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Are you guys sure? I could definitely see Dan Snyder going on a power trip and telling everybody they will never be allowed to release the son he's always wanted.

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Is it too late to convert him to a wide receiver?

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[quote=MTK;1139562]Boom

[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2016/02/23/redskins-president-wishes-rgiii-well-in-the-future-in-other-words-thanks-and-goodbye/?tid=a_inl"][B]Redskins president wishes RGIII well in the future. (In other words, thanks and goodbye)[/B][/URL][/quote]

Until Robert is wearing another team's uniform, you'll have people holding onto hope that he's a Redskin next year.

*Sigh*.....how much should I sell my RGIII jersey for?

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[quote=metalskins;1139573]Until Robert is wearing another team's uniform, you'll have people holding onto hope that he's a Redskin next year.

*Sigh*.....how much should I sell my RGIII jersey for?[/quote]

Where would this franchise be had we stayed at the 6th spot in the 2012 draft and kept all of those picks?

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[quote=mooby;1139567]Are you guys sure? I could definitely see Dan Snyder going on a power trip and telling everybody they will never be allowed to release the son he's always wanted.[/quote]

I know that you are being sarcastic even though sarcasm is hard for me to understand sometimes. I think sometimes that Dan Snyder still believes that RG3 can be salvaged, and that is why they are reluctant to pull the trigger on RG3 getting released / cut / traded, etc...

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1139577]Where would this franchise be had we stayed at the 6th spot in the 2012 draft and kept all of those picks?[/quote]

Ask the Rams, all those picks didn't do them much good.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1139578]I know that you are being sarcastic even though sarcasm is hard for me to understand sometimes. I think sometimes that Dan Snyder still believes that RG3 can be salvaged, and that is why they are reluctant to pull the trigger on RG3 getting released / cut / traded, etc...[/quote]

He very well could be salvaged. It's simply not going to happen here. Even Dan knows this. He's going to be cut soon enough, sit tight.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1139577]Where would this franchise be had we stayed at the 6th spot in the 2012 draft and kept all of those picks?[/quote]

Would have had a couple more #1 picks, probably would have still had Kirk Cousins, but I think Shanahan would have still been canned.

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yeah, i'm not sure shannahan would have ended any other way (going down in flames) here. it just wasn't a good fit.

if we could do it over, i'd keep the picks, but there's 0 guarantee things would have gone any better. and there's no time machines, so let's just move on... we're sort of good right now, let's focus on that.

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Rapoport: The #Redskins are keeping all options open on Kirk Cousins. They have not ruled out tagging him and trading him, sources say.

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[quote=kingj;1139717]Rapoport: The #Redskins are keeping all options open on Kirk Cousins. They have not ruled out tagging him and trading him, sources say.[/quote]

That might be an option, but I'm giving those the odds of a snowball's chance in hell.

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Rappaport says that the transition tag is in play. This to me is incredibly stupid, letting your starting QB negotiate with other teams that are desperate for a QB. Something tells me that Cousins and the Redskins are far apart in negotiations.

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Trading Kc??? If they do that I'm out man. We finally have a bright spot at QB and if they trade him what would they get in return?? This sounds like more drama once again in wash

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All just talk, no need to worry, he's not going anywhere

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1139723]Trading Kc??? If they do that I'm out man. We finally have a bright spot at QB and if they trade him what would they get in return?? This sounds like more drama once again in wash

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You're actually....quite good under pressure, right?

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Lol idk man yes with this team u have to be

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Well......it has been a tough 20 years or so........

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Holy hell Chicken Littles, chill.

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[quote=Schneed10;1139730]Holy hell Chicken Littles, chill.[/quote]

If you translate the fan reaction to that "trade Kirk" tweet it probably sounds something like this:

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How about Cleveland's first round pick this year and next year for KC?

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well, "business is business"...so this needs to play out.

The Franchise Tag might be the best option, if they're really that far apart. We need to make sure we don't fall into the Joe Flacco scenario, where we overpay for mediocre QB play in the future.

The Transition Tag shouldn't even be in the discussion, because the 'Skins get nothing in compensation if someone else decides to over pay.

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Using the Transition Tag or trading Kirk are both ridiculous ideas.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1139746]Using the Transition Tag or trading Kirk are both ridiculous ideas.[/quote]

You would not trade KC for Clevelands first this year and next?

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1139753]You would not trade KC for Clevelands first this year and next?[/quote]

I wouldn't. I don't see a qb in the draft where we could replace him and I think that is the only arguement you could make for trading kc.

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[quote=Chico23231;1139756]I wouldn't. I don't see a qb in the draft where we could replace him and I think that is the only arguement you could make for trading kc.[/quote]

Totally agree. How many winning teams have bad QBs? Not many.

A good QB is the commodity in the NFL.

There are 32 teams but there aren't 32 good QBs.

We have one, keep him.

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Trading Cousins would be retarded.

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[quote=kingj;1139717]Rapoport: The #Redskins are keeping all options open on Kirk Cousins. They have not ruled out tagging him and trading him, sources say.[/quote]

They were saying earlier yesterday that he most likely is headed to the Rams. Sources said that whatever happened the Redskins have soured on Cousins and appear to be moving in a different direction at QB. No word on if this means RG3 will be staying. It sure sounds like it...

Update: NFL.com reports that Redskins are going to place "transition" tag on Cousins, so that means he can negotiate with other teams, right??

Why do they want Cousins gone? WTF happened?

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the might be saying we think you're asking too much, see what you can get and we'll match it. scot and kirk's agent are actually friends.

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I'm thankful that we have some solid thinkers on this site to balance out the panicky Chicken Littles. Some of you guys have no intestinal fortitude.

Chill! This is a negotiation, it's a staring contest. Both sides are trying to make one another blink, which includes leaks to the media about possibilities of trades and transition tags to drive the value to a palatable point.

You have to take a step back and understand the big picture; Kirk loves Gruden and McVay especially. He has a strong line here, a fantastic deep threat in Jackson, an elite receiving TE in Reed, and he's eager to show he can do it again. If he left he'd have a whole new offense to learn.

Meanwhile the Skins haven't had promise at QB since the glimpse we saw from Robert in 2012. Aside from that you have to go back to Brad Johnson to find QB play to be genuinely proud of. Jay Gruden's offense is predicated on timing and quick decisions, which Cousins fits absolutely perfectly.

THEY BOTH WANT EACH OTHER.

I have a high level of confidence that a long term deal will be done by Week 1. Just chill, negotiations are cold hearted shit. You need to be willing to stare the other side down without blinking, that's all this is.

R E L A X.

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[quote=MTK;1139764]Trading Cousins would be retarded.[/quote]

No doubt, who the heck would want to start all over with a new quarterback search. It would set the team back two years.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1139765]They were saying earlier yesterday that he most likely is headed to the Rams. Sources said that whatever happened the Redskins have soured on Cousins and appear to be moving in a different direction at QB. No word on if this means RG3 will be staying. It sure sounds like it...

Update: NFL.com reports that Redskins are going to place "transition" tag on Cousins, so that means he can negotiate with other teams, right??

Why do they want Cousins gone? WTF happened?[/quote]

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[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/MikeGarafolo?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor[/url]

Makes sense if true. Looks like 16.5 million could be the end number...would be appropriate value

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[url=http://www.profootballrumors.com/washington-to-use-tag-on-kirk-cousins/]Washington To Use Tag On Kirk Cousins?[/url]

These are rumors, as indicated by the name of the website but. . .

If the team is offering 15mpy and Kirk wants 19mpy, a deal definitely gets done. 15m is a low ball offer.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1139778][url=http://www.profootballrumors.com/washington-to-use-tag-on-kirk-cousins/]Washington To Use Tag On Kirk Cousins?[/url]

These are rumors, as indicated by the name of the website but. . .

If the team is offering 15mpy and Kirk wants 19mpy, a deal definitely gets done. 15m is a low ball offer.[/quote]

I agree...definitely room to get this done.

$12.5M as an initial offer was definitely low-ball.

$16-$17M / year seems right.

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[B]Why on Earth would the Skins even consider the Transition tag?[/B] It only saves about 2 million over a Franchise tag, and unlike the non-exclusive FT the Skins get zero compensation if KC signs elsewhere. Whereas with the non-exclusive FT the Skins would get 1 first round picks should KC leave.

Frankly I don't how much difference there is in salary between the exclusive and non-exclusive FT, but I wouldn't risk a team being willing to pay the 2 draft picks. Give him the exclusive and keep negotiating.

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i too, would avoid the transition tag if i were in charge. needless risk.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1139778][url=http://www.profootballrumors.com/washington-to-use-tag-on-kirk-cousins/]Washington To Use Tag On Kirk Cousins?[/url]

These are rumors, as indicated by the name of the website but. . .

If the team is offering 15mpy and Kirk wants 19mpy, a deal definitely gets done. 15m is a low ball offer.[/quote]

From the article: "No player in the league did more over the last four weeks of the regular season to help his stock than Cousins, who completed 74% of his passes for nearly 1,200 yards, while posting a 12:1 touchdown-to-interception ratio to go along with a 134.0 quarterback rating. For the season, Cousins thew 29 touchdowns against 11 interceptions, led the league in completion percentage (69.8%), and helped Washington win its first division title since 2012."

Conclusion: This deal gets done. Jay Gruden's offense and Kirk Cousins' skillset are just too good of a match for the deal to not get done.

Now, as for the contract amount: Let's see, add 15 plus 19, then divide by 2...

Kirk will be paid an average of $17MM per season, which he should be because it is fair for where he ranks among NFL QB's. That would be a good deal for the Skins because Kirk's going to get better. He could end up in the Top 10 of NFL QB's. Also, if I were Kirk, my ego would not allow me to accept one cent less than the Skins paid RGIII to sit on the bench all last season ($16.5MM). I'd bet he and his agent feel the same way.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1139783]From the article: "No player in the league did more over the last four weeks of the regular season to help his stock than Cousins, who completed 74% of his passes for nearly 1,200 yards, while posting a 12:1 touchdown-to-interception ratio to go along with a 134.0 quarterback rating. For the season, Cousins thew 29 touchdowns against 11 interceptions, led the league in completion percentage (69.8%), and helped Washington win its first division title since 2012."

Conclusion: This deal gets done. Jay Gruden's offense and Kirk Cousins' skillset are just too good of a match for the deal to not get done.

Now, as for the contract amount: Let's see, add 15 plus 19, then divide by 2...

Kirk will be paid an average of $17MM per season, which he should be because it is fair for where he ranks among NFL QB's. That would be a good deal for the Skins because Kirk's going to get better. He could end up in the Top 10 of NFL QB's. Also, if I were Kirk, my ego would not allow me to accept one cent less than the Skins paid RGIII to sit on the bench all last season ($16.5MM). I'd bet he and his agent feel the same way.[/quote]

Everything you said was solid right up until you got your facts wrong like a presidential candidate. Robert was not paid 16M to sit on the bench last year, that number represents the salary he'd have this upcoming season if kept on the roster. He was paid somewhere in the neighborhood of 4M to 5M last year under the last year of his rookie deal before the Redskins exercised the option.

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never mind....

Schneed beat me to it