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This just goes to show you that all those training camp reports don't mean much of anything. And it seems that according to Gruden, KC has really improved and taken a jump in his 2nd year in the system.

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[quote=jamf;1118479]Hopefully he gets 16 games to so they can figure that out.

I'm fine with some of his INTs if he is aggressive and opens up the passing game.[/quote]

Brett Favre was always an INT guy but you knew with him in there you always had a chance. I think Cousins gives us that chance that RG3 could not.

It was a shame that the QB position up to this point was held hostage by RG3....we might have a completley different team guys overnight. Can't wait for week one...We could suddenly be chumps no longer

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Have this , to say about that...
It's a.dirty job, but somebody's gotta do it.

Let's go Captain Kirk.

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[quote=WillH;1118520]For those with a short memory . . .

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPdPrgFZato[/url][/quote]

For the record:

Ken Stabler threw 7

Peyton threw 6 in one game

other qb's with 5 int games:
Kurt Warner
Stabler
Bart Starr
Joe Namath
Eli Manning (2x's)
Joe Flacco
Dan Fouts (2x's)
John Elway
Fran Tarkenton
Sonny Jurgenson
Tony Romo
Dan Marino
Mark Sanchez
Jay Cutler
and many more ...
full list: [url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_single_game.htm]NFL Single Game Passes Intercepted Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]


Does this mean KC will be any of those guys? Absolutely not, but it does mean that one game or several bad games does not in and of themselves a bad qb make.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1118533]For the record:

Ken Stabler threw 7

Peyton threw 6 in one game

other qb's with 5 int games:
Kurt Warner
Stabler
Bart Starr
Joe Namath
Eli Manning (2x's)
Joe Flacco
Dan Fouts (2x's)
John Elway
Fran Tarkenton
Sonny Jurgenson
Tony Romo
Dan Marino
Mark Sanchez
Jay Cutler
and many more ...
full list: [url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_single_game.htm]NFL Single Game Passes Intercepted Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]


Does this mean KC will be any of those guys? Absolutely not, but it does mean that one game or several bad games does not in and of themselves a bad qb make.[/quote]


Yeah, I certainly hope he does well, but I think it is better to assume that this year is going to be very very FRUSTRATING.

If our run game gets going, he might play really well, but the second we get into a shoot out it can get really ugly. The fact that our secondary is still suspect (at best), it's not likely going to be a good year.

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If we plan to run the ball a lot more does it really matter who's the QB. News flash Gruden plans to throw the ball. This is no surprise to me once I heard KC was sitting down with Gruden's brother in florida to really learn the offense. I was riding with RG3 still am. I'm a SKINS fan first.

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Yeah idc who the qb is I'm a skins fan not a player fan. Yeah I'd love to see KC be the franchise QB for the next 10 years but I'm not expecting that to happen with our recent trend

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My wife works here. (Cousins video)
:joecool:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5FVEZ5jR-I[/url]

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The BIGGEST advantage Cousins and McCoy have is they actually understand the position and the offense the Skins are using..IF RGlll actually could grasp this we would not be talking about it..I can't see Robert ever being a starter on any team again.

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Gruden needs to be patient with Cousins, he'll probably throw his share of INTs, but give him a chance instead of turning to McCoy right away.

Hopefully the offense can get the running game going without Griffin in there.

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I think they are all pretty convinced that kirk can be a really good qb in this league. He is getting a boost from many former coaches

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Cousins may start, but people will see Lots of Griffin for the Miami game.

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNvX44iWEAEJCUS.png[/IMG]

only the Skins. :doh: smh

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1118543]I think they are all pretty convinced that kirk can be a really good qb in this league. He is getting a boost from many former coaches[/quote]

They are making my man Joey T. Gloat, who last year people thought was on crack.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1118533]For the record:



Ken Stabler threw 7



Peyton threw 6 in one game



other qb's with 5 int games:

Kurt Warner

Stabler

Bart Starr

Joe Namath

Eli Manning (2x's)

Joe Flacco

Dan Fouts (2x's)

John Elway

Fran Tarkenton

Sonny Jurgenson

Tony Romo

Dan Marino

Mark Sanchez

Jay Cutler

and many more ...

full list: [url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_single_game.htm]NFL Single Game Passes Intercepted Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]





Does this mean KC will be any of those guys? Absolutely not, but it does mean that one game or several bad games does not in and of themselves a bad qb make.[/QUOTE]


This. This. This, and this.... Thank you!


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I see some Hall of Famers on that INT list, as well as future Hall of Famers. Yet this fanbase freaks out when a 4th rounder with less than 10 starts throws picks. Amazing.

KC is going to need a running game. We can't have him dropping back 45 times and expect to not have turnovers. Hopefully we can stay balanced.

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y does it say game 3?? lol

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1118546]They are making my man Joey T. Gloat, who last year people thought was on crack.[/quote]

MS says top 10 QB well KS said Kirk has the potential to be great...

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[quote=skinsfan69;1118548]Hopefully we can stay balanced.[/quote]

To run the ball you have to run the ball.

It's hard to run against 8 in the box. The Ravens were in base run D even in several obvious passing downs and consistently had 8 in the box.

I don't think ALFMO's stats were that troubling considering what he was running into (FYI, I wish they were better.)

Morris is a constant. Jones is killing people and juking them all at the same time.

Kirk is a relative unknown without much on film.

If you're a defensive coordinator do you play the pass or the run against us the first game of the season?

I think they will play the run hard, pressure Kirk and force him to make quick decisions. They will see if he can beat them with his arm IMHO.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1118551]To run the ball you have to run the ball.

It's hard to run against 8 in the box. The Ravens were in base run D even in several obvious passing downs and consistently had 8 in the box.

I don't think ALFMO's stats were that troubling considering what he was running into (FYI, I wish they were better.)

Morris is a constant. Jones is killing people and juking them all at the same time.

Kirk is a relative unknown without much on film.

If you're a defensive coordinator do you play the pass or the run against us the first game of the season?

I think they will play the run hard, pressure Kirk and force him to make quick decisions. They will see if he can beat them with his arm IMHO.[/quote]

With their front 7, I think they will test that first and see if they can stop the run and the pass without the extra man in the box. If we run on them well, then they will bring the safety up in the box. With their front 7, you give them a chance first before opening yourself up for the pass. Especially since they can rush the passer good without blitzes, and with the addition of Suh, I think it makes it more dangerous.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1118551]To run the ball you have to run the ball.

[B]It's hard to run against 8 in the box[/B]. The Ravens were in base run D even in several obvious passing downs and consistently had 8 in the box.

I don't think ALFMO's stats were that troubling considering what he was running into (FYI, I wish they were better.)

Morris is a constant. Jones is killing people and juking them all at the same time.

Kirk is a relative unknown without much on film.

If you're a defensive coordinator do you play the pass or the run against us the first game of the season?

I think they will play the run hard, pressure Kirk and force him to make quick decisions. They will see if he can beat them with his arm IMHO.[/quote]

You cannot cover our receiving corps like that......
Djax will have a lot of fun

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I like the move but I still think the future QB is not on the roster yet.

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Is RG3 still going to be on the roster?
Does anyone know what happens to that 5th year option if he is cut?....does it go away or do the skins have to pay it if he gets hurt on another team?

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[quote=mooby;1118484]With the right team and coach, RG3 can be a good qb. However I don't think there's a chance in hell that's our team. I'm worried that team might be the Eagles, which is why I also hope he goes to the AFC. For now, here's to Captain Kirk leading the way, and proving once and for all whether or not he deserves to be a starter in the NFL.[/quote]

3 concussions, 2 ACLs and running out of bounds when there are open Wide Receivers everywhere only to dislocate an ankle on a non-contact play. Good luck to whoever takes him.

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1118548]I see some Hall of Famers on that INT list, as well as future Hall of Famers. Yet this fanbase freaks out when a 4th rounder with less than 10 starts throws picks. Amazing.

KC is going to need a running game. We can't have him dropping back 45 times and expect to not have turnovers. Hopefully we can stay balanced.[/quote]

Brees, another one of the many good/great QBs who are not scary athletic, had 29TDs and 31INTs over his first 3 seasons. Chargers were done with him and drafted Rivers. He had 27TDs and only 7INTs in Rivers' rookie season.

I bet there were a lot of Chargers fans who thought he'd never figure it out. Just takes some guys more time. Maybe KC is one of those guys.

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[quote=44Deezel;1118566]Brees, another one of the many good/great QBs who are not scary athletic, had 29TDs and 31INTs over his first 3 seasons. Chargers were done with him and drafted Rivers. He had 27TDs and only 7INTs in Rivers' rookie season.

I bet there were a lot of Chargers fans who thought he'd never figure it out. Just takes some guys more time. Maybe KC is one of those guys.[/quote]

But not Griffin?

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[quote=WillH;1118520]For those with a short memory . . .

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPdPrgFZato[/url][/quote]

Thanks. Totally forgot he had a bad game. He sucks and always will. They should start the QB who never had a bad game. Too bad there isn't one on the roster or one that has ever existed for that matter.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1118549]y does it say game 3?? lol[/quote]

Preaseason were 1 & 2.

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Cousins has the chance to be very good, or John Beck. Given Redskins QB history the wise money goes to Beck. But until he's Beck, he's Captain Kirk!

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[quote=Hog1;1118509]Hated the 2012 season?[/quote]

I did.. Cheap, ugly wins.. One year does not a career make..

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1118512]RedskinsJake-

What have you seen that tells you he can lead the team down the field when it matters?

What I have seen is a guy who shits his pants when he is under any kind of mental pressure.

Please enlighten me. If you are happy that we now have Captain Turnover and Captain McConcussion as our top two qbs and rg III has failed to be what we all thought he was going to be beyond the ROY division winner 2012 season, then you must have a bad memory. 2015 is going to be a long year[/quote]

When he's had the team behind him, he's done very well. The Ravens game in 2012 showed a lot. We're not talking a veteran here, he's a young guy who still needs 16 games to get there. Does he throw picks, yes he does. Am I concerned about it? No more than I was when Brett Favre and many others started out throwing them. Long term, with the support of the team, I think he can develop into an excellent QB. Considering the f'ed up situation he's been put in, I think he's handled it well. Much better than Bobby..

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[quote=RedskinJake;1118571]I did.. Cheap, ugly wins.. One year does not a career make..[/quote]

and if you remember this correctly...it was just a 6 game streak....before that the coach basically assumed the year was done...I think we were 4-6 and playing poorly...then we tore through the very weak NFC east that year...excluding those games...the Skins have been fairly average and more recently flat out bad to lousy. Any improvement is good. I will take an average game manager any day over drama over a supposed savior that always disappoints. I like Robert, but...I hope it is over.
I wish they would just cut him. It's like an alcoholic that says he wont drink but keeps that 1 beer in the back of the fridge....
Throw out the BEER!!

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[quote=WillH;1118567]But not Griffin?[/quote]

Well said.

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[quote=WillH;1118567]But not Griffin?[/quote]

Can't figure much out if you can't stay healthy enough to play. Griffin isn't a QB. He's a shiny mirror ball doing just enough razzle dazzle to keep people from noticing that he isn't humble enough to shut up, show up and put up..

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[quote=44Deezel;1118568]Thanks. Totally forgot he had a bad game. He sucks and always will. They should start the QB who never had a bad game. Too bad there isn't one on the roster or one that has ever existed for that matter.[/quote]

I'm just trying to keep grounded. Last year I remember everyone getting hyped about Cousins, he was our QB of the future after one game, people were ready to trade Griffin, and then Cousins just completely fell apart entirely and got benched. Now he does fair against mostly 2nd team in a preseason game, and people are ready to jump back on his bandwagon again. I really don't think that there is any solid reason to be optimistic about him.

I think RG3 more lost his position then Kirk earned it, and really I think it has as much to do with off the field issues as his struggles on the field. I mean, how is it that Scot wasn't able to tell before the preseason that Griffin was hopeless? Why sign the 5th year option? I mean unless they are sincere about Kirk giving us the best chance, Griffin is still part of the team, and the door isn't closed on him yet. In that case it would make sense to have kept him on only to sit him after he had 1 bad preseason performance for Cousins who had 1 good one, because you could assume then that they believe he has a chanc to develop, but Cousins can help us win now while he does. Or perhaps SM didn't realize how lost Griffin was mentally on and off the field until he saw it for himself and now wants to cut bait quick and eat the losses. I think it's probably the latter, but that doesnt make me feel good about Cousins as our starter or the fact that we've conceded to the biggest bust in history.

I'll be just as excited as everyone else when we win, but I'm not excited about this crappy situation.

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[quote=donofriose;1118560]I like the move but I still think the future QB is not on the roster yet.[/quote]

It be awesome if Kirk took off with this opportunity and never looked back but if he just becomes a mid level QB who can't stop throwing interceptions, I still think having him in the role gives the team a better chance to prepare each week and just focus on the job at hand. We can build around him even if he's only a placeholder for the next guy 3 years from now. Let KC manage the game, don't put it all on his shoulders, let Alf and Gator split 30-35 carries and spend this next few years building out the roster.

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People are going to be surprised by Kirks improvement from last year. He will play well this year. I normally don't make bold statemental like this, but I have a few reasons to be confident.

He worked with Jon Gruden in the offseason. He even invited RG3 and 7 WR to his training camp to work with him and his other QB coach. All 7 WR joined and RG3 did not.

He has ELITE pocket awareness right now. His movement in the pocket is on a high level and has been seen in TC and in preseason.

He has put a lot of work in to be the #1 guy. Someone who shows the adversity he has from getting a shot and being benched to working his way to being theb#1 guy again is something we all should look forward to. Having that type of mental toughness behind center will prove to be worthy.

Plenty more things to add but a guy I follow on Twitter has a full report of his offseason work he's going to post. I won't spill it till it is.

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[QUOTE=calia;1118486]Hard not to like this guy: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPJEdIdGsWY&feature=player_embedded[/url][/QUOTE]
Just wanted to say... Very Classy... Strong, but not critical of RG3.

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To this day, I still do a double take when I see #8.

Chip Lohmiller is forever engrained in my head!

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Dude, his presser makes me feel more comfortable than I have in a while. He's a student.of.the.game... Period. He may play shaky but I'm effing behind kirk cousins 100% and I now.get a.good.feeling...... Exact opposite of an Rg presser, top to.bottom.

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[quote=kingj;1118583]To this day, I still do a double take when I see #8.

Chip Lohmiller is forever engrained in my head![/quote]

I wish.. I keep thinking it's Sexy Rexy out there..