is more suited to a power scheme. That could be the reason he couldn't crack the starting lineup in last year's zone heavy format.

Like I said, it's all about who can adapt to Callahan.

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[quote=Schneed10;1112900]Yeah CBS was the highest. Kiper McShay and Mayock all had him lower.[/quote]

That was nfl.com

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I would love to see

T. Williams. Scherff. Kory L Moses/Long/ Kouandjio La'el Collins

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If cleared of all charges

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1112782]Jacoby never played G. He moved to RT when we traded for LT Jim Lachey.[/quote]

Jacoby did play Guard...1992...I saw him do it!

[U][url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JacoJo00.htm]Joe Jacoby NFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url][/U]

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[quote=Bangee7;1112920]Jacoby did play Guard...1992...I saw him do it!

[U][url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JacoJo00.htm]Joe Jacoby NFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url][/U][/quote]

OK, then. I didn't remember that.

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Two separate reports indicate folks within the organization think Moses might transition to guard and are going to try him out there.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/17039/redskins-offensive-line-breakdown-where-will-morgan-moses-play]Washington Redskins offensive line: Where will Morgan Moses play? - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2015/05/05/redskins-mailbag-why-brandon-scherff-was-picked-instead-of-leonard-williams-and-more-draft-reaction/]Mailbag: Why Redskins picked Brandon Scherff instead of Leonard Williams, and more draft reaction - The Washington Post[/url]

I really can't get over the possibility that a 6'6" 330lb guy might not be "physical enough" to play on the inside (per Jones).

I don't think we would have drafted a guy like that this year.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1112868]I think Spencer Long fits with what McC is trying to build on the OL, he also has a streak of Nastiness and ornery.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/spencer-long?id=2543620]Spencer Long Draft Profile – NFL.com[/url][/quote]

Long couldn't beat out Chester which tells me he isn't very good. I assume guard is his natural position cause when Polumbus was benched he still wasn't put in. He's obviously a big strong guy and all but that doesn't make him a good NFL player. Hopefully he shows up this year.

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Trent-Lauvao-Kory-Moses-Schreff

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[quote=skinsfan69;1112928]Long couldn't beat out Chester which tells me he isn't very good. I assume guard is his natural position cause when Polumbus was benched he still wasn't put in. He's obviously a big strong guy and all but that doesn't make him a good NFL player. Hopefully he shows up this year.[/quote]

Being a rookie coming back from a knee injury on your 1st NFL season doesn't bode well on him. Let's judge him after this year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1112928]Long couldn't beat out Chester which tells me he isn't very good. I assume guard is his natural position cause when Polumbus was benched he still wasn't put in. He's obviously a big strong guy and all but that doesn't make him a good NFL player. Hopefully he shows up this year.[/quote]

Or maybe somebody was playing favorites and starting someone who shouldn't have been starting

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[quote=SmootSmack;1112949]Or maybe somebody was playing favorites and starting someone who shouldn't have been starting[/quote]

:puke:

Im so happy Callahan is here. Done with this stupidity within the organization. Never know, Callahan could be the future HC

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I would love to see the guys we drafted last year take a big step under Calahan. I also would rather have Moses blow it up at RT and move Schreff inside. I would rather him be the best guard in the league than a mid-level tackle.

That would make my line:
TW, Long or Kouandijo, Litch, Schreff, Moses

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I'm done watching Chester play pitty pat hopefully. Anyone at RG would have to be better it would seem. Whoever can't beat out Chester at RG should be cut.

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BTW I wouldn't expect a great deal from Moses. He's not starting at RT...he's not. We drafted a guy to do that. At best his foot is miraculously healed enough for him to compete and then maybe he miraculously changes his playing style to be more suited to G. That's two miracles all at once. Not buying it. He's a keep-around guy for development and insurance/depth at T at this point.

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In fairness to S. Long , he was coming off of knee surgery . He also underwent an appendectomy last year just prior to the combine .

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[quote=Chico23231;1112950]:puke:

Im so happy Callahan is here. Done with this stupidity within the organization. Never know, Callahan could be the future HC[/quote]

Had to be on his mind when he decided to come here

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[quote=81forHOF;1112954]I would love to see the guys we drafted last year take a big step under Calahan. I also would rather have Moses blow it up at RT and move Schreff inside. [B]I would rather him be the best guard in the league than a mid-level tackle.[/B]

That would make my line:
TW, Long or Kouandijo, Litch, Schreff, Moses[/quote]

????
Why do i keep hearing this stuff? Just because he is not the magical 6' 6" height or more, or because his arms are not 1/4" longer? Mid level tackle?
All 6' 6"+ and long armed Moses on the playing field at UVA and here with the Redskins IS and has been a mid level tackle.
Schreff on the playing field IS a top tackle.
Players are best rated on how they play on the field...not by a measuring tape. Toughness and knocking people on their ass is how we should measure them.

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[quote=Defensewins;1112976]????
Why do i keep hearing this stuff? Just because he is not the magical 6' 6" height or more, or because his arms are not 1/4" longer? Mid level tackle?
All 6' 6"+ and long armed Moses on the playing field at UVA and here with the Redskins IS and has been a mid level tackle.
Schreff on the playing field IS a top tackle.
Players are best rated on how they play on the field...not by a measuring tape. Toughness and knocking people on their ass is how we should measure them.[/quote]

Not knocking the guy. There is no shame at being rated #16 at your position in the NFL. For that matter, I don't think Moses has been anything close to a mid level tackle. I guess I should of said mid level starting tackle. My point is that it would be nice if Moses did pan out and Schreff provided us with the truly mauling guard that I don't think we have had since Tre Johnson. We usually have good tackles (Jansen, Samuels, TW) and we usually suck. Beef up the interior for a change.

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Ideally?

LT-Trent LG-Arie C-Kory RG-Spencer RT-Brandon

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How about trading for an established RT? Then,

LT - Trent, LG - Brandon, C - Kory, RG - Spencer, RT - New Guy

That would give us a Super Bad left side. Run left, young man, run left!

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1113014]How about trading for an established RT? Then,

LT - Trent, LG - Brandon, C - Kory, RG - Spencer, RT - New Guy

That would give us a Super Bad left side. Run left, young man, run left![/quote]

Stop it.

Who gives you a starting caliber RT in a trade? And how do you propose we fit said player under the cap.

This isn't Madden, GTFO with this crap.

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[quote=81forHOF;1112954]I would love to see the guys we drafted last year take a big step under Calahan. I also would rather have Moses blow it up at RT and move Schreff inside. I would rather him be the best guard in the league than a mid-level tackle.

That would make my line:
TW, Long or Kouandijo, Litch, Schreff, Moses[/quote]

You're going to start Moses coming off a Lisfranc injury??

He wasn't even ready to unseat Compton last year BEFORE the injury.

Another one. GTFO

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Yeah people should probably pump the brakes on Moses. He's still got a lot of learning to do as well as coming off a significant injury. And if he moves to guard that's another learning curve as well.

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[quote=Schneed10;1113016]Stop it.

Who gives you a starting caliber RT in a trade? And how do you propose we fit said player under the cap.

This isn't Madden, GTFO with this crap.[/quote]

Did you forget to take your medicine this morning?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1113025]Did you forget to take your medicine this morning?[/quote]

You clearly just don't know. You think this is a mood for me?

Somebody explain to this dude.

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[quote=Schneed10;1113017]You're going to start Moses coming off a Lisfranc injury??

He wasn't even ready to unseat Compton last year BEFORE the injury.

Another one. GTFO[/quote]

I was saying ideally, down the road scenario. The other option is to write off our 2014 3rd pick. It would be nice to get 2 starters instead of one and Schreff is better suited inside than Moses.

We have been wasting mid round draft picks on guards who never pan out for how long? Any member here could provide a list as long as my arm. Yet our starters our always FA castaways from other teams. Stop wasting picks and invest a 1st rounder on a guard already.

Am I understanding you that Moses won't be back by week 9? Just wondering.

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"Stop it.

Who gives you a starting caliber RT in a trade? And how do you propose we fit said player under the cap.

This isn't Madden, GTFO with this crap."

KI meet Schneed. A little abrasive? Forthright yes. Knowledgeable? Definitely.

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BTW KI,
Schneed like many here, is who he is.
Over the top, demonstrative, intolerant, proponent of assholery? yes (lives to close to Philly not to be affected. Treat him like he's from NYC )
BUT, Total Skins fan, knowledgable, well spoken and sometimes amusing as well
It IS the WP......

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[quote=Hog1;1113059]BTW KI,
Schneed like many here, is who he is.
Over the top, demonstrative, intolerant, proponent of assholery? yes (lives to close to Philly not to be affected. Treat him like he's from NYC )
BUT, Total Skins fan, knowledgable, well spoken and sometimes amusing as well
It IS the WP......[/quote]

Watch your mouth with the NYC comment.