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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1161150]I am still waiting for an explanation as to why they did not use the timeouts at the end of the first half. Did any reporter have the guts to ask ?[/QUOTE]



That was seriously the most disgusting decision or non - decision I ever saw. It is not like we ripped off a big chunk of yardage on a run as time was winding down. We were around midfield with over 20 seconds left. With two fucking timeouts and an offense who goes 20 yards in the air at a clip better than they go 2 on the ground!
How fucking stupid can you be?

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we really lacked toughness yesterday....the Giants came in and pillaged us.

Scott's got some real work to. I'm starting to wonder how much of the Seattle rebuild was Scott and how much was John Schneider's effort.

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[QUOTE=Bangee7;1161154]we really lacked toughness yesterday....the Giants came in and pillaged us.



Scott's got some real work to. I'm starting to wonder how much of the Seattle rebuild was Scott and how much was John Schneider's effort.[/QUOTE]



Exactly where I have been afraid to let my mind wander for a while now. What I have seen so far is really just mediocre shit. Maybe less than mediocre if a couple of these other draft picks do not pan out.

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McCloughan was also in successful front offices in Green Bay and SF, so let's stop with this nonsense like he doesn't know what he's doing.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1161141]The most puzzling thing to me: why can't this team run the ball? That 3rd and half a yard fail on the opening drive set the tone for the entire game. We also failed to convert a 3rd and 2 in the first half. The toughness that McGloughan promised just isn't there yet. Our backs got hit behind the line of scrimmage this year more than any Redskins team in memory. With so many passing weapons, you would think that it would be easier to run the ball. Gruden gets very little out of the running game, and that problem needs to be solved.[/quote]

We can start to improve the running game by acknowledging some things:

1. We are weak at LG and C.
2. We don't have a prime RB on the team.
3. Our TE blocking is pathetic.
4. Our play-calling is predictable and unimaginative.
5. We need to carry a FB on the roster for certain situations.

If the staff would admit these deficiencies and stop tolerating mediocrity, the running game problems could be solved.

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[quote=MTK;1161163]McCloughan was also in successful front offices in Green Bay and SF, so let's stop with this nonsense like he doesn't know what he's doing.[/quote]

Agree. I see some kneejerking and short-sightedness going on here, per yesterday's dismal showing.

He's only been on the job for 2 years. We've had winning records in both seasons, along with a playoff berth and a divisional title.

His first draft is actually alright. Scherff and Crowder are definite "keepers."

Preston Smith looked like one a season ago, but didn't take the leap that I thought he would take this season. But, I still wouldn't give up on him. I also believe his game might take off with a better coordinator and, possibly, better personnel around him. If Matt Jones can take care of his fumbling issues, then he's more than serviceable. Some players fumble their way out of the league, while a few take care of that particular problem.

Martrell Spaight could eventually turn into a starter, as a 5th round pick from SMAC's first draft. Kyshoen Jarrett was actually playing well, as a 6th round rookie last season until his awful injury.

You can't really get a read on a draft until the third season of said draft, and McCloughan's first draft was actually a decent class.

This past draft hasn't paid immediate dividends, as Cravens was the only player who truly contributed. Fuller had his issues, and was finally benched. Of course, Doctson with his achilles injury. Again, it typically takes three seasons before you can truly grade a draft class.

The only bad move(s) made by SMAC was this past season FA acquisitions. I believe most of those dudes will be shortly relieved of their duties. I think we'll see a different way about going after defensive personnel--via free agency and the draft-- this offseason. I also hope we find another defensive coordinator in the process.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1161179]We can start to improve the running game by acknowledging some things:

1. We are weak at LG and C.
2. We don't have a prime RB on the team.
3. Our TE blocking is pathetic.
4. Our play-calling is predictable and unimaginative.
5. We need to carry a FB on the roster for certain situations.

If the staff would admit these deficiencies and stop tolerating mediocrity, the running game problems could be solved.[/quote]

You can't fix everything in the offseason, but I think the C position is serviceable. We certainly need a LG. You can find a decent back in the draft or via FA.

I believe you're gonna see a focus on defense. We need safeties and need to get faster, overall, in the back 7. I like Compton, as he's smart and tough. He typically is where he's supposed to be, but he's slow. Outside of Baker, on the defensive line, then it's a bunch of "ordinary" personnel.

I suspect you'll see us be judicious when it comes to defensive personnel, this offseason. I sense we'll be active in FA and defense being the main focus in the draft.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1161163]McCloughan was also in successful front offices in Green Bay and SF, so let's stop with this nonsense like he doesn't know what he's doing.[/QUOTE]



Well he did not run anything in Green Bay. He was a scout. When we look at San Francisco he was released in 2010. Before they became really good, and alot of those defensive studs he helped acquire turned out to be nut jobs and criminals. Kaep had alot to do with their couple years of success. So did Harbaugh. If you really read between the lines you could make the case that he did very little for either of those teams?
Time will tell what he brings to the table here, but as it stands rite now it has been mediocre at best.

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[quote=punch it in;1161185]Well he did not run anything in Green Bay. He was a scout. When we look at San Francisco he was released in 2010. Before they became really good, and alot of those defensive studs he helped acquire turned out to be nut jobs and criminals. Kaep had alot to do with their couple years of success. So did Harbaugh. [B]If you really read between the lines you could make the case that he did very little for either of those teams?[/B]
Time will tell what he brings to the table here, but as it stands rite now it has been mediocre at best.[/quote]

Sure, if you just want to make things up.

Who were the multiple nut jobs and criminals in SF? Did they not get to a SB with a roster that he played a significant role in building?

In the end his resume speaks for itself. You're acting like we just went 4-12 the last 2 years. Just a handful of guys he is responsible for drafting:

Alex Smith
Frank Gore
Vernon Davis
Delanie Walker
Patrick Willis
Joe Staley
Michael Crabtree
Russell Okung
Earl Thomas
Golden Tate
Kam Chancellor
Richard Sherman
Russell Wilson
Byron Maxwell
Bobby Wagner

Come on man.

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Punch sober the fuck up.

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[quote=MTK;1161191]Sure, if you just want to make things up.

Who were the multiple nut jobs and criminals in SF? Did they not get to a SB with a roster that he played a significant role in building?

In the end his resume speaks for itself. You're acting like we just went 4-12 the last 2 years. Just a handful of guys he is responsible for drafting:

Alex Smith
Frank Gore
Vernon Davis
Delanie Walker
Patrick Willis
Joe Staley
Michael Crabtree
Russell Okung
Earl Thomas
Golden Tate
Kam Chancellor
Richard Sherman
Russell Wilson
Byron Maxwell
Bobby Wagner

Come on man.[/quote]

Was just about to post the same list. You beat me to it. How anybody complains about Scot Mccloughan after two winning seasons is beyond my comprehension.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1161191]Sure, if you just want to make things up.



Who were the multiple nut jobs and criminals in SF? Did they not get to a SB with a roster that he played a significant role in building?



In the end his resume speaks for itself. You're acting like we just went 4-12 the last 2 years. Just a handful of guys he is responsible for drafting:



Alex Smith

Frank Gore

Vernon Davis

Delanie Walker

Patrick Willis

Joe Staley

Michael Crabtree

Russell Okung

Earl Thomas

Golden Tate

Kam Chancellor

Richard Sherman

Russell Wilson

Byron Maxwell

Bobby Wagner



Come on man.[/QUOTE]



Just seems like San Fran players are in trouble every year. Maybe not his guys. Aldon Smith was not I believe. He is probably responsible for half of the arrests. Lol
A lot of those guys on your list, as we mentioned, maybe were Schneider guys. Even so that list dates back to 2005. That is 11 years. It is a good pick or two a year.
Alex Smith was a no brainer. The consensus number one at the time. Not rocket science there.
Guys like Crowder are the ones that make a gm great. Full credit there. Over the last 11 years how many gems has he found? Again read between the lines. To say hey he took that stud out of college with that top ten pick well only guys like Vinny trade those away.
I am not saying Scot is a failure per say. I am just pumping the breaks on the idea he is Bobby Beathard 2.0.
Certainly not acting like we went 4-12. I have used the word mediocre several times. Mediocre as in 6-9 wins.
You guys are the ones acting like we won 4 games a year for 20 years until 2015. That is simply not the case. As I pointed out earlier we won 7-9 games 9 different years during the dark ages. There is not a whole shit ton of change here as we would all like to believe. We had two seasons in a row that we did not absolutely crap the bed. That is great. Lets remember how god awful the nfc east was last year though.
Time will tell if we are truly trending up or if we are the same old mediocre team. The other night we had it all there for the taking. A home game with a playoff birth on the line, and our run defense allowed the Giants their first and only hundred yard rusher of the season, our hc had a major brain fart at half, our oline was atrocious, our quarterback was awful. So excuse me for thinking that maybe we are the same old Skins.

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Jesus H Christ.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1161196]Punch sober the fuck up.[/QUOTE]



Chico man I am just being cautiously pessimistic instead of cautiously optimistic. After that last game I think I have every reason in the world to do so. Next year is year three of the new regime. Are you that confident that we are taking the next step? I mean I understand being hopeful and all, but I see not much difference between this team or teams over the last 20 years. At least not where it counts. Which is winning big games. Winning playoff games. Making the playoffs consecutive years. Ill get outta here until i cool off, but you know damn well that you are as disappointed in this team as I am.

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If you can't see any progress there's just no helping you.

We finished last in the division 8 out of 10 times in 2004-2014. We won 7 games combined in 2013-2014.

But yeah, it's the same old Skins, no progress whatsoever. For real??

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[quote=skinsfan69;1161148]Well one thing is for sure, this staff needs to get better with clock management.[/quote]

I agree with this. Too many times they looked unprepared at the end of the half.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1161210]If you can't see any progress there's just no helping you.



We finished last in the division 8 out of 10 times in 2004-2014. We won 7 games combined in 2013-2014.



But yeah, it's the same old Skins, no progress whatsoever. For real??[/QUOTE]



Matty what I see is enough progress not to finish last. Lol. Though if im not mistaken we just finished third. 2013-14 was pure shit. Yea we are better than that. So what? We are not the Cleveland Browns.
If this team is progressing-truly progressing- than Id expect we are back in the playoffs next year. Scot has another draft, and free agency period. Provided we stay healthy- for the most part- than logical progress would point to a playoff birth. Maybe their is a difference of opinion about what we consider progress. Simply not being a doormat team is not what I had in mind. Yes we are not a laughing stock. Though that last game was pretty laughable.
If you are right about us trending up than there is no where to go but the playoffs next year - again barring major injuries, or weed suspensions. Fucking Trent might have cost us that one damn win we needed.
Im a fucking die hard. Make the playoffs next year and make me eat crow. Please!!!! Im dying for some crow man. But to think that this team will win 7 games next year does not make me a drunk idiot who makes things up. Lol. I still see a shit ton of holes and a major problem with our coaching staff. Sorry.

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[quote=punch it in;1161221]Matty what I see is enough progress not to finish last. Lol. Though if im not mistaken we just finished third. 2013-14 was pure shit. Yea we are better than that. So what? We are not the Cleveland Browns.
If this team is progressing-truly progressing- than Id expect we are back in the playoffs next year. Scot has another draft, and free agency period. Provided we stay healthy- for the most part- than logical progress would point to a playoff birth. Maybe their is a difference of opinion about what we consider progress. Simply not being a doormat team is not what I had in mind. Yes we are not a laughing stock. Though that last game was pretty laughable.
If you are right about us trending up than there is no where to go but the playoffs next year - again barring major injuries, or weed suspensions. Fucking Trent might have cost us that one damn win we needed.
Im a fucking die hard. Make the playoffs next year and make me eat crow. Please!!!! Im dying for some crow man. But to think that this team will win 7 games next year does not make me a drunk idiot who makes things up. Lol. I still see a shit ton of holes and a major problem with our coaching staff. Sorry.[/quote]

Punch I have always respected you but I feel you are overreacting on this one. How do you even have expectations for next year? They haven't made a single move yet. They probably are still conducting exit interviews today. Maybe I will start being concerned if we haven't made any moves and training camp is about to start. But we're a long way off from that.

I think people lose sight of the fact this is the ultimate team sport. No one man can move the ball down the field single-handedly. No one man can stop every play on defense. We lost yesterday and to the Panthers because the entire team looked bad. I am putting that on Jay Gruden, it is on him and the staff to have us prepared for big games, and they clearly weren't. But it's not all on him, we still have a talent deficiency and that's on McC. Let's just give them another offseason to get their shit together and see where we're at after next year. Anything less than playoffs is obviously a disappointment.

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[quote=punch it in;1161185]Well he did not run anything in Green Bay. He was a scout. When we look at San Francisco he was released in 2010. Before they became really good, and alot of those defensive studs he helped acquire turned out to be nut jobs and criminals. Kaep had alot to do with their couple years of success. So did Harbaugh. If you really read between the lines you could make the case that he did very little for either of those teams?
Time will tell what he brings to the table here, but as it stands rite now it has been mediocre at best.[/quote]

Two winning records in his first two seasons and a trip to the playoffs. You are correct, mediocre at best.

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I guess in 2 years we needed to be SB bound to please some people. Oh well. Reality sucks.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1161227]Punch I have always respected you but I feel you are overreacting on this one. How do you even have expectations for next year? They haven't made a single move yet. They probably are still conducting exit interviews today. Maybe I will start being concerned if we haven't made any moves and training camp is about to start. But we're a long way off from that.



I think people lose sight of the fact this is the ultimate team sport. No one man can move the ball down the field single-handedly. No one man can stop every play on defense. We lost yesterday and to the Panthers because the entire team looked bad. I am putting that on Jay Gruden, it is on him and the staff to have us prepared for big games, and they clearly weren't. But it's not all on him, we still have a talent deficiency and that's on McC. Let's just give them another offseason to get their shit together and see where we're at after next year. Anything less than playoffs is obviously a disappointment.[/QUOTE]



I hate the Giants with a passion. I live in Giant country. Im definitely overreacting to a point. I do not want to burn it all down. I said that.
What I see when I try to be real about our situation is a quarterback who MIGHT be the guy if he can stop with the deadly mistakes in crunch time. A coaching staff that is still completely in question. A defense that certainly needs at leadt three or four difference makers. An oline that inexplicably cannot run block. A need for a real rb too. A wr corp that might need a tight end due to Reeds injury woes. Djax probably being gone. A first round pick that we have no idea about. A kicking problem.
I mean I hate to sound so pessimistic bur this teams future has a shit ton of question marks, not the feel of a team on the verge of great things. Again sorry. Lol.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1161231]I guess in 2 years we needed to be SB bound to please some people. Oh well. Reality sucks.[/QUOTE]



No not at all. The other night was the litmus test for me that we have all been waiting for. We failed. As i get over it I will put everything in perspective and again I say next year I expect to make the playoffs if we are where you think we are. Again barring major injuries. So maybe my reaction is a year early. If we finish 7-9 next year or 8-8 than can i be concerned?

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[quote=MTK;1161231]I guess in 2 years we needed to be SB bound to please some people. Oh well. Reality sucks.[/quote]

At the beginning of the season I thought we could've had a losing record and been a better quality team than they were in 2015. They ended up with a slightly above average record and were a better team. They had a chance to win 12 games this year, there is no way we had a chance to win 12 in 2015. Back to back winning seasons is a step in the right direction. Players and fans should be disappointed with yesterday but I see future potential for this team which I haven't felt in a long time.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1161241]At the beginning of the season I thought we could've had a losing record and been a better quality team than they were in 2015. They ended up with a slightly above average record and were a better team. They had a chance to win 12 games this year, there is no way we had a chance to win 12 in 2015. Back to back winning seasons is a step in the right direction. Players and fans should be disappointed with yesterday but I see future potential for this team which I haven't felt in a long time.[/quote]

I definitely agree. Progress wasn't made in the W/L column but I definitely felt we were a better team this year and had more quality wins.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1161163]McCloughan was also in successful front offices in Green Bay and SF, so let's stop with this nonsense like he doesn't know what he's doing.[/QUOTE]
Losing does this to most fans. I understand it sucks we didn't make a push this yr but it happens. We all said 9 wins would be a good season so now y is everyone so down and out?? We basically won 9 games if DH makes that gimme FG

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I think it hurts more this year, because our kicker lost us two games. With an average kicker, we could have been 10-6. This would be an improvement from last year playing a harder schedule.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1161245]Losing does this to most fans. I understand it sucks we didn't make a push this yr but it happens. We all said 9 wins would be a good season so now y is everyone so down and out?? We basically won 9 games if DH makes that gimme FG[/quote]

I feel like most fan predictions were 7-9 wins.

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Dale Earhadt Jr. says:

Scot McCloughan drafts are starting to bear fruit. Deep at WR even w/ unsigned FAs. Improved OLine. Need to retain coaching top to bottom...

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[QUOTE=MTK;1161251]I feel like most fan predictions were 7-9 wins.[/QUOTE]



I predicted 10-11 i think. Guess i had too high of expectations which would explain my disdain with how the season just unfolded.
Being somewhat relevant is a good thing, but i have this feeling things are going to get worse before they get better yet again. Chalk it up to two decades.
Right now i would put my money on a 5 win season over a ten win season next year if those were my choices and one was the truth.
Just too many questions and holes imo still.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1161259]I predicted 10-11 i think. Guess i had too high of expectations which would explain my disdain with how the season just unfolded.
Being somewhat relevant is a good thing, but i have this feeling things are going to get worse before they get better yet again. Chalk it up to two decades.
Right now i would put my money on a 5 win season over a ten win season next year if those were my choices and one was the truth.
Just too many questions and holes imo still.[/QUOTE]



I'd take that bet, how about $100 says we're closer to 10 wins than 5.

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I think we take the step next year. I was a year ahead this year. I see us winning exactly 10 games next year. This is based off the defensive improvements I think we'll see after another FA period and draft.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1161267]I'd take that bet, how about $100 says we're closer to 10 wins than 5.[/QUOTE]



Well the question did not include an "or somewhere in between" clause. It was either 10 or 5. Tried to leave a wide margin between options for the sake of the question. I certainly do not expect them to win five. However if somehow I had a peek into the future and was told it would be either 5 or 10 I would choose 5 - albeit id be surprised by that number - just not as surprised as i would be with 10. I expect them to win 7-9 actually and if If i take your bet - with my luck - they would win 8 and id be pissed off at the season and out 100 bucks. Lol.

I would consider 100 dollars on whether or not they make the playoffs.....if i were a gambling man.

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Ok $100 says they make the playoffs next year.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1161291]I think we take the step next year. I was a year ahead this year. I see us winning exactly 10 games next year. This is based off the defensive improvements I think we'll see after another FA period and draft.[/QUOTE]



Giants and Dallas should be good again. Eagles should improve too. Chiefs, Raiders, Arizona, Denver, Seattle, Vikings, Saints. 10 wins is a tall order. Of course a lot can happen between now and than. Upon first glance that is not looking like an easy road.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1161294]Ok $100 says they make the playoffs next year.[/QUOTE]



I said .... if i were a gambling man. Haha. You're trying hard to get me to stand by my gut feeling about this team going forward.
I honestly do not gamble, and I honestly hope I am dead wrong. FFB is about as close as I come to gambling, but that is fun as fuck so I feel like i am getting something in return for my money - win or lose.
I gambled one time on a Clippers vs Jazz game years ago when the Clippers were winning like 10 games a year. Utah had Malone and Stockton. No injuries. It was in Utah. I put about 100 or 200 dollars down because the spread was low and I was giving my friend advice. He did not even watch sports so he would say "hey what looks good"? He kept winning off of my advice. So anyway I bet on Utah to cover - maybe 8 points?- at home. Clippers smoked them. It was an inglorious start and finish to my gambling prowess.
Edit- 3/27/99 Clippers 103 Jazz 77. Clippers won 8 or 9 games. Utah was championship caliber. Lost by 26? Really? I still want my money back.

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I don't gamble much either, but I feel pretty good about where we're headed in spite of a very disappointing finish to this year.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1161297]I don't gamble much either, but I feel pretty good about where we're headed in spite of a very disappointing finish to this year.[/QUOTE]



Wish i did,..... ill come around after some draft day kool aid.
I hate the fucking giants man. That was a dagger to my heart.

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[quote=punch it in;1161295]Giants and Dallas should be good again. Eagles should improve too. Chiefs, Raiders, Arizona, Denver, Seattle, Vikings, Saints. 10 wins is a tall order. Of course a lot can happen between now and than. Upon first glance that is not looking like an easy road.[/quote]

We could have beat the Cowboys twice, 1-1 against the Giants, and 2-0 against Eagles. Not saying we will, but there is no reason we can't go 4-2 in those games. I think 6-4 vs. the remaining 10 isn't shooting too high.

We have extra picks and good cap. We should be able to improve as much or more than any other team in the NFL if we have a good FA/draft.

So I'll go with 10.

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I just need the Giants and Cowboys to lose. Early. Than I can start to maybe convince myself of a bright future. Convince myself KC is Captain Kirk again instead of Captain Jerk. I mean I have been singing his praises through thick and thin but that throw was ....
Lets just pray that it will make him think twice in the future but not to the point that he goes into a shell. Just do what you do but for christ sake always think about where you are at and the score and the down and distance, etc. i am having a tough time giving him the lack of experience pass this time.

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No chance we win 5 games next year unless kirk is gone

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