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Let me introduce you guys to Justin Tucker, aka the Ravens kicker. When he's not being one of the best at his position (I believe he's 18 for 18 beyond 40 yards this year) he likes making awkward dad jokes as seen here:
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And also singing opera:
[yt]93s9pHGUpjY[/yt]
Wow. Respect.

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[quote=mooby;1157263]Harbaugh took advantage of a loophole. The coaches who don't take advantage of loopholes are the ones that don't last. Every coach is looking for every advantage. Harbaugh might be the first coach to do this but he won't be the last.[/quote]

Time for a rule change to close that loophole. Holding is a foul, which means it is considered to be unfair. For the game to be closed out via a mass violation of the holding rule doesn't seem to me to be what the League would want.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1157276]Time for a rule change to close that loophole. Holding is a foul, which means it is considered to be unfair. For the game to be closed out via a mass violation of the holding rule doesn't seem to me to be what the League would want.[/quote]

Yeah I just don't get why the game can't end on a defensive penalty... but can end on an offensive penalty... The Bengals should've had the choice to accept the penalty, refuse the safety, and replay the down...

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Did anyone see Doug Peterson use his last challenge to gain 2 yards on a short pass play last night? Laughable how bad that was....

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1157277]Yeah I just don't get why the game can't end on a defensive penalty... but can end on an offensive penalty... The Bengals should've had the choice to accept the penalty, refuse the safety, and replay the down...[/QUOTE]



Because if it could end on a defensive penalty nobody would ever score at the end of a game. There would be pass interference, face mask tackling, etc etc.
What the Ravens did was basically run out the clock, but when you have the lead and the ball that is your choice.
I guess the nfl thinks if you have the ball and need to score that you should be given a fair opportunity to do so, but if you need to get the ball back AND score that you are fucked anyway.
Plus remember that if you have the ball and it is the last play and you are losing - it obviously is not fair that if you commit a penalty that you should get another shot. It is a very fair rule in that way.

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[quote=punch it in;1157279]Because if it could end on a defensive penalty nobody would ever score at the end of a game. There would be pass interference, face mask tackling, etc etc.
What the Ravens did was basically run out the clock, but when you have the lead and the ball that is your choice.
I guess the nfl thinks if you have the ball and need to score that you should be given a fair opportunity to do so, but if you need to get the ball back AND score that you are fucked anyway.
Plus remember that if you have the ball and it is the last play and you are losing - it obviously is not fair that if you commit a penalty that you should get another shot. It is a very fair rule in that way.[/quote]

I totally get why the game can't end on a defensive penalty... what I disagree with is that it can end on an offensive penalty. I think it should always be the choice of the team "victim" of the penalty.

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RG-3 cleared for full contact. Look out. Lol

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1157201]I hope kirk becomes lethal like drew.. That man is fun to watch

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Cannot be anymore lethal than he has been....

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1157280]I totally get why the game can't end on a defensive penalty... what I disagree with is that it can end on an offensive penalty. [B]I think it should always be the choice of the team "victim" of the penalty[/B].[/quote]

That is a really good, common sense idea. It fixes a potential abuse of the rules without impacting anything other than the specific loophole it is designed to remedy.

For those reasons, it'll never be enacted.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1157276]Time for a rule change to close that loophole. Holding is a foul, which means it is considered to be unfair. For the game to be closed out via a mass violation of the holding rule doesn't seem to me to be what the League would want.[/quote]

Pretty sure after all the media attention the NFL will discuss it this offseason. But like most rule changes they do, it will be overkill vs. a simple solution like what Frenchskin suggested.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1157280]I totally get why the game can't end on a defensive penalty... what I disagree with is that it can end on an offensive penalty. I think it should always be the choice of the team "victim" of the penalty.[/QUOTE]



Why should a team be rewarded with an extra play at the end of the game when they commit a penalty?
The team is backed up all the way in their own end. They are going to try some lateral crap or just heave one long rite? So the quarterback snaps the ball and doesn't like what he sees. Or they are lateraling the ball down the field and it becomes quite apparent that the play is about to end. What to do? I know commit a blatant penalty and try again. So it has to end on an offensive penalty.



On a defensive penalty it can just never end.

If the offensive team is winning (unlike the example above) and commits a penalty. well tough shit. You are talking about one play where a miracle would have to happen anyway. They would have to differentiate the rules depending on whether the offensive team is winning or losing during the last play of the gameand all because a miracle finish just might happen? If you are in a situation where you need a miracle to win well than you probably deserve to lose anyway.

Im trying hard to see it from the other angle. I mean they would have to differentiate between whether the offense is winning or losing? If you are losing and commit a penalty it should definitely be over. If you are winning and commit a penalty than you replay the down?
Seems hokie.

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[quote=punch it in;1157288]Cannot be anymore lethal than he has been....[/quote]

Yes, he can. He needs to be lethal in the redzone.

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[quote=J. Falcon;1157297]Yes, he can. He needs to be lethal in the redzone.[/quote]

bingo...garbage in the redzone has cost us multiple games....I put that on McVay too.

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[quote=punch it in;1157296]Why should a team be rewarded with an extra play at the end of the game when they commit a penalty?
[/quote]

I'm saying the exact opposite. Should be the choice of the team that DIDN'T commit the penalty: do you accept the penalty and replay the down or decline the penalty and the game is over? To me that works in every situation, doesn't it?

That's what I meant by "victim" of the penalty. Maybe there's a better word for it but english isn't my native language...

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1157301]I'm saying the exact opposite. Should be the choice of the team that DIDN'T commit the penalty: do you accept the penalty and replay the down or decline the penalty and the game is over? To me that works in every situation, doesn't it?



That's what I meant by "victim" of the penalty. Maybe there's a better word for it but english isn't my native language...[/QUOTE]



Well if the defense commits the penalty the game should never be over. If the offense is winning they are taking a knee anyway. I think we all understand that.
So....that leaves us the offense committing a penalty. If they are losing when they commit the penalty I think the game has to end right?
Which leaves us the Baltimore example - a team has the ball and they are winning when they commit a penalty on the last play.....
I suppose that the league could tweak the rules so that the game cannot end on a penalty committed by a winning team who is on offense.
I still think it is silly because it will still take a miracle.
My question is what if , for example in the Baltimore game, when the defense realized what was going on one of their players just blatantly grabs a facemask to get a call on the defense? Than what?

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[quote=punch it in;1157287]RG-3 cleared for full contact. Look out. Lol[/quote]

he didn't work out here, but lots of failed first round picks recover somewhat during second acts elsewhere. Do you ever wonder what might happen with him if he would have landed on a team that was more talented than Cleveland?

I think the RG3 hate here is over, but i kind of wonder if he could have at least reached game-manager type status somewhere else, instead of being literally looked upon at one time as the savior by Hue Jackson...

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1157304]he didn't work out here, but lots of failed first round picks recover somewhat during second acts elsewhere. [B]Do you ever wonder what might happen with him if he would have landed on a team that was more talented than Cleveland?[/B]

I think the RG3 hate here is over, but i kind of wonder if he could have at least reached game-manager type status somewhere else, instead of being literally looked upon at one time as the savior by Hue Jackson...[/quote]

No, because he's not a pocket passer, he can't read defenses, he's lost his superior speed and elusiveness due to injuries, and he is now too injury prone to stay on the field long enough to improve the things that he could improve.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1157301]I'm saying the exact opposite. Should be the choice of the team that DIDN'T commit the penalty: do you accept the penalty and replay the down or decline the penalty and the game is over? To me that works in every situation, doesn't it?

That's what I meant by "victim" of the penalty. Maybe there's a better word for it but [B]english isn't my native language[/B]...[/quote]

Apparently, it's not his either. :laughing-

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1157307]Apparently, it's not his either. :laughing-[/QUOTE]



Who?
Me? I am just having a Monday conversation with French. I do not really have a problem with the rules as they are now. Not sure what you mean about not speaking English but whatevs.

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[QUOTE=J. Falcon;1157297]Yes, he can. He needs to be lethal in the redzone.[/QUOTE]



I put that totally on McVay. Cousins makes every throw he is asked too minus the stupid fades that have no chance.

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[quote=punch it in;1157309]I put that totally on McVay. Cousins makes every throw he is asked too minus the stupid fades that have no chance.[/quote]

So, who's fault is it when Cousins audibles?

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1157304]he didn't work out here, but lots of failed first round picks recover somewhat during second acts elsewhere. Do you ever wonder what might happen with him if he would have landed on a team that was more talented than Cleveland?



I think the RG3 hate here is over, but i kind of wonder if he could have at least reached game-manager type status somewhere else, instead of being literally looked upon at one time as the savior by Hue Jackson...[/QUOTE]



1) no I do not wonder because he could be in any situation and he would still be a terrible quarterback.
2) I don't hate the man. Lol. I just think he turned out to be a lousy quarterback.

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[QUOTE=Bangee7;1157311]So, who's fault is it when Cousins audibles?[/QUOTE]



Ok "totally" was a bit strong. Do we know how many throws Cousins has missed on audibles or how many bad audibles in general he has run in the rz? Do they keep such stats?
For the most part I put it on McVay how about that?
We have seen KC thread the needle down there. I think a lot, as in almost all, of times McVay is putting KC behind the 8 ball with his playcalling.

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[quote=punch it in;1157313]Ok "totally" was a bit strong. Do we know how many throws Cousins has missed on audibles or how many bad audibles in general he has run in the rz? Do they keep such stats?
For the most part I put it on McVay how about that?
We have seen KC thread the needle down there. I think a lot of times McVay is putting KC behind the 8 ball with his playcalling.[/quote]

I'm sure the coaches & front office keep stats on that. But to be honest, if it was too bad, they'd probably pull the reigns back.

I think you're right that McVay should take the most heat, especially that stupid ass wild cat play against Dallas. I'm still pissed about that!

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1157304]he didn't work out here, but lots of failed first round picks recover somewhat during second acts elsewhere. Do you ever wonder what might happen with him if he would have landed on a team that was more talented than Cleveland?



I think the RG3 hate here is over, but i kind of wonder if he could have at least reached game-manager type status somewhere else, instead of being literally looked upon at one time as the savior by Hue Jackson...[/QUOTE]


The guy simply can't stay healthy long enough to develop on the field. It doesn't matter where he plays at this point.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1157315]The guy simply can't stay healthy long enough to develop on the field. It doesn't matter where he plays at this point.[/QUOTE]



I think he had ample time while healthy in Washington to show us something more than he did....
Although even if he could play -yeah- he would never stay healthy anyway.

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[quote=punch it in;1157308]Who?
Me? I am just having a Monday conversation with French. I do not really have a problem with the rules as they are now. Not sure what you mean about not speaking English but whatevs.[/quote]

It was just just a dumb joke.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1157317]It was just just a dumb joke.[/QUOTE]



I know. I did not want to come across as being argumentative just to be argumentative though because people like that should be punished. Lol.
I was just trying to figure out what exactly he would want to change. I personally have no problem with the rule.
I still want to know what would happen if someone on the defense just blatantly grabbed a facemask to get a penalty what the result would be? If someone grabbed one of the ravens facemasks when they realized what was happening would Baltimore have to punt again? What would happen with the game-clock also?

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Poor RG3 [emoji33] [emoji6]


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[quote=mooby;1157275]Let me introduce you guys to Justin Tucker, aka the Ravens kicker. When he's not being one of the best at his position (I believe he's 18 for 18 beyond 40 yards this year) he likes making awkward dad jokes as seen here:
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And also singing opera:
[yt]93s9pHGUpjY[/yt]
Wow. Respect.[/quote]

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/11/29/baltimores-justin-tucker-wants-a-point-for-splitting-the-uprights-on-a-kickoff/?utm_term=.4b22c63d7084[/url]
Baltimore’s Justin Tucker wants a point for splitting the uprights on a kickoff

Heard this on dan Patrick...I don't know about a point, but I think if you kick it through the uprights, maybe starting at the 15 instead of the 25 would be actually a decent idea.

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Yeah as after the Bengals dismal season Marvin Lewis days with the team are over.

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[quote=punch it in;1157303]Well if the defense commits the penalty the game should never be over. If the offense is winning they are taking a knee anyway. I think we all understand that.
So....that leaves us the offense committing a penalty. [B]1) If they are losing when they commit the penalty I think the game has to end right?[/B]
Which leaves us the Baltimore example - a team has the ball and they are winning when they commit a penalty on the last play.....
I suppose that the league could tweak the rules so that the game cannot end on a penalty committed by a winning team who is on offense.
I still think it is silly because it will still take a miracle.
[B]2) My question is what if , for example in the Baltimore game, when the defense realized what was going on one of their players just blatantly grabs a facemask to get a call on the defense? Than what?[/B][/quote]

1) If they are losing then the team on defense will be smart enough to decline the penalty and end the game.

2) Well, with the actual rules, I'm guessing this would be off-setting penalties, I'm not sure wether they would have to replay the down (based on a game can't end on a defensive penalty) or the game would've been over (based on clock expired and penalties offset). With "my" idea they would have to replay the down because one of the 2 teams "victims" of a penalty (in that case the defense) would chose to replay the down. But not because they committed a penalty, because the offense did, so there is no incentive to commit a penalty. Actually it's the actual rules that are encouraging a winning team that cannot kill the clock to commit penalties to end the game...

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[quote=punch it in;1157318]I know. I did not want to come across as being argumentative just to be argumentative though because people like that should be punished. Lol.
I was just trying to figure out what exactly he would want to change. I personally have no problem with the rule.
I still want to know what would happen if someone on the defense just blatantly grabbed a facemask to get a penalty what the result would be? If someone grabbed one of the ravens facemasks when they realized what was happening would Baltimore have to punt again? What would happen with the game-clock also?[/quote]

I like to discuss, forces to really think an idea through.

When you say you have no problem with the rule, that means you are okay if more and more games end the way bengals @ ravens game ended?

I'm okay with the playcall because it was legal, smart play. But I'm not okay with the rules allowing this.

Just imagine, playoffs, Redskins @ Cowboys, we're trailing 14 - 23, we score a TD with 1:15 left in the game, 21 - 23, we have 3 timeouts left. Onside kick, the cowboys recover. They don't want to take any chances so they snap the ball, Dak runs away to the 5yards line, all other 10 players commit holdings, facemasks, whatever the F needs to be done to prevent any redskins player to get to Dak, to linemen follow him around and throw white powder in the face of defenders WWE style. That for 1:15. Cowboys win.

Ok they sure would be fined after the game for some of the personal fouls. But still a legal win. I'm not ok with that ^^

That's a stretch but you get my point...

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1157329]I like to discuss, forces to really think an idea through.



When you say you have no problem with the rule, that means you are okay if more and more games end the way bengals @ ravens game ended?



I'm okay with the playcall because it was legal, smart play. But I'm not okay with the rules allowing this.



Just imagine, playoffs, Redskins @ Cowboys, we're trailing 14 - 23, we score a TD with 1:15 left in the game, 21 - 23, we have 3 timeouts left. Onside kick, the cowboys recover. They don't want to take any chances so they snap the ball, Dak runs away to the 5yards line, all other 10 players commit holdings, facemasks, whatever the F needs to be done to prevent any redskins player to get to Dak, to linemen follow him around and throw white powder in the face of defenders WWE style. That for 1:15. Cowboys win.



Ok they sure would be fined after the game for some of the personal fouls. But still a legal win. I'm not ok with that ^^



That's a stretch but you get my point...[/QUOTE]



Hah in that scenario just hit dak with a folding chair, and climb up to the top rope for the big finish!
Seriously I am fine with your proposal, it will only come into play normally on the last play. How many last play miracles are there ?

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1157329]I like to discuss, forces to really think an idea through.

When you say you have no problem with the rule, that means you are okay if more and more games end the way bengals @ ravens game ended?

I'm okay with the playcall because it was legal, smart play. But I'm not okay with the rules allowing this.

Just imagine, playoffs, Redskins @ Cowboys, we're trailing 14 - 23, we score a TD with 1:15 left in the game, 21 - 23, we have 3 timeouts left. Onside kick, the cowboys recover. They don't want to take any chances so they snap the ball, Dak runs away to the 5yards line, all other 10 players commit holdings, facemasks, whatever the F needs to be done to prevent any redskins player to get to Dak, to linemen follow him around and throw white powder in the face of defenders WWE style. That for 1:15. Cowboys win.

Ok they sure would be fined after the game for some of the personal fouls. But still a legal win. I'm not ok with that ^^

That's a stretch but you get my point...[/QUOTE]
Right now there are rules for that. 1 - repeated personal fouls result in ejections.
2 - teams making palpably unfair acts can be penalized and time added back to the clock. So in your scenario Dallas would likely lose players AND give us the ball back with more time.

There is a reason these things don't happen consistently.

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For me watching Griffin is pure morbid curiosity. I want to see him play cause I'm waiting for the next car crash.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1157333]For me watching Griffin is pure morbid curiosity. I want to see him play cause I'm waiting for the next car crash.[/QUOTE]



I'll save you the trouble:
9-27
132 yards passing
19 yards running
0 td's
1 int
3 awkward slides
1 twisted ankle

Edit: I totally hear you though, and it is not that I am rooting against him. It is just that I do not understand why people still think that he can succeed at this level.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1157329]I like to discuss, forces to really think an idea through.

When you say you have no problem with the rule, that means you are okay if more and more games end the way bengals @ ravens game ended?

I'm okay with the playcall because it was legal, smart play. But I'm not okay with the rules allowing this.

Just imagine, playoffs, Redskins @ Cowboys, we're trailing 14 - 23, we score a TD with 1:15 left in the game, 21 - 23, we have 3 timeouts left. Onside kick, the cowboys recover. They don't want to take any chances so they snap the ball, Dak runs away to the 5yards line, all other 10 players commit holdings, facemasks, whatever the F needs to be done to prevent any redskins player to get to Dak, to [B]linemen follow him around and throw white powder in the face of defenders WWE style[/B]. That for 1:15. Cowboys win.

Ok they sure would be fined after the game for some of the personal fouls. But still a legal win. I'm not ok with that ^^

That's a stretch but you get my point...[/quote]

I like the white powder in the eyes idea. Very XFL-like. But don't give John Harbaugh any more ideas. He's shady enough as it is.

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I had a discussion with a cowboys fan and he literally just told me that Dak is having a way better rookie yr than RG3 had and he's just as good as a runner lmfao!!! I love delusional cowboys fans. I can't wait until next year when teams have film on him for a whole off season. He's going to crash right back to earth with their fans

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Speaking of crashing to earth...Whats RG3's ego gonna be like if he is under center for the Browns leading them to an 0-16 season?