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I thought they'd draft a QB, but you don't draft a position just to draft a position.Short of adding a QB the next best thing is helping the QBs you have. And, as much as I love Helu, I think Matt Jones will be way better for this team than Helu ever was

Re: Not drafting a QB a mistake?
 

I liked Helu for lot of reasons. I didn't like Helu for lots of reasons. Ultimately, he is a nice back up but nothing more. Lots like him out there.

As for the QB, this draft had zilch beyond the first two that warranted much of any consideration. Can see McC considering one each round and saying, "Nope, much better value, bigger need with [INSERT NAME]". Sure, it would have been fine to pick one up, but who? when?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1113807]I thought they'd draft a QB, but you don't draft a position just to draft a position.Short of adding a QB the next best thing is helping the QBs you have. And, as much as I love Helu, I think Matt Jones will be way better for this team than Helu ever was[/quote]

For sure in regards to replacing helu. But more interested if Matt jones can be better for the skins than Alfmo.

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We needed a back that can block, Jones seems to be that guy. And if he ends up being the eventual successor for Morris, that's not a bad thing either.

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[quote=Chico23231;1113816]For sure in regards to replacing helu. But more interested if Matt jones can be better for the skins than Alfmo.[/quote]

It's possible. I'm not the biggest Alfmo fan though

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I think we will need both to play a large role as we transition into a power back running game. Alfmo has got alot of carries in a short amount of time.

Re: Not drafting a QB a mistake?
 

Here's the other angle on drafting a QB, which of our current three QBs do you jettison? The knee jerk answer is Colt McCoy but are we sure he can't be considered a developmental guy himself?

He was our most successful QB last year.

Re: Not drafting a QB a mistake?
 

McCoy was not our most successful QB last year. Yeah he played in two games that were won. I'll give him that. He played a good 2nd half against Dallas. But KC had the highest level of play against Jacksonville and Philly. He clearly ran the offense better than the other two when he was on.

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Eff Colt McMidget

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[quote=Schneed10;1113824]Here's the other angle on drafting a QB, which of our current three QBs do you jettison? The knee jerk answer is Colt McCoy but are we sure he can't be considered a developmental guy himself?

He was our most successful QB last year.[/quote]

um, take your pick?



also, i think calling jones a alfmo replacement at this point is probably premature. he's here to block on 3rd downs and work short yardage. his vision isn't good, so he has things to work on and i don't think he's really ready, but who knows.

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[quote=Chico23231;1113828]Eff Colt McMidget[/quote]

[img]http://icanhasinternets.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/haters5.jpg[/img]

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[quote=That Guy;1113830]also, i think calling jones a alfmo replacement at this point is probably premature. he's here to block on 3rd downs and work short yardage. his vision isn't good, so he has things to work on and i don't think he's really ready, but who knows.[/quote]

Yeah, I mean we're talking about next year when Morris will be up for a new deal. And obviously Jones has a lot to proven in the meantime.

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[quote=Hog1;1113784]Not quite so simple for me:
QB needs to be addressed? TBD
Was that area addressed? insufficient info at this time[/quote]I think it requires a certain level of dishonesty to say the QB didn't need to be addressed somewhere within the draft.

I think it takes an even greater degree of dishonesty to say there is insuffient info to know whether or not it was addressed when they didn't draft a QB. Seem pretty straight forward in that regard.


[quote]I personally think like many others the SB winning QB of the Redskins may not be in Burgundy and Gold. [/quote]You're making my point.

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[quote=Defensewins;1113786]No. That is not what I think happened. I feel our draft board and ranking of Qb's (in terms of value and where they should be drafted) resulted in us not finding value enough to select one.
So rather than REACHING for a QB, like we reached for OG Josh LeRibeus years ago, what a mistake that was. Our GM decided to stick to his draft board. That is all. No grand mistake or colossal problem as your hoping someone will say. It is not a big deal that we did not spend a draft pick in this draft on a QB.
We can still get one that is cut from another team or get one next draft.[/quote]In fairness and with no disrespect intended I don't see how your speculation on what happened with the draft and draft board relates to this discussion. Neither of us know the process. We can only judge the result. The result is they didn't draft a QB.

And c'mon really 'grand mistake or colossal problem' I'm hoping someone will say? That's a false claim, strawman and exxagerration all rolled into one phrase. Impressive use of internet debate tactics but unnecessary. You can't quote anywhere that I've even remotely intimated that sentiment. How you define a mistake is [I][U]your[/U][/I] construct not mine. And the only thing I hope for is good dialogue.



The draft is zero sum. Every draft pick can be judged as a mistake or not. Even the best GMs don't bat anywhere close to 100%. Bill Polian said that the best GMs hit at about a 60% rate give or take. So [B][I][U]every[/U][/I][/B] draft there are gonna be mistakes either or comission or omission. And no believes in BPA more then me. But most teams choose based on BPA but that doesn't mean their BPA evaluation was correct, only time can tell that answer. So speculating well they chose BPA there, doesn't mean that selection can't be a mistake.

I just happen to think for reasons I've already expressed that not taking a QB somewhere in this draft was a mistake. There is no need to jump to any wild conclusions or conjecture.

And even though my speculation on what may have happened is just as irrelevant as your; since you brought it up here's my speculation:

I think Scott and Jay both thought that they would and should draft a QB somewhere in this draft. This QB could be a potential starter caliber to groom or a developmental prospect to mold in the system. I think that Jay, like his brother Jon, liked Garrett Grayson. And even aside from Grayson may have liked other pro-style/pro-concept familiar QBs available in the draft. At pick 69Grayson was available. BUT they chose to trade down with Seattle which cost them Grayson and Mannion. At the bottom of round 3 they chose Matt Jones at pick 95 by their next selection at 105 it looked like Bryce Petty was gonna fall into their laps but the Jets [I][U]traded up[/U][/I] to get him at pick 103. Round 5 they chose Martel Spaight (who I think is a stud btw, he's one of the guys I wanted in this draft and mentioned in the draft thread) over Brett Hundley.


Jay's specialty is QBs and its his 2nd year and he still hasn't drafted "his" guy. And fact is many teams (especially WCO) draft a QB to develop somewhere in almost every draft. Andy Reid and Mike Holmgren were masters of the QB pump and dump scheme where they would draft a developmental QB and trade them down the line for more value. Jay wasn't happy with the QB position last year it just seems like good planning to have one of 'his guys' waiting/developing in pipeline.

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Scot M drafted exactly 1 qb in 4 years with Seattle. His 3rd year. Russell Wilson

Scot M drafted exactly 2 qb's in 5 years at SF. His 1st year, a #1 pick, which some might argue has to be a qb nowadays. Alex Smith. and his last year ( a 5th rounder with no stats next to his name)

A mistake or not (I say not), Scot M clearly doesn't play the revolving qb game through the draft. We have a qb taken #2 overall, and a qb that was a 4th round pick. In 9 drafts before this Scot M took 3 qb's, I think it's safe to say that he doesn't value yearly picks on QB's.

81 total selections by SM at SF and Sea, 3 qb's (4% of draft picks ).

In those 81 selections, you know what he took a lot of? DE/DT/OL 29 out of 81 picks(35%).

We could be so lucky to have that type of focus on the line.

In the same 9 years the Redskins took twice as many qb's, 6, in 14 less picks (67 total, 9%), and nearly half as many DE/DT/OL 15 (22%).

I also take exception with QB being a need as a blind statement of fact. When our line caves in half the time, the qb's (as has been discussed to the nth degree) tended to fall back on their bad tendencies (Griffin holding and running, KC throwing quick INT's). Let's let these guys have quality line play (and blocking TE/RBs) for 1 season then we can go into the qb pool if we have too.

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[quote=30gut;1113838]... At pick 69 Grayson was available. [B]BUT they chose to trade down[/B] with Seattle which cost them Grayson and Mannion. ...[/quote]

you make the point (not yours, but everyone else's) well. It wasn't a mistake, it was in fact a calculated choice by SM which, if history holds true, he has been very good at.

I am willing to wager anything that when they traded down, they accepted the fact that a qb wouldn't be in the cards.

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The fact of the matter is that just about any QB we would have drafted would have been a project...and likely never would have been more than a backup-type. Look around the league, it isn't swimming with 4th/5th/6th round starting QBs with rings. Your top guys are all early rounders with the very obvious and rare exception of Brady. Even the next tier guys are pretty much 1/2/3's. Mostly 1s. I am not even remotely concerned that we didn't bother drafting a long shot QB project.

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[quote=30gut;1113837]I think it requires a certain level of dishonesty to say the QB didn't need to be addressed somewhere within the draft.

I think it takes an even greater degree of dishonesty to say there is insuffient info to know whether or not it was addressed when they didn't draft a QB. Seem pretty straight forward in that regard.


You're making my point.[/quote]

To early to....walk away from Robert. Way to many positive unknowns going into this season. Improve the team.....improve Robert, or whoever may be at the helm. Has to be done and the logical time to do it is now.

NOTE: "May"
1) expressing possibility

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1113841]Scot M drafted exactly 1 qb in 4 years with Seattle. His 3rd year. Russell Wilson

Scot M drafted exactly 2 qb's in 5 years at SF. His 1st year, a #1 pick, which some might argue has to be a qb nowadays. Alex Smith. and his last year ( a 5th rounder with no stats next to his name)

A mistake or not (I say not), Scot M clearly doesn't play the revolving qb game through the draft. We have a qb taken #2 overall, and a qb that was a 4th round pick. In 9 drafts before this Scot M took 3 qb's, I think it's safe to say that he doesn't value yearly picks on QB's.

81 total selections by SM at SF and Sea, 3 qb's (4% of draft picks ).

In those 81 selections, you know what he took a lot of? DE/DT/OL 29 out of 81 picks(35%).

We could be so lucky to have that type of focus on the line.

[B][U]In the same 9 years the Redskins took twice as many qb's, 6, in 14 less picks (67 total, 9%), and nearly half as many DE/DT/OL 15 (22%).[/U][/B]

I also take exception with QB being a need as a blind statement of fact. When our line caves in half the time, the qb's (as has been discussed to the nth degree) tended to fall back on their bad tendencies (Griffin holding and running, KC throwing quick INT's). Let's let these guys have quality line play (and blocking TE/RBs) for 1 season then we can go into the qb pool if we have too.[/quote]

Someone should start another thread called, "Drafting too may Qb's a mistake?"

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[quote=Defensewins;1113846]Someone should start another thread called, "Drafting too may Qb's a mistake?"[/quote]

Or "Not drafting a QB likely to start about 15 games and lose most of them a mistake?"

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1113841]Scot M drafted exactly 1 qb in 4 years with Seattle. His 3rd year. Russell Wilson

Scot M drafted exactly 2 qb's in 5 years at SF. His 1st year, a #1 pick, which some might argue has to be a qb nowadays. Alex Smith. and his last year ( a 5th rounder with no stats next to his name)

A mistake or not (I say not), Scot M clearly doesn't play the revolving qb game through the draft. We have a qb taken #2 overall, and a qb that was a 4th round pick. In 9 drafts before this Scot M took 3 qb's, I think it's safe to say that he doesn't value yearly picks on QB's.

81 total selections by SM at SF and Sea, 3 qb's (4% of draft picks ).

In those 81 selections, you know what he took a lot of? DE/DT/OL 29 out of 81 picks(35%).

We could be so lucky to have that type of focus on the line.

[B][U]In the same 9 years the Redskins took twice as many qb's, 6, in 14 less picks (67 total, 9%), and nearly half as many DE/DT/OL 15 (22%).[/U][/B]

[B]I also take exception with QB being a need as a blind statement of fact. When our line caves in half the time, the qb's (as has been discussed to the nth degree) tended to fall back on their bad tendencies (Griffin holding and running, KC throwing quick INT's). Let's let these guys have quality line play (and blocking TE/RBs) for 1 season then we can go into the qb pool if we have too[/B].[/quote]

Someone should start another thread called, "Drafting too may Qb's a mistake?" Kidding....don't get upset 30Gut.

CRedskinsRule, I like your post about questioning QB need when the rest of the team sucks.
As has been discussed on this thread about how to rate a draft pick as mistake or not, it seems to me there is a gray area and brings to mind Doug Williams. Drafted high in the draft by a perennial loser of a franchise and ends up leaving that team. He could and should be considered by Tampa a mistake for Tampa. Years later he goes to Washington and wins a Superbowl. Not a mistake. So what is he?

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[quote=30gut;1113838]In fairness and with no disrespect intended I don't see how your speculation on what happened with the draft and draft board relates to this discussion. Neither of us know the process. We can only judge the result. The result is they didn't draft a QB.

<snip>[/quote]

I think the draft board and how the prospects were ranked have everything to do with this discussion. If there had been a QB Scot and Jay liked in a pick range that suited his talent/potential, I do not think they would've passed(especially from the mid-rounds down). If that's the case, and there were no QBs they thought were worth it, then no, it wasn't a mistake. Drafting a QB out of his value range or when there were better players available, now that would have been a mistake.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1113842]you make the point (not yours, but everyone else's) well.......
I am willing to wager anything that when they traded down, they accepted the fact that a qb wouldn't be in the cards.[/quote]In the name of speculation its just as possible they thought the QBs would be available at their next pick.....and were wrong. I think we are all aware that happens all the time in the draft because its a gamble. For all we know they could have wanted one of the QBs and miscalculated.

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[quote=SirLK26;1113849]I think the draft board and how the prospects were ranked have everything to do with this discussion. If there had been a QB Scot and Jay liked in a pick range that suited his talent/potential, I do not think they would've passed(especially from the mid-rounds down). If that's the case, and there were no QBs they thought were worth it, then no, it wasn't a mistake. Drafting a QB out of his value range or when there were better players available, now that would have been a mistake.[/quote]Well none of us [B][I]knows[/I][/B] the draft board. So to me speculating about the draft board is fine but its just rationalizing based on our respective view points.

Your argument sounds a lot like the front office made the decision and therefore its not a mistake, and that reason is just as good as as any other I guess.

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[quote=30gut;1113866]In the name of speculation its just as possible they thought the QBs would be available at their next pick.....and were wrong. I think we are all aware that happens all the time in the draft because its a gamble. For all we know they could have wanted one of the QBs and miscalculated.[/quote]

Really stretching the point there. If you want to take a qb, you don't drop to the bottom of a round from the top. Between that, SM's drafting history, and the lack of agreement in general on this board, I think you are just barking up the wrong tree.

What could anyone say that would make you change your mind?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1113869]Really stretching the point there. If you want to take a qb, you don't drop to the bottom of a round from the top. Between that, SM's drafting history, and the lack of agreement in general on this board, I think you are just barking up the wrong tree.[/quote]It was speculation which I admit isn't really meaningful in this discussion but if others are gonna throw out there speculations then my speculation is equally as valid or not.

And again. I am not trying to make a point only to have a dialogue.

Teams trade down all the time with the expectation that the player they want will still be on the board. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. To me the process is an unknown so the speculation can go either way.

Scott's drafting history (btw Scott wasn't the principal decision maker in his previous spots) doesn't have bearing on whether not taking a QB in this situation was the right decision.

I'm perfectly comfortable with disagreement.
We could go pick by pick and I'm sure there would be disagreement. I was one of the people, even before the draft, that thought Scherff was both an OT as opposed to a guard and worthy of the 5th pick. I'm sure those were minority opinions before the draft. And this thread was meant as a discussion.

[quote]What could anyone say that would make you change your mind?[/quote]I'm not sure, what would change your mind?

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[quote=Defensewins;1113848] CRedskinsRule, I like your post about questioning QB need when the rest of the team sucks.[/quote]If you think the QB position is fine going forward then I can see why you think it was fine not to address the position.

[quote]
As has been discussed on this thread about how to rate a draft pick as mistake or not, it seems to me there is a gray area and brings to mind Doug Williams. Drafted high in the draft by a perennial loser of a franchise and ends up leaving that team. He could and should be considered by Tampa a mistake for Tampa. Years later he goes to Washington and wins a Superbowl. Not a mistake. So what is he?[/quote]Neither here nor there but when Doug was in Tampa it was that franchises only successful seasons (playoffs, conference title game iirc) prior to Dungy.

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A lot of smoke here with little fire. If QB was a huge need and there was a legit guy that SM was targeting, pretty sure he would be here. Besides I don't think drafting a later rd QB in a mediocre QB class was going to do anything to help in the short term.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1113807]I thought they'd draft a QB, but you don't draft a position just to draft a position.[/quote]Lol, maybe I should have phrased the question 'did you think they would draft a QB somewhere'.

I thought they would too.

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[quote=Hog1;1113845]To early to....walk away from Robert. Way to many positive unknowns going into this season. Improve the team.....improve Robert, or whoever may be at the helm. Has to be done and the logical time to do it is now.
[/quote]I agree, but I hold the above position and still think they should have drafted a QB.

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[quote=30gut;1113871]It was speculation which I admit isn't really meaningful in this discussion but if others are gonna throw out there speculations then my speculation is equally as valid or not.

And again. I am not trying to make a point only to have a dialogue.

Teams trade down all the time with the expectation that the player they want will still be on the board. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. To me the process is an unknown so the speculation can go either way.

Scott's drafting history (btw Scott wasn't the principal decision maker in his previous spots) doesn't have bearing on whether not taking a QB in this situation was the right decision.

I'm perfectly comfortable with disagreement.
We could go pick by pick and I'm sure there would be disagreement. I was one of the people, even before the draft, that thought Scherff was both an OT as opposed to a guard and worthy of the 5th pick. I'm sure those were minority opinions before the draft. And this thread was meant as a discussion.

[B]I'm not sure, what would change your mind?[/B][/quote]

About the only way I could ever see not drafting a qb this year as being a mistake is if all 3 qb's on roster walked away from the game before training camp.

In other words, nothing.

Out of all the areas that we needed to draft, Safety, CB, OL/DL and the amount of depth we need, I see no reason at all to waste a pick on an at best developmental qb. We weren't taking a qb in the first 2 rounds, where the pick would mean we at least expect him to compete for a starting spot in training camp, and round three, as you pointed out, they chose specifically to skip the round where the best of the rest qb's were going to go. In rounds 4-7 a qb pick is a guy who's going to sit behind your starter, learn your system and hope that he can cover for a game or two. We needed much more than that out of the picks we had.

Next year, we will have our qb situation sorted out, either releasing RGIII or paying to keep him. And hopefully our lines will be a bit more stable, but certainly we will pick more OL/DL. So any QB move should most definitely have waited till next year. No matter who was running the show.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1113886]I see no reason at all to waste a pick on an at best developmental qb.[/quote]Since when did developmental QBs become wasted picks?

[quote]We weren't taking a qb in the first 2 rounds, where the pick would mean we at least expect him to compete for a starting spot in training camp, [/quote]I'm guessing you saw their draft board? Or just unintentionally started stating your opinions as facts?

What if Mariota fell? We already know what Scott said he would do.
And just because a QB is drafted in the first 2 rounds does it mean they need to compete for the starting spot.

[quote]they chose specifically to skip the round where the best of the rest qb's were going to go.[/quote]You mean they traded down and in the process missed the opportunity to draft 2 QBs. Lol, it just happened to be where the QBs were drafted there is no way they knew they were 'going' to be drafted there.

[quote]In rounds 4-7 a qb pick is a guy who's going to sit behind your starter, learn your system and hope that he can cover for a game or two. We needed much more than that out of the picks we had.[/quote]There is value to developing a QB in your system. And in round 4-7 you have players every year that don't even make the club so while its a nice sentiment to expect 'much more' from those picks that's not the reality.

[quote]Next year, we will have our qb situation sorted out,[/quote]Sorted out in what sense? Next year we could be starting fresh with a rookie QB knew to the system.

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[quote=30gut;1113891]Since when did developmental QBs become wasted picks?

I'm guessing you saw their draft board? Or just unintentionally started stating your opinions as facts?

What if Mariota fell? We already know what Scott said he would do.
And just because a QB is drafted in the first 2 rounds does it mean they need to compete for the starting spot.

You mean they traded down and in the process missed the opportunity to draft 2 QBs. Lol, it just happened to be where the QBs were drafted there is no way they knew they were 'going' to be drafted there.

There is value to developing a QB in your system. And in round 4-7 you have players every year that don't even make the club so while its a nice sentiment to expect 'much more' from those picks that's not the reality.

Will we?[/quote]

So you are basically questioning the drafting philosophy of a well respected NFL talent evaluator (Scot McC) with this whole thread. Who in his time at Seattle, built everything else for two years, and didn't draft a QB until his third year (Wilson).

Seattle's QB option in McC's first two years were an aging Matt Hasselbeck, Tavaris Jackson, and Clipboard Jesus (a.k.a. Charlie Whitehurst).

I think it's okay to wonder why we didn't draft a QB, but I doubt the whole franchise is going to come down in shambles because the team didn't draft some low-round project QB.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1113892]So you are basically questioning the drafting philosophy of a well respected NFL talent evaluator (Scot McC) with this whole thread. Who in his time at Seattle, built everything else for two years, and didn't draft a QB until his third year (Wilson).[/quote]If that's what disagreeing with a draft decision means to you then sure. And oh btw, I'm probably one Scott's biggest proponents but that doesn't mean I agree with every decision.

[quote]I think it's okay to wonder why we didn't draft a QB, but I doubt the whole franchise is going to come down in shambles because the team didn't draft some low-round project QB.[/quote]Yup, because this is exactly what i've been saying this thread the franchise is gonna come down in shambles because the team didn't draft some low-round project QB. Yup that exactly, thanks for clearing that up for me. ;)

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I love the offseason

[/sarc]

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[quote=30gut;1113894]Yup, because this is exactly what i've been saying this thread the franchise is gonna come down in shambles because the team didn't draft some low-round project QB. Yup that exactly, thanks for clearing that up for me. ;)[/quote]

But that's my whole beef with using the term "mistake" here. If a move didn't do damage then it's really hard for me to call it a mistake. The most you can say at this point in time is "potential missed opportunity".

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[quote=Schneed10;1113900]But that's my whole beef with using the term "mistake" here. If a move didn't do damage then it's really hard for me to call it a mistake. The most you can say at this point in time is "potential missed opportunity".[/quote]I know right? I truly had no idea that people were this sensitive to the word 'mistake'.

For me a move doesn't have to do damage to be a mistake. Passing on player that the team could have used is a mistake right? And just because I disagree with a specific move or consider not addressing an area a mistake doesn't mean that I think its a big deal or I consider it a huge need. I also consider not drafting a TE a mistake, and again I don't think the team will implode because of the lack.

Anyhow, I like our QBs, (from Griffin to Colt, yes Colt). I'm a big fan of Scott and I'm all about building the trenches. But from a team building perspective being that we're a WCO in year 2 of a new regime with a QB specialist HC and unless we forget everything was not good with the QBs last year the HC/OC was unhappy enough to bench 2 QBs last year and looking forward none of the QBs are signed for 2016 for me it made sense to me to select a QB somewhere in this draft.

Re: Not drafting a QB a mistake?
 

[quote=30gut;1113903]I know right? I truly had no idea that people were this sensitive to the word 'mistake'.

[B]For me a move doesn't have to do damage to be a mistake. Passing on player that the team could have used is a mistake right? [/B]And just because I disagree with a specific move or consider not addressing an area a mistake doesn't mean that I think its a big deal or I consider it a huge need.

Anyhow, I like our QBs, (from Griffin to Colt, yes Colt). I'm a big fan of Scott and I'm all about building the trenches. But from a team building perspective being that we're a WCO in year 2 of a new regime with a QB specialist HC who benched 2 QBs last year and having no QBs signed for 2016 it made sense to me to select a QB somewhere in this draft.[/quote]

Then every draft every year is filled with mistakes.

I really don't get the point you are trying to convey. I think this is what your OP and basis for this thread is:

Given: the qb's we have on the roster before the draft aren't likely to be successful.
Belief: we should have used at least one pick on a qb in the draft.
Result: the fact that we didn't was a bad decision by those doing the drafting.

Is that right?

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[quote=Mattyk;1113881]A lot of smoke here with little fire. If QB was a huge need and there was a legit guy that SM was targeting, pretty sure he would be here. Besides [B]I don't think drafting a later rd QB in a mediocre QB class was going to do anything to help in the short term[/B].[/quote]

Didn't we have this same, or very similar discussion, about safeties (and in the same [I]ad nauseum[/I] manner)?

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[quote=30gut;1113903]I know right? I truly had no idea that people were this sensitive to the word 'mistake'.

For me a move doesn't have to do damage to be a mistake. Passing on player that the team could have used is a mistake right? And just because I disagree with a specific move or consider not addressing an area a mistake doesn't mean that I think its a big deal or I consider it a huge need. I also consider not drafting a TE a mistake, and again I don't think the team will implode because of the lack.[/quote]

I am one of those who is struggling with your wording and your stance. I would not classify passing on the QB or the TE as a mistake, even if they could have helped, unless the players that they did draft don't pan out.

We could have used a developmental QB and another depth TE, but we could use players at every single position except punter (yeah Tress!).

If we didn't pick up a G and went for a TE instead the shoe would just be on the other foot. Just one example.

The draft is full of missed opportunities and also full of opportunities fulfilled. Only time can tell where we came out. I can't call passing on a QB a mistake, it's simply the wrong word at this point in time.